Love this, I had to read about this when I took a science course and did a paper on WADA and testing. The Clear was THATT drug, but there were also side effects like potential sterilization. It's crazy that a novel PED was created, and it couldn't be detected until someone **handed them** a sample 😂
Its one more frustrating thing about PED use - there is an entire part of the sport where the real enthusiast and practitioner is unable to look under the hood and see how a high performer is getting it done.
We need more details on the Jamaican sprinting team. Nearly everyone has popped but Bolt, coach is seemingly a colleague of Conte, absolute tanks. Did they come on the scene pretty quick, or were they always powerhouses?
Love this kind of content. I’d love some videos, even if not by y’all, that can bring some authority and expertise to the aspects and realities of drug use in sports for plebeian listeners. I’d want to share such with my peer groups because they definitely have an uniformed/outsider perspective
This right here is why I don't go to the olympics. Im a raw natty vegan who just finished power snatching 500lbs for three sets of 5s (light volume day). The only reason I don't go to the olympics is the doping, and the spandex, and the metric system - all of which are for l0sers
I'm italian and I'm totally biased because of that, but I'd like to point out something. When everyone starts talking about italian weightlifter being doped because of their results in the last years, I'd like to compare them to the competition. We are not talking about a 17-18 years old guy suddenly performing a C&J world record, Pizzolato (which I would say is the most successful italian weightlifter at the moment) is 27 years old, arguably in his prime and he had a constant growth in his total throughout his entire career, 50kg totals added in 7-8 years is not something I'd consider mind blowing nor unachievable. That being said, if he'll be tested positive, I'd be the first to say I was wrong, but to me all the odds seems to be against it and I'm almost certain none of our athletes started doping since they were adolescents.
Great video. Doping in Cycling is prevailant as it ever was. I met Floyd Landis who expose Lance Armstrong and he is convinced as well. There is an arms race amongst the cycling teams. About eight or 10 years ago team sky wasn’t a lead. Now jumbo Visma is the leading team in terms of doping as other teams do not know all of the drug. They are taking as they are clearly dominating everyone else in the sport. There is one cyclist named Christian Laporte, who joined their team, and all of a sudden became a much better cyclist. I think other teams are catching up, but they are not as good. Also, there are no test for confusion of one’s own blood transfusion which cyclist take instead of EPO during stage races, the biological passport is known as a joke it does not work as it is easily subverted. There is an expression which is very true only the dopey dopers get caught.
There has been leaps and bound of nutritional development. There has been peculiar development on how breakaways stick, which has a lot to do with the fact that 90gr/hour of carbs isn't considered the hard cap anymore. People consume 120 gr, or even more. When races lasts 5 hours from day to day that alone is 10x times more powerful than any drug in the markets. Jumbo has SHIT TON of money, by far most of all cycling teams, they have biggest and most powerful roster of cyclists. They have top notch nutritional experts, measurements (both body composition and blood) and coaching. Once a guy from poor pro team gets into Jumbo (or UAE or Ineos) he/she is in cyclist's heaven at peak of their athletic career. So if guys like Laporte would suddenly develop there are tons of other reasons outside drug use. (and i'm not excluding drug use) Is there doping? Fuck yeah as there always has been. But all development that has happened as of late is from nutritional, sport science and bike tech side. If anything role of drugs has decreased from Lance's days. Back in those days in training camps people might go for 5 hour rides while fasted and pop sleeping pills to fall asleep back at base. To loose weight. They needed all drugs in the world just to remain functional thru training camp and hit grand tour in excellent shape. And as far as i know people are still going slower up mountain when compared to days of Lance. Overall speeds are faster but that's due to aerodynamics of bikes and cylists, at mountains the true aerobic endurance is tested. So that indicates that things like EPO are not used nearly as much. And cyclists are regularly tested at races.
@@Second247rugs work. Stop pretending they dont. Or diminishing their capacity to increase performance. You are coping my man. There is a reason people are using anything under the heavens to use drugs instead of "optimising" their nutrition etc. The techniques of training for getting a better performance hasnt changed probably over 50 years. You know what did change? The drugs science and technology being used by athletes. Such as bycicle technology, footwear, swimsuit tech, information on how to use specific drugs for your specific goals. It's not how many oranges you need to eat. Also just because one drug has gone out of style does not mean 15 of new drugs havent gone in. And up hill speed is just tactics and strategy of pacing.
@@Second247 one other thing that is not mentioned but I think is relevant is the age of top cyclists now and the programs from which the emerged. Back in the day you joined a team and may not have become the leader of that team till your mid twenties, or later. Now these kids have raced at high levels all their life an come to the peleton with a proven history and all their performance numbers to boot. It means the top cyclists come in younger now, when they are at their physical peak for performance and recovery. And as you alluded to, if you go to a top team and you have a problem with nutrition and recovery, it wilbe detected extremely quickly. Doping still exists, yes. But no doubt it is at a lower and probably safer level.
@@zerog4261 you raise great points. Power meters has to had a big effect on it, they are in your face all the time. That has to effect the way teams see their athletes, it isn't just odd hill or mountain here and there where you actually could compare the guys. You see their numbers all the time. I have no idea how bike fitting has improved over decade, but i suspect that process has improved quite a lot. One thing mentioned is also that you start to have kids who's parents were coached by modern standarts as well so they get good guidance already as a kid. Juan Ayoso from UAE is good example of that, the guy is below 20 years of age, his father was a cyclist and is closely involved in his training and coaching. Then again Remco has ridden bike for 5 years coming from soccer and is one of the best. Dear lord how great potential he still has!
@@Second247 I worked in a gym where they had an athletes program from rowing. They'd bring in school kids and test their numbers and also how tall they and their parents were. It gave them a whole new talent pool to chose from very quickly and imagine quite quickly they cld see Remco had something special. Personally I think Pogacar will be the most dominant cyclist since Merckx. But that's a whole other conversation 😂👍
Victor did NOT create the clear. He likes to take all of the credit, of course; but Patrick Arnold created the clear and was using it with athletes before he ever met Conte.
Also to add - if I recall correctly, doesn’t the anti-doping process of random tests stop once an athlete announces retirement? So they get to retain their medals and the glory etc., and never get caught..? Just going by what the start of the video was hinting at that the PED users become sports pundits..
@@OLV_Music But they can still retroactively test old samples and strip the athlete of their medals if popped. This has been happening a lot in recent years with the guys like Ilyin, Aukhadov, Torokhtiy, Rahimov, etc.
I'd be interested to hear whatever you lads know/think about doping in team sports, especially in the richest leagues like EPL, NBA or NFL. I don't understand how the most valuable athletes in the world wouldn't be using this, especially when injured... Is there very little smoke due to a lack of fire, or can they just afford the best firemen?
A given sports governing body is only going to care about anti-doping enough that the sport doesn't decrease in popularity and therefore revenue. In cycling, for instance, it wasn't always the case that people cared about doping. Historically, cyclists talked openly about doping. But sometime during the 80s the ideals the fans of the sport wanted cycling to reflect changed to include being "clean". Of course, as we all know, doping continued in secret culminating in the Lance scandale and today the doping control in professional cycling is rather "strict". I conjecture that fans of team sports simply don't care or don't think about doping at all. At least from what I hear from fans of team sports it is usually viewed as a sport where succes is the result of team work and sports-specific skills rather than physical abilities. I have suggested to fans of football (real football) that every single football player dopes which is usually met with a mix of disbelief and the argument that doping wouldn't help them anyway. So why would the governing body of a given team sport give a shit about testing for doping effectively when the fans don't even care that much anyway? Just test enough to not seem like they are condoning doping and the just keep it hush. Much more profitable that way. And in that case, given the ridiculous amounts of money in team sport, the risk-reward assessment of doping vs. no doping seems obvious. Because being able to run faster, jumb higher and accelerate actually does matter and it can win you big bucks.
@@Erik-gx3dd I get your point, but I think that the majority of fans would care, given the amount of misunderstanding around the issue - look at the public backlash to Lance Armstrong for example. Like if Man City was found to have given PEDs to loads of its players then I think a large share of other clubs' fans would shout that they should be stripped of their title. And given the amount of damage that could cause I find it surprising that there haven't been any major whistleblowing cases or doping scandals or anything like that, just the odd "took the wrong inhaler", "weight loss pills", "drank a funny tea", excuses. In my opinion, it would make a lot of sense if doping was prevalent in football (I know a lot less about US sports but guess it's the same), but if that's right then I don't understand why nobody has tried to come forward and cash in on it yet
Doping is permitted in the NFL when you are injured. If you test positive on the day of the test (you know when it is coming) then you get banned. You have to Be a real idiot to test positive, given the clearance rates on some drugs is less than 12(!) hours. NBA is the same. Professioanl Soccer I doubt they ever get tested. Most would be on EPO and other endurance drugs
@@aarononon Everybody is on steroids. It's power plays and inner politics that causes someone to get caught. It has nothing to do with cleaning up the sport.
Any advice lads on how to grow chest, increase bench while suffering from pectus excavatum/carinatum. High volume is very difficult to manage fatigue wise and my bench is completely stagnant.
Can you handle more work with dumbbells, dips or pushups? If so, prioritize those movements and bench once a week for familiarity. For adding size but not doing a ton of volume is easier with a training partner because you can force failure safely very easily. Really breaking tissue down is important if you want the most size. this is not concurrent with the best shape for your strength, rather you would prioritise hypertrophy, then strength, rinse and repeat.
@@horizonforevergold I have been trying higher dip volume recently and so far its been working for me, push-ups might be another good idea, it's always been hard for me to dissociate bench in my mind because I'm always chasing a bigger total; thanks for the advice
It's been a while since I read it, but Chambers's book, 'Race Against Me', is worth a read if you're interested in doping in athletics, as is 'Faust's Gold', a book on the East German doping programme and its consequences for the athletes subjected to it.
People don't realise how prevalent doping is in western democracies. The US is arguably the worst or at least yp there with regards to doping. The difference is they have proxies doing it, so the state isn't affiliated, like you'd find in China or Russia.
Also according to Zack absolutely no one is clean, especially if they lift more than him. He said in one of his interviews that he's never trained with anyone who is clean, and he's trained with Americans so..... draw your own conclusions from his comments because I'm not accusing anyone who hasn't failed a test.
@@jarodbarker2375 I doubt that the most heavily medicated nation in the world that takes a pill for literally everything while also holding the most olympic gold medals in the world is clean. And being the biggest financial contributor to these "testing" organisations also helps.
Lets get something straight. Victor Conte did not invent, synthesize "the clear". It was already being produced up until the mid nineties under the name Parabolan and was sold in France. There was also a veterinarian version call finajet or finaplex.The reason why it was undetected is because it wasn't on the ban substance list.Because it had not been used in the athletic community, only the bodybuilding community.
I get what you mean saying it’s only sport, but if you’re dedicating your life to compete in a sport for a living and prize money then gets taken by athletes who are doping, shouldn’t that then be classed as fraud? I personally think the punishment for doping should be much more severe and as you spoke about anti doping agencies should actually try to catch the athletes rather than just pretend. Or doping should just be legal, so it’s an even playing field 🤷🏼♂️
Wasn’t expecting to hear modafinil in this video. 200mg is a fair old dose if not a regular user. He would have looked like he was mildly off his tits pre-race
I used to love that stuff, unfortunately I’m in a country where it’s completely unavailable now. I even used it as a performance enhancer to play cricket for a while- really helped my batting numbers, although it had a small detrimental effect on bowling so I discontinued its use on match days. Still great stuff for productivity, and I found it was amazing to take whilst cutting.
Its just sport. But if you cheat you to win and get rich. So in other words is it not criminality illegally making financial gain whether the domain is sport, banking, medicine etc.
"...athletes taking risks with their health because of drug testing..." Because bodybuilders, who aren't drug tested, live such long, healthy lives? (Just in case anyone hasn't been following the sport: no, they don't.) Truth is, given free rein, athletes will take as much pharmaceutical aid as they need to in order to win over the next person - who is doing likewise. Long term health considerations are either unknown or ignored in the heat of the moment. When you add in the human tendency to believe that they're the careful ones, bad things only happen to those other idiots, I'm pretty sure we can foretell the results without doing the experiment: athletes will not become safer given licence to dope.
You know that bodybuilding did become healthier because more bodybuilders now do proper bloodwork and have less earlier sideeffects and take less shitty things (yes not all because it is expensive and a lot of coaches know nothing about PEDs).
@@chrismanich3063 Certainly we hear a lot more about bloodwork and health impacts nowadays, and I do know some who restrain their use of PEDs accordingly - but they're not winning. Reckon any improvement is due to improved knowledge as time and research goes on, rather than to the lack of drug testing per se. After all, it's not that drug rules were removed and suddenly bodybuilders' health improved, is it? And there's been a steady trickle of deaths of recent years, noticeably more so than in other sports. Without having actual statistics it's hard to tell what is a real effect and what is amplified by social media, but I would certainly hesitate to call it safe.
I think it was Victor Conte who said that people don't want to see unenhanced athletes because it would be boring. Just like all-natural body-building, you just can't compare a truly all-natural body builder to someone using gear. You won't be able to train as hard or as often off gear (if you have never taken it). It does sound as though the use of "gear" has pervaded just about every sport there is. (Kind of makes me giggle a little when the female tennis players complain about "trans-gender" competition when they were loaded on gear themselves (Navratilova?).)
If doping was allowed, fair enough! However, it's not. If you play a game, don't break the rules. It's just a matter of honor, self respect and respect for other athletes. From my perspective, doping is like taking a route shortcut in a marathon. Victory would feel empty.
I fully agree. And the "just let them dope!" crowd needs to understand that it's not a realistic option either. Allowing doping will open the Pandoras box to making sports even more unethical and disturbing that it already is in terms of doping children and so on. You will also have the issue that doping substances is not even legal in many or most countries. So, even if it was allowed in the sport, athletes from many countries would literally be breaking the law in order to stay competitive.
This is interesting, but too much shit to keep up with. What if we just want to be healthier and stronger by working out? I cannot tell which way you are supporting, drug free or not? Just say it and let us sort it out
They dont care. They are nihilistic. Do whatever you want man as long as it doesnt hurt the other guy type of mentality. I mean i understand why they are doing it. I just dont support it. Their whole industry is people doping so if they condem the practice outright they would lose friends or customers at that. So they have to live in this moral limbo. Taking no stance. However by taking no stance they are taking the stance of being ok with drug use and abuse.
If you just want to be healthier, stronger, more attractive, fitter and have mental health benefits it's a no-brainer. You shouldn't even think of using PEDs. The only good reasons to use PEDs are when you're a high-level competitor in a sport where it would be required to be competitive, or when they're required to be used for medical reasons. That's it.
