How the Flight Model was fixed in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 - Interview with Sebastian Wloch 

Thanks for posting this. :) My flight dynamics person is a 737-800/ MAX pilot. He is obsessed with aerodynamics. Needless to say he is going to rigorously test the MAX to see in his opinion how close it is. Currently in MSFS2020 there are some short comings in the FD such as the simulation of slats. I hope they corrected these :)

My big issue with default aircraft is pitch stability. There shouldn't be a 10 degree change in pitch from a 1 milimeter change in yoke position, but every time I try the default aircraft I find it nearly impossible to control. If I step into a payware aircraft it always flies like I expect. For reference, I started flying in the real world in 2005 and never stopped, so I can compare longitudinal stability between sim and the plane. It's off in MSFS default aircraft for some reason, but perhaps that's now changed.

One of my biggest issues with 2020 is the ground handling. The infinite tyre grip that shoots you off the side of the runway when you land with any crab on. Please tell me they’ve at least done something about that.

Did you run it at the lowest resolution? The NY-scene looked absolutely horrendous…just a greyish mass with some autogen popping in and out. And textures being very blurry in the distance. Looks absolutely crap. So I really hope that wasn‘t on medium or high settings 🙏

I have always maintained that a good flight model in sim doesn't always equate to an accurate flight model IRL. There are so many other cues missing, and what he highlighted about weather weight etc. will definitely have an effect on how those numbers translate in sim. I am glad they are moving away from the feedback approach to a more scientific numbers based approach. While there were some things that definitely needed to be addressed, in mfs2020, overall, it was still good enough.

really excited for 2024, thank you for all your great videos. I personally am going to sit back and wait for the dust to settle before jumping in. After years, 2020 is finally in a spot where I can just enjoy it. I will be watching for major bugs, compatibility issues and any developer upgrade charges for add-ons into 2024 before jumping over.

I've flown X-Plane and FS2020. I think that the FS2020 flight model is just fine. I believe that pound for pound FS2024 is going to exceed X-plane. For all of the features it contains and for the graphics, all and all for me FS2024 has a better value. I'm pre-ordering The AVIATOR Edition. Word Up! Everyone else, do what you feel is real.

You really can’t quantitatively answer the question about being better than xplane. There are so many factors.

Compliments to Microsoft for setting this up and inviting everyone! It is really great to see the different interests and viewpoints in the videos I am now watching on RU-vid. Laurie. NZ. 😊

How's the taxiing and inertia, do airliners still turn like mario kart until you need to turn at sharp angles and they turn like a train?

That was a nice MD11 catch XP - great vlog

Was hoping for more of a X-plane approach for MSFS2024’sz flight model. A flight model should not be adapted for any plane to feel more like the real thing.. it should be calculated with the 3D model’s aerodynamics and using math and physics. If an aircraft is not reacting like it should then there is something wrong with the math/physics of the simulator and that should be improved. I believe this is how Austin operates with X-Plane and there is a reason all flight schools now are using X-Plane.

If that's anything to go by, looks like pitch instability resulting in porpoising is still there.

I can tell you by this video you leave in the Broward county and it's nice you've being recognized by MSFS.

The main test is in the crosswind landings right? if you still have to make opposite inputs then its a fail.

The new flight physics sounds great and looking forward to it on my XBox-X! Thanks. Laurie NZ.

Wake me up when MSFS can even match the realistic environment of p3d and activesky. Because right now it doesn't even compare. No weather radar, no icing that could crash you, no severe t-storms to avoid, etc. A sightseeing machine for VFR flight mainly, not for what I am looking for.

those stutters

I hope it just as good as xplane

Hi XP was anything mentioned about the weather radar?

Would it be possible to have the effect of flying through heavy rain cause jet engine power degradation etc...

FFB hardware is becoming a must have

Love seeing your POV of the event! Great work on these videos!

Good interview. Most people already thought the flight model in MSFS was good enough. Great to see that they are improving it. This means that the flight model debate will become even less relevant now. It is going to come down to which is the better overall package. In other words, it's the collective sum of the flight model, graphics, ease of use (e.g flight planner, no ortho install) and hardware performance. MSFS easily wins. With MSFS 2024, there is something for everyone, hardcore simmers or casual gamers. Xplane is not a bad sim tough, I used it for many years so wishing them the best.

It looks crap. Look carefully how slowly things load in. Total stutterfest and about 3 FPS while it loads! They tried to mask it, but it can be seen in the video. Hard pass.

IS the Quest 3 a good fit for this software ?

Is the camera still locked away in a vault somewhere with no key for 3rd party developers?

I would like to know (if they will tell you) what did they do different to the base code? i have heard that the 2024 sim has been optimized for multi core CPU / GPU, thus making you to get more performance and smoother experience, obviously like all new titles, the graphics, lighting, textures will have also gone up in standards so the FPS should be similar, if not better than MSFS 2020. (one would hope) there is still some mystery about the backwards compatibility, if it s a brand new code then i can't see it been able to utilize older add on scenery / aircraft etc. so i wonder what is the MSFS 2020 code, and what code is it for MSFS 2024? what did they change? or will we never know?

will the improved flight model be coming to msfs2020

Great questions. I thought the flight dynamics felt great and improved in the A10!

Remember the 100's of lift data points in MSFS 2020 which came to nothing? Now they claim they have 90%+ accuracy. What does this mean? It means absolutely nothing. I can tell straight away from the clip of the aircraft shown that there is way too much pitch reaction to only small pitch inputs and that tells me they are as far off as they were before. Airliners have very high pitch stability and at low speeds it takes large movements of the yoke to overcome inertia and inherent pitch stability. This clip shows the opposite. Let's hope the 2024 flight models are going to be tweakable by the user.

Well first of all I would like to congratulate you Kirk to have been one of the first to really get a real sneek into what Jurg and the boys are upto for the next MSFS! Yes I believe they have improoved a lot in many areas, but will it be as with the default airliners that they bring to us (via Asabo) "Comes AS IS" and nothing more until the next Simulator from them comes? No even though I still love to fly the default A320 from them (Quick to prepair and get airborn) but way too many important INO buttons on board :( compare to the approach that F.B.W. or PDMG did with their versions. And don't forget these indepentent Modders they don't get a fat pay check from Microsoft every month. But again I was very pleased to see you beeing there where it was all happening Bless bless & sí jú! :)

In excited to see how the pc12 and pc24 handle.

In many ways, it's the same as MSFS2020. The UI is the same or just recoloured, the buildings are as bright as in MSFS2020, the cars have the same movement system, the flare logic is very much similar, the sky is also brighter, the camera movement is the same, the aircraft icon in the map (and the map itself) is the exact same from 2020.

will it have a real weather radar and inbuilt shared cockpit?

Personally, it doesn’t matter to me anymore. I felt FS2020 was good enough; my only frustration was with how hard it is to trim. I think it’s great that we have input and feedback from professional pilots, but I also think that feedback can really make the community toxic. In my view, Flightsim is best for training procedures and for learning. But maybe that’s why us non-pilots get so caught up in the arguing about what’s better? Because we can’t fly the real thing so we need what we have access to to be the “best” so we don’t feel silly? I dunno. Anyway, I’m trying to see if I can get to do the A320 sim at JetBlue university so I guess I’ll actually have something to compare?

If they used a "scientific method" now, I hope the aircrafts can at least behave accurately in crosswind takeoff and landings ! An important reminder: Microsoft was able to make it... in 1998. In 2004 this caractéristic disappeared with FS 2004 for better graphics (not well optimized) but less accuracy. The engine remained the same in P3D as Lockheed took the rights to use the engine then Asobo took the same old engine to build up MSFS2020. A shame. Every other sim are able to do it for decades. It should be a minimum requirement to make a flight sim. I hope this time they made it right. Imagine a car sim with cars unable to drift despite a myriad of revolutionnary fancy features...

Haven't flown MFS since Microsoft dumped MFS I keep thinking about getting back into flightsimming. Only one problem if one wants a halfway decent flying experience the cost of a computer, controls, addons, etc has turned this hobby into a rich man's hobby.

Sweet vid XP

None of the 2024 videos I have seen has yet discussed an improved way of setting up your control peripherals. Will there be profiles for popular systems? I have Thrustmaster Hotas A-10C Warthog controls and still don't have a left throttle mapped. But then, I am not a kid who grew up with computers.

Finally, something truly interesting in MSFS2024 instead of the fluff. Why does MS invite rookies flightsimmers? What is the point of eye candy if it makes the flight sim a stuttering mess?

I love the content I can't wait I planning to Upgrade my Hardware lol lol. Big up and as always I wasn't invited this has to stop man lol

wow one of the best answers for the Flight Model Debate this is great!

Does the weather radar work?

Much smoother on what kind of PCs? Also the Xbox users will be greatly disappointed if they get the black screens from the start . I hope that will not be the case .

Good morning

the guy flying does not have good yoke control/touch

MSFS' came to the market out of nowhere???? 😂 It's literally the longest running game franchise in existence. It's been around forever.

nice

Nice bm

is that the sim lagging?

I don't have the confidence to fly with a B737 Max!

x plane is the king of flight physics in sims. no arguments needed

This individual is entirely out of touch for claiming that the 2020 aircraft are within 80% accuracy. We, the actual pilots at the airlines in Leved D (multimillion-dollar simulators), achieve close to 80% accuracy. It is a completely distorted lie to claim that the MSFS2024 aircraft are between 90 and 97% accurate. Such deceit and lies! They will say anything to sell something. Hopefully, there may be some improvements, but Sebastian Wloch is entirely out of line with his statements.

Nice interview, I just wish the CEO learnt to talk and breath at the same time

Who goes that far for game??? Well that's right, It's a S I M U L A T O R!!!

Hi

Does it have a fly-by view? NO? Can't even get then basics right. Not interested. Pass Every single flight sim out there has a fly-by view, even $5 ones. Asobo? NO, absent LOL

I know this whole thing might be important to y'all, and it's obvious it is advanced stuff. But for a casual like me, I'm just incredibly grateful we get an even better looking sim, with other improvements alongside graphics. I'm so damn hyped

For those saying X-Plane's flight model is better, let me leave this here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DcvR0U1LOmU.htmlsi=ES3-ZFOsevab2lu2

That's funny. 2020 was within 80%? So they finally confessed! 2024 is 105% as good? Talk about a nonsense number. He's blowing as much hot air as their new hotair balloons! When a IRL airframe developer picks up this game to design an actual aircraft (as XP12 is being used to develop ALIA), then there's a conversation. 2024 FM will be a hair better than 2020 but it will never fully catch a well-tuned XP model. Can't argue with the physics.

Noticing lots of stutters. I've seen this in other streamers videos as well. Visually this looks the same as 2020 with the same amount of stutters or even more. Pretty disappointed in that regards

second to be here

Honestly, I don't care at all about aerodynamics or physics, it is enough for me that the simulator runs smoothly and is friendly with medium and low-range PCs and that airplane developers optimize their airplanes better, especially the inibuilds airplanes that consume 50% of my fps

Sounds like a politician. $200 for trees, grass, animals. Like golf clubs, trying to re-invent themselves every few years to generate a new buying splurge.

I guess it is no longer a sarcastic, dumb question to ask this... Will it eventually come to PS5?

When people say xplane flight model is better than MS just really means it’s easier for them to land an aircraft in xplane!!

First to arrive here🫡

I really hate to be that guy but as someone who flys in the sim as well as real life. I don’t get why the entire flight physics are so important 95% of simmers use the thrustmaster tca stick, have no clue about aerodynamics nor ever flew a plane in irl. Msfs is a cool good looking game but if you wanna learn how to fly a real plane you need a lot of money to do it in real life

Looks the same or worse. More french accent Blah blah blah bs.