How THE LAST JEDI Saves The Prequels - Star Wars Defined 

I already love TLJ and you made me love the movie even more with this.

That’s the genius about good writing it doesn’t spell things out. Think about this; George also sold Attack of the clones as a love story. When in reality Attack of the clones is a story about a disturbed kid that has an obsession with a woman from his past. Point 1: everything Anakin does was made fun of as something no one would behave that way. But in reality when you look at peoples behaviors on RU-vid they act pretty much the same. There are also psychological aspects of what future murders go through. Many killers start killing small animals. That’s something he relates to his future wife. They are like animals so I slaughtered them like animals. On top the obsession story. Sure there can be love in his heart but if he didn’t have the force I don’t think he would have ended up with his obsession. The way their love is always described is always linked through his emotions towards her through the force. In essence she would feel emotions he does. He grooms her sort of. Of course there is also the factor of him being good looking and well in the real world we have such individuals like ted bundy that lure women with out the force. Can you imagine him having the force. There is also his status of an accomplished person can’t say that women wouldn’t find that sexy. Remember women don’t date down they date level status or up. In the end though I think he does love her his infatuational love is not healthy. Of course you can’t sell that type of movie to Hollywood you put that as an undertone.

if u wach star wars the clone wars ashoka expeling from order u knew it back then

As you said, about the prequels...great story, poorly executed. The TLJ is this a thousand times over.

@@simplythebest2k DISAGREE

Obi Wan was correct, even though this had the potential to serve the Emperor.

@@connorism69 Obi-Wan was wrong. Vader's death was irrelevant. If anything it removed a powerful threat to Palpatine's control.

Exactly, originally Obi-Wan was wrong. But Jar Jar Abrams in The Rise of Skywalker resurrected the Emperor and had Rey defeat him (again) in order to make *her* the chosen one instead of Anakin, which makes Obi-Wan correct after all.

@@edwardmiessner6502 which practically f* up all of the good stuff in the story, that the jedi was ultimately wrong, they and the sith were practically the same and this was showed in other media, like SW rebels and Clone Wars.

​ Geralt of Trivia TLJ helps here too. In the Kylo/Rey/Snoke throne room scene, Snoke could predict every move they were both going to make, and only lost because he thought he knew what Kylo "killing his true enemy" meant. If not for that one weird trick, Snoke effectively had complete control over Kylo when he was in his vicinity. Palpatine was doing the same thing, sitting comfortably while unarmed because he could see everything they were going to do. If he hadn't foreseen Vader deflecting Luke's saber, he would have killed Vader on the spot for betraying him. In Cloud City, far from the Emperor, Vader and Luke had an opportunity to team up, but once they were back in his sight, it was too late.

Jinn leaves behind slaves!

And it was his death that solidified the beginning of the fall of the Jedi

Qui Gon was the worst. He happily tore Anakin away from his mother because of a blood analysis, told him to suppress his emotions and did nothing to stop the slavery of Shmi, though he was a Jedi with a lot of official and unofficial power and he could have freed the others.

@@spartanparty3894 Agree but I think Lucas meant to redeem him when he dies at the end.

@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 well then he failed.

MetalForTheMasses yeah but symbols are corrupted and forgotten all the time. That’s my problem with TLJ it tried to dispel the typical hero story but it doesn’t work imo.

-Bruce Wayne, 2005

@@fifthlife55 It doesn't - Luke saves everyone at the end.

@@fifthlife55 How does it "dispel" the myth? Luke SAVES everyone at the end. Its about reconstructing the myth - Luke acknowledges failure AND becomes a hero with knowledge

MetalForTheMasses man thank you so much for that you literally made my day!

@Film Toppings Yeah, real talk, I love the prequels and even I had reaction. The prequel hate is so loud, I'm left thinking us prequel lovers are heretics of the fandom.

Id take 1000 generations of peace if it means 1 bad one.

Yeah but he didn’t have to cuz you know....the prequels already did.

Nathan Drake Yeah, but Rey doesn’t know that. He was explaining it to her, since they live in a universe that idolizes the Jedi.

This video clip is just proof positive millennials don't understand Star Wars. Luke was regaling that story to Rey from his own POV, that was framed in fear. Something that he admitted to in Episode IX. As Obi-Wan told Luke many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view, and that what Luke was doing. The scene wasn't to illustrate that the Jedi Order=bad it was to demonstrate that Luke as we once knew him, was gone and a spiritually defeated person, and that after his academy was destroyed he started questioning his own faith, and even disconnected from The Force entirely.

@@tw19771 Bah.

Oh! You are here...

I don’t sense anything

Remember the scene where Mace Windu says the Jedi will have to take over the senate if Palpatine refuses to hand over emergency powers? Makes him seem awfully power hungry. Revenge of the Sith clearly illustrates Palpatine and Mace Windu as two characters who aren't so different from each other.

do you not understand that this was done on purpose?

Jan Wouter *No shit.*

Sam Warren not power hungry. It makes him afraid.

wow nice find

That's pretty heavily covered in the prequels.

@@Elyndyr The entire point of the Prequel Trilogy was to show how the Jedi Council of that time failed the Jedi Order, not that the Jedi Order is bad. The only 2 true Jedi we see in the films are end of RotJ Luke and Qui-Gon.

@@macggnore The way I see it is they,the Ot and the sequels show that Jedi doesn't mean good and sith doesn't mean evil or irredemable.

@@6ve0tx2hbmogcz3 Lucas has made very clear that Jedi are good and Sith are evil. However, being a Sith is redeemable. Lucas' vision for society is for people to make more thoughtful choices and rely less on emotional response. The Prequels show how the Jedi of that time failed a young, emotional boy who has experienced trauma. They taught Anakin to suppress his emotions instead of mastering them as Luke did in RotJ.

Delusional.

exactly, came to the comments to find this comment thank you

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Not everyone has seen it, but most of us have seen the main movies. And "Kyle Katarn", go away and stop using that name. You're not worthy.

tlj was the worst thing that have ever happened to me as a new star war fan, I'm not like the hardcore ones but after tlj, i stopped caring about sw until "The mandalorian" I haven't seen tros...and won't see it until it comes on tv or netflix or dvd...

@@auotukun872 you hate tlj than you probably will like tros

It's treason then..

@@ItsMeBarnaby this is the biggest reason I didn't like TROS

Tlj saved the prequels by being so bad they looked good by comparison

Thats exactly why I rank qui-gon as the 2nd best Jedi, only beneath luke

@@electricpants8194 EU luke, not this trash

Obi Wan el numero uno

@@YOSTINATOR but who trained obi wan

After Rise of Skywalker a lot of people are realizing Last Jedi really wasn't as bad as they thought it was.

On a Last Jedi video nonetheless

That's because he's curating his comment section.

Maybe because TLJ haters have had a year to re-judge the film more thoroughly, while admitting their own biases. And vice versa

@@revimfadli4666 Actually I started out loving the movie but after rejudging the movie I realise the "haters" have some really valid points. There was a lot going well for this movie, but having Luke ready to kill a child and a family member was way too far into making him an anti hero or whatever. The Finn Rose stuff doesn't work. The Poe Leia stuff seemed like a force plot point. The lightspeed suicide mission does kinda recontextualise past movies as stupid for not thinking of it. It really doesn't set up a third movie either. Rian had great ideas but I think he chose the wrong time to insert them into a movie. Although overall it's Disney's fault for not having a planned trilogy anyway.

You're right, but I don't think I'd cheer for Order 66

Same

The Clones Wars always reminds me how good Lucas was at creating stories

Agreed

While the Clone Wars showed the failures of the Jedi, such as with Ashoka, being forced to follow the orders of the Senate at times, not believing Fives about the conspiracy, or even choosing to still trust the Clones after they found out Dooku helped create the Clone Army, it also showed their good, the way they helped, whether it be saving the people of Ryloth from the Separatist, saving the Togura people from the Zygeria Slavers, and so on. The series shows us both the good and the bad of the Jedi and while their own arrogance did lead to their downfall that doesn't change all the good they did in the galaxy, inspiring many people either directly or indirectly from the myths into wanting to do the right thing. As Ezra told Kanen in Star Wars Rebels about what he taught him beyond Lightsaber and Force abilities, "I'm not talking about being a Jedi. I'm talking about being kind and a good person. That is what you taught me." So we can learn a lot of good from the Jedi of the past, but also we can learn to not repeat their mistakes. In fact, Luke kind of did this in the EU when he reformed the Jedi order after episode 6 in the old Legends, where he carried on several of the old Jedi traditions and lessons, but also allowed for changes, like allowing Jedi to get married and form attachments, just so long as they trained to control their emotions so they wouldn't consume them as Anakin's did. In fact, in that regard Oobi-Wan in the Clone Wars is a Jedi like that when Maul took over Mandelor, he went their and defied the Council and Senate's orders to save the women he loved Satine, but he failed and Maul killed her, but when he did, despite being overcome with anger and sorrow, he didn't let it consume him, because he knew if he did Maul would win and he would not be the man Satine fell in love with.

Fans who sit down and analyze deeply to understand what was meant to be told rather than to make their opinion be the only rightful voice in star wars??? Haha, good luck with taking that people and make them be less like that and more like him.... We can only wish

Disney needs more consoomers!

@Robert Ortiz-Wilson I have to disagree. Saying that you don't need TLJ because of the points you've made is only in relation to your perception and understanding of the series. Not everyone that watches these films are the hardcore fan type, or the type to analyse and understand films as much as you might. You have to remember that a franchise as huge as Star Wars has to pander to the casual viewer, and those that might not be so lets say... switched on.

@Joel Stock yeah.... only if you completely forget about the existence of Pink Hair Ladys Arc, Rose, Leia Poppins, Rey aka Mary Sue and 90% of the rest, then you can get to that takeaway....

Stephen Jenkins agreed

What about the other two prequel films though?

They did.

To me, the prequel films, video games, and The Clone Wars show demonstrated to all of us that the Clone Wars era was the best era of the Star Wars universe. The droids, Jedi, Sith, and clone troopers were so interesting. Seeing all the different planets was cool, too. I honestly couldn't care less about Empire vs. Rebels 2.0.

+Geralt of Trivia In the OT, they were making all of it up as they went along, so don't pretend and act like everything was planned out right from the get-go. Star Wars was not supposed to be even a trilogy. It was one film, which was successful, and they later transitioned it into Episodes IV, V, and VI. Mace Windu wanted to kill Palpatine for having control of the courts was to show that the Jedi were hypocrites, much like how they are represented in The Clone Wars show. "instead of just ending RotS with him going "failed, I have" which was too little, too late." That's not what happened. In Revenge of the Sith, Yoda failed to defeat the Emperor on Coruscant, in efforts to prevent the Galactic Empire from taking over before it could begin, but that wasn't the end of the film. He spoke to Obi-Wan about the ability to commune with Jedi force ghosts. It is revealed that Qui-Gon was the first Jedi to find a path to immortality. It's why Obi-Wan was able to become a force ghost in Episode IV. The Clone Wars show fleshed out the prequel characters more than any of Disney's trash could ever hope to attempt to achieve. J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson have no business touching anything that has anything to do with Star Wars ever again. "Yoda's scene in TLJ single-handedly fixes his character by being aware that he changed" Neither Yoda's or Luke's character ever needed fixing. Their arcs were fine the way they were presented in the OT. In TLJ, they made Yoda seem so goofy and stupid around Luke, despite being with him on that island for years. Jedi force ghosts can't magically cast down lightning from the sky, either. The whole scene was so fucking stupid. Yoda's arc was complete in Return of the Jedi. The prequels obviously take place before the original trilogy, which is like 20 years before the Galactic Civil War. The Jedi were presented as being flawed, stagnant, and complacent in the prequels. That was their ultimate downfall, which Palpatine took full advantage of. We didn't need to doubly understand this plot point via Empire vs. Rebels 2.0. It was already shown, rather than told. That's part of the many reasons why TLJ is trash. The fall of the Jedi via Order 66 and the politics in the prequels was brilliant. Flawed? Yes, which is why The Clone Wars show better helps to flesh everything out. The sequels, on the other hand, unravel the OT and almost everything the characters learned and achieved in Episode VI.

@KlingonCaptain Interesting opinion since you implied that you saw the original trilogy first.

Yeah, but Obi-Wan's statement about Vader killing Luke's father was a lie from any point of view.

@@Yibambe. It is though. Vader isn't even physically the same as Anakin. Especially the Vader in the originals. He is full of hate, anger, and resentment from the years in the suit.

“What I told you was true... from a certain point of view.”

Point of view isn’t relevant when the facts show it wasn’t someone’s thoughts letting them to perceive something other than the facts

@@shaneyy__ "Ben what the actual fuck?"

That is not how balance in the force works. It is a common mistake. But the Dark Side in Star Wars is kind of like the cancer cells of the universe. If your health is balanced, does that mean you have an equal amount of cancer cells as white blood cells?

@@babyyoshi3099 The thing about properchies is that they're purposefully vague and can be interpreted in numerous ways. If the prequels start out with thousands of Jedi roaming the galaxy and the Sith thought to be extinct, why does the force need balancing to begin with?

@@ShirDeutch That is fucking brilliant. How has no one ever thought about that before?

@@ShirDeutch Well Darth Maul was in the first movie. So they knew the Sith were still around, but you still make a fair point. That is kind of a plothole. Also, the prophecy was meant to describe when Vader threw Palpatine off and killed him (which is kind of ruined by bring Palpatine back in ROS, but not going into that). The Jedi had no idea it would result in them being disbanded. Also, I don't remember the source, so I can't point you to it. But George explicitly said balance means the destruction of the dark side/sith. I do like your theory though, it just does not really hold up.

Qui-Gon didn't express much of anything openly at all, and that's sort of the problem. We're told he's a rebellious iconoclast. Yet from the actual actions he takes in the movie, other than saying "look, I'll just do it without permission" he's... exactly like every other Jedi.

I've seen many people defending the movie use this same logic

That line just highlights the entire movie's had about character consistency

A good point I missed myself.

Lady Wanderer Consistent with the tone of the movie? With all due respect, doesn’t the movie end with Luke telling Kylo he is wrong for wanting the past to die, and that the Jedi will live on?

TLJ still remains the worst SW movie out of all. All these explanations are made for little kids. Its obvious that the prequels show the jedi failure, the fact that its told in episode VIII doesn't make the movie better. The problem with the prequels is more in details, the fact that Anakin's mother was abandoned for no reason by the Jedi and the republic, its so strange and shows Jedi's being dumb AF. I dont know why Lucas made it look like that. But their blindness is shown quite good, their blind believe in the prophecy brought them to the end, as did their desire for power, they lost their way. So there are some little details remained unexplained and strange for me, but AS A WHOLE BIG story the prequels are great and make a lot of sense. What doesn't make sense are the sequels, that dumb shit doesn't explain anything, this movies just throw shit at you with no explanation WTF happened to the new republic? Where the fuck this 1st order came from? WTF is the new Republic army or smthg Why the "good" guys are still called the resistance while technically the 1st order are the rebels These are just little stupid questions you have to ask yourself while watching the sequels nobody gives you the background (how did it all came to this, what s really going on in the galaxy exc)

They did indeed.

Dylan Reilly They make the prequels, at least the prequel era, so much better. I also love the Genndy Tartakovsky Clone Wars.

TCW helps a lot to make Anakin's breaking away from the Jedi Order appear less sudden by showing in-depth how and why he gets more and more disillusioned with the order.

@@shadowcat1606 if only TLJ Luke had a similar treatment...

@@revimfadli4666 more details would have been nice, sure, but just as Anakin's development it also stood perfectly fine on its own for anyone bothering to think about it

Well said, the "Era" The Prequels are definitely bad movies, and not even Clone Wars can save the movies. If the movie is bad, nothing can save it

@@o...o4144 I love the prequels tbh. They may be cringey but BAD movies? I mean, there are some scenes with bad dialogue but the story, lore and characters that it gave us? "But oh, Annoying Kid 47, Hayden is such a bad actor-" Even if he was we would still have Dooku, Kenobi, Sheev, Qui Qon Jinn, Mace Windu, Bad-ass AND wise Yoda, Grievous and more.

@@mv9370 Yeah the thing about Yoda in the prequels is that he's the complete opposite of wise also Qui Gon isn't that interesting. It's not the first time we get a grey jedi. Like the guy in the video says, the prequels' story is great. There's no doubt on that. It was just executed poorly and that's why a group of fans doesn't like them. Because if Anakin Skywalker's descent into the dark side had been told as well as the OT . The prequels could have been a true masterpiece.

Annoying Kid 47 Enzo is a sequel fan which is why he’s attacking the prequels lol

The Clone Wars are the prequels if you think about it.

That's what i always thought, after seeing how some movies/series take killing or not killing as a very important factor to the character (especially superhero movies) i hate how in star wars movies (as much as i adore them)make killing so simple, Luke kills and has a lot of fun with it, Finn kills storm troopers with no second doubts even tho he was one of them, as much as i liked the idea of a storm trooper turning good and making storm troopers feel human (finally)they still ruin it a bit by slaughtering them with such violence, they enjoy killing for some reason, if Luke kills storm troopers with so much fun than what makes Vader any different? Yes he is his father but if he didn't know thay he would've tried to kill him. I would've liked at least one scene where star wars characters feel sad for their enemies or feel bad for killing them I love star wars but no movie or franchise is perfect

@@Whateveridksomething they even say it in Rick and morty: "lets make it like Star wars where its More fun killing people without feeling sorry"

@@motor4X4kombat XD i love that I'm almost done with season 2, this show is outstanding they take big risks with the comedy

@LyfiePlus the problem Is that the big epics like dune, game of thrones, hell even avatar and Lord of the rings (despite this one beeing a human vs orcs story) theres always an exploration on human morality making the characters More humans despite then living in a fantasy world. An Star wars most of the Time reject that to give us a Lot of good vs evil action scenes. Even if they explore a little bit of that, like in the clone wars, they still blew up with the main characters hipocresy. My favorite Is that scene from CW when barris says that the jedi only believe in violence to solve everything follow by anakin with two lightsabers ready to kick her ass... Oh and i forgot to mention this bitch at that point blow up an entire building and blamed Ashoka. Yeah questioning morality my ass you are still making excuse for More good vs evil action scene, and i like clone wars but come one thats pretty stupid.

😂 my how time has recontextualized things. I remember how for years Star Wars fans complained about how awful the prequels were...and now they are romanticized, deified...not unlike the Jedi 😉

TROS does not make the Jedi of old (as an organization) be right. Rey will give them a new beginning.

But one of the arcs in TLJ is that the Jedi, mainly just Luke and Yoda, realize how they have messed up in the past, and that allows Rey to redeem them in RoS. So it still works for the most part.

Stephen Jenkins The whole reason they keep him off screen for almost all of the first movie is because the moment he stepped into the movie, it would become all about him. The Sequel Trilogy was always going to have the original cast as supporting players, instead of leads.

jakeyboy851 No, I think it’s just that Lucas was never much good at dialogue that sounded like real people were saying it. When Hayden’s doing a scene where he is quiet, he demonstrates good skill.

I mean yeah, 2 thirds of that movie still suck but Luke's character and the ideas surrounding him have really started to grow on me

Joseph Najarian Mark Luke's story in Last Jedi was beautiful.

@@daninbox Mark Hamill disagrees.

Joseph Najarian i agree too. This was well made! I hated last jedi too stupidly because I didn’t get that epic fight with Luke. But I’m not much of a big Star Wars fan when I saw it last jedi with my siblings in theaters. Now I get why people think the last Jedi is good.

@@furious_malic7808 He addressed ONE scene. And then interpreted the fight by it. Why is his opinion on Luke more relevant than Mark Hamills? Who still hates this character? I don't believe either of you actually disliked the Last Jedi. And you are some weak willed persons if this little video changed your opinion on the whole film. He addressed less than a full minute of Luke's dialogue and actions in the movie. And The Rise of Skywalker retconned most of what Rian did with Luke because most fans don't agree.

But the issue is, Luke already learned that lesson. Houston even points out, explicitly, that Luke went against the advice of Yoda and Ben in Episode 6, that it worked, and that they gave their implied approval of his decisions. Why would he then immediately pick up on teaching people the same way the old Jedi Order did? Luke's entire character is centered on compassion and self-sacrifice. He's the guy who would run unprepared into an obvious trap for his friends. He wouldn't abandon them to do fuck-all on some remote planet even if he felt a bit down about finding out about the truth of the Jedi. If he left because of his own failures as a teacher than it seems to me he would attempt to bring them back to the light, and most likely die trying. That's who Luke was. An explicit acknowledgement of the Jedi's flaws was, evidently, necessary but Rian Johnson did it wrong. The sequels, all of them, were just entirely wrong.

​@@the_boar_king8990 My guess is that he only learned how flawed the Jedi way was by teaching it himself. At first, he had to take inspiration from the old Jedi order because that's the only one he knew about and at the end of RotJ he still idolized the Jedi. But in the wake of his failure with Ben he clearly came to the realization that the old Jedi ways are deeply flawed. And he hid away on the a remote island because he was deeply ashamed for the way he acted that night, that's always how I saw it. I've said it before but I really appreciate how RJ humanized Luke in TLJ. And besides, it was JJ who put Luke on that island. So if you're gonna blame anyone, blame him.

@@Denjeanification I absolutely blame JJ. The Force Awakens, in my opinion, is the worst of the three because it simultaneously demolishes the legacy of the OT and squanders all of its potential. It destroys the New Republic, effectively reinstates the empire and more or less returns all of the OT main cast to where they were before A New Hope, just old. TFA also discards the chance to see a rebellion turned government, which would have a whole slew of problems of its own. It made seeing a modern Jedi Order very unlikely and, destroyed any chance of us seeing the old gang together one last time. Fuck TFA. I am so pissed that so many fans just give it a free pass to shit on TLJ or TROS. But that's not what I was talking about. I'm saying that even if Luke got discouraged, even if he felt the need to go into self imposed exile, he is not at his core a person who would do nothing. Not when his friends and family were in danger, which he knew about because he effectively caused it. TLJ even sort of acknowledges this as he presents himself as the hero, Luke Skywalker, one final time. He's a person. He makes mistakes. But he also tries to fix them. Even if its dumb, even if it'll probably back fire, he tries to do something. I cannot accept Rian's interpretation of Luke.

@@the_boar_king8990 completely agree. Left the theater pissed while everyone else stood up and clapped. The way a great story was turned to crap, with thunderous applause.

Very true! But Obi Wan wanted Vader dead since he considered him to be very very dangerous.

But obi wan says it. No? Because luke says "I can't kill my father" and obi responds "than the emperor has already won"

Mxracer6y yes. Obi wan wants him defeated and dead. Yoda doesn’t advocate death; just confrontation

Also technically Luke did kill Vader and brought back Anakin

Obi-Wan tried to save Anakin and in Revenge of the Sith even told Yoda he didn't want to face him. His mercy and reluctance to kill Anakin then lead to years of the galaxy being terrorised by Darth Vader. Hence he was trying to get Luke to avoid the same mistake.

"The Clone Wars have always been, in and of themselves, from their very inception, the revenge of the Sith. They were irresistible bait. They took place in remote locations, on planets that belonged, primarily, to "somebody else." They were fought by expendable proxies. And they were constructed as a win-win situation. The Clone Wars were the perfect Jedi trap. By fighting at all, the Jedi lost."

@@nelisezpasce Even though they fell for the trap, it doesn't make them any less heroic...

@kevin willems By the sith Lord emperor Palatine. Not the Jedi!

@kevin willems How could you make that assumption? The first episode was called the Phantom Menace because the sith were hiding in the shadows like "phantoms" (ghosts) since no one knew who was pulling the strings. Your point of that they "could have known" is simply absurd given the fact that the whole premise of the first movie was that they didn't know! The thing about slavery still being legal was also brought up in the first place by Padme, one of the movies biggest supporters of the republic. The Jedi were against slavery, even freeing a slave boy. The only reason slavery was legal on Anakin's planet was that it was far away from the republic's control. Notice how when Watto was offered republic credits by Qui-Gon Jinn for a ship he said, "those are no good out here." Dude I think you need to rewatch the first few movies and then tell me what you think.

@@johnmontello9464 Yes the premise is that the jedi didn't know, but that doesn't mean that (in universe) they shouldn't have known or suspected anything about the "phantom menace" that was (quite literally) right next to them. This is very, very explicitely shown in the scene at the end where Yoda and Mace talk to eachother during Qui-Gon's funeral and the camera pans over to Palpatine. Furthermore, as you said, the thing about slavery being illegal was brought up by PADME, not by the jedi. The jedi accept the fact that slavery exists outside of the Republic and therefore isn't under their control while Padme is clearly shaken by it. The jedi took Anakin because they thought he was exceptionally gifted in the force and therefore interesting to them, not because they wanted to save a kid from slavery. The Republic itself isn't what's being portrayed as "bad", it's the jedi who are portrayed as selfish and arrogant. Those are two distinct groups.

@Marcus well JJ did not agree apparently. Probably the best movie out of the 3, but undoing every strong claim Johnson made in ep8

I'd disagree, Rey while struggling to control herself ends up showing Ben compassion by selflessly healing him. Finn is shown to be driven by empathy throughout the film and hinted at as at least slightly force sensitive, those are presented as tied together. Leia sacrifices herself for her son. Ben selflessly sacrifices himself to save Rey, completing the circle of Anakin being unable to save Padme because he was motivated by selfish possessive love rather than selfless sacrifice. Luke didn't really contradict anything he learns in 8. Rey even refuses to strike down Palpatine in hate or anger, and when she did defeat him it's out of self sacrifice. She never even hits him, she (and ask if the Jedi) basically just reflect all of his (and all of the Sith's) hate back into him with compassion as symbolized by the lightsabers of the 2 most compassionate skywalkers (that trained and supported her even though she was from that dark lineage as Luke says). She ends up dying (nearly) because of her selfless sacrifice. The movie actually very cleverly uses the whole force heal thing to signify this selfless sacrifice theme. Poe wants to shoot the snake but Rey chooses to give some of herself instead to heal it, BB-8 even gives a little of his energy to charge D-0 after seeing what Rey did, Leia sacrifices herself for Ben, they reinforce that Han gave his life for Ben, Rey gives some of herself for Ben, and Ben gives his life for Rey. If anything TRoS doubles down on the "save what we love" rather than "fight what we hate" compassion and selflessness themes. Which imo ties directly into what he discussed.

@Marcus Kylo has no army? He literally just became the Supreme Leader of the First Order in TLJ. The fleet that got wrecked was not the entire force of the First Order.

​@@hargibson18 Couldn't have said it any better myself.

@@hargibson18 Hi Harrison. My "undoing the vision of Luke" was meant in the sense of what he thought of the Jedi order before and the Force as equilibrium. I found very interesting that Johnson put this EU concept (I would say the most famous character were Revan and Traya, to think of the Force this way), and followed the logical order explained in the video. IMHO, ep9 "kinda" undoes this Luke to represent an ep5 Kenobi version of him because there is no follow up, just an "All-Jedi vs All-Sith" which is motivated by the fact that Palpatine is the Great Evil of the Saga, not something else. I agree that the Force Heal can be seen in this way, for Anakin flaws exc, but I don't think compassion is a new concept. Luke himself refused to strike down his father for compassion when seeing his artifical arm he realized they were the same. Compassion just lost vs the fear of the dark side that devoured the old Jedis and Luke between ep6 and ep7, because he was taught this way, and I would have loved a development of this new concept, a new vision of the Jedi order based on a balance instead of just "pure light side". In this way I think that ep9 has not a lot of courage and plays safe, but still, my opinion.

I wish this comment made sense

@@supermysticsonic2 Coming from the Sonictard incel.

@ Shut the fuck up loser.

Or maybe it was the plot holes, the OJ chase in space, the entire casino mission or the overzealous attempt to be woke. Or maybe it was the overzealous attempt to “subvert expectations.”

@@Wicked_Trojan i dont like most of the casino that much myself but one story line doesnt ruin a movie. other than that there are no plot holes. the film just doesnt spell everything out for you and wants you to think. every subversion makes sense and has a reason for the story. therefore you should think about your expectations instead of critiquing a film for not following a nonesensical fanfiction of yours, as seen with tros.

Michael Dromes You're not the only one. Force Awakens feels like it satisfied the short term where as Last Jedi was about the long game. Over the years more have grown to not just like Last Jedi, but to truly love it. Where as Force Awakens has remained as a 6-7 for most. A standard redo of New Hope.

I personally see no reason to jump from one side to the other. There are things about The Last Jedi that I can appreciate, but it doesn't change the fact that there are things about it that I will never see eye-to-eye with. I can appreciate the meta approach to Star Wars that TLJ brought to the table. And I agree with all points made about the Jedi in that movie. The theme of failure was just fine as well. But Luke's portrayal...they just went too far. Failing as a Jedi? Thats cool, it reinforces what he learned about his predecessors. Failing as a teacher? Also cool. He has more to learn. Re-connecting with his dark instincts, and nearly killing his nephew? Throwing his father's lightsaber off a cliff? Overkill. Not nearly enough visual exposition to be justified in any way. No matter what anyone says(and I've watched dozens of pro TLJ videos), my mind cannot be budged on this matter.

I always love these posts. Because they are so obviously fake that I laugh my ass off at them. No, TLJ is only worse since it was released. Do you know why? Because it is an illogical mess that leaves the finale with nothing to work with.

So it’s Johnson’s fault that J.J while competent has no imagination at all?

@@Tyrantofthewind Relax, mate. It's just an opinion.

@Guest Writer I know that this movie is full of flaws, but we should also remember that things that it did well.

I can just imagine how pissed Luke willbe at Mace Windu! That baldy was one messed up guy!

@@geetadhumane5793 "What was the problem with these guys?! They suspected Palpatine was up to some shit but still did what he wanted at every turn! These guys must have been blind, incompetent, or both! Maybe the Jedi shouldn't be in charge of the force if they're this stupid."

@@geetadhumane5793 Why did you bring up Mace Windu, of all the Jedi? What is it with you Star Wars fans who tend to scapegoat Mace for every bad decision that the Jedi made, including Obi-Wan and Yoda?

Luke tried to murder his nephew in his sleep, and when Kylo killed all his students, he ran away and hid like a coward. That's on top of TFA resetting all the heroes progress back to zero.

@@ManOfStamp38 he didn't try he CONSIDERED

@@ManOfStamp38 yoda also hid like a cowawrd

@@basedchimera5859 Considered it, left his room, walked all the way to Ben's room, turn on the lightsaber, and raised. Sounds like more than just consideration.

@@basedchimera5859 It was dumb there too. Luke created a monster and let it run loose on the galaxy while he wallowed in self pity.

Save the horses, abandon the children.

Jon Stamper gamble with a child’s life, leave his mother to slavery

@@MichaelSmith-rn6pq Sucks there too. Doesn't save TLJ, especially when you realize those horses were probably recovered in less than a week.

"While there are flaws, as there are with all movies". I've addressed that no movies are 'perfect' and so pointing out one character choice does not disprove everything I've said. I believe your opinions on these movies can be valid but comments such as these do not make me doubt mine at all. I will be happy to discuss though as J love movies and looking into various opinions. Apologies this is a bit of a long comment. Save the horses and abandon the children. I agree that it seems quite the opposite of noble to do that. But consider this. That escape riding the animals was dangerous and it seemed likely that if children were to also attempt to ride them to safety, they would fall off and be trampled to death. Not all kids, but some and this may have led to the decision to keep them from the dangerous escape that Finn and Rose were struggling to pull off without the kids tagging along. Saving the creatures had a lower chance of danger as the animals had full control of themselves and were the cause of the havoc. Some may have been attacked and hurt or killed but they were stronger and less likely to survive being left in captivity plus served the purpose of assisting the escape. A morally grey area where I believe the choice was justified although some may disagree. I believe they had the intent of disrupting the corrupt system by ending the war and returning to save the kids once the business that was funding the city (war) was gone. Gamble with a child's life and leave his mother to slavery. I have to assume this is TPM although my comment was primarily focused on TLJ. My thoughts on that are that Qui-Gon put value on saving a young, innocent life if he could only save one as opposed to both. Imagine if he took a mother out of slavery and left the kid instead. He could have freed both by force but Qui-Gon seemed more violent as a last resort and opted to leave and return later. He knew Anakin was strong with the force and had raced before and that the force would guide him. Whether he won or not, he had faith Anakin was strong enough to avoid death or even heavy injury. Not to mention, the Jedi are separated from love at a very young age and he probably could not empathise too much with losing a mother as he would have been too young when removed from his to remember. While I'm sure he wanted to save both, and if I remember correctly he tried to win both from the gamble but could not mind trick or convince, I do believe he decided to take the victory of freeing Anakin as the best non-violent outcome.

@@ManOfStamp38 Oh yeah, let's save the children and let them to live in the jungle with the horses. There's no way anything bad would happen that way! Even better: why don't we put all of the children in our ship and drag them to a suicidal mission on a warzone? Yeah, we are being hunted across the galaxy, but we are definitely the best people to take care of all those children right now!

Lucas admits that - scenes rhyme with one another there's even a theory about it - the ring theory ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BaC198j9pIw.html

That was the line which snapped Anakin righta away

@PinkGuy VEVO Two of the sequels are some of the best movies in the franchise. Although this latest one sounds like a bad story told well.

@PinkGuy VEVO Same with the originals too

@@genyakozlov1316 how could you say something so controversial yet so brave

I actually meant to say "two of the SEQUELS" are some of the best movies in the franchise. Although I'll admit that other people who aren't simply reactionaries don't like The Force Awakens as much as I do. Soulless rehash as it is, it succeeds at what Phantom Menace failed at, and while it's messy, it feels like what a Star Wars first entry should be.

@@genyakozlov1316 That's too real xD

Every Star Wars movie is flawed. It’s not a good ideology to walk into videos like these with “this dude’s a shill” in the back of your head. Try to keep an open mind.

Jasper to be fair there are so many actual shills out there it’s hard not to have that thought at the back of your head. A lot of videos defending the film ignore its flaws and treat it as if it’s as good/better than OT and Prequels when it’s simply not. This video was interesting tho

At the end of the day though, our interpretation of Star Wars is different among each other. You are free to like what you want, no one should every sway your decision. Learning to respect but also gain insight from others perspectives (but that's never gonna happen in a ganbase like this). 🥺 I understand there's objective flaws but at this point can anyone define what's subjective and objectively wrong and right? Does anyone know what Star Wars should be? 😂 🤷🏽‍♂️

@@nickmcmurray3130 Just because someone really likes something doesn't mean they're blind to its flaws. Part of the reason why fans so passionately defended this movie is because it was panned upon release. At that time, the fans, and even cast and crew were endlessly harassed over this movie in an extremely harsh and unfair manner. *Of course* people who liked TLJ have a stronger need to defend why they liked it, and diving more into its flaws won't help their case. They get so much shit for it as is, myself included.

@@nickmcmurray3130 "as if it’s as good/better than OT and Prequels when it's simply not" - an opinion, not fact.

This is so true, from every point of view

Gabriel P. Not mine, you gotta remember not everyone reads the expanded stuff, and quite frankly the sequels arent nearly as bad as you “hardcore” star wars fans. You guys are just mean.

@@donfnm6559 that's for sure, but the point is that there are certain rules in star wars that you can't just ignore, like tlj did. Or that force healing thing in an otherwise very good star wars film, tros. I'm just thinking, why do you scrap the eu to then make a cheap copy of it. They took everything from us away, from the dark empire series to the entire old Republic and now, with tros, starting to bring it back, because there own stuff didn't work out as good. That's what's really annoying.

@@donfnm6559 and sorry, but every true fan has read at least parts of the star wars lore, or played the video games -> the expanded universe because that is what made star wars

@@donfnm6559 Even if i ignore the EU... the sequels are still shit and contradict Ep. I-VI, Lucas vision.

He is wrong. I don't know to what extent Ryan Johnson was a fan or how knowledgeable he was of the previous star wars films or lore, but his take on Luke Skywalker left a huge plot hole on his decision for exile. The way I see it, the main agenda of the sequels were to have kennedy, abrams, and johnson to go on a business venture to get rid of the old and start a fresh franchise with new iconic characters to fuel the star wars money pit further. The Last Jedi might have justified your apparent perception the Jedi brought in the prequels and original trilogy, but it didn't save the prequels or bring closure to the them. You mention how apparently Yoda and Obi were training and manipulating Luke to kill and end Vader's grasp on galaxy. Yes, Mace Windu did almost give into the idea of killing Palpatine without a trial, but they were at war and he was a ranked soldier in the field of battle. But Luke represented Hope and rebirth of the old ways of the Jedi. Humble, forgiving, and emphatic Jedi. I believe Yoda and Obi wanted Luke to find his own way, to lurk, and get lost in the gray area of choices of life and to find his way in the balancing of the force. This film forgot that it's about bringing balance between good and evil. Not totally eliminate evil. Luke and his friends brought balance in ROTJ. But, Luke, Rey, Yoda and Kylo in the last Jedi destroyed any type of connection they as Jedi might have had with the Jedi's of the prequels and left an unnecessary plot hole to a Jedi's sudden change of perception to discipline or ancient Jedi philosophy. Yes the Jedi were a failure, and right and wrong is not always one sided. Their is a lot of gray area between good and evil, but in a civilization and governmental policies there can only be two. Yes or no, right and wrong, with me or against me, and for or against. Choice ultimate is very binary. Just like Luke's gaze of the binary star system. Ultimately his only choices were to stay home or go on a poetically justified adventure. Even the sith are only 2. To explain, a gray area lies between yes and no or right or wrong, the gray area is a road or path of obstacles, scheming, a matter of sub choices, or influence that will lead you to one outcome, yes or no, evil or good. All the jedi's choices and schemes led them to their down fall. All of the scheming and dark power of the emperor led the sith to their downfall. Star wars isn't necessarily about how much who's right or wrong, but man did Johnson really did abuse that concept in the Last Jedi. He showed how much every character was wrong about their path and very little on who was right. If at the end good was to always prevail then.... Why Johnson, abrams, and kennedy??? Why?? Why did you guys do Luke and Kylo sooooo wrong. Practically, Luke's legacy now is that he was a grumpy old cynical realist. Kylo was crying lil female dog. Rey an OP Karen. And the emperor was a necromancer zombie from Skyrim. Therefore, the Last Jedi did't save the prequels, but in a way made them worse, because now old and new fans have to realize that it took the Jedi along time to learn from their mistakes...but why?? Why did it take Luke 60+ years to learn or even Yoda, who's more than 900 yrs? The Last Jedi doesn't make any sense as much it does giving your money away for MEDIOCRE.

@@bobby7777 You are failing to realize that the Jedi were never about balancing light and dark, they were all about repressing any darkness or emotions from within themselves in order to maintain control and order. They would take children from a young age so that they were easier to brainwash to believe such nonsense, this is the real reason Anakin was "too old" and failed miserably... same thing for Luke who also was too old. In a way Luke followed his father's path of seeing the Jedi for what they truly are and then instead of choosing to rule the galaxy he chose exile. It makes perfect sense, and the only reason it wouldn't make sense is if you were to only accept the original trilogy as canon, but even then you would have to ignore the weaknesses of Obi-Wan and Yoda. Yoda taught some good teaching, like trying to avoid your fears so as to not go to the dark side of the force. However instead of trying to avoid fear there needs to be a support system to overcome your fears to achieve true balance. Unfortunately I do not believe he hit that lesson very well with simply saying "Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose." That is not a way to achieve balance in the force, and unfortunately this was the Jedi way... and it became their downfall.

@Kevin Cobb dude Canto bite is a bad part of the movie it's message is not hard to understand it is not subtle it is in your face the rest of the movie is awesome but don't defend that it's just a mediocre side plot

@Kevin Cobb we must start to talk about.... We must MUST. What the hell are we talking about here the Canto bite is hated because of the bad pacing the idiotic things that happen during it and the fact that it has a message about animal cruelty how does that have to do anything with the message of the movie about failure it doesn't further more don't act like it's the first time we are introduced to slaves the God DAMN chosen one was a slave

@@ariklion37 idiot things like...?

I've heard that's basically what The Clone Wars cartoon is. Other people using the ideas of the prequels better.

But they would’ve been right...he was an evil sith who was behind the whole fucking war and even when they didn’t know he was a sith they still knew something was up. And hell yeah they were arrogant and all that but Luke saying it isn’t brilliant because the prequels already showed it remember?????????

Time to move those CGI capitals from Disney remakes to Prequels remakes, I guess?

The Clone Wars tv show did this already. Also the Knight fo the Old Republic especially. There's literally the two games and a comic series devoted to how out of you he he Jedi are, even way back then. Doesn't matter if they're canon or not, they already explored this topic very well.

The dialogue is fine! Once you understand what ego really is, (its not just being cocky), then you realize just how much ego comes into play when characters talk with eachother.

From my point of view the MEMES saved the prequels

Asaptaco imo the clone wars makes the era better but the prequels worse, so many interesting stories to tell and characters we love yet they’re all completely absent from the movies we got

I agree clone wars is the best and does more than last jedi

Clone Wars > Rebels > Resistance Needless to say, Disney needs to sell Star Wars to someone or a company that actually cares about the canon and fandom. Kathleen Kennedy should have been fired years ago, especially after TLJ hit theaters.

@@lukepoe1140 except that last jedi was one of the best starwars movies

Don't let Thor Skywalker know LOL

Yeah, Yoda did use the word "confront" for what Luke has to do with Vader, not "destroy" or "kill", I think Yoda might have been a little ambiguous on how it was going to work out, but was trying to trust in the Force (and in Luke's unindoctrinated point of view) more like Qui Gon would have. It was Obi-wan who responded to Luke's "can't kill my father" with a defeatist shrug, but he was probably dealing with the guilt of not having the stomach to kill Anakin on Mustifar (if we read the scene retroactively post-prequels :)).

No it seemed like most of the people who agreed with this video paid absolutely no attention to the prequels or just didn’t watch them and said they did.

Jedi: guardians of peace and justice for over 1000 generations and try to stop the sith at every turn and were only defeated by unforeseen betrayal. Sith: Blow up planets. Jake Skywalker: Fuck the jedi.

@Anson Hartzler I don't remember the jedi blowing up planets.

They were the good guys. But as they say, the way to hell is paved with good intentions.

No goddamn it, the Jedi fucked up really bad once in 20,000 years so let them stay dead and let the First Order destroy multiple planets and kill your best friend and family and shit 😂

Same. It’s totally that defeatist “only a Sith deals in absolutes” talk that he always advises against.

I don't think Obi is being overdramatic. 20 years before he couldn't kill his friend, his brother. As a result of that failure he created something even worse. His previous mistakes cloud his judgment and he doesn't want Luke to same the mistakes. He won't say that out loud because he has ptsd and is very ashamed of himself.

Yes!

Yep. Even as a fan of the first two movies in this trilogy, I can say that the last one definitely wasn't the best way to end it. Oh well. I still think this is a good Star Wars DUOLOGY (that's a word, right?) and I can only hope Disney's still going to have Rian Johnson do the next trilogy, in spite of the "fans" who resent him. Maybe then we'll have a trilogy that's one man's vision.

@@kylemorello4787 completely agree. I love 2/3 of the Sequel Trilogy and I wish TROS was a lot better but at least we got 2 good ones. That's better than the Prequels where we got one average one, one bad one and one good one but I'd say there both pretty even even if I lean towards the Sequels more

@@thatplaystationgamer3262 I like you. You're fair.

No

@Robert Ortiz-Wilson Believe I understand what you mean. I simply meant that I thought this person did a good job presenting himself on his thoughts...I didn't mean based on content.

@Robert Ortiz-Wilson Someone obviously didn't get the movie LOL

@Robert Ortiz-Wilson Yeah not. The film has to be easily digestable and universal for all audiences. It can't go deep diving into scrutinized details; it leaves lot of things open for intepretation. Amiguity in Star Wars... Very rare indeed. The movie was fine in my opinion.

Honestly, as fun as it to read into Last Jedi super deeply and make it brilliant. I am pretty sure the creators were just incompetent. There are just way to many dumb behind the scenes decisions for me to not question the few genius things the movie did.

@@babyyoshi3099 Yeah and honestly, the core fan base was already familiar with these concepts and how the old Jedi order was an arrogant shit show. We have seen these things already and even better executed.

@@therac197 Yeah, that too. It kind of pisses me off that so many people give credit to the sequels for that when the prequels did it first.

Rian Johnson is not incompetent. Look at his previous movies. The dude knows his shit. Some other people ... might be a little more incompetent ... ;)

How exactly did it do that?? Rey learns the lessons Luke learned in 8 when she strikes down Kylo in anger and feels the wrongness of it then saves him through compassion instead, then decides to not be defined by her birth (completing her arc from 8) then Ben gives her the strength to resist fear, connect to the past Jedi, and then all the Jedi get to join together, correct their failures, and wipe out the Sith once and for all. Then we get a Palpatine who was saved by her bonds, trained by the Skywalker that saved Vader by his bonds, directly correcting the greatest failure of the Jedi, which was eschewing and outlawing all bonds. And SHE, Luke’s and Leia’s student, is re-founding the Jedi order with that new perspective, after having someone literally lay down their life for her. Like her or not she’s an excellent embodiment of Luke’s ideology by the end of TROS. Meanwhile the jedi as a whole get to overcome their greatest failure, including Yoda, Mace, Obi-Wan, and others (this time at Anakin’s side ironically), just as the characters, Ben, Luke, Leia, and even Han (post-mortem) get to overcome _their_ greatest failure: Kylo Ren.

The failures of JJ don't erase the failure of Rian. The Rise of Skywalker is desperate because the The Last Jedi was designed to be a dead end. -It killed every single plot point set-up in TFA without putting everything in its place. -It repeated the same story archs from TFA for Finn and Kylo Ren with no character development. It made Rey even more unbelievable overpowered with not character development. -It dedicated no screen time to the main trio, guaranting that their rapport would have to be impied to have developed off screen in Ep.9. -It killed Snoke without putting another vilian in his place, guaranting there would not be an overarching antagonist in the sequels. - *More importantly, it killed Luke Skywalker who was supposed to be the connecting tissue of the entire saga.* Hence, Disney is trying comically hard to convince everyone that Ep.9 concludes the Skywalker Saga when, Luke, the reason we care about the Skywalker lineage, has passed away. All of this bad decisions were made by Rian Johnson in TLJ cascade to Ep.9. And, by the way, there was people with good foresight while he was doing this, Colin Trevorrow, Ep.9's original director, the rumors said, begged Rian Johnson not to kill Luke and Snoke in the TLJ. JJ built a house on sand with TFA, Rian Johnson burnt it down with TLJ. Whatever TROS is the roubles that were left standing after TLJ.

@@mrofftopic2802 Dude, no one is going to read that

@@stagelinedpro Not my problem.

@@mrofftopic2802 I did

@@warology8984 ; )

Also kills the sith (but not really...)

I mean, at the end of the prequels there were two sith and two jedi. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be. ;)

@@rdnick114 Technically there were actually more like two dozen still around at that point, but the Jedi Order was definitely destroyed, and so far it appears it will remain that way.

@@trainknut Then Darth Vader creates the inquisitors and eventually brings balance.

He brought balance in episode 6 and fulfilled his destiny so delete this comment

Dave S-C indeed and check out my last commentary that I posted 23h ago😉😉😉

The reason why milions of people needed TLJ to contextualize the prequels is because the prequels were badly executed.

@@LorenzoSartor "millions of people" i've never met anyone who needed them contextualized besides the guy who made this video and you. i've never heard the argument before or since. TLJ doesn't contextualize anything, it simply repeats something all of us already knew.

Timothy Murray It does well something that in the Star Wars saga was done badly.

@@LorenzoSartor it really doesn't, though. i staked my claim in my first comment: if you think TLJ contextualized the prequels (in an line of dialogue, no less) than you never really understood the prequels. so, you can disagree with me about whether or not the prequels were well executed (you're entitled to that opinion). but TLJ doesn't do anything well and I had no problem as a 9 year old contextualizing the prequels. *shrug*