How the Show Ruined Criston Cole As A Character in House of the Dragon

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@Emanuel-oo6mc Год назад

Probably my biggest problem with the show was how they strayed from Criston in the books.

@carastone3473 Год назад

Criston is not really different in F&B than he is on HOTD. He turns on Rhaenyra and suddenly sides with Alicent in both (F&B just doesn't narrow down what happened between them). He kills Lord Beesbury in both (the manner of death has multiple possible versions in F&B, but he killed him, regardless). He kills Laenor's paramour Joffrey in both (again the manner of death differs, but he killed him, regardless). You have to remember that the book is an UNRELIABLE "historical account" told from different people's "memories" and, in many cases, their versions are said to be unreliable, possibly skewed to make one side or the other look better or to make themselves look better. The book therefore is NOT canon. The show, on the other hand, is us watching the events unfold firsthand. If either is canon, it's the show.

@andyrihn1 Год назад

You also to remember that F&B is canonically inaccurate. George himself said the show is how things actually happened

@felipes2494 Год назад

@@andyrihn1that's a lie, George Martin and Ryan Condal did a recent interview where they both said "the Book is the true story, and the Show is a different version where Ryan and the other writers are going to show their version of the Book"

@lucasferreira7420 Год назад

@@carastone3473you kidding? Ryan Condal himself has already said that the show is his and the writers' version of how the story is, and the book is written by George Martin himself, we don't even need to argue about which of the two is Canon, right lol the book is the original material and written by the author GRRM who also said in an interview that the book and the series are two different versions of the same story, that is the Book is his version, and the series is a story based on his book where Ryan condal will show his version, the show is NOT canon

@mesa577 Год назад

@@carastone3473its still is not as good, he is painted as somewhat grey in the books so is daemon. The way they do things is important to show more depth in their character, the show should have kept more material from the books to make these characters better or more complex. Imo the whole show is canon book is not is kinda dumb grrm said they are both cannon.

@owenleal Год назад

The fact that Criston murdered a dude in the middle of a wedding in front of everyone like the fucking Homelander was probably the worst part.

@revanius2213 Год назад

I know that was so annoying, that and Rhea's murder. It's like they decided to just artificially up the drama with blatant murders

@arnigeir1597 11 месяцев назад

@@revanius2213 Wasn't Rhea's death narrated from a 3rd party, like most of the book, so it involved allot of uncertainty?

@revanius2213 11 месяцев назад

@@arnigeir1597 Daemon was in the Stepstones again when she died and she died over a period of several days where she was awake for at least part of it and finally died when she got up and collapsed again. It was only then that Daemon arrived in the Vale.

@arnigeir1597 11 месяцев назад

@@revanius2213 well, at least the show gave us the divorce rock meme.

@pjishomo 11 месяцев назад

That's because Christon is a whore. He says it himself in the show so it must be true.

@lydia8526 Год назад

Also him committing murder at the wedding was really uncalled for. The actual matter happens in a tourney in the books and things like that simply happen tourneys yknow instead of at an actual wedding

@emikusz Год назад

Yes, it was really weird in the series. Like, if someone, especially a Kingsguard, just randomly murders a man (who was a knight of a prominent family) and assaults the new Prince Consort, on said Consort's and Heir's wedding... He should have been executed, or the very least sent to the Wall.

@GartenchaosGemuese Год назад

So true!

@carastone3473 Год назад

@@emikusz - guess that doesn't happen when you have Queen Alicent in your corner...

@emikusz Год назад

@@carastone3473 I wish we didn't get that time jump right after, then at least we could have seen how did she managed to save him. It's still would be a wtf moment, but better than what we have now.

@jrb2333 Год назад

@@emikuszthere would have been no saving him. It was a marriage of the only 2 houses of dragon riders... the 2 most powerful in the realm. Best case (and it is slim) for him is the wall. Probably torture then death is MUCH more likely.

@pbh9195 Год назад

Sir Criston really stopped being a character in the 2nd half of the season

@OoOMonkeyCoFreakOoO Год назад

I dunno. I think by episode two he stopped

@carastone3473 Год назад

He's still there. How do you figure he stopped being a character.

@pg1448 Год назад

Sure if generic love interest for the princess is your definition of "character" Cole only really started being semi interesting mid season, before he was literally just a hot bodyguard

@paawan3764 Год назад

Bro they turned him into an incel whining about how the princess took advantage of him😭

@Vffjjtt Год назад

What about his rape ?

@postpunk6947 Год назад

Worst part of the season? Criston killing Joffrey Lonmouth without hard consequences.

@bruhhh._.150 Год назад

That Rhaenys scene is definitely worst part of the show by a country mile.

@postpunk6947 Год назад

@@bruhhh._.150 yeah right. I forget. But if we talk about Criston's worst moments...

@TheStraightestWhitest Год назад

@@bruhhh._.150The cringe I felt was otherworldly.

@pepeedge5601 10 месяцев назад

@@bruhhh._.150which Rhaenys scene?

@postpunk6947 10 месяцев назад

@@pepeedge5601 Enter the Dragon... from the basement... through the floor... with the girlboss Rhaenys on his back... everything at once + a lot of smallfolks killed in the process.

@CaptainPikeachu Год назад

My biggest issue with the show is just how many of the characters on the side of the Greens were turned from characters making deliberate choices with conviction, to just sort of oops their way into a conflict. Instead of Cole being a guy with nerve and steel making decisions of his own, they just turned it into an accident. It really ruins the character’s agency. I much prefer villainous character with will and conviction than a somewhat morally grey character who’s just having a lot of oopsies. Give me a strong willed character any day.

@ericlimon9718 Год назад

Seriously I hate that they made many character “miss understood” and “unfortunate circumstances “

@felipevega484 Год назад

Yeah it botched the conflict, arguably the greens are just as evil as the Lannister side while less interesting and charismatic. The show also failed in my opinion to make the blacks and less sympathetic and interesting as the starks

@kimiko6732 Год назад

This book is all rumored but show is canon

@sugarpearl9781 Год назад

@@kimiko6732The show is not canon, GRRM himself said as much. Yes, some of the things in the book were sensationalized by the Maesters but there were facts (like Alicent’s age when she married Viserys) that the show just completely disregarded

@adib3011 Год назад

exactly, even alicent, it's made to seem like she was all nice and wanting unity and other crap when she was as much an instigator as cole was.

@MortenLongbottom Год назад

Christian Cole killing someone in a wedding, when everyone were watching, is the thing that has less coherence in the show... Don't know what happened there, everybody realized what happened however he is still there.

@rickyrobby8133 9 месяцев назад

It actually makes more sense thematically. The ENTIRE POINT is to show how the truth depends on who has authority. Alicent says it was fine so it was fine. It is a direct foreshadowing of what the entire show is about. It’s amazing how critical people manage to be while being completely oblivious to the point being made.

@Sb22-ru2tk 9 месяцев назад

@@rickyrobby8133ikr. I mean, asoiaf doesn't really portray hands or kings having absolute power. But they are easily prone to being assassinated, executed, usurped, overthrown, etc. Absolute power when it comes to these authoritarian figures, are as absolute until the plot demands it otherwise. Ned shouldn't have gotten fucked over at ALL. The hand has the SECOND most power, behind the king himself, Ned wields a ton of influence after the rebellion, and everyone was just watching cersie commit treason, lol. The king's words mean jack shit until it matters. Characters that shouldn't have that much power, have way too much power over those who SHOULD. Feudalism in Westeros, along with their monarchial system of governance, is fucked to the max. A crown does make you the most powerful person, but not one king has ever decided to use his absolute authority to take from the other houses, or even reduce their power. Since they're LITERALLY THE KING. So all this is probably why people don't like criston in the show, they forgot what absolute power means.

@hornstein12 8 месяцев назад

@@rickyrobby8133 No it doenst make any sense. The Velaryons are the biggest house beneath the Throne. Their son and heir does marry. They are very very very important in this moment and could just say: Kill this dude or we will go home unmarried. Viserys wouldnt listen to his *****, he would please his allys just like he allways does. Criston Cole should be dead or should run for his life.

@mesa577 7 месяцев назад

@@rickyrobby8133the way you go about making a point in a story has to make sense else you are just telling a terribly written story

@rickyrobby8133 7 месяцев назад

@@mesa577 I just explained that not only does it make sense it’s an EXCELLENT example of visual story telling.

@AlexS-oj8qf Год назад

These Targaryens are meant to be Brats, Rhaenyra and Aegon are both entitled Brats fighting over their toys. The fact that they make Rhaenyra “the good one” defeats the purpose of Dance. It is a warning against self-righteousness, and should stay that way. Rhaenyra being the more level headed compared to Daemon is crazy. Yes Daemon is violent, but not randomly so. His actions are calculated and done for specific reasons, he’s also the voice of reason that keep Rhaenyra in check. For Aegon, it was Cole since Alicent’s too focused on the safety of her children (probably due to cole’s influence planting the Paranoia in her mind). These Targaryens should be Marionette being played by others, another warning to Targaryens not to trusting other houses with their affairs.

@guisas123 Год назад

Rhaenyra IS the good one. Argue with George. He is the one that writes her to make stupid mistakes to get killed instead of a simple siege to King's Landing.

@postpunk6947 Год назад

She's good one... now. I hope they make them (Rhaenyra and Aegon) grey with a lot of dark side as it should be. Still, law is on her side.

@AlexS-oj8qf Год назад

@@guisas123 No, she is a spoiled Brat raised to be materialistic pick me up girl by her father. She is literally hot-headed and stubborn in the book, demanding the heads of her siblings for usurping the throne. Neither of them are good or evel, just people forced to do things due to circumstances, and vultures taking advantage of the uncertainty. Chaos is a ladder, and we have House Velaryon and House High Tower on either side trying to climb up to the station they never meant to be in, in process damaging House Targaryen.

@TJ-fe7rr Год назад

@@AlexS-oj8qf"demanding the heads of her siblings for usurping the throne" Who said she wanted that to happen?

@pg1448 Год назад

@@postpunk6947That must be a very funny and arbitrary definition of law. The law is on her side about as much as it was on the side of Cersei and Joffrey

@WiiMan1133 Год назад

As the showrunners will say to justify every bad decision they’ve made: “history is unreliable” So we need to feel sorry for Alicent like we did for Cersei even though theyre very unlike their book counterparts, we need to feel bad for Aemond bc he didn’t mean to kill his nephew when he flew after him on a dragon, and we need to overlook Rhaenys killing innocent people for no reason

@jedimasters1462 Год назад

It isn't the showrunners saying that the book is unreliable. It's the actual author of the book himself. I think we can trust him on his own story.

@mesa577 Год назад

@@jedimasters1462the writers are picking their favorites though, for example they cut out the whole tourney wedding of rheanera we can't really say everything is done under the gaze of grrm and how he really intended the story to be shown in actuality. The show has budget limits and writers have biases, and thats why grrm said there are TWO cannons not just one they have simplified the characters for convinience. (There are multiple accounts of the wedding tourney of rheanera and leanor so IT should have happened but it didn't)

@jedimasters1462 Год назад

@jerichopagtama8711 They are still getting all thr approvals from GRR Martin, whom does understand budget restrictions and how hard filming certain things are. To be honest, my only real problem with the show was that they made the Velaryons black without explaining how the Targaryens, whom do have Velaryon blood, are not black.

@felipevega484 Год назад

@@jedimasters1462 As far as I know all writers (but tolerate their works being adapted even Alan Murr who is famous for criticising his adaptations and refuses to profit from them. The Witcher's writer was also supportive of the series even though is much worse than the books and it's authors make fun of them, writers are just glad to see their work adapted and don't want to blow bridges which is totally valid.

@sanjaykarthicks1226 Год назад

We didn't see any dead body there So it's not confirmed if Rhaenys killed anyone there Many were hurt though

@Scammander6897 Год назад

Once he killed Beesbury I hated him with a bitterness

@KingSlayer_. Год назад

That death was Final Destination levels of stupid and ridiculous. I think Criston just got the short end of the stick as far as writing goes. Blame the writers not the character.

@lucasbrant9856 Год назад

@@KingSlayer_.it was only topped by aemond accidentally killing Jayce. It is so dumb that all these major event happen by accident. Allicent only starts the war because she misuderstands Viserys Cole kills beesbury by accident Aemond kills Jayce by accident Its so unbelievably stupid and unnecessary, let people be evil on purpose.

@myasuniverse1327 Год назад

@@lucasbrant9856 Aemond killed Luce and I think the changes make it more interesting. It shows that they don't have true control over the dragons. As for viserys and alicent, because Alicent also sat at the deathbed of King Jaehaerys and just like Viserys he mistakes her for his daughter. The other one doesn't really matter because even if was an accident Cole doesn't care that he killed him. Though it is brilliant writing for the other two.

@adib3011 Год назад

@@lucasbrant9856accidentally? oh noo he chased luc with vhagar intending to injure in some way. and "injury" in the air on dragons equals death.

@KingSlayer_. Год назад

@adib3011 It was by accident, he's 17 and was just being a stupid teenager. Aemond didn't kill Jace, Vhagar was attacked by Vermax and so she killed him and by proxy killed Jace. Aemond tales some of the blame but really the show runners are just trying to make the main characters more sympathetic and likeable to the book counter parts. They just didn't quite do that with Criston.

@ivanbluecool Год назад

With how good daemon and viserys were. It's sad how much season 1 warped the story to try and make alicent more important when they ping pong her story

@chrisrubin6445 Год назад

Alicent is so completely irrelevant in the show compared to the books. She does nothing, makes no choices, has no agency, and has no personality. In the book she was an epic, legendary villian we all loved to hate.

@onigiri2032 Год назад

@@chrisrubin6445that could also be because the book is finished and the show isn't lmao

@chrisrubin6445 Год назад

@@onigiri2032 I mean all of her major character moments have already happened in the show, from here Alicent's story is mostly over, besides slowly going mad as everyone she ever loved died brutal deaths.

@thalmoragent9344 Год назад

@@chrisrubin6445 Show Alicent has made choices. Even small things like getting Otto kicked from court by counciling Viserys, keeping Criston at her side, speaking to Aegon about his future if Rhaenyra wins, etc Also, the stereotypical "evil stepmother" trope that happens in the books is... well, to each their own

@chrisrubin6445 Год назад

@@thalmoragent9344 They took out ALL of her largest moments of agency from the book. They removed her being a cunning political operator, who plans coups years in advance, and changed her into a passive victim. I prefer female characters who have plans and goals to ones who just sit back and get abused. Also why book Sansa is better.

@033MMAFiend Год назад

I’m glad the title of your video is how the show ruined Cole’s character because that is exactly what they did in my opinion

@leonbriski5929 Год назад

Yes, that is why thats the title

@033MMAFiend Год назад

@@leonbriski5929 touché 😂😂

@broderickfall 11 месяцев назад

GRRM was a producer on the show and had executive power. this was his project. dunno what people mean by ruined lol

@Chadius_Thundercock 11 месяцев назад

@@broderickfall book cole write good. Show cole write bad. Understand what they mean by “ruined” now?

@dragansnyder2786 11 дней назад

@@Chadius_Thundercockhonestly this is the most confusing debate we could have, because the person who wrote the books, is working on the show, and he's trying to help provide a more concrete narrative than the book does (the people who treat the book as scripture in this case kind of frustrate me, you get pissed when someone's character is ruined when you don't really know what their character was, because we don't know for certain any of the complexities in the book we are only told accounts that people think happened, or that would make people who experience them actually look good, they don't have concrete characterizations to ruin, by contrast a lot of the things that Kristen does in the books might not have actually happened that way, he might not have blatantly crowned aegon, and for people that say he wouldn't give us the wrong information, he wrote this book with the express purpose of showing that writers of history can lie, so it's possible that cole played an important role in the coup that made aegon King, which he did in the show, he essentially scared everyone at the small council into submission by killing Limon beesbury and secured the Prince when the coup was underway, though he did have help in that but that's how it goes)

@Meme-pv7tn Год назад

They ruined him and aegon , i really liked the book version more

@hi-ls6lt Год назад

Aegon was rumoured to be a rapist in the book too

@Meme-pv7tn Год назад

@@hi-ls6lt still has his moments in the book

@blackbird45 Год назад

@@hi-ls6ltd yet the scene was created at the last moment even the actor of Aegon did not agree. There were also rumors that Daemon likes to take maiden virginity and yet they didn't show it on the show.

@daughterofpalestine7130 10 месяцев назад

@@hi-ls6lt By the most untrustworthy source.

@jimmyjamaculusjam5087 15 дней назад

@@daughterofpalestine7130Ok? Aegon was also rumored to be a rapist and have relations with a 12 year old from mushroom someone who is undeniably a untrustworthy source which is the whole point of the dance and that’s that no one is actually good because no one really agrees on what happened which I hate because it gives the writers of the show the ability to show their biases more (which is evident in the show for tb)

@Earlybird86 Год назад

Cole was right. Daemon would have killed all of the green children

@kimberlyplatt2382 10 месяцев назад

Daemon would have killed all of the greens without a second thought.

@alexmartin3143 10 месяцев назад

Not a chance… They were Targs… It’s Otto he hated.. Edit: His brother’s children

@amorojaz27 6 месяцев назад

@@alexmartin3143 He cares more about them being Otto's grandchildren, than his kin.

@armurph1102 11 месяцев назад

The biggest problem that the showrunners is creating is their efforts to paint one side as being "good guys" and the other side as being "bad guys" but GRRM didn't write about either side that way. The showrunners have changed many aspects of both sides in order to make the Red's appear to be completely innocent and any acts of violence they commit on the Green's is solely a response to being attacked by them. The truth of the matter, according to GRRM's own words from the books, is Rhaenyra is not the innocent victim the show is portraying her to be.

@dragansnyder2786 11 дней назад

This argument is strange, because barely anything has changed in Rhaenyras character, in the book she is actually seen as a very likeable generally nice human being until the war starts, and it all just goes downhill when she officially takes the throne ( also saying that the blacks are completely innocent is strange in and of itself, Damon is a man who murdered his previous wife, while courting the affections of a minor who also happened to be his niece, he started a war for his own power, and then murdered the messenger that came to tell him his brother was going to help with that war, the only innocent ones in this conflict are technically the children, and even Jace cut out his half-brother's eye, Rainier will get worse, she's already starting to get worse cuz she kind of used her son's death as a pretext to try and murder aemond (though I'm not trying to downplay her grief in that) she has now unwittingly had a child murdered, so you can still blame her for that, because she gave Damon too much room to operate, she didn't say, "either you kill Damon or you don't kill anyone, he is my Target and I will have your head if you so much as harm a hair on anyone else's head"I would say she's going to descend further into grief-stricken madness and paranoia, I believe it will all come together in the end where you'll realize even in the house of the dragon they're truly are no good people)

@MegaEmperorking 10 дней назад

@@dragansnyder2786 Nah this a lie, in fire & blood all we can really get from rhaenyra is she can be like cersei. The only saving grace for her is her three strong boys are good people.

@duhman3649 Год назад

Even the nerfed Criston Cole we saw in the show was still a badass. Disappointing that they ignored most of Cole’s redeeming qualities but at least we got to see him defeat Daemon, crown Aegon, kinda act like a father figure to Aemond and turn a man’s face into ground beef with his bare fist

@m.a928 Год назад

Call me crazy but rhaenyra’s bastard on the throne would’ve started a war.

@Dinglehoppers779 18 дней назад

How? And how does starting a war by usurping help in anyway?

@daynejoseph2366 12 дней назад

@@Dinglehoppers779bastards in this world have no claim to land or title. There are literally thousands of people who have no claim to family inheritance because of this law. Holding the common man to a standard you don’t uphold is a recipe for disaster. Giving your bastards the keys to the monarchy would be a HUGE mistake. Or do you not remember the literal chaos that occurred in this exact world when rumor spread that Joffrey was illegitimate?

@addisonstanifer Год назад

"Did you know Christian Cole was actually an interesting character..." 💀💀💀

@grandmabecky7984 Год назад

More like annoying

@rias.gremoryyy Год назад

To be fair he's cool in the show as well imo.. he's consistent.. but of course Daemon and Rhaenyra fanboys choose to be blind

@merykhan97 Год назад

@@rias.gremoryyy people are entitled to their opinions . They refuse to see the good side of him just like you refuse to see the bad

@rias.gremoryyy Год назад

@@merykhan97 oh I see the bad side of him, but it's overshadowed by the fact that he's consistent to his beliefs, which are good.. Rhaenyra and Daemon on the other hand are just like Jaime and Cersei in the beginning of GoT.. and people are fanboying over them just because they're badass😭😂.. Rhaenyra committed treason, punishable by death, Daemon would've been executed ages ago if the king actually did his job, Vyseris is probably one of the most incompetent kings in the history of Westeros

@user-sp4ck5lz6g Год назад

@@rias.gremoryyy I literally can't understand why would anyone be fanboying over Daemon or Rhaenyra. Like no clue, to the point that I never experienced this level of dumbfoundness when it comes to the some movie

@kimberlyplatt2382 Год назад

Cole wasn't lying the minute his wife became Queen. Daemon would have went to work and killed all of them.

@sanjaykarthicks1226 Год назад

Daemon doesn't look like a kinslayer He only killed Jaehaerys after Luke was killed He's not a good person but he too restrains himself from kinslaying unnecessarily

@jonsouth1545 Год назад

@@sanjaykarthicks1226 Throughout history it was common when for a new King or Queen to exterminate any potential rival including their own family as they would always be seen as a potential figurehead and rallying point for any opposition. It's simply too dangerous to keep them alive.

@sanjaykarthicks1226 Год назад

@@jonsouth1545 yeah but I'm talking about Daemon and Rhaenyra particularly. Rhaenyra would definitely not do that and Daemon wouldn't do that as it would kickstart a war.

@aditisk99 Год назад

@@sanjaykarthicks1226 Who's Jaehaerys?

@sanjaykarthicks1226 Год назад

@@aditisk99 helaena and Aegon's son

@LH74 18 дней назад

The people in charge of the show have no idea how to make a good story. The details they left out are incredible.

@jordanpdo1837 Год назад

Actually no one remembers how beesbury died. Also it was everyone’s doing in making aegon king. Cristin just helped him get ready for it. A kings guard doesn’t have more political power than the hightowers lol

@lizethvillavicencio8344 Год назад

HotD is a great show but a terrible adaptation and I will die on this hill.

@TheQueen-sw4th Год назад

That's how GOT started

@TJ-fe7rr Год назад

Why is it a terrible adaptation?

@lizethvillavicencio8344 Год назад

@@TJ-fe7rr a lot of the nuance and/or agency was taken from a lot of character. Rhaenyra was just as vicious as any Targaryen even before she lost her sons. She was the one who ordered the tongues be removed of those who questioned her sons' legitimacy, not her father or Daemon. The legitimacy of her children is debated in the ASoIaF world, because Rhaenyra has dark haired relatives on her Arryn side and Rhaenys Targaryen has black hair because of her Baratheon mother. Plus, Aemma's hair color was never confirmed in the books. Rhaenyra doesn't want to be queen to better the realm, she wants to be queen because she has been told her entire life that it is her birth right and she's entitled to it. When Viserys died, Alicent imprisoned the servant who told her to make sure no one found out and proceeded to(along with Criston Cole) stage a coup against Rhaenyra. Alicent was the one leading the small council and was very much aware of lords desires to put Aegon on the throne, but the show has reduced her to a perpetual victim with no agency. Criston is called the Kingmaker in the books because he's the one who convinced Aegon to take the throne, claiming that if he didn't, he and his full siblings would be put to the sword. Criston had just as much of a part in making Aegon a crowned king, but the show made it to where it was just Otto and Alicent. He even says something along the lines of, "Seven save us if we seat a bastard on the Iron Throne," referring to Jacaerys. Aegon wasn't a r*pist and was only rumored to have bastards. His entire character was about a person who genuinely didn't want power, getting it, and that power corrupting them. Aegon's actor said that he wanted the fans to be split 50/50 between the Greens and the Blacks, but that is impossible with how terrible the show has made Aegon. And that's my main problem with HotD. It has elevated the Blacks onto a pedestal while making the Greens as unsympathetic as possible and taking away from the actual debates people could've had about who was more deserving of the Iron Throne or who was better suited. They've turned Rhaenyra into a girlboss while making Aegon literal scum.

@TJ-fe7rr Год назад

@@lizethvillavicencio8344 The reason you believe Rhaenyra to be vicious, is because in the book Fire & Blood different people's opinions said she was. The book isn't like ASOIAF, where we see different characters pov. It's told from a unaccountable Maester's perspective. GRRM has spoken about how history can be warped. The tv show is meant to be the true events of what happened.

@TheStraightestWhitest Год назад

@@TJ-fe7rrStop spreading this lie. GRRM has said the show isn't canon. He actually said it's the writers' take on it. So if anything, it's vastly more unreliable than the perspective of in-universe characters. You're really trying to claim that the actual events taking place on Aegon's coronation isn't him flying Sunfyre, but Rhaenys popping in on her dragon, killing a few hundred innocents through collateral damage, looking all girlboss at Otto, Alicent and Aegon who just stand there crying like bitches, and then flying off having done nothing but be a girlboss and kill scores of innocents?

@MonachusRex Год назад

the show tries really hard to project girl power,women under patriarchy etc etc.

@Lauren_567 Год назад

Listen, as a woman myself, I have to agree. I HATE how they declawed alicent and Rhaenerya. In the books Alicent was actually very politically savy and was the one to plot to put Aegon on the throne.

@MonachusRex Год назад

@@Lauren_567 what they don't understand is that the correct message to give was just like men ,women are equally capable of cunning political moves,selfish acts and cruelty. That was the point. Not to show them as victims but to show them as equal

@nostalgicbliss5547 11 месяцев назад

Ruined the show. They didn't even do it with nuance lol. Nothing wrong with addressing the effects of patriarchy, internalized misogyny and feudalistic monarchy, but it was so cheaply done on the show.

@megteg 11 месяцев назад

Yeeeees seriously it’s so annoying. It’s written so obviously I was cringeing the whole time.

@rosita3528 11 месяцев назад

Every show we have seen for decades has had the man be the hero or the villian. But now because the woman is the hero or the villian you have a problem with it? Sounds like you arent happy that men arent the centre of attention

@yggdrasil2 Год назад

I'm not entirely unsympathetic to the showrunners because a) the book is very difficult to adapt and b) there are many many retcons that changes how we view the characters, especially in the case of Criston.

@senoritasulod4829 Год назад

He had one job, put the crown on Aegon, and they didn't even let him do that

@ivagavrilova2726 Год назад

@@senoritasulod4829But he did?? If you rewatch Aegon's coronation, you can see Criston putting the conqeror's crown on his head. They made sure to keep that at least.

@yggdrasil2 Год назад

@@senoritasulod4829 Yeah I went back and rewatch the scene, HE DID DO THAT! Really odd thing to criticize lol

@itsme1261 10 месяцев назад

I think a lot of people forget that fire and blood is also propaganda and absolutely nothing told to us in the books should be taken as fact simply that that’s how the people who wrote it later on viewed things from their point of view peoples own lives and opinions bleed their way into the history of Westeros all the time and that in my opinion is the genius of George

@jasonfield7825 9 дней назад

Love your post. I keep seeing videos like this and I know people are just trying to make content. because this has been discussed ad nauseum.

@faisal5367 Год назад

make no mistake, people. it was deliberately done by the showrunners, I'm serious. they put some woke elements into the show, and for gaining more profit because it's business. Just look at rhaenyra and daemon, they make them like they're the sole main characters of the show, as if rhaenyra is some slay yes queen strong woman character, they're projecting real life political ideas into the show.

@michakoniecpolski5677 Год назад

I mean, all martin work is woke as hell, he for sure dont mind making this even more woke

@faisal5367 Год назад

@@michakoniecpolski5677 no its not, just because there are gays and lesbian characters in there doesnt make it woke. GRRM have nothing to do with wokeness.

@bruhhh._.150 Год назад

He's also the finest warrior in the dance but in the show Daemon and Aemond are apparently better than him.

@mazfarnadeem1846 Месяц назад

Just cos Rhaenyra said no to him 😂

@samhinnant4416 Год назад

Still love his character in the show, it sucks when u get your heart broken.

@foggy_sheep Год назад

true!! and not even just his heart bro, like he broke his oath to sleep with her and when he asked her to run away with him because his honor as a kingsguard was ruined, she brushed him off like he was nothing to her. i'm pretty sure that would make anyone bitter

@djacks9093 Год назад

He was a simp

@poggerz6567 Год назад

@@foggy_sheep she doesn't owe him anything lol 😂 he choose to have s*x with her and when she doesn't want to give up the crown for him, he complained like a little btch. Fck crispin cole

@grandmabecky7984 Год назад

Brother if you were rhaenrya would you choose some guy over your throne, family and dragon?

@TheStraightestWhitest Год назад

@@grandmabecky7984Possibly, but more importantly, I'd ask myself that question before abusing my power over him and raping him.

@ragnarokivae6136 Год назад

Totally agree with this. I think in the first 5 episodes he was finde, just the scene with joffrey was stupid. But in the last episodes he is just an boring character with 0 personality and just allicents bloodhound

@sergiomendoza4850 Год назад

Criston cole in the books is probably one of the main if not the main contributor to the war even starting. As the video above explains he crowns aegon, tells him shit that’s not true and just generally manipulated a lot of people within the greens inner circle which is actually kinda upsetting that they changed that for Larys who doesn’t have nearly as big a role in the book. It kinda works for the show but I don’t see why Larys couldn’t be the weirdo he’s been, while playing his own game behind everyone’s backs, especially Criston who like I said should be one of the main catalysts for the war starting on the greens side.

@marikookie9004 Год назад

Basically, Crispin is even more of a douche in the books, but that's still more interesting than show Crispin.

@SoilToSoul Год назад

Hills Alive Channel does a really good video on Cole's character. Actually, she has a lot of good takes. Worth checking her out.

@Wordlifematt 9 месяцев назад

Lannister twins… since no one pointed it out

@AegonTargaryenthesecond3096 22 дня назад

The fact that he offered to one V three not for his life but his men’s lives and they shot him under a peace banner infuriated me

@rosscardenas6636 Месяц назад

he was also very ambitious and had a lot of fight scenes cut out. and in the book he dominated daemon, he didn't hit him in the back. the show makes the blacks better than what they were in the book and the greens worse than they were in the book.

@horseeater4917 Месяц назад

It feels like any historical movie about ancient historical figures that were described as awful people while the "righteous" ones as the good ones

@gaghhuh2943 Месяц назад

Show always need to have the 'good guy bad guy' dynamic. Even tho GRRM never writes good guy bad guy.

@amcc666 Год назад

I actually like Criston in the show he’s way more complex than the book version

@-_-ligma Год назад

in the show he’s literally just an incel simp

@Kaboomboo Год назад

And all of them died anyway when they did steal the throne. Were they just made of stupid thinking they'd get away with it and Rhaenyra wouldn't retaliate?

@BlackMarvel25 2 месяца назад

I mean him killing Laenors bf was what made me hate him the most. Totally uncalled for.

@reynical3083 Год назад

whats the song in the backround

@NHBoudy Год назад

I hated Criston in the Fire and Blood, but he was so charismatic. The show destroyed him, he's so annoying.

@linkahedron6220 Год назад

Things wrong with this: 1) his kingmaker speech was removed, but his sentiment of calling Rhaenyra a whore was kept entirely 2) in fire and blood, the death of Lord Beesbury has multiple explanations. The mentioned death is only one of them. 3) while yes, his importance in Aegon's ascension is reduced in the show, we also get to see a far more interesting and flawed character than the hints of a character we get in the book. I believe Criston's show counterpart is far, far more interesting, as he's portrayed as more or less of an insecure thug who uses knighthood and chivalry as an excuse to behave in the most depraved ways.

@Marc_Araujo 11 месяцев назад

It really makes no sense as to why they made these changes when they were, for the most part, following Fire and Blood rather faithfully.

@kevinmyers440 Год назад

Criston butthurt cole.

@mesa577 Год назад

Show criston doesn't make sense he murders some one IN a wedding and gets away with it Infront of everyone And the king lol

@EMP698 8 дней назад

All that X, Gun Club, Blasters, Flesh Eaters scene / Slash Records thing that happened at the same time as Los Lobos and Paisley Underground deserves a great book or doc...and Mazzy's own video...

@FrozenCappucino День назад

Actually, in the books Grand Maester Orwyle, who was present during the events claimed that Ser Otto had Lord Beesbury arrested and confined to the black cells where he died of a chill. The claim that Ser Criston slit his throat was made by Septon Eustance who was not at the meeting.

@TheSeriesLover444 Год назад

can you please put the subtitles a bit up 🙏

@DeadReaperr Год назад

They seem good to me, is it hard to see the subtitles on ur device?

@KingSlayer_. Год назад

They seem just fine to me

@LastSon 12 дней назад

They grounded him in the show and made him more relatable. A lover scorned, toxic ex that is truly just trying to get back at the woman who hurt him. Just so happems that he is a knight, the hand, etc... hell even him banging Alicent is him trying to get her out his mind and heart.

@ashleypeadon8009 Год назад

Ngl this might be going against the grain in this thread but I prefer the show's approach of making the characters more human and complex as opposed to portraying them as purely evil (which was taken with characters like Criston Cole and Aemond). You can see why they are the way the are based on their interactions with others characters in KL.

@etherean369 Год назад

He was still a cry baby...I don't see how it makes him more interesting. Actually most of the people in this show were just very...immature. From Viserys to Rhaenyra and esp Cole. They wouldn't last long either way.

@TheAbominableDrFaustus 11 дней назад

It’s crazy that Hughie’s last words to Robin were “Billy Joel” and his father’s last words to him were “Tom Hanks”.

@justinnyugen7015 5 дней назад

If it were dungeons and dragons, TV Cole is that one normally meek guy whose default mode in-game is “I cave the NPC’s head in” or “I draw my sword…menacingly!”

@jovemokuryu3048 Год назад

Thank you! Criston was the character that I was looking forward to the most. A character calm, calculating, and in complete control. But what we got was a temperamental manchild not unlike Kylo Ren

@TJ-fe7rr Год назад

He's not calm and calculating. He's prone to fits of rage.

@AndrewTateOfficial Год назад

george completely stole the epithet of Richard Neville the earl of warwick during the war of the roses in england lol. he was such a powerful lord he dethroned henry vi to put richard duke of york on, but the other lords werent ok with it so he made the king henry vi give the throne to richard upon henrys death, then he put edward iv on, then changed his mind over a decade and dethroned edward then put henry back on. then nearly fought off edward during edwards re-invasion. he was nicknamed the kingmaker. in a letter written to king louis xi of france, the governor of abbeville said "the english have but 2 rulers, the earl of warwick, and another whose name i have forgotten"

@Mas3452001 11 месяцев назад

Contemporary writing is fixated on making the men horridly arrogant and the women majestically misunderstood

@gfr3389 Год назад

Apparently HBO ruins everything

@adib3011 Год назад

🤔 I think beesbury started to leave but then cole pulled him back, slit his throat then yeeted him out of the window.

@jackashmore 11 месяцев назад

Also he F’d up break bones but they made me a little cry baby

@tallmidget1395 11 месяцев назад

Man I hope one day we get a rated r animated copy of the books.

@VittoriaDefendenti-lz6vh Год назад

Name of the background song?

@aasthabairagi3113 4 дня назад

He's the show writer's punching bag 😅 kinda feel bad for the actor for the hate he's receiving.

@LEMATTOFFICIAL Год назад

I'm glad to see this because without knowing what Cole was in the books I HATED the character in the show. And not in a good hate way like hating Joffrey because he was supposes to be but in a this character's actions and involvement makes no sense/ bad writing sort of way

@petemeister1611 10 месяцев назад

Everything is better in books. Period.

@user-xl2qx3qv3c Год назад

Just hope they don’t kill him off next season

@endangeredspecies8441 11 месяцев назад

You can’t have a man being that integral to the plot. Remember you have to spread “the message”

@Tom-fw2ls Год назад

You didn't even say his name right

@TheBreaker153 3 месяца назад

We needed to see Criston going beast mode at a tourney with him smashing the kingsguards. Gewayne Hightower. Harwin strong and Joffery.

@NYCfrankie 11 месяцев назад

Yeh what they did to ser criston was probably my biggest issue with HOTD that or blackwashing house Velaryon

@user-ny9vh9ik8n День назад

In the books, he was described as pious. I think he is a fanatic, this really cement the faith wanted the Targs out theory and the maesters conspiracy

@Flyboy7621 День назад

Criston Cole’s Kingmaker Speech is so based 💯. Team Green

@AlluraCooke 6 месяцев назад

Ok but that speech though

@adamjohnson6016 3 дня назад

He is basically just like the book, particularly since it's a history, and the family in power is going to cast blame on non-family members. It would make sense that the Targs want to blame anyone with a different last name that was involved, particularly since he isn't of highborn blood of any kind.

@tomlondonpdn 12 дней назад

Hey James Hope you're good mate I was wondering if there's any truth in the stories that the reason United aren't prioritizing Onana is about the feud between the agencies?

@Arlanalt 11 месяцев назад

I prefer most of the show counterparts tbh, but he is one of the ones that the book did better

@zacht.240 11 месяцев назад

Just to clarify, Beesbury's death in the books is a but if a mystery - his throat being opened by Criston Cole is one of a few theories as to how he died if I remember correctly?

@MannyGQQ 12 дней назад

The show ruined every character I dont like that they changed it from a legitimate war for succession we're everyone hated each other to string of tragic mistakes that leads to a war smh

@nectan23 Год назад

Just hoping they didn't get his death at the Butcher's Ball wrong, I want to hear the immortal lines from his killers as he bleeds out... "I'll have no songs about how brave you died, Kingmaker. There's tens of thousands dead on your account."

@michaelbenn4912 Год назад

Butcher's Ball solved my problem with Cole..

@pantomathic7367 11 месяцев назад

It was so satisfying

@13141Scott 11 месяцев назад

The Earl of Warwick also known as "The Kingmaker" during the War of the Roses

@user-lj8fx8ic6n Год назад

We in russia call Christon Cole КРЫСтон (sound almost the same, and mean RAT in russian)

@NovitaSari-cr1lf Год назад

The oldest of the rhaenyra bastard was his spring

@fatface9191 Год назад

I would that twist

@yerintaem Месяц назад

So horrible he was the only one with Rhaenyra to witness the White Stag choose her as heir.

@genitalwarthunder8784 Год назад

Game of Thrones ruining a character that was infinitely more interesting in the books? What a shocker…

@Secretingredientiscrime Месяц назад

Also, in the books, wasn't he a way better fighter? Like, in the show, the tourney battle between him and Daemon seemed to be 50/50, but in the books, it is written like Criston had a way easier time beating Daemon. Same with his match against Harwin Strong.

@babbaby5757 11 месяцев назад

In the book cristin cole as badass as cregan,aemon dragonknight and etc while in the show they portrayed him as emo boy 😂

@HenshinHeroesMedia 17 дней назад

Haven't read the books , but I love criston cole. Good or bad, he is interesting. Even his scenes with aemond are pretty cool. It's like a surrogate father son thing

@ElectricSoul828 11 месяцев назад

It seems to be an industry wide thing to reduce all male characters.

@lankster_yt6252 27 дней назад

And it would make sense given the jump from him being in love her in episode 5 and then hating her ten years later in episode 6.

@88Slugger12 10 часов назад

Personally I always found Cole was massively overstepping for a lowborn before we finally saw him in the show. I think he’s portrayed much better in the show. Makes more sense imo.

@luckyadrianhutapea 13 дней назад

To day after the 2nd season of eps 2 of hotd, he is still solid. Not that bad comparing to book. The staff did a good job

@boromirtheblasted883 Год назад

Hot take: HOTD season 1 was okay. Could’ve been a lot better.

@mrkan6337 Год назад

But it is better than season 8

@boromirtheblasted883 Год назад

@@mrkan6337 1 man 1 jar was better than season 8.

@FoxxyFatima Год назад

Yep, I feel we needed a few filler episodes.

@justanonverifiedyoutubechannel 15 дней назад

He is way worse now in season 2, spiteful and petty and irrational

@kellenboyle86 Год назад

I loved both interpretations

@Hellzangel115 Год назад

They really chopped him up to a basic who cant handle rejection. I still hate his character

@hansolobutimdead 10 месяцев назад

His character is why I stopped watching the show. It turned it into a soap opera

@leonschroder7791 10 месяцев назад

Criston is nice in Hous of the dragon

@EKensai 6 дней назад

Nothing about this video made criston cole more interesting

@christiandave7925 Год назад

I might be in the minority but I like the show Criston better. Because he is not a Targaryen after all or married to one so, nerfing him kinda gave Alicent more involvement to the dance of the dragons. I think Criston Cole's real "King Making" in the show is when Aemond becomes substitute king. I would rather give Targaryens and dragons more screen time than Criston Cole coz it's a show about Targaryens after all.

@morriswheatley9856 Год назад

Why do they keep making the show worse?

@TJ-fe7rr Год назад

With Lord Beesbury, Criston Cole either slit his throat or threw him out the window. This is not fact, these are allegations from people who didn't see what happened.

@travissecrist4693 23 дня назад

He still is very interesting on the show. He’s clearly helping pull strings and has influence. His influence is growing and in just a few more episodes in season 2 he’s going to have the most influence on this war for the greens. He essentially plans the war with Aemon and their path of destruction begins. Pray for the Riverlands