How this INCREDIBLE Plane Saved Everyone Onboard from Certain Death 

He was very delayed in his functioning. That was the problem.

How close did it get to the terrain?

@Toa Kodan STALL.. STALL.. isn’t nice one either

​@@starcorpvncjhe pulled up really quickly, on the explanation it May seem as it was long but the action happend really quick thats not the issue here. The problem is failure to properly prevent this from happening in the first place by properly identifying the Mountain and when diverting knowing your lower then that Mountain you should either climb or vector to pass it safely

Exactly mate. I was just about to say the same thing. Don't know what's wrong with airfrance.. so many pilot errors!

How bout lack of weather information

It's called "laissez-faire".

Magari a volte son troppo sicuri di sé. Ma sono francesi, che ti aspettavi?

@Helushka Loyalheart Offcourse they were from "the Euro". Oh but that won't fit your racist agenda is it?

GE makes the best engines in the world. Absolutely undisputed fact.. got a problem with them electrocuting elephants to death to prove how dangerous Westinghouse alternating current was vs. direct current, but as far as gas turbines go, they are the best. General Engines might be a better description of the company. Their appliances are about as good as P&W's engines. Still don't own a GE appliance

The sound of those engineering masterpiece is like a fine tuned instrument

My Dad was a private pilot, always found it interesting! So how much thrust do those puppies put out? I bet it's a LOT!

@@mobius-1503 😑

And your evidence to back up your claim is where ?

I wouldn't count on it.

Air France has been on my no fly list for years. The co-pilot is asked to make a turn but is unsure of where they are but nonetheless complies. He should have questioned the Captain. Next a terrain warning yet continue to fly on like it means nothing. Then a terrain warning along with pull up and the co-pilot finally puts 2 +2 together. Maybe. Slow and unprofessional in my book. Flying a passenger plane is serious business and if you are not 100% with it the whole flight. start to finish, then get out of the cockpit.

It's Air France. Bunch of clowns

@@tbm3fan913 Too much wine and cheese and too laid back for me. I want a pilot that is vigilant.

@@BigEightiesNewWave what did we expect from the french?

That's why we need people like you to go through this training and fly for us!

I'm not entirely sure how it happened but the way it was described by Mentour Pilot's video about this incident they did it instantly. Apparently they had done terrain escape maneuver training in the simulator a very short time before so they could simply act on instinct.

I totally agreed. All 3 crew should have been dismissed as inept. They knew a high volcano is in front. The radar shows them. There are multiple warning they ignored until the reserve pilot actually saw the trees from his side window. Absolute incompetence.

Not a pilot, either, but careful with over-reacting. I imagine that max throttle up (which is probably what I would have done too) might stall the engine out, then you would have REAL problems...

@@starcorpvncj You and OP don't understand enough about this incident to be commenting because they did pull up immediately and applied full throttle half a second later. The GPWS sounded terrain pull up for 8 seconds because thats how long the event lasted. It keeps sounding until you clear the terrain not when you respond. The trees were spotted while in the terrain escape maneuver. Second they did not know the volcano was there, they thought they were south and east of the volcano not north and west of it. The radar did not actually show the volcano because as explained in the video they did not switch to terrain mode long enough for the screen to update. Instead they had a blank terrain screen because it takes 8 seconds to fully update and they only waited 6 seconds on terrain mode. So when they proceed to make a right turn and suddenly where getting terrain warnings they couldn't make sense of how the was possible a right turn should be taking them away from terrain. Thinking this was possibly mt cameroon the started to turn harder still thinking they are south of the mountain and that getting the nose headed east will resolve the caution. Remember it takes 8 seconds for a full radar sweep and so the screen only refreshes every 8 seconds. This plust the startle response of the situation mean by the time they have gotten around to assessing the terrain screen the turn has made the situation worse and instead of a terrain ahead warning they are now within 30 seconds of a collision triggering the GPWS "Pull up" command. This is what saved the plane from certain death because the pilots immediately executed the climb as they were trained to. Ignoring being in that situation in the first place they did everything they should and they did it faster than average upon review. Meaning that if they did anything wrong it was only to do with getting in that situation at all. If you did research on that you would find that bad aeronautical chart design, and poor threat evaluation by the company of the route lead to the confusion and miscalculated position of the plane. Maybe you should stop jumping to conclusions and then asserting "Absolute incompetence." based on those false conclusions. If you can't be bothered to do a little fact checking and make an unbiased value claim when it doesn't matter since your view has no bearing on what happens to them. How can anyone ever trust you to make such decisions and go the extra mile to get it right when it does matter. How can you even trust yourself to make decisions for yourself, if your so willing to make false claims and accusations. On top of all that you don't fire people for mistakes, you fire people who show that they have had ample opportunity to both learn and create good habits and still they fail to do so. Meaning they will never learn from mistakes or that the mistake went against what they were trained to do. At no point did the pilots deviate from their training and at no point in their carriers did the pilots show signs of problematic habits or training outcomes. I hope you take this as a learning opportunity for yourself to better your habits and how you assess and gather information so when you have to make decisions big or small that make affect someone else's life you can make the right one.

That and only 44 total people on board really helped it climb quickly lol.

That's what they're there for.

@Joe Ropaio It makes a huge difference and it may have saved their life. You sometimes see very fast and sharp take off of commercial airplanes. It's because they're empty of passengers. (and yes, of cargo)

"Hey why does god get the credit?" - GE Engineer

@Joe Ropaio Boeings have a high wing loading if they are fully loaded. This helps in terms of efficiency, but it don't help if you want to climb fast. Fully loaded 777-300ERs even have to burn some fuel first before they can reach the full cruising altitude, since the coffin corner prevents them from reaching cruising altitude shortly after take off

They know now after watching the video! Can you imagine seeing that out the window?

Not even the cabin crew was informed, I can tell, I was one of them and learnt about it a month later…

Who wants 9/11 flight UA175, AA11, UA93 and AA flight 77 hijack reconstruction ????

@@jetaddicted A month? I figured it would be a lot shorter than that with someone from the cabin crew *sitting* in the cockpit, but right...

@Moon Cricket what, HILARIOUS?! Are you crazy ? I mean, this joke is not even funny, you basically wished a death of more than 40 people. I hope next time you will think before saying a stupid joke

That was what I was thinking.

@@tsp6147 I've never heard of a commercial airliner cruising at 8,000 feet like that anyway. They weren't even on their decent yet.

He is excellent

@@SFbayArea94121 So is this man behind all of the Animation and Stuff

Articulate and well spoken

Exactly. In fact, I watched it just yesterday! 🤣🤣 Petter is really good and professional in the way he presents the facts. It is always a pleasure to listen to him. And it is always a pleasure watching TFC. Professionalism². ❤️

I was wondering why this incident sounded so familiar.

Give and take - approx 35,000 lbs vs 3,500 lbs. Would've certainly memorialized the Mt.

Wouldn't have reacted as quick as it did. They got extremely lucky.

I was wondering the same thing. Looked it up and apparently the lowest point was 2100' above ground.

@@xn40sarethebest Doesn't sound like that much lol. Glad they made it safely.

@@johnalexander7490 Yeah, it was a little more than the animations made it look, but it still could've ended in disaster had it been fully loaded...

As a passenger I love flying at night, I lean against the window and watch the various cities and their beautiful lights go by… It’s like fling among the ✨!

@@lordhung7013 f that! I drink quite a bit of cognac, it helps

@@Carlito_Brigante93 To each his own! LOL

@@lordhung7013 yes, I wish could still smoke in flight

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iEpHKBjXvN4.html American pilots not even hearing 😘

They must have really enjoyed that sensation. Not knowing we almost scraped a volcano I would have actually thanked the pilot for that maneuver.

En Francais.

Indeed. Are these pilots that unfamiliar with the surrounding terrain? They aren’t because they mentioned the ‘mountain’ to the north. Yeegads

@@davesmith5656 google=> On dirait qu'ils ont mis du temps avant de répondre aux avertissements de terrain. surtout avec cette tache rouge juste devant leurs avions sur leurs instruments de navigation. A quoi pensaient-ils?

@@hakunamatata2000 ---- Your humor is appreciated.

Moreover, when you fly in the region, Mount Cameroon really sticks out, litterally. Its pretty singular. Even when going to Yaounde, Libreville or even Brazaville southbound, you always have the thing at least somewhere in the back of your mind, at night even more so (yes, weather or not, the ground is very dark over there). I get the mental load comming from their concerns with weather, poor ATC and nav, etc. etc. ... up to some point. Drops in awareness of this magnitude should start to be investigated more thoroughly, IMHO.

I agree, this incident is covered better by Mentour Pilot: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SqleyIQ0C8Y.html

The map was actually an instrument approach plate, which should not have been used for the briefing & enroute tracking. Don't know about the Finnair flight, but there was a JetAirways Flight 555 that had 6 missed approaches, not enough fuel to reach an alternate, weather not improving, no other option… and finally landed on the 7th try, with fumes remaining in the tanks. Check out @Mentour Pilot channel… m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-o-IuOnDBoGA.html

listen, nobody cares

@@fibecheee I do

Yes, AF being AF : brutally honest about its mistakes and communicating about them so they are not repeated, not hiding stuff, unlike most other airlines.

Dont include all the airline , ive been mostly flying air france for most of my life and never experienced any problems. And there is only 6 videos of air france in this channel

NASADEM, GPS and a computer could do that

The safety alerts did sound off. Both radar and terrain monitoring indicators were selected to weather. This played a role in the near miss.

I've seen some cessna jets before with that kind of technology. I'm sure it helps a lot of pilots

Even on flight simulator i avoided the mountains!

Its weird how you can buy a Cessna 172 with that Synthetic Vision technology but not a 777. I guess thats the difference between private and commercial though. You'd think it would be a standard option by now.

I'm no pilot but when an aircraft is telling you to pull up, you pull up

Especially if you're looking up at them.

Exactly at the Airline I used to work for a few AirFrance incidents and accidents were used as case studies in CRM training.

Thankfully the jumpseat passenger saw those trees....what if they hadn't?

​@@captainmorrow"and the copilot" plus they responded 8 seconds after the EGPWS sounded on the second turn. The mistake regarding the fact that they positioned the mountain north rather then north east was because of the layout of the map region which could easily cause confusion 🤦‍♂️

Rewatch the video and watch mentour pilot documentary on the incident. The escape maneouver was executed less then 20 seconds after the first EGPWS call and 8 seconds after the EGPWS call after the second turn. These were excellent and aware pilots besides the fact they thought the mountain was north of them rather then north east. Which was caused by the layout of the Map chart of the region.

Didn't you watch the video? They didn't react strongly at all. It wasn't until the reserve pilot actually saw trees out of his side window that the co-pilot actually finally reacted. So what was the captain doing I wonder?

@@starcorpvncj I love your kitty!

They got a terrain warning after initiating a turn to the right and then, in response, turned even further in the direction that caused the terrain warning in the first instance. Generally, if a pilot doesn't know where they are and heading in a particular direction causes a terrain warning, they should probably reverse their turn so they are moving away from the climbing terrain. Some questionable decision-making here...

Hmm what is that HUGE RED thing on the terrain radar... lol. Lets go right at her!!

9/11 reconstruction tooo

@@Nomad_11 the topic you shouldn’t talk about because you will see all the Swiss 🧀 cheese holes in the official story in case you haven’t realized the reality of the USA

@@Nomad_11 it's illegal to re-create 9/11 in games I think?

@@BGI_guy In the United States, the First Amendment would allow the recreation of the 9/11/2001 incident.

@@BGI_guywhy should be illegal to make an video of what happened on 9/11, the second last video was about an plane hijack

The warning sounded many times before they took any action. In af447 the stall warning sounded 58 times without pilots understood anything. Now we have 3 cases where FO simply froze goving the wrong inputs to the flight control system.

​@@herceg6772 effectively, and without visual situational awareness, i would have expect the pilot flying to disconnect autopilot, put in maximum thrust (there's a lag) and then pull up at the limit of the available envelope at least until the alarm stop or the pilot non-flying have full situational awareness, then do a situational assessment. Not turn blindly using the automation. This could have killed them all.

The captain insisting they stop climbing at 11000ft (Mt Cameroon tops at over 13000ft) still worries me. They were confused about the location ot the thing before, did he at that point know where the summit was ?

oh come on.....those "pull up" warnings are only for sissies......no one pays attention to those...its like when the fire alarms go off in buildings and everyone just sits there and looks at each other and then goes back to work....until the REAL emergency happens....you know, like smoke or fire consumes them or in this case, the plane crashed into a mountain or to be more correct...a volcano... : D

Simple……you pull up. That’s the procedure that we’re taught

IIRC, the EGPWS has improved look-ahead capability vs the older system, which mainly looked down.

There are a couple of examples where the GPWS has sounded but the aircrew didn't act accordingly and crashed. When investigators crunched the numbers, had the aircrew immediately floored the gas and grabbed some Alpha, they would have cleared the terrain with no issues.

@@mbvoelker8448 thanks 😊

@@ricbarker4829 yes, now you mention it I’ve listened to some odd responses on a CVC. Responses like “ah good” etc.

GPWS only looks down - if a mountain is steep it can be too late to pull up. EGPWS has a digital map and knows where the aircraft is, and can warn the pilots before it gets dangerous.

I don't understand a flight level of 8,000 when you know there's a 13,000 mountain in the area and it's night.

@@RPG-oh1yf mentor pilot goes into more detail. Essentially they were at that level to start approach which should have been well away from high terrain

@@RPG-oh1yf Yeah, and I think @Yvonne Field has it right.👍🏻

What was strange to me about their delayed response was that it wasn’t an issue at all to increase their altitude. Even if they thought it was some sort of instrument malfunction problem, increasing the altitude when you’re only at 8K would give you a bigger safety margin anyways so why not go ahead and increase the altitude anyways.

Unlikely. They will continue to lose vaccinated pilots to illness and death. They will not allow the return of healthy, unvaccinated pilots.

I have said the same; I am raying for people's safety. In addition to the pilot shortage, I worry, in terms of maintenance, that potentially corners are being cut due to supply chain issues.

Same here in south east asia.. pilots shortage, planes many under maintenance and overbooking/ delayed flights issue.. I hope it will be resolved soon.

@@travelerforever8849 thanks for update, we certainly don’t get that info on the news here.

These concerns are exactly why when I fly out of DIA (Denver) anywhere to the west (LA, SEATTLE, San Fransisco etc,) I never take a red-eye in the middle of the night. I’ll leave a day earlier and spend a night in the hotel before the meeting I have the next day. Plus, I like the window seat to watch what’s below us, and I LOVE drinking the local brews during dinner in a different area than I live in. Ok, honestly, I tell my company I’m more comfortable flying when the pilots can actually see where the Rocky Mountains are so I can spend the night in cool places on the west coast. Don’t tell my bosses that please.

Exactly. If it's a false alarm, so what?. If it's real, you save everyone.✈

Wait im pretty sure i know you.

I force him to work so I can profit

Ah ok understanable

I stayed at a Holliday Inn and fully agree.

I'm disappointed that they didn't react to the instrument warnings first but rather to a visual of terrain.

@@johng669 ...If you _know_ there's a huge 13,500 foot freaking mountain out there in the dark, and you start getting terrain warnings, just climb to 15,000 feet. It might be a false alarm? But if you've accidentally found aforesaid huge freaking mountain in the dark, you don't want to hit it? Assume the worst case scenario for safety reasons, when overreacting is incredibly safer than underreacting.

Here's a question: Depending on flight speed (yes they are not at landing speed), would minor flaps (5%) be able to withstand and yet add to the climb rate/angle?

@@wannamontana4130 if a plane is maintaining altitude while “clean” (retracted flaps/slats & retracted landing gear), and where the planes needs to climb rapidly, there’s no advantage to pushing out flaps. Rather, the pilot would increase engines thrust and pull back on the yoke using the horizontal elevators to pitch the nose up.

in which region was the mountain/volcano situated exactly?

@@julesjulius187 cameroon

I've never heard about that one...do tell!

@@dwannasandifer3958 I learned about the Mt. Erebus disaster after watching a rare video of the cabin of the actual plane that crashed!! It’s Air New Zealand flight 901, that crashed on November 28th, 1979.

I'm wondering how many planes have crash due to storms or pilot errors.

Poor crew resource management.

@@XavierLignieres it is always Air France

There was once a case where an experienced crew of a L-1011 tried to find out why the control light of the landing gear was not on after extending the gear (it was just the lightning bulb which was broken). They forgot to fly the aircraft during night and it crashed into the sumps because the crew was distracted and nobody was actually flying the aircraft.

Got that right can't say it any better. Last time I went overseas was to London, Iberia back and forth. Air France has a terrible relationship with customers and their pilots are NOT trained well. After 2008 I saw a lot of people in airports, a lot of noise, people screaming on their phones, Heathrow packed and my seat was changed to the last row. Thanks to the internet I decide not to fly anymore. I rather pay the contacts to come down and discuss business and do a demo of the product instead of me flying 12+ hours with all the unruly passengers. The nice traveling times by planes are long gone. Airlines do anything to make your life miserable. It works for me. Video conference on a big screen, the manufacturer shows me the look alike of the product, send me the quotation as per specifications and called it done. Wait for the product to arrive and pay the balance after checking all the goods work as promised. No more planes for me.

@@GUIRADE95 - Great Comment. I much prefer the road trips now. If a client says... "OH, we need you tomorrow!" I always respond: "Then best of luck when you pick 2nd best. Let me know how that goes". They usually 'see the light' and somehow find the patience to wait. :)

@@GodsFavoriteBassPlyr exactly my friend, too much hassle to travel anywhere. While I was in the USA I've use to travel to the manufacturers plant or HQ. As today and when our body is not the same as 30 years back. I prefer the video conference. I work based on specifications, design and performance. If the first unit works as per request then we issue the final order. No more traveling, traffic in CA is horrible, the worst for me is the fly attendant's,they think they're the law. Rude, careless and the entire flight is a zoo! Weird to see dogs, birds, pigs, and all sorts of wildlife ON BOARD! Hahaha that was the last straw for me. Kind regards from BC.

I like the 777 but to be fair all modern airliners have this type of safety alert system.

No it didn't. Pure luck did.

@@Design_no nah God did. 100%

Where ya from ??

In a Boeing, if Bonin would have pulled the same way he did, he would also have stalled the plane

@@Alex-jk3vf Yeah, pilots like Bonin need more practical flight training, or should not be in a cockpit from beginning on

You need to remember that in the summer heavy storms are a daily occurrence, and that it will rain for most of the morning, clear up a little, then rain again in late afternoon till near midnight, with rainfall at times measured in metres of water.

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@Joe Ropaio and Emirates

Challenge accepted

IKR, the 777 is my favourite. That Air India Captain from a few weeks ago would also agree with you

Landing Gear is not Extended as part of the Terrain Escape Manoeuvre, If it's already extended its left in that position as a Non Permitted Configuration Change.

@@-DC- That's not what I remember Mentor Pilot saying, but then again I could be mistaken.

Geo 👋

@Joe Ropaio It's 5.5 cm.

2000ft AGL

They would have been at cruise speed with gear and flaps up so they would have been able to convert that speed to altitude very quickly, then before the speed bleeds off too much the max thrust from those big engines would have done the rest.

There was a daily midnight flight between douala and Paris that time (now, I don't know), and the plane is always full. So they need something bigger than an ATR72 to carry everyone 🙂.