I keep the cartridge pierced. So far I have experienced very little CO2 loss over time (it should still have enough to fire a whole mag after a year of sitting). Also, the valve design is very robust and super simple to rebuild if needed. I would be more worried about the hammer spring wearing out if left cocked for too long.
I keep my PPQ pierced also. Every two weeks I'll change it out over the weekend after letting it sit empty for two days when I'm not carrying it. I also take the PVC balls out every night when I get home and put them back in the next day.
I've had mine for almost while now and I always carry it loaded and change it almost every month just incase but honestly doesn't leak at all and my mag is still good
I like that magazine style co2 in the mag why can they make it non piercing until you up back the slide like your chambering a actual round??? That would be nice
I'm on the fence about buying the Glock 17 Gen 5 T4E. And the reasons are because of the C02 issue and the price. If I'm paying well over $300 bucks for this gun, which I plan to carry as a pepperball/self defense option, I dont want to have to fiddle with the C02 canister if an emergency presents itself. Or, after already spending over 300, I dont wanna have to spend another $60+ on a quick piercing magazine to make my gun more efficient. I mean, close to $400 is just a lot of money to spend.
I have a M&P and it's has had the c02 in it for about a year now. No leaks no nothing. I actually fired it the other day and it worked. T4E makes quality rigs
That's fuckin awesome to know. I've only had it two weeks maximum but a year dude??? Thanks ALOT FOR THIS INFO now i don't gotta worry about pre piercing. I got 3 of their markers and each got 3 mags except my glock 4 mags becuz I got 2 of them lol. I make sure to lube the o rings always too but a YEAR DUDE??? I LOVE THIS GUN LMAO AND BRAND T4E
Got that emergency/quick pierce mag in recently. Had to order it from Germany but definitely worth it if you can afford it. Hopefully they drop in the states soon but I JUST got my pre ordered standard mag a week ago.
@@Gigachadly when you got a felony and your state laws prohibits you from owning a firearm FOREVER (CALIFORNIA) use to be 10 years but gavin fuckin newsom the IDIOTIC FKIN BIAACH made it fuckin forever its RIDICUOUS how am I SOPPOSE TO PROTECT MY FAMILY
I own the grimburg FSC pistol. I can not buy pepper balls in NYS, no idea why. The gun can be turned up to 360 fps with 68 cal. steel balls. They will go through quarter inch plywood... Lethal if hit in the face or head. I want pepperballs, but can't get them shipped here. So I have a gun has a lot of power for C02. It also sounds like a real gun when fired.
The brains of the action lies within the magazines of both of those pistols. With basic hand tools they are easily stripped down. I am very surprised that No company has designed a modified Drop in Valve to Increase the velocity. I would think that it could be possible to bring it up to about 9 joules.
I've seen a couple people say that with the riot ball solid aluminum I believe they're 1.8 g they're getting on a stock ppq43 around 7.8 joule. I believe home defense 24 it could have been another company apparently attempted modifying the magazines and they ran into leaking issues so they decided to stop. It would be nice if somebody could increase power a little bit with some modification to the magazine complete technology solutions is trying to do something in that area.
It’s beyond me that umarex can’t incorporate a quick piercing co2 system on these replica markers. I love the T4E Home defense series of markers and the quick pierce system on those weapons work fine, the Glock and PPQ should have some kind of similar implementation, or like a byrna system where the co2 is pierced on the first trigger pull.
@@chrisbreezy-ryanbarbosa4320 you are correct! It wasn’t long after I posted this comment, that I stumbled upon a video showcasing said quick piercing magazines!
@1truthbegettingtold275 I got 4 normal ones for the glock I personally hate the look of the quick pierce I just have them pierce ready lol but everyone says itll.mess the o rings so far I lube it all the time liquid or silicone grease. And 2 weeks zero problems look like brand new someone said they done a year no problem. Obvious people will say it leak over time however I hear ZERO LEAKAGE. but i do agree they need to make a mag when it pierces UPON FIRING now that'll be the perfect magazine i heard tipmannx does this feature. I hope t4e make it like this some day. I got their ppq m2 built in Allen key pretty useful also extra mag for 199$ blue version. I also got the vp9 and the g17gen5. I personally like holding the ppq2 best but the g17 is a masterpiece especially how you can pierce it without an allen key. Just twist the bottom.and boom pierced love this feature. Close enough to a quick pierce.
Question for you. Think you could cerakote (however it’s spelled) the glock slide? I want one with a blue slide, like my s&w mp9. It’s nice having both a black and blue option IMO.
@@DKSpencerCustomKinetics luckily this ones the easiest to take apart. As far as .43’s go lol. Any brand recommendations? Any dos or dont’s? Rookie questions but most of my weapons have been issued, not hobby weapons where I’m customizing lol. I’ve always kept it super simple. Thanks for the response man, you’re killing it with lots of diverse content on here!
@@DKSpencerCustomKinetics hypothetically, if I were to offer to pay you for time and materials,shipping etc. would you maybe be willing to take on a custom job like that? If so you got an email, and what would you be looking for compensation wise? I don’t have Facebook so we’d have to communicate via email or something. Thanks for taking the time to read this either way man.
I carry my PPQ with the quick pierce mag. It’s almost the same as that Glock mag. But instead you get to do “tap, rack and shoot” more natural if you’re ever going to be a CCW carrier
I have one of the mags for the PPQ you're talking about. And coming from an actual handgun instructor there's nothing natural about that. You should not have to slap the bottom of your magazine or rack your slide when you draw your weapon. When you draw a real firearm you do one of two things, draw and shoot or draw and cut the safety off and shoot if it has one.
@@arkitekto323 Yes, military carry and use and concealed carry and use can be very different instructions. Especially the military you are talking about. With a good pistol, you should not need to ensure the mag is seated upon drawing in self defense. But in battle, sure. Complete different scenario you know you're going into battle, not getting mugged by one guy you weren't expecting. There are a lot of best practices that you teach in military settings based off of the type of weapon or the situation that don't apply in civi life. However, I don't know how anyone would have the argument that you should be carrying it unloaded and you should have to rack your slide before you shoot somebody. Cuz for one thing that takes time for another thing you have to use two hands to do that unless you're really experienced which if you're really experienced, you wouldn't be carrying it unloaded anyway not to mention the fact that that's one less round that you can carry too. In my opinion and a lot of other firearm instructors opinion, it is more dangerous to carry a gun like that. Look some military weapons didn't have nearly the safety features in place to keep the hammer from striking the firing pin if it was dropped as stuff does now. Which is where that kind of stuff comes from but that is like not even realistic or necessary in modern Times in a CCW sitch
@@DKSpencerCustomKinetics shouldnt the mag tap be more optimal ? I know the glock got its own mag now but instead of just simply tapping it then fire, without the quick pierce you gotta open it and start spinning again which would take quite a bit longer time
Excuse-moi je m’attendais à une technique beaucoup plus évolué que celle que tu nous as montré parce qu’elle paraît logique merci pour la prochaine fois de mettre en vidéo quelque chose de plus Élaboré merci
Yep, but I'm on my second mag and it's giving me a little bit of trouble sometimes getting a good seal never from the PPQ did I ever have a problem with that of course it's a complete different way to pierce it
@@adamkirk7991 I mean I'm definitely going to be experimenting with it but right off the top of my head other than the couple of things you can find searching around about all I know at this point I haven't even cracked the mag open yet I'm going to wait till I have another one first I honestly love the thing the way it is actually. I mean don't get me wrong if I can get more power I'm going to get more power as long as I don't have to sacrifice the blow back
I got two Glock 17 gen 5 , 1 PPQ m2 LE BLUE, 1 SFP VP9, spent over 1k on all of these and from both glocks 4 total magazines, 3 mags per other gun. geezus.... Now Ive purchased an HDP50 and a VALKEN CQMF time to mod the shit out of them, the pistols are nicely made ande feel GREAT but they are by no means stop an attacker maybe if I aim for their face constantly. LOL My next buy is def the GRIMBURG GAVLE 2.0 i bet when it comes out itll be back to 42 joules, they went backwards and went down 10 joules to like 36 joules for some reason...
I think that it would be debatable so a concealed weapon is not the same thing obviously as a concealed firearm it could definitely fall under the concealed weapon category or at least be argued that it could in some areas I would think but were there you could really make it stick or not I'm not sure unless it was modified to higher power level I don't know if you would really call this a weapon.
What caliber is best for self defense. Is the .43 that much weaker
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The best caliber is 9mm. These are paintball guns, don't try to use them for self defense or you'll end up in a grave. If you can't carry a real weapon then carry a pepper spray or a taser. Those are designed for personal protection, unlike T4E pistols, which are designed for training. Just to give you an idea - these guns deliver about 5 joules of energy, while a strong punch delivers over 100, and a 9mm bullet delivers over 600 joules.
@ This isn't true sir. Plenty of examples exist that show they are more than capable of being used for self defense. How would like to be shot eight times with a PVC, aluminum or riot ball?
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@@stephenpope578 Probably as much as being shot eight times with a slingshot, and plenty of examples exist of people being badly hurt with it. Still, no law enforcement or security agencies in the world use slingshots. They use pepper sprays, tasers, batons and firearms, for a good reason - they work. None of them uses paintball guns. Even when they shoot rubber balls they use real firearms loaded with special ammunition, called baton rounds, which is way more powerful than t4e (about 150 joules).
@ There was a study done on self defense situations in America involving guns. In 92% of those situations the victim merely needed to brandish or point the firearm to deter the attack. It's rare to have to even fire a gun in a normal self defense situations if after the person realizes you have a gun, especially if they don't have a gun themselves. In which case even a replica would be better than having nothing. If they did have a gun I wouldn't suggest doing so obviously but in that situation I would suggest trying to pull out pepper spray either.
@ You need to get your facts straight... Law enforcement have been using these style of non lethal for a while now. It not this gun in particular but it still a "paintball gun". It also use in a few military branches. So do more research before spewing nonsense. Also, you suggest carrying a pepper spray or a taser... Try pulling anyone of that out when your attacker have a gun and see how that end up. It common sense to not pull out a non lethal against an attacker armed with a gun. A "paintball gun" allow you to defend yourself from a greater distance then both of those option and it also look like a real gun. There less of a chance that your attacker will change his mind after seeing you hold a tiny bottle of OC spray or a bright color taser. Many however, would quickly run when they see their target holding a "real" firearm.
Training pistols that’s pretty much what those are used for by police enforcement. Absolutely no good for self defense but definitely cool to plink with in the backyard.
Why would you carry one of those around? If someone pulls a real gun what are you going to do? And that's not going to kill someone. Seems like it's just going to get you into trouble?
I don't actually carry one of these, unless it has pepper rounds in it. Well the reason people would carry something like this or I typically scary stuff that's considerably more powerful and actually will stop somebody but there's not every person that's allowed to have a gun and not every place that allows you to have a gun. So sometimes something is better than nothing don't you agree? But no I feel that you need to carry something that will at least actually stop somebody. But pepper rounds in one of these well-placed will 90 percent of the time. Kinetic rounds, I would not trust in these to be effective
Felons people who live in places that don't allow firearms oh and you know America in the next five years if it keeps going the way it is, that's who will have to, lol
You're not force to use it just because it on your body... If someone pull a real gun and you're not carrying one of these, then what are you going to do? Well, simply continue doing whatever you would do if you're weren't carrying. Plain and simple, it not rocket science... But if someone came at you with a blunt weapon or just their hand and leg, you now have the option to hurt them from a distance. How is this so hard to understand? Be smart about the situation and choose the best option. Not everyone can go buy and legally carry a real gun you know.
