Here we review the Pioneer VSX 834 received, an excellent budget receiver and the Russound ADP 1.2 adapter. That allows you to connect an external amplifier to a receiver without preouts.
I used that device on an old 1993 JVC 5.1 / 120 WATT AND USED A NEW EMOTIVA 2 CH. AMP. Great sound with todays electroncs. I will deffinately upgrade the AVR.
thank you ! Without your video I would have not been able to figure out how to open these snap connectors. I tried it but was afraid that I would break them. Definitely delicate.
Thank you for this.I have the Sony str-dh740 and I think I get about 90 watts per channel, which seems to be underwhelming for my fronts (definitive technology pro towers 400) and the center (infinity beta c360). With this adapter, I can now add an amp for those channels.Thank you for the video.
I'm in the same boat as you, this video saved me a ton of money. Can you notice a sound difference at all from the connected speakers when using this adapter?
You're a lifesaver! My Denon only has subwoofer pre-outs so I really thought I didn't have any other options for hooking up an external amplifier until I saw this video! I pretty much ordered this immediately lol. Can you hear any sound differences using this adapter? Side note: check out Fosi v3 mono amplifier that just came out. It's around $100 and is putting high-end amps to shame, especially at its price!
You’re welcome, no difference in sound for me. I have seen the Fosi but haven’t looked into it, thanks for the tip. I’ll check it out. I’ve been waiting for something new to review. Thanks for watching
I don't know why they stopped putting preouts on recievers. I just picked up a Onkyo txnr 696 and for 600 bucks was surprised no preouts! Thank you for this video
I was wondering if you knew whether or not this would also work on a regular 2 channel receiver? If so then this could be what a lot of people who want more power for bigger speakers are looking for. Myself included.
Brilliant video, i have a question. Can i use this to run an active subwoofer from the speaker wire to my passive subwoofer. My current set up is a Harman Kardon BDS 635 5.1 thanks man and keep up the good content 👌🏻
Thank you. Yes you can use this adapter for a sub. The thing to keep in mind is the signal is not a dedicated lfe signal it’s a full range signal but the sub will give some added bass. Thanks for watching
I thought the idea of a pre out on a receiver is that the user can bypass the (usually) junk power amplification of the cheap receiver and use a real separate power amp. The solution presented in this video takes the signal of the built in power amplification and knocks it down to line level. So the power amp of the receiver is still in the signal chain doing its thing. Did I get this completely wrong?
No. You’re right. This video was for those that want to use a separate amp but the receiver doesn’t have preouts. So in that scenario this device transfers the signal without down grading the signal so the external amp can power the speaker. With capacitors and resistors in the device that helps the signal to not degrade. Thanks for watching and commenting
Excellent video man, I thought I was going to have to purchase a new receiver with pre outs. I have the pioneer vsx-lx301 elite. I’m looking to use these adapters along with crown xls2505 amp to push 2 crewing Vega xls215. I hope they work I seen the adapters handle 250w rms 500w max. Thanks for the video.
Too much "waffling". If you're teaching, 1. Introduce the topic 2. Speak on the outcomes of the topic 3. Teach the topic (including demos) 4. Wrap up Then finally, 5. Close out. In that whole video, you only spoke showed the connection point for a whole minute; then spoke on all the equipment you own. Very frustrating..
Look both uh yall need ta get da fuck out the way and stop tryna discourage this man on his channel. Cause yo ass miserable you lookin for a team ta join you. Go do sumn positive wit chaself. Done talking 😢😅
Realistically, your video gets the point across, it's not your fault others are impatient and frustrated. Thanks for the entertaining and informative video 😁 @@Audiolympian
Can you guys please help me out lol. So I have a Sony Dnh790 7.2 4K receiver that I really like, sounds amazing for 400 dollars, but I would like to get a little more juice to my front right and left tower speakers. I’m running a 5.2.2 setup with Polk s55 towers, s35 center, and 2 s15 surrounds, and 2 little Sony Dolby atmos speakers up on the very top corner of my walls. Sounds great but it clan always sound better. My question is if I do this process with the Sony reciever with an outlaw 5000 5 channel amplifier to just give my front towers extra my power, how does the amp know it’s connected to the receiver? I can turn the amp on/off manually which is fine with me. But I’m not sure how the amp and receiver will know to work together to put out the same music/movie. Also will adjusting the volume in reciever still adjust the volume of my towers as well?
@@JH-gd4qv the adapter acts like preouts on a receiver. It’s the same circuit engineering inside a receiver, it takes the audio signal and redirects its path to the rca preouts instead of the speaker terminals. So your amp will get the audio signal from the output of the adapter to its rca inputs. Yes your receiver will still control the volume, +-db, and channel setting to your speakers. As far as turning off and on if your devices both have trigger inputs and outputs that is what will turn your amp on and off.
@@Audiolympian ok I think I understand. So since all my other speakers are still connected. It’s still getting signals to the amp that way I guess. It’s all kind of confusing. I’m still new to all this. I don’t even really need the amp yet but will be buying it if I get a bigger room if we move in a few years. My Sony dnh790 receiver doesn’t have a 12v trigger input/output. So would this still work without the trigger? I would just need to turn the amp on/off by hand?www.sony.com/image/73e7d1990c5cb6a4b61812b6dcb56133?fmt=pjpeg&wid=1200&hei=470&bgcolor=F1F5F9&bgc=F1F5F9
@@Audiolympian thanks for responding, there isn’t any other videos on this topic at all on RU-vid to help, your the best. You would think people would make videos about something as common ads this. Because when you are fist getting into home theatre and have kids especially, you can afford 1k plus dollars receivers with dedicated pre outs. I eventually want to buy a 9.2 receiver with pre outs for an amp to power my front 3 and surround speakers but that will have to be once my kids are out of the house lol
What will happen if you plug high current things like a space heater or a refrigerator or a table saw or a microwave into the 120 volt outlets into the back of the av receiver.
Well a space heater will definitely blow a fuse. However the reason receivers have outlets on the back is because years ago devices didn’t always come with trigger inputs for power and to turn on so you could plug into them and another device, CD player or amp will power on. But I wouldn’t use them today and it’s probably not a good idea to plug any high current devices. Thanks for watching
You missed a few things I was wondering about that Russound - ADP-1.2 Speaker to Line-Level Adapter. Do you have it running in parallel with your speakers? Also if you turn up the vol on the Pioneer amp does that screw with the line out of the ADP? I have the Pioneer VSX 933 updated version from what you have and I was thinking of running a few VU meters on all the channels using a few of those but still run my speakers at the same time. Also what's the Ohm rating from positive to ground on say left channel of that device?
No I don’t have it in parallel. I was only using two speakers and it designed for two speakers so I didn’t feel the need to. Also it doesn’t have any problems turning the volume up on the pioneer, the Russound is designed with attenuation. I’m not sure what the ohm rating is I’m not sure the little manual that came with it mentioned anything about that ohm rating. As far as speakers go I have had 4 ohm speakers hooked up but my amp takes care of that it’s stable down to 2 ohms. Thanks for watching
Hi! I am having issues with scrolling comments so sorry if this is already asked...what gauge speaker wire are you using? I got one in today and I am struggling to get the wires in the adapter without strands not going in and causing shorts. Is there an adapter for the speaker inputs that you are aware of? Like teeny tiny banana clips or such? Thanks! Great video! I'm hoping to pull off exactly what you have done.
He Emmmanuel. Unfortunately we are forced to use a high gauge wire so it will fit like 18 or higher. Another option, and this is what I did, is to use solid core wire like the wire used in electrical work and I kept that wire as short as possible and used longer interconnect cables. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching
Yes you could use the pin connector. Just not sure if it would fit in the adapters connection. If it does then that would be a good source. Thanks for watching
Here is a link to my other video on this topic. In the comments I pinned an eBay link to purchase it ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0OzPOIPp_ZE.htmlsi=baIj7qgP9HG5Dex-
Thanks. I just did an updated version of this video showing a better connections. Feel free to check that out if you want. Thanks for watching and subscribing 👍
Great video and thank you. I really thought I had to but another receiver with the needed pre outs. On the receiver what is that metal piece going into the "Speakers Front" around the 11:45 video mar. I am not an expert and still learning.
Good question. Maybe the only drawbacks would be the adapters are not in a case or chassis. And the speaker terminals on the adapter are small so you are limited on the gauge of the speaker wire you use to connect. Other than that nothing else I can think of. Thanks for watching
I know this comment is old. With this method (or any line output converter), the receiver's internal amplifier is still being used to output audio. The adapter uses resistors to attenuate the signal. The pre outs on a receiver pulls the signal from the preamp stage of the internal circuit instead of the power stage. Hence the term "pre out" refers to preamp output. Using an avr with pre outs puts no load on the amplifier stage. This allows the avr to run cooler. Reducing the risk of thermal shutdown. The avr then becomes a processor only. Of course, you can still connect speakers to channels that are not routed through the pre outs. LCR pre outs to an external amp for those channels and run surrounds off the avr. More flexibility options.
Holy crap. 30 centuries. You must be very old now. Tell me, what is the audio future like 300 years from now? Hopefully I’m not still doing RU-vid vids because I know I’m not that good at it.
I just realized if you connect the adapter to the speaker outputs in the back of the AVR, it already went through the internal amp of the receiver. Then you connect to the adapter then to the input of the external amp. If I am wrong please correct me
Hey I was wondering, if you use this it still runs the internal amp in the av receiver right? I push loud volume so I’ve been having a hard time finding a stereo with a good internal amp so I recently got a 12 channel amp that will do up to 150W rms. But if I were to crank up the av receiver would it not still get hot and go into protection mode as the internal amp is still pushing power? Thank you!
Yes it still runs the internal amp for other channels. I originally had it set up for just my front mains and my center and rears ran off the receiver still. As far as a I know the receiver should be fine cranked up with the amp connected, like you said the power is coming from the amp but I guess any amp or receiver can shutdown if it gets pushed too much but I’ve ran mine pretty loud and for a couple hours and no issues. Hope that helps and thanks for watching and commenting.
Oh I see. That would be difficult being an equalizer usually requires the signal of the source first like a cd player or turntable then to a receiver or stereo. Sorry I couldn’t help you more.
You’ll definitely need to go into your settings and adjust the DB for your speakers, if your receiver allows that. Your basx must be a lot stronger than your receiver.
i have a question, if you want to hook up a receiver without preout to an amp do you nee3d to change the signal voltage to microvolts or simply just have the rca adapters. i have some speaker wire to rca connection adapters that dont do anything to the signal strength, can I simply use the adapters to plug into my amp or do i need to change the signal voltage as well? is that what the adapter youre using does or is it simply just a connection fitting adapter? thank you, great video btw, i found it very helpful
You just need the rca adapter. You shouldn’t need to change any voltage at all. I haven’t used any other device so I can’t say for sure it would work but others have told me they used car adapters that worked so it could work for you. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching
But you loose the power from the reciever? Wanting to bi amp. Reciever running the high end and external amplifier running the low end. Don't look possible with this device. Once you run your speaker wire out from your reciever? Or could you use the B channel for this device and still get sound out of the A channel. I have questions. Anybody got some out there?
No you don’t lose the power from the receiver. It’s just redirected. As far as bi-amping, I think your best bet is using b channels. I haven’t used b channels in a while the only issue that might be there is if your going for true Atmos or Dolby, the b channels might shut off or not allow for true surround sound. But I think it’s an interesting concept you got there. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching
I assume so. The only thing would be the speaker signal is not a dedicated lfe signal but should still work and add bass to your overall sound. Hope that helps and thanks for watching
So, if your fronts are hooked up to the preamp and they're hooked up to the receiver, will receiver still distribute the signal regularly in surround sound?
Yes it will or at least it should I know some older receivers (12yrs and beyond) may shut down the other channels but in every situation I’ve used and others told me the channels stay active. Thanks for watching
So can I use these to adapt powered studio monitors to my reciever since I don't have pre outs? Would like to use studio monitors for my surround sound system.
@@Audiolympian one more question if you don't mind, because there is four speaker wire ports and 2 rca outs does that mean I could power two monitors by plugging in the speaker wire ports into front l and front r on reciever and 1 rca to each speaker? Thanks alot for the replies.
A few people have asked that before. I would say yes you possibly can but I can’t say how well it works because I’ve never done it. The biggest concern I always have with car products is they are not designed for 15amp / 120 volts and 1500watts. Just designed for car voltages. I don’t recommend using them but they could work though
@Rhim302 sorry to hear that. To my knowledge there isn’t another way, however some people have mentioned that they tried using a car amp converter. I don’t typically recommend them because they are not designed for the voltage and wattage and may not be the best option but perhaps it could be a short term solution.
Is this the only adapter I could use or could I use a line level converter for a car as long as one end has speaker wires and the other end has rca jacks?.
I’ve had a few others ask that question before. It seems possible but my concern would be car audio devices are designed for 12v not 120v. I think it would fry up. But it may be possible I’ve never tried it. Thanks for watching
Thanks. They shouldn’t. I use 5 of them in two different systems and they’ve all worked great for me. However I have had some people tell me when they hooked them up receivers or amps went in to protection mode but I don’t the details of their wiring, receivers or amps and speakers. But nobody ever said their systems were damaged just that it didn’t work but again I’m not sure how they hooked it up, could have crossed something. Thanks for watching
@@Audiolympian wow thats funny I hooked it up twice to my onkyo 6500 using a marantz mm9000 and same thing happened to me went into amp check then it went into speaker check and then powered off and I thought it was me but I'm positive I hooked it up right. So I was thinking of buying a different amp and trying it again but I really didn't wana go thru the whole return policy thing sending the amp back taking 5 days and waiting 10 days for a refund on a credit card. Hmmm maybe I'll just pass on it.
@@bigguy1403 that sucks man. The only thing I think can cause that is the receivers are not capable of handling a different ohm load from the amp, thus no amp preouts. Im gonna do some testing to maybe see what can cause this.
@@Audiolympian that would be awesome bro thank you...hope to hear back from you..and it's funny when I called onkyo tec dept they say they never heard of the russound system I'm like really bro...
So...i listen to alot of music. I have an 80wpc pioneer elite. Does adding a 100 watt 2 channel amp make a big difference in sound, or just volume levels?
It Depends on the amp. A good amplifier amplifies sounds not just volume. So you should be able to hear more ambient sounds along with extended volume. For music the instruments should sound more clear and present in the sound stage. And the vocals should be more robust and lively as if the singer is in the room. A 100 watt amp should be a noticeable difference over the receiver. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching.
Yes but when I called on it they told me they are compatible down to 4 ohms. And I did confirm that using them with my Sonus Fabre speakers. Thanks for watching
@@Audiolympian OK, thanks. BTW someone recommended a PAC SNI-35. They are transformer based (which is better than using just resistors - distortion wise) and they are inexpensive on Amazon.
@@Audiolympian Just be sure it meets your needs. Considerations include speaker impedance and whether or not a remote wire is supported. Some are intended more for car rather than home stereos. Take care!
Did anybody out there have trouble with this I hooked this up exactly exactly the right way and and it blew out the right side channels of my amp. Does anybody have any comments
If I were to connect this to a 2 channel receiver, would I still be able to power 4 speakers no problem or would there be less power going to the speakers?
As long as your using an external amp with it and depending which kind it shouldn’t break down the power too much. So you should be good. Thanks for watching
Yes. It says that because most digital amplifier don’t have rca connections, that’s why. Most of your class D amps are digital and the common digital amp used for home stereo or theater is Crown. As long as the amp has rca has interconnects it will work with it.
In theory I think it could. Other people have asked that question but I think one of the problems that might come up, is the automotive converter in designed for 12 volts not 120 v. It might fry. But I haven’t tried it so I couldn’t say for certain
@@Audiolympian I have one that doesn't need external power 12v or 120, it just connects to the high level output and converts it to low level, I'm going to try it out this weekend to see if it works out🙏
Hi there...I liked your video... i have a query .....I have onkyo nr656 7.1 channel av receiver and i am running all 7.1 and i feel that my central channel klipsch rp440c need more power. so can i use same adapter to make pre out for my central channel. also please advise if i can use power amplifier or integrated stereo amp to increase power for my central channel.
Hello. Thanks for watching. Yes you can use this adapter for your center channel. I’m not sure about the use of an integrated amp. It’s possible through the use of the rca cable. But I haven’t tried it. Good luck. If you try it I’d like to know the results
Probably. Just not sure if the pa speaker would require a lot more gain and voltage and burn out the adapter. As long as you don’t over drive it I think it should work. Thanks for watching
Hi Jason. Happy to help. The speaker cables go from the receiver to the adapter front. Then from the adapter rear, the rca cables go from the adapter to the amp. Hope that helps. I have a part 2 of this video on my channel that shows a better set up if you’d like to watch that also. Thanks for watching
I actually own a Pioneer VSX 523 and it looks to be very similar to the one you have there in the video. I heard you mention that you're able to change this setting for the OHM....... Would you be able to tell me exactly how is it that you do that?
Sure. Use the remote and go into the menu then to speaker configure, there it has an option to pick your ohm setting. It should show it at the default setting which is usually 8
@@Audiolympian ok cool I will have to try that and see. I did purchase this receiver recently off of marketplace and unfortunately it has no remote so I have to buy one on eBay. I should be fine as it is because I'm running two duel 4 ohm 15" Legacy subwoofers wired to 8 ohm in a vintage MTX home audio box that has the mids and tweeters in it from the original. I just replaced the subs as they were old and starting to go out. The subs are duel 4 ohm like I said and have the wired to take an 8 ohm load with a factory crossover inside to protect the mids and highs. The subs actually read as 3.5 ohm per voicecoil for a total of 7 ohm on each sub but no subwoofer is EVER going to read its exact stated ohm. So with that said I'll probably just keep it at 8 ohm as you will actually lose power by dropping down to 6 ohm from all the forums I read. And I was going to ask you, with your Pioneer receiver do you notice how you have to turn the volume up to about 50 before you really start to hear the music at a decent level? Maybe its because I'm just running the two main front L and R instead of having the complete 5.1 surround plugged in with it? Just was gonna ask your take on that.
@@thomasfitzgerald2595 sounds like you got a cool set up. Yes I do have to turn my pioneer receiver volume up to get good sound but the sound is pretty fantastic when I do, better than my Onkyo.
@@Audiolympian well I'm still in the process of obtaining a few more things but when all is done yes I hope to have a very nice setup that any audiophile would appreciate. My main receiver is my Marantz SR7005 and all my speakers are Premier Acustic.
im running 5.1 if I wanted my front stage to get more juice but my older Yamaha doesnt have preouts how would I use this product because it looks like its only 2 channels
Correct, one adapter is for two channels. For a 5.1 you’ll need 3 adapters and just don’t use one of the channels. That’s how I have it on my system. Hope this helps and thanks for watching
@@aneedkassim9727 you just use plain speaker wire to connect the adapter to the speaker terminals on the receiver. Then on the other side of the adapter use an rca cable to the amplifier. I’ve got another video coming showing a better diagram of the hookup and using multiple adapters
Not sure what you’re asking. But for the adapters I use basic 16 gauge speaker wire because the input connection on the adapter is small. So speaker wire goes from the receiver to the adapter then an rca cable to the external amp. Then, more speaker wire from the amp to the speakers. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching
Iam confused how are you running the wire . You got a wire coming into the speaker and Reciver plus this ?? Can make a another video showing the viewers step by step ??I wanted to see how you connect it . I know the other cable goes into the Amp into preout section.
Maybe I can give you a better explanation, speaker wire goes from the receiver to one end of the adapter, then you connect the rca cable from the adapter to the amplifier, from there you connect speaker wire from the amplifier to the speakers. Hope this helped.
Question: I have tried to connect everything according to the video and still nada 🙁. Speaker wire from receiver to the white and green, speaker into the red and black, rca Jack's from the input to the part. Does that sound right?
@@gilbertorivera2011 oh yeah for some reason I’ve been told the Pyle amps have some difficulty with connections. Some guys have told me they got it to work but I don’t know how they made it work. I’ve used them with Emotiva, Sunfire, carver, Parasound, Rotel, and Marantz amps. They’ve always worked for me.
Honestly not sure. You certainly can try it. But the device is designed for amps. But maybe you can find a new use for it. Keep me posted, I’d like to know
I’m not familiar with that amp, so I looked it up and it seems to be more of professional audio gear rather than home theater gear. You’re right, no rca input. There is always going to be difficulty blending the two types of gear together. Sorry the best I can recommend is purchase an actual home theater amp. Crown makes a home theater amp very similar to the qsc and they’re fairly inexpensive
@@brianbekken6439 wow those are good speakers. I’d first suggest an amp but to answer your question, of course Denon and Marantz receivers do well. Personally I’m more of a fan of Anthem, Sunfire, Rotel, Emotiva and Yamaha makes a good receiver as well. Also depends on your budget. Hope that helps.
@@Joeluv999 hmmmm. You not the first to tell me the crown amps seem to be a bit twitchy with this adapter. Although it shouldn’t be. I’ve used it with about 4 different amps and they’ve all worked. Emotiva, Sunfire, rotel, ps audio. Let me see what I can find for you.
Hi! Now I am a bit confused? Use of the ADP 1.2, as per peter SZ's comments from a year ago, mean that despite hooking u a separate amp to an AVR that does not have pre-outs that the power from the separate amp is not used? Or is it only used to drive the front mains/center channel while the AVR drives the rear surrounds? I have older Yamaha AVR's (HTR-6130 and HTR-5063) so am hoping I can use the ADP 1.2 to connect an external amp since neither of those HTR's have pre-outs? Thanks.
@@Audiolympian Ok so then I don't really understand what PeterSZ talks about 1 yr ago on this page. Anyways: yesterday u replied to a question and recommended Parasound as an external amm. There is a Parasound P/SP-1000AV Processor/amplfier for sale near me for $300 Cdn? I am also looking at gettting the Denon AVR-2802ci as, I think, it has pre-outs for separate amp hook-up.....price is $175 Cdn. Thoughts? Thanks.
@@andrewborbas9356 if you only going to run stereo or maybe 5.1 and 7.1 and they are good condition those work well together. I have the denon 2802 as well, still works great. I always ask for $10 less, never hurts and the worst is they say no.
Good question. I’m not sure. The biggest difference I can think of is car audio equipment is designed to handle 12 volts where home equipment is designed for 115 volts. So a car adapter might burn out being it wouldn’t have strong enough capacity. But you certainly can give it a shot. Thanks for watching
For some reason those outputs don’t work that good specifically the zone 2 preout. Not sure why. But the regular preouts should work connecting directly to an external amp. Hope that helps and thanks for watching
To the normal rca input on the amp. In my case my amplifier has the rca inputs listed as fronts, center and rears. So my initial set up was just to my front left and front right inputs until I got two more adapters. Thanks for watching
@@M0D60 seems like your using an integrated amp or receiver, I’m not sure how that would work. Regular solid state amps don’t have input options like phono or cd. However in your case I’d try the auxiliary input. And see if that works
@@Audiolympian My Denon AVR540 is loaded with a Bose Cube 5.1 w Surround. In addition I want it to add a pair of 401Bose speakers and a pair of small pioneer. I have no preout so I want to get me an amplifier so I can add this other 2 pair of speakers. So I will need two ADP?
That sounds like a cable issue. Could be the rca cables or the speaker wires. I always try to use some decent quality cables to help with transference and minimize interference. Also depends on the age of the receiver and type of amps.
Yep any receiver that has speaker outputs can use this adapter. There are many good preamps out there you really can’t go wrong with any Option. But to answer your question I’d go with a used Denon or Marantz because they have better processing than other models at all price points and most of the time they come with more features. Thanks for watching and subscribing
@@Audiolympian thanks for your response. Just got a question: i have yamaha rxv385b 5.1 I would like to add another subwoofer using RCA splitter. Is this a good idea? Is it possible?
@@mkhaudio sorry. I’m not that familiar with that sub. However I have had a couple Yamaha subs a long time ago and they were pretty good sounding for the price and at only 100 watts. I would imagine their technology is better today. I did read a review on that sub and a pretty good review showing for budget subs. The only down side it said was the lack of controls on the back. Other than that it was fairly solid. Thanks for watching
I want to connect PA speakers pioneer stereo receiver but I don’t think doesn’t have pre-out do I need a special device connected to my receiver and then connect to speakers
@@jadeerechillin it should. The only thing I would say is the signal may not be solely low frequency unless your sub output allows for speaker wire not just RCA cable. But if your ok with that then it should work. Hope that helps, thanks for watching
@@Audiolympian my receiver is only high level out and the plate amp is for sub with low pass frequency control and only rca input , so will it be OK for low bass as don't want high frequency coming through sub , thanks for reply
