Hey Everyone! I know a lot of players are having trouble decoding large files such as monster on chrome. I recommend using Firefox for this. (you will notice that I do for monster file) A bigger file such as items config cant be done in a browser and I had to do it on my machine using a protobuf decoder I found on github. Its a bit more advanced for the casual person.
Thanks for all your content! Amazing videos! I have a request for you if you are interested in, since i've been trying to find out information about it and no one has simply bothered to make this. You know the General leveling EXP through Sub-City farming, where you use Sieges only to get 0 deaths each time... No1 has made a table with how many sieges required for the new players! So this should basically have the minimum sieges needed to clear White/Green/Blue Sub Cities without having all these boosts for sieges or these ridiculous numbers (for a new player) of Sieges... When a new player sees one of these videos and they say "here i will use 100k tier 12 sieges and another 50k tier 11 sieges to get 0 deaths from a blue subcity"... its so much overkill and very confusing as to whats the actual min-requirements are. Thanks again for all your content!
Keep in mind that these are client side files that are most likely primarily used for UI purposes on the game client (as well as determining if you are able to do something on the client before sending the request to the server, which will have the ultimate say on whether you can do said request). The server side code and data is what really matters as far as the mechanics go.
As was mentioned in the comments, those phone files may not be the final word on "Evony Math" They probably are NOT. It is safe to assume that Evony's developers are inputting "fixes" and "modifiers" on the back end to simplify their overall coding work. It is not safe to assume those files are the final word in how the "Evony Math" will finally be calculated. Which means the values are not Absolutes just because they are part of a base stat in the phone files. After Battle results demonstrate the real and actual math that has occurred. You need to focus more on that to determine what's really going on and why. Keep posting, love your work.
I have been contemplating the Skill books for some time now. Thanks for all your work and BTW, 😉 👍 Nastro Atlaz 1063, that was a fun Battlefield we had with one another.
Hopefully getting this information out will break down the unknowns. I always enjoy a Battlefield that has a challenge. You seem like you have a really fun alliance
There one thing you need to take into account. Those files might have been useful in the past, but nowadays all battle calculations are done in the backend, at Evony’s servers, so those values and information might not be the ones used for the calculations or might be outdated.
@@youtubiuttoni this video originally had those battles in it but it was looking like it would be an hour long so I only focused on decoding. My next video will show these mechanics working. I might start streaming live tests too in hopes that it will help players understand.
This is a great video!! I am keeping track of my RSS in a spreadsheet now, and I noticed that if there is the number in game files, I can calculate it from here. If you know any hints about it, I looking forward to the video. By the way, I tried OCR, but the reading error was so bad that I gave up...
Yes. Though it is a bit advanced. I don't know if Evony has things in place that will punish you and I am unsure of what kind of benefits you can get from it. But yes, it is possible. But I have only seen visual affects changed (such as names/words/ect.)
Hi, Do you have any information about killing Boss Monsters and Event Monsters with 0 wounded, like how many troops needed, which level and what type of troops for each monsters?
I'm actually making a video on that now. I have a full calculator that you can input your buffs and desired monster to kill and it will give you the exact number of troops needed
Hey Derrik... great work decoding those files!!! What about changing the values on those files?.... I mean in theory you could change the rss required to build troops or building in your account.... is that possible?
Its something that I thought of as well. But if you succeeded, it would certainly be something Evony would ban you if they caught on. So my suggestion would not to experiment with it on your main account.
@@DerrickDefies Just wanted to jump on this. I have changed values before (not this method but through reading the way data is stored in RAM) - it will only change locally, so once you refresh your game the values will sync back up to the server (and during this time if a player was to scout you it would be the server values, not the values on your phone). Can make for some funny trolling though when you send a screenshot into alliance chat with 100 trillion each resource lol
Okay I’m just catching up. In your damage formula, the attack in denominator is it the attackers attack or defenders attack value? Concerning speed books; in my first build my defence reports improved vastly when I added the speed books. Unfortunately, I no longer have those reports. Now my siege wall got annihilated by a siege rally in SVS and Battlefield. Now if mounted would behave as you say they will passing the ground and moving to the siege first my wall may have held up. But I’ve already dismissed most of the wall and refining for t1 ground.
Attack is the attacking troops stat. Defense/ Hp is the defending troop. If you ever find a battle report of before and after a speed skillbook that has a significant difference, please let me know, I would love to see it.
Thanks dude. Ok so I started playing with the formula to determine which buffs were most beneficial (let’s just say Nero is sexy). But my question is; I went thru some siege rally’s I took and started rearranging and designing with your formula. Now I found that it would have taken 5/6 rounds for the entire rally to clear my t1 siege. The rally was stopped at t12 archers. So 13/14 rounds to t1; 5/6 rounds to clear them then 2 more rounds. That’s 20/22 rounds. Does that make sense? Now the reason I dismissed a bunch is because how many rounds does it take for a t1 Siege to reach T13 siege? The t1’s never counter attacked once. Now I know pyramiding with reins does not work with mounted and archer. My t 2 mounted were killed with no counter attack so it took until round 13/14 for the t1’s to come in range of the archers.
@@GhostHiker166 T1 siege is unlikely to ever reach the T13 siege of an attacker. The reason for this is that they won't move up until a more preferred target such as Archers are within their Effective range. And those T13 siege will likely never be in their effective range Yes, enemy siege will target your low tier siege, so you would not want to make too many T4/T3/T2 (though T1 may be cost effective, I need to do the math on that) These low tier troops are mostly used to kill the ground layers enemies send at you. As for your other claims, it would be much easier if you save the reports and share them with me. I will start streaming soon and help players read their reports a bit more accurately. I think there might be something you could be misinterpreting. (its very easy to miss variables, trust me)
Without a ring your T13/T14 siege will have 1400 range + 20 from the skillbook. Add the additional 75 speed and your siege will only have an effective range of 1495 which is 5 units away from being able to reach the archer tower in the first turn. I recorded a video explaining this, but ultimately decided to make this a "decode only" video as it was already quite long. I will post another video with battles explaining this in more detail.
Does anyone know what kind of device or phone the spec that this games requires realistically. Because it uses memory and is very slow on a mid range device. Everything is slow..screen change map to castle battles Everything.
Im not a software coder or anything, so I may be way off base, but when you were looking at the speed increase lines at the end, the D0-06 and E0-06 or whatever (that that showed the reduced value for archers) seemed show as zero, or 2 for mounted and ground. Are those lines not conveying the same info for mounted/ground as they do for range? Cause if they are. That means the books add zero, or 2 😂
I have not looked into this very much, but it is something I thought about attempting. If I do, I surely will make a video on it. Its difficult to be competitive if you don't even know what they are measuring.
@DerrickDefies, I do not have a significant amount of coding knowledge, but if i look at this troop file and compare it to something you noted in the video, i believe the building level value in the troop file relates to the building where you can create them (8, 9, 10, etc in the file) comparing it to the building file you decoded which you likely confirmed that building 1 is the keep. The more i think about it... i wonder if the building code value is related to the order in which you are allowed to build these buildings, starting from the tutorial?
I am surprised the troop file does not have a code somewhere in that file for arsenal, where you can upgrade troops. Perhaps that's in a different file somewhere
I wonder. Does the zombie march work the same way, too? It always irks me that I can take on millions zombie troops with less than a quarter strong force.
I believe they do, though I havent tested it fully. Some things to keep in mind is that barbarians and undead marches wont have extra range for siege and archers. This means that your troops will vastly out range them. Also (at least with barbs) there is a much more generous wounded to survival ratio. Also Also, remember that undead marches dont have proper layers and it can make an insane difference.
I recently had undead event and forgot I had moved koryo bracers off my wall gen. I kept getting wounded t11 siege. I have siege range books but as soon as I put bracers back on no wounds.
I think you are wrong about how ground speed will break the game because they can't reach archers anyway if there is ground and mounted troops in defense. But video is amazing and thank you for your time and sanity invested :D
Mounted units will run past archers to kill siege and ground will run past mounted to kill archers if they are within the Effective range of them (Speed + Range) Currently, you rarely see it. Though it does happen in cases were troops get staggered in the battle. There was a battle report that confused me for a long time where a player's T1 mounted wall stayed alive, but a ground march killed all his siege and archers. If ground had 420+50 Effective range, they will more frequently be able to bypass ground and mounted to attack archers. I plan on making a video of that battle report soon as it was something that I though about for weeks. Troops being able to run past other troops surprised me as well, so I completely understand the disbelief.
@@DerrickDefies Oh man, this game is insane. I was planning to make ground wall, t1 cavs and tons of archers as main defense force but now I am confused. If you are right a lot of strategies are just bad. From your story maybe troops prioritize tiers of troops, that's why maybe they ignored t1 cavs or maybe in round 2 they had range to attack sieges and archers after killing all enemy ground troops in first round. Your battle report is hiding maybe something valuable.
For those of us like yourself who are students of the game more so than just being players that was very entertaining. After I saw your first video and then John Wicks breakdown I went back to the original and there was a lightbulb moment. My enjoyment of the game has a large part with stacking the efficiencies to try and best use the resources acquired in it. You have taken this along with Moonfire to an order of magnitude I didn't contemplate existed. Then you showed how we have been being lied to....🤯 mindblowing. We have touched on some of these in game theory chat. I humbly respect the delivery of your message to whoever will listen. The fact that all of the player's that really study this stupid puzzle game and don't talk down to others is not praised enough. From Comander Z, Dana, Tae, Wick, Oz, X wing, and even BK proves there are still decent people out there. Even in a game that can wipe out huge investments of time and money. Hats off, and your work is GREATLY APPRECIATED. Of course there is huge competition amongst us players and a freight train load of banter and trash talk. I am glad to be part of this adventure. And still C3 is the Gen X of Evony lol. We have seen it all. Thank you sir. Now off to get my hammer and go pound the keyboard.
I'm interesting why you can debuff monster attach and def, but not hp, why your defence doesn't matter anything to boss, makes defence against monster book totally useless in any case
I think Evony does allow you to debuff monster HP because it would be too powerful. As for why defense seems useless against them, it has to do with monsters having a very high base attack. Defense works best against units with low attack such as siege. But this is a very good point to bring up in a future video.
Sure would like to see the +defense stat exposed, through testing we know +defense against monsters does nothing, I am guessing in PVP +defense does nothing as well, it is just a placebo effect. Perhaps we could see if and how much defense is required to have any affect or if it is even turned on.
Defense is used in the following formula For each layer, troops do the following damage #of troops x Troop modifier x Attack² / (Attack + Defender's Defense) Divide the Defender's HP by this number to determine the number of wounded. The reason Defense doesn't seem like it does much against monsters is their absurdly high Attack is barely reduced by the small defense stat of the troops. Defense is more effective against lower attack stat units. I hope that helps explain.
If a player chooses not to use a speed book on their wall that’s one thing but when adding books to main attacking gen and assistant you have 5 things you can put for PvP ; attack, defense, hp, march size and speed book For the 6th option people can choose regular speed, luck or monster books Basically I don’t know why regardless of opinion why a player would not opt into a speed book for PvP And all players have so many that they can choose to rotated them as needed from just monsters to pure PvP for boc or svs
I agree that having 6 options for attacking makes you start running out of skillbooks to use. Obviously spenders can replace their speed books with debuffs. I replaced mine with Ground/ Mounted HP in hopes that it would keep my layers alive a little longer. For defense, it makes other skillbooks are much more viable.
