Bart loves himself a Euro. I've never encountered these guys, as I play online mostly, so I find these descriptions hilarious. As someone who's lived in Europe, I can totally imagine the type.
I absolutely agree that if you are out of position your options are to move in or fold, however the way I have always played it is similar to his thinking. If at that point he only has 1100 left and the caller is going to call any river bet, I would rather shove because if the CO has a Broadway draw he is getting good pot odds and will likely call getting 4 to 1 and you force him to put in the extra 1100. I understand that by just calling the turn he may check the river and then you can bet in position and he may fold but in this situation I think I would play it exactly the way the caller did given that your opponent is an aggressive euro pro. Again as Bart said because of the small three about sizing the guy may be in with two pair and I would have raised much bigger on my three bet but at this point I would probably do what the caller did.
While this analysis made good sense, and will hopefully affect future similar decisions for me. I'm with you and the caller in how I would apparently not maximally play it. Live and learn and eventually apply?
I am surprised Bart didn't mention a consideration of flatting pre. Even with an offsuit hand, I feel our EV should be higher by allowing the stations to overcall with weak Ax, Qx, etc. and playing IP.
@@dblackoutx No because somebody else would bet & you wouldn't be getting reraised to oblivion when all you got is piddly ass top pair smh... Jesus fuck
3-3.5x 3bet PF. Bet 1/3 flop, call check raise, and call the rest off on turn. Or the best line is to check back flop to disguise your A. Make him confident OOP with a weaker A and increase his bluff frequency on the turn and river. You have the Qs which is perfect blocker for the check back on this flop.
Great thoughts Bart. With the Turn All In, he could have not realized an additional $1K+ from a strong amounts of the opponent's range. The Call Call optimizes the return potential. Excellent analysis.
My plan is to call off, and 3 streets on some runouts. If he has TT, AT, or 55, so be it. On 7s, I call the turn with 2nd nut spade draw. Don’t like shoving the turn. I prefer call-call-gotta keep his bluffs in.
The call call in position could result in a brick river where a missed draw decides to give up due to not having enough of a bet size to blow hero off hand though right?
Any merit folding on the flop? Assuming hero was perceived as a recreational player by the villain (usually Recs have hard times folding pretty hands like AQ AK regardless the board texture, hence making it less likely for the villain to bluff with total air)
What about, call turn, evaluate a Jam/check on the River and mentalize a call/Jam from the hero trying to fold a better A's or even AT with the flush on board having the Q spades
Another comment -- I find a lot of these weird check raises on A-high boards are often 2 pair+ or a good straight/flush/combo draw. I've encountered some weird testy bluffs before with absolutely nothing, but generally find that to be rare. I typically make quick decisions in poker unless there's a jam or big river bet. I find snap betting and calling communicates information that slows bluffs down and doesn't hinder strong holdings.
@@cameronandrew1853 It was a likely Squeeze ISO. Cut off could have easily had QJ suited, KT suited, KJ suited, KQ suited, A8 suited, A9, AJ, 33,44,55,66, etc, that squeezing, ISO ing the limped in DEAD MONEY, to try to SCOOP that preflop. Facing that possibility, probability, a AQ off 3 bet, was good, ok, and the only bad thing about it, was the 2.5 x 3 bet size, as about 3.65+ x 3 bet size would have been better. AQ was a top of cut off's holding. If you would have folded AQ off pre, YOUR A NIT.
Wynn 5/10 uncapped is the Toughest game in Vegas. It used to be my bread and butter, played there for a living for a while. Until all the Euros invaded the place.
Is this never ever a fold on the turn? I mean AQ is pretty much the weakest hand villain could have here for value. He can have alot of flush and two pair combos. I dont see too many hands we beat on the turn except maybe KJo. And KJo is also a pretty aggressive to raise on the flop. I just dont think we will beat villain very often on the turn.
Villain's line makes no sense and when the turn changes the nuts so heavily and we block combo draws, I'm inclined to believe it's a bluff most of the time. Hero can easily have KQ of spades, AK with king of spades, pocket Tens, KJ of spades, QJ of spades, and so when the flush comes in and villain continues to put a lot of money in it seems like such a spazzy play. I wouldn't even think turn bet can be considered thin value betting as it's so hard to get called by worse unless hero is A) 3betting with AJo preflop and calls the check raise on the flop and has the Jack of spades on turn or... well, that's actually the only worse hand that might call turn bet.
you should be MUCH more inclined to call down in spots like this when youre playing in a new game with higher stakes and (presumably) tougher opponents than youre used to playing at your regular stakes. even more so if villain knows or suspects you are new to the game and are playing a bit above your head. i agree that the turn jam is pretty bad. id maybe like it more if you didnt have a spade but given that you can call literally any river card with a spade in your hand just call turn and inevitable river shove. keep his bluffs in.
Caller had a bit of flaw in his logic, he seemed to think opponent might triple barrel bluff and he'd fold. What? If opponent is cabable of doing it, just call down (especially after that turn, there is nothing too scary left in the deck!). Still, funnily enough the way hero played was perfect for this one time, he literally freerolled opponent by having the spade draw!
All in and a call on turn the all in will aways show first on river period. There isn't a poker that doesn't do it that way. People are getting it mixed up with if it goes bet and call on turn then check check. That's where poker rooms have different rules
😂😂😂just joking w u btw but Fr recreational players don’t give a hoot and a holler, the dude described his results in this $5-$10 as “about 50/50 so far” does that sound like someone worried ab EV😭
not the best player in the world, but I would have jammed after his check raise on the flop... my thinking is that he's just doubting that I have an ace... Sure he would have folded and at least a small pot would have been profit...
