How to improve braided line? 

Couldn't put it together any better.👌 Thanks

@@AndrewsKnotsyes you could put it together better Andrew. This argument uses false equivalency, PTFE is a forever chemical that never breaks down, all the examples of pollution above are of degradable hydrocarbons or even gases which is a bizarre comparison. None of the hydrocarbons listed above are forever chemicals. Secondly there’s a logic trap set that is easy to fall into, that is because there are greater pollutants around adding one more just won’t matter. You can see already the fallacy of this as a reason to disregard this forever chemical.

Your 2 cents worth is worth, 2 cents, here’s the other 98 cents. Two fatal flaws in your argument, false equivalency and an illogical conclusion. It is simply not a fair comparison to put up hydrocarbon pollution and carbon monoxide (exhaust fumes) as an equivalent to PTFE pollution. Hydrocarbons are not “forever chemicals” but PTFE and its ‘neighbours’ (PFAS) are “forever chemicals”, they never break down, ever. “PTFE is one of the best-known and widely applied PFAS commonly described as persistent organic pollutants or "forever chemicals".” The danger of persistent organics is that they find their way into the food chain and stay there forever, they bio accumulate from plants and microorganisms being eaten by larger organisms which, in turn, are consumed by more animals higher in the food chain, each time they ‘step up’ in the food chain their concentration grows. A large fish taken from the top of the food chain has accumulated all the chemicals in tiny amounts until the amounts become carcinogenic or otherwise toxic. The supposedly comparable pollutants you mentioned don’t do that. At some point they degrade or they simply cannot be transported up the food chain. “Fish (or other aquatic animals) that live in PFAS-contaminated waters may contain PFAS. In some instances, if you consume too much fish from PFAS-contaminated waters, you may exceed the Tolerable Daily Intakes for PFOS, PFOA and PFHxS.” In simple terms, the old argument of ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’ applies. It is not logical to feel vindicated to add another pollutant because others exist. As I’ve shown the forever chemicals are more dangerous in tiny amounts than some other pollutants in larger amounts. The dramatic evolution of battery technology and possibly hydrogen as an energy source will eventually do away with hydrocarbons in the boating industry. After which their pollutants will leave the ecosystem but the forever chemicals will stay forever waiting for additional molecules to add to their position in the biomass. The history of PTFE has been a troubled one and in its various forms it has been proven to be carcinogenic and each time legislation has had to be enacted to prevent its use. The spinoff company of DuPont’s, Chemours, makes PTFE and its formulation has changed a few times to try and eliminate the carcinogenic compounds. In its current form it is claimed to be non toxic to humans. A claim that has been made a few times over the decades until this was found to be false and the compounds changed. I would hate to see a future where the current PTFE is following in the footsteps of its forbears. Whether it is safe to add to the water now is unknown but its chemical composition will still find its way into the food chain due to its almost indestructible chemical bonds.

Awesome, thank you!

Glad it helped! Just make sure line dries out before casting out 👌

Thanks for sharing.

Hope you like it!

No problem!

Thank you!

Always welcome!

NP.

Thanks.

Glad to hear it!

Can't comment on this.

From what you said, I can easy recommend looking at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JIxmhzHJuY8.html You will enjoy using it and it's not super expensive either! I have 2 of them.. 👍 Cheers

Never heard of it but probably it's a valid idea. Will have to try it at some point 👍 Thanks

hi jk. does it help prevent wind knots?

@@anacitogapoy8823 it does Andy yes, the stiffer the braid the less likely it is to tangle.

@@jk-zf8eo Thank you

Cheers.

I would not advice to spray anything directly into the water..

Try it.

Will consider trying it.

I've used WD-40 as an attractant for Rainbow Trout for years when I lived in Nevada. It actually worked so well that it became outlawed because certain lakes couldn't get stocked fast enough. So yeah, it works.

This stuff dries out fast, so, I don't think it will be a problem. I can't comment on the Kairiki BUT most braids are more similar than different (Dyneema based) and I tried on 3 or 4 different ones with good results. 👌

@@AndrewsKnots thanks i will try this stuff out and check the diference it makes thanks for the great video

Andrew does the PTFE spray make the braid float or sink any different to normal ?

I have plenty of videos about different types of rods. Thanks

@@AndrewsKnots yeah Andrew I’ve been watching all your videos since subscribing !! Thankyou for replying also and means allot 🎣🎣😀😀

Yes. It may depend on current stiffness of your line. This stuff stiffens a bit further. All my braids do work better once coated..

@@AndrewsKnots thankyou! As a fellow trent angler I appreciate your tips and advice! Does the spray make the braid smoother?

Sure it will. 👌

@@AndrewsKnots thankyou

I can't see the point of using it on mono and wouldn't do it myself.

Thanks

@@AndrewsKnots Sorry, a follow-up question. I see on RU-vid that carp anglers pour water on the spool before starting the session. Would that not be sufficient lubrication for braid?

Hey, I will work and you will be surprised with the difference in many ways! For me personally J-braid used to be a nightmare when it comes to wrap-arounds the tip. Just make sure it dries before casting out 👌 Cheers

Daiwa j braid is 💩 Berkley whiplash ftw

Yes, absolutely 👌

Thank you 👍

This PTFE is better and does not wear out as quick.

Is it this i.ebayimg.com/images/g/W4MAAOSwS-Va3ypq/s-l1600.jpg ? How well it works (your general conclusion/impression)? Cheers

Andrew's Knots - no it’s not that, it’s called Inox m3, I’d post a link except I can’t on this device, but it’s a non petrochemical, lanolin based protective spray/lubricant that I use on everything that gets wet. I used to find a salty, stiffening buildup in the body of my braid, but not since I started using the Inox. I spray the interior of my tackle boxes with it too, hooks don’t rust, seems to keep everything flexible, non greasy and newish, but it could well be just a placebo effect too :)

@@rossmcleod7983 Inox products are pretty good. Yes, some i think are definitely food safe lubricants safe for food manufacturing industries.

I will have to try to obain some (so far couldn't quickly find UK retailer..). Thank you!

www.pendleslotracing.co.uk/inox-mx3-lubricant-spray-bottle-125ml.html Hey is this one? I'm using varivas for quite some time now, but the supply is missing lately and I need some alternatives. I'll prefer something not toxic if I can ofc.

No, I have not done any tests. With this PTFE stuff, braid lasts longer for me and also other properties are better as explained. That's enough for me.

@@AndrewsKnots GT85 would be better then.

​@@richardjones2811Whats different about GT85? Curious because it seems to have a "cult following" in the cycling world lol

I didn't notice it changing the buyoancy of the line. If it does, it's minimal.

@@AndrewsKnots thank you.

Oil floats on water .. so it might float better. Did you try it? I know I'm lagging here but I'm curious to know if it worked

I haven't tried it but on the can it says it's ok to be used on the rubber etc. 👌

Can't comment as I don't use Q8.

@@AndrewsKnots i found here our country liqui moly PTFE spray do think it's same that one WD40 PTFE? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dFRL18sPPrg.html

Check the reel first. Copper + Silicone. No no. 10m safe area. Chemical reaction. Copper + silicone meets air. Abaut one day and everything is green. Rust.

Just braid.

I've not. Thanks for the info.

I understand what you are saying BUT the actual PTFE amount in one can, which will last a year or so and the damage to the environment is probably much less than a few mile car drive to supermarket for grocecies shopping (not even talking about the plastic packaging). Also, line lasts much longer with the spray, so, less of it needed to procude etc.

I am not sure about other species, but I was surprised after years of avoiding sunscreen that bass can only smell things that are water soluble.

@@AndrewsKnots also you should mention that you ARE NOT spraying ptfe in to water. You spray it on the braided line, and it vaporises, leaving some oils to lube it.. so the text on the can about the toxicity is mentioned so stupid people would not throw this can in to the water...

No.

@@AndrewsKnots Thank you, good info to know

From time to time I search for lanolin based spray to try it out BUT here in the UK I can't find any at decent prices. As a result, still use WD40 PTFE. This WD40 PTFE still works it's magic on the braids.

@@AndrewsKnots Why would you even need that? With right fishing set up and everything balanced there should be no need for these gimmicks. I think this is unnecessary pollution. Safety data sheet says: Toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effects. Be better than this, stop using it on the waters. I know there are things that are more Toxic and pollutes In bigger scale, but why still choose something that is not necessary when you have the option to choose wisely and make even a small difference?

@@kimkuusela7960 Lures, rods, reels and even line among other manufacturer fishing items are made with toxic substances. Don't be a Karen.

You will like it! Just make sure it dries well before you cast out 👍

@@AndrewsKnots Jep 👍

Do you use biodegradable line and sinkers??

Thanks for sharing! Was wondering about all of this. KVD Line and Lure has bold claims about its proprietary polymers being non-toxic (and anectdotally people say it works well). From what i know about other industries that could just mean they made an insignificant molecular alteration to something known to be toxic just so theres no proof of it being toxic (yet). Ill probably stick with that - maybe less of it or less often or at the end of the day when it when it has a better chance to adhere (it claims no solvents so probably nothing to evaporate). I thought the video creator had a good point in the comments about line lasting longer being conversely positive for environment. Ill never be perfect but i dont want to support useless pollution. Another commenter mentioned raw potato but im afraid that would attract microorganisms aka get nasty. Now im looking into bees/parafin wax. Would be interested in your thoughts on KVD L&L and bees/parafin wax!

This stuff stiffens the line a bit, so, the tangles are less likely to happen even on baitcasters 👌

Fair enough. To my understand PTFE is fancier plastic. So, if we buy food which is wrapped in plastic which will end up in the ground or the ocean, then a few drops of this spray is nothing really. This stuff also will make braid last longer, so in return less braid will be produced (also wrapped on plastic spool).. At least that is my understanding. 👍

You should say that to the guys that make Berkley powder dough for trout. It's contain pvc powder. 🤣

mind share what the reason?

@@khairaamira6516 reason is simple. I just started second feeder season with my feeder that had new braid line year ago, now i tryed to fish, and i when i cast like 1 every 15th cast, i get weird thing that the line gets tangled against tip itself while casting, and it just "brakes off the cast" and when i real in it just magicaly un-tangles. THat was never never happen in my previous season, i was beleave that is something wrong with my fishing line, with is x4. So i will try this lube.

Glad it was helpful!

Can't comment re ceramic bearings.

ceramic has special lube you should use that.

As far as I noticed, it does not affect the buyoancy on the line. 👌

It will help there too.

Daiwa, Shimano, Okuma.

Andrew's Knots yeah I like all of them, my favorites are pflueger, diawa, and shimano. Okuma has some really good carp and saltwater reels

Daiwa Shimano Ryobi

It works quite the opposite for me..

This isn't ordinary wd40

No problem and thanks for sharing. Ecosystem safety was discussed many times already.

No.

Sure!

I do! 👍

Yeah, will shop around. Maybe will find it in the UK. Is it good?

Yes, WD40 PTFE is great! Agree with your statements 100%.

The WD in WD-40 stands for Water Displacement. So WD-40 is Water Displacement Formula No. 40. It was developed to displace water on the Atlas rocket. The outer skin was also the fuel tank. The cold fuel caused condensation and rusting. WD-40 fixed that problem.

Fyi for those who dont know, the wd40 brand ptfe dry lube in the video also displaces water (probably not quite as well). Proper Wd40 is a mix of solvent and light oil, but i think its risky to use around a reel (especially if not tightly sealed). The ptfe dry lube spray might technically have an evaporating solvent carrier but if so i think its less gnarly and much safer to use around bearings and line.

True.

Fair enough. I respect that. Just make sure you have no TEFLON pans at home, not buying any food packaged in plastic etc 👌

Aran Smithson the chemicals will spread so thinly in the water that the chemicals will have no affect on fish, just don’t fish in small ponds

And don't drive car. Too much pollution .🐎🐎

Most, if not all braided lines on the market contain chemicals... whether from their own ptfe (or similar) coating or chemical dyes used to color the braid, so yeah...best not to use braid if you think that. And who’s to say that mono and Fluoro don’t have some sort of coating?

You can use some primitive tackle then

Fair point, if you don't drive any motorised vehicle etc.that are much more pollutant.

Will consider it. Cheers.

You use the line once it's dry! Anyway, I catch more because of this spray.

Fishes are mostly interesting to the bait ,not the line haha.. I'm definitely sure it doesn't matter

@@user-rk8yv2pq2e the line will release the chemicals in it once it's thrown in the water and it spreads around, genius. Haha

@@dirkdiggler2430 all the braided line has been coated by many chemicals agent anyway while manufacturing....try to pick up good point of this tutorial...or u can use close environmental tools as like those had been used at primitive Era..

@@user-rk8yv2pq2e so if I spray wd40 on my car's paint job, the wd40 will not wash off the paint if I dip it in water because the paint has been coated by many chemicals and agents!?!?!? Lmfao!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

No changes to the knotting properties that I noticed.

As in?

Makes no sense.

Good one 😂

Thick or thin Vaseline will get it in

This spray has some smell which is nothing like cinamon. Where it could matter, I don't know.

@@AndrewsKnots cinnamon? Not getting the reference dude..thanks

No reference. Just it does not matter if line smells or not. At least I am not catching less fish because of this spray. 👌

It's the vapour that is dangerous.. PTFE itself isn't worse any normal platic as far as I know. All in all, I can't see it doing any damage to the fish or water quality, if used as suggested (let the line get dry).

Also Andrew a fish has 1,000 times our sense of smell. I'm sorry but as a responsible Angler I must condemn this action.

I haven't noticed that I am catching less since started using this stuff! The opposite actually - my braided line is performing better (less tangles, casts further) and I can concentrate on actual fishing more! 👌

Andrews knots it seems that you have to have the last say,so,get that frying pan out cook an egg in that stuff and eat it on video for us to see no editing! If it's safe you have the last say. We're waiting cos we don't want to see people who make braid made redundant cos of your comments that less braid will be sold ok so now put your plastic where your mouth is!!

@Robert wren you don't need to use WD40 with PTFE to cook an egg in the pan as the pan itself will have plenty of PTFE/teflon on the surface to make it non-stick type. 👌

Thanks for sharing.

It won't.

It was talked about this in this video's comments. I agree, that any chemicals are not helping the environment but I only rate comments from peope who does not use/ever used petrol/diesel vehicles, does not buy food wrapped in plastic etc. etc.

Tried WD40 silicone spray. Better than nothing but nowhere near as good as PTFE..

@@AndrewsKnots goood is was wondering if silicone was better than PTFE.I will try it on my daiwa steez A with KTF spool and full ceramic bearings : )

Once it's dried on the line, I can't see big issue there.. I think everyone creates more damage to the environment by buying food wrapped in plastic etc. etc.

As is any plastic. To my understanding, if anyone buys food packaged in plastic, that plastic in most countries will end up in the ocean or ground..

@@AndrewsKnots yes, the point is to reduce the amount.

Vee BUK the chemicals will quickly spread in the water so thinly it won’t affect anything, just don’t fish in small ponds with this

@@thesovietonion4671 indeed it will spread,, thats the problem.

@@AndrewsKnots that is true, so why add more ptfe on top of that?

Ok.

Yep 😎

so u understand what i'm said？

what

I’m having big trouble with all braid I’m using , I will try that spray myself

Thanks for sharing.

One believes video's about spraying the line not the reel's internal parts.

Fair enough. I respect it. If you would watch the video once more/read the description maybe you would see that it's not only casting distance! The braid lasts longer therefore you will use less braided over the time. 👍

I would be strongly against spraying lures "everytime" with something like WD40.