wow you actually made the video, this amount of connection to your community can only be achieved while youre relatively small, and im happy that i found you at this time, because with content like that youll be going to the moon in no time!
Man I am so grateful for your content. I’ve gone from bronze 3 to gold 4 by following it. Which, sure not challenger or anything, but it’s also my peak in all my years of playing. Normally I just mindlessly lane, now I think and HAVE A PLAN.
Hey man recently started wanting to improve in league and watching your content because I'm tired of being in my friends' backpack every match haha Thanks for the really helpful guides and specifically this video made me realize the "breaking down the fundamentals and focusing on improving one at a time" is something that I can even apply to my work and can be applied to a lot of things in life. Who would have thought league of legends would actually help me out in life
Thank you for the video, you and coach Curtis really made my day as an Akali neophyte. There is gotta be something special about DW as I don't see any other organization capable of producing midlaner coaches like you two.
Loving the educational content Shok we need more! You should do a collab sesh with coach curtis if it ever comes around and keep it up, everyone here is enjoying what you're putting out there!
I fully agree with League being very difficult to isolate and practice. I was high ELO in FPS games like Apex and Overwatch, and got really good at rhythm games like guitar hero back in the day, but it's taken me much longer to get better at League than it took for any of those other games. My first FPS game I ever played competitively was Black Ops 2, and I went from barely being able to aim to #10 world wide in the competitive mode in just a few months. I was not at all able to just jump into League and jump up to high ELO quickly.
In league it takes like 6 months just to learn roughly which champ does what. I think thats a big part of the reason why it takes long to learn the game.
@@koreanzombie6697 yeah, it took me almost to 2 years of playing pretty much every day to just hit plat 4. Although I play bot lane which hasn't exactly been an easy role to play recently.
heyo, thanks a lot for all the content you provide - really helps a lot. Here are a few of my thoughts that maybe you can take into account: I started playing the league just 3 months ago, now I'm at rank 2 silver and continue to climb. I've found that in a solo queue, a lot of the things you show in pro games or master+ elo just don't work due to the chaos of the random. And that's fine, that's the way it should work. But I'm struggling to find any comments/analysis at plat elo and below. I mean, it would be great to see what I/you can actually do better in the various (non typical high ranks) situations or mistakes that often happen at mid and low ranks. another thanks for laning & farming guides
Thanks for the feedback. I feel like most of the stuff I've said should work in all elos, perhaps stuff around the jungle and side laning may not. Could you share what things you feel like don't work and what situations/mistakes you run into? I could definitely make some sort of video addressing more common pitfalls but it's harder to know without specifics. Appreciate the kind words
@@ShokLeague Maybe you could do an Annie / Veigar guide tailored to lower elo players, considering they're probably THE best midlaners for getting into Gold/Plat right now
Im gold 2 and i can confirm that the fundamentals helped me climb out of silver and i think the biggest to focus on are wave management, farming and warding&leaning
Fundamentals theoretically should work in all ELOs. The common issue however in lower ELOs is that you can at times forget about the fundamentals because there are more distractions (aka randomness) and players tend to overcompensate. With that said, following the fundamentals doesn't guarantee you a win. It simply is not possible to win all of your games. Sometimes, we feel like it doesn't work because we usually remember the times we lost more rather than the times we won as we might be under the impression that fundamentals should net us a win. I would say focus more on stability instead of winning and losing and everything should follow. Good luck.
My silver friend has actually been doing a climb to gold challenge where our group bet on how long he’ll take. I’m P3 and have been helping coach him, and he had the same sentiment where at low elo, you are forced to play for chaotic teammates and enemies. But I assure you (and he will now too) that doing these fundamentals will become super important! But knowing when to take fights and not being selfish the whole game seemed to be a really important skill he had to work on too, like what are the rewards, does the game depend on you guys winning a fight, what are your chances. Most of the time though, focusing on dominating lane and staying safe with good vision and positioning will put you in a really good spot to carry. Hope this helps!
Great videos shok. Your approach to teaching the game is refreshing. Breaking down your goals into tasks and employing metric is something that's not only gonna help you climb elo, but also in aspects of outside of league. Bright future ahead of you pal
my weaknesses are definitely laning, farming and mechanics. I came from wildrift, being actually grandmaster there as support and i know a lot about the champs, map awareness, jungle tracking, teamfighting and my limits overall. But playing on pc is so different in the laning/farming department (also the fact that the keyboard is different from mobile) especially because im playing mid now. Glad i found your channel that talks a lot about the things i want to learn about, thanks for the content.
Hey Shok, thanks for another helpful video - I'll definitely be hitting you up for a coaching session or 5. Great to see what you're doing for yourself and good luck with everything!!
Loved the video. When I'm grinding League, I love watching educational LoL content, and it's nice to see a new face in that space. Keep the videos coming. Don't be concerned that others have covered the same ground. I love hearing how other people understand the game.
Ur totally right about Apex comparison. It took me 4 months to grind master tier in Apex (maybe, playing CS:GO for a decade helped me a ton but it's still a new game which is kinda unique and barely has anything in common with CS:GO if we exclude aiming) , it's basically impossible in LOL since only learning champs and fundamentals are going to take you like at least 6 months. It took me 2 seasons to reach masters in LOL for the first time in s6.
stuck at emerald ranking highest peak was like diamond 5 but i more enjoy the game rather than needing to be challenger however improving is always a good thing.
you really hit masters on apex in 200 days lmao, thats insane, i wonder if i would be masters on better setup.. btw amazing video, i have no clue how can something this informative be free today, when everything on the internet that is informative requires you to spend money for it.. ur insanely good person tysm
@@ShokLeague yeah i figured, although im really not that smart for league, ive been playing it for around 10 years on and off and im plat hardstuck my whole life.. peak d4 and ur vids helped me a lot yesterday i ve been really using my mind properly
The biggest issue I've had in my on and off time with League, which I'm currently trying to just stop playing, is how what works against one person will just completely fail against another person playing the same champ. One night I played against three Setts back to back, all different guys. The first two I completely annihilated as Poppy. I mean, dude's couldn't hit their W's, I didn't let them ult me into towers, I punished their aggressive attempts at E stuns, could run bruiser Poppy I was so far ahead of them. And then the third guy. Suddenly he was landing those Es I was punishing, knew to follow them up with a W so the stun locks me into the true damage until I got some CC resist. I had to build tank and was basically worthless the whole game. I have no idea what happened. Dude wasn't even high ranked, on that account at least. It feels hard to learn ... anything when one game you can free farm lane, get massive CS, enemy plays like a coward, their attacks tickle and you laugh while nuking them under tower, and then the next game you play the same champ and he's beating you in the middle of the wave at level 1.
I think this is why it's important to just focus on fundamentals and not so much worrying about how your opponent is playing. If you play a solid game all around you should naturally do well against whoever your opponent is.
You made a lot of videos about laning phase, but I'm interested if you could make a video about getting midgame and lategame pressure? I feel like most people in my elo (gold), and me included, don't really know what to do most of the time after the early game ends.
hey Shok this video is super informative! I’m wondering where to put macro decision making into those categories and what your opinion is on improving that. For example stuff like when to side lane vs group or when to set up an obj or push out a wave or things like that. Also would love to see a more in depth guide on team fighting if that’s one of the topics you’re considering making! I have a lot of games where things go ok and my team is winning then we do a 5v5 at 3rd drake and we just lose and then subsequently lose every 5v5 after that. I’d like to say its stuff like broken champs (my most recent loss a Vayne Yuumi enemy combo just 2v8 carried) but I know that’s probably a cop out and not solution based way to approach the problem.
I'd say a lot of the macro decision making falls under the other categories like Farming (side laning) or Roaming (which waves etc) but you could easily make it into it's own category honestly. I think macro decision making is definitely harder to work on because you don't get as immediate feedback, but probably the best way would be to watch a pro player and try focus on when they are side laning or when they are grouping/pushing etc. Feels a lot more knowledge based than something you kinda get repetitions on in game if that makes sense. Teamfighting is definitely something I still need to cover! So I'll definitely do that soon, we'll stop those Vayne Yuumis haha
@@ShokLeague that makes a lot of sense! I agree about the feedback stuff, its a lot harder to practice than other concepts! Are there any players you recommend watching for good mid lane macro? And ya I can’t wait for the team fight guide!!! The enchanter + hyper scaler adc combo is so frustrating to play against late game
As a fairly new player to league with aproximatly 3 months of league, I have lots of questions! If you could explain what a 1-3-1 is that would be great. And also i would like to know more about wave managment, if you could recomend me any tips or maybe some tricks that would be helpful!
1-3-1 refers to players in the lane positions, so 1 player top, 3 players mid, and 1 person bot (to pressure all 3 lanes). I have a few videos on wave management so you should check out my mid lane fundamentals playlist!
hey shok, I don't know if you are familiar with irelia but if you can make a "how to play" on her I would really appreciate. I learned league basically through you and coach curtis so thanks a lot and keep it up!
I'll looking forward for your "breakdowns" of each fundamental, awesome content so far! keep it up! Literally smurfing on YT, are you planning streaming too?
Hey shok, one of the things I think I need to work on the most is my map awareness and use of F-keys. How would you suggest I keep track of this in my reviews? It seems a lot more ambiguous compared to some of the other more discrete fundamentals. As always awesome content! I’ll definitely be popping into your streams soon.
Ooh yeah this is a hard one. I think you could build it into a trigger/habit. For example, every time a new wave comes mid it could be a reminder for you to use F keys to take a quick look at everyone else on your team. Then you could review your POV (if you have outplayed.gg) to see if you did that.
Would it be possible to provide a google doc that breaks down the fundamentals just like you broke down laning? Not into the super super specific one but one tier of breakdown up from that. I am currently watching all your other fundamentals videos to try to come up with a list myself but I thought it might help others in the future.
Hey Shok, first of all, great video. I have one question: i had the problem in my games, when focusing on one specific concept like laning, the others, e.g. map awareness inevitably suffer from it, thus worsening my overall performance resulting in worse games and LP loss. Do you recommend using a smurf or flex queue or how do you approach this issue? Thanks
I'd say use a smurf or flex queue would both be fine. As long as it's somewhat representative of your rank e.g. don't play in bronze if your main is diamond, but plat might be fine.
Whats your thought on learning in Normals vs Ranked? I know Ranked is better and stuff but it can also be very stressful and more mental pressure that hinders me to be able to focus on learning too..
my difficult is find a mid champ to otp. last year i otp garen top and ww mid and i climb easy to gold 2 almost gold 1 now im silver and i switch too much champ can u help me?
Hey rly nice video thanks,btw what dpi are u used to play does it matter for unpredixtable movement and that like clicking alot fast and close aswell ? Or its just about clicking and thinking
@@ShokLeague heyy thanks for answer ! I dont have problem with clicking i do it rly fast but mostly with speed i will need to use to higher one somehow
Hey first of all great and very insightful video❤ I'm bronze at the moment and i'm an adc main(probably a bad choice in low elo but idc😂), hopefully improve enough to get out of bronze :D
I just started playing katarina and i think she is really fun, but i have the feeling that the laning/farming fundamentals are a bit different for her. Is that correct to think?
This is correct. I would say that Katarina is not really recommended if you are looking to overall improve at the game because she has less transferrable skills compared to other champions. You can also somewhat cheese the laning phase and skip it altogether by simply roaming. So if you are looking to improve at the game, I suggest picking other champions that have more transferrable skills like Ahri, Syndra, etc. If you are looking to simply gain LP, then feel free to go with Kat. Try watching Kat OTPs and observing how they are gaining leads on certain matchups and then transferring that lead to other lanes. The thing is, Katarina is a champ that somewhat focuses on punishing mistakes rather than pressuring your enemy during laning phase. You simply do not have the tools to have initiative in terms of lane control.
@@nightcrow2962 Thanks for the comprehensive reply. I played ahri a lot, but i feel like i lack damage to solo carry teams somehow, even if i build ludens. Do you think that is just because I am playing bad that i lose most games with ahri? Or do you know other assasin like champs that these fundamentals do apply to like diana/fizz/qiyana/zoe/ekko/akali/talon etc? which can solo carry. Or shouldnt solo carrying even be my focus in low elo and just learn the fundamentals? I dropped from gold 2 to gold 4 and have been stuck in gold for several seasons, also because i change my champion pool quite a bit. But im now finally looking for a champ i can stick with.
@@ByteNinja-YT When you actually start learning the fundamentals, you can expect to drop most of your games initially especially when you are not used to doing them. This is because carrying with champions like Katarina and Talon is different from carrying with Ahri. From what you told me, you might have misunderstood Ahri's identity. There is a reason why Ahri is arguably the best mid-lane champ right now. With that said, you won't carry with her through her damage alone. She's a champ who excels in getting picks, roaming and neutralizing almost all matchups. Not necessarily killing all of your enemies like Katarina. Think of her like a Twisted Fate or Leblanc. Your job is to impact the map and set up kills for your teammates (hoping that they can carry you late game most of the time). If this playstyle isn't for you, then you might want to look for a different champion. When it comes to 1v9 potential, something like Yone might be what you are looking for. With that said, Fizz is also good for practicing fundamentals. It's just that there are some matchups that are unplayable. Unlike Ahri or Syndra who can neutralize bad matchups. All mid lane assassins except Katarina and Talon should help you with fundamentals so feel free to use whatever you enjoy the most. It really depends on what your goal is. Is it to improve or to climb as fast as possible?
Hey! Thank you for your video and greettings from germany! I'd like to know when you choose a speficic goal for a game and also achieved it when do you pick the next goal? Or in other words when do I know I can move on to the next goal?
But when I focus on very specific things like punishing when they go for a cs i only improve in my early game and then mid and late game go to waste or do I have several things that I focus on? Like 1 thing for early game, 1 for mid and 1 for late?
Hi, thanks for the great content. Do you think Qiyana is a good one to learn mid fundamentals? I find her unplayable in lower elos unless you are smurfing. What is your thoughts?
You'd probably have a lot of the same, but instead of laning you would have stuff like pathing and ganking. If you ask on Nathan Mott's channel he might give you specifics since he's a jungle main.
Any advice for ADCs? Im starting to play rankeds and I mainly play on ADC and sometimes I feel that I cant do anything even If im fed or I feel that my team is useless (honestly I want to get rid of that way of thinking but is really hard in low elo) and sometimes I cant do anything in laning phase, I get hard pocked or I always die to jungle ganks.
Keeping up in farm/levels is the most important, if you fall behind as ADC you don't do anything. Try aim for 10 CSPM, you won't get it every game but it's a good goal. Dying to jungle ganks will mainly be a warding/wave management problem. Can't really speak for your laning phase without knowing more.
Fantastic guides man, I have a question, I am back in the game now and my placements are in Iron 2, I will get fed, and then in midgame either of 2 things will happen, my team decides to play aram, I go with them and lose any xp gold advantage I had, or they will refuse to pressure the map while Im sidelaning and I get stuck with teammates who refuse to contest anything and we just lose slow and steady, sometimes I feel so helpless in these situations because I know exactly what to do but my team will not listen. Do you have any advice on this or should I just accept it that it happens and that I can not do anything about it?
If you have TP you can mostly just side lane and TP to fights, if you don't have TP then you probably want to push out sidelanes and then group. If your team fights without you, try trade as much gold as you can on the other side of the map
@@ShokLeague I do play with TP however more often than not they will not throw any wards for me to TP onto, and while I come into the fight I dont even get the chance to cleanup, i.e. I push bot just one wave and as soon as I go to farm it my team gets engaged on (and this was near me in bot jg), dies and I come there to clean up but more often then not trade 1 for 2 or 3 and they can still push or take objectives, eh I guess I just jave to play as you said and some things are just out of your control.
Nah, I've played every role in Challenger. Also I've played both ADC and Top in competitive for a little bit. So I think I'll be able to coach all roles, though mid lane is definitely my best.
"a few hundred hours later I was master tier". That's the issue right there. You can't coach that. Some people have that Asian level talent that can just pick something up, put nearly no investment into it and completely master it. People have put thousands of hours into that game and others and have never, and likely will never, see anything close to those kinds of results. I think at the end of the day the most important factors for these things are mechanical skill and dexterity, as well as composure. The one constant I've seen in high level players is they can get completely shat on by a low elo player while their team is fucking a football 5 meters away from them and they just laugh about it and it's out of their mind 3 seconds later. The average league player, and I'd put myself into this category, has that happen to them and for the rest of that game if not partly into the next game, can't stop visualizing how it would look to reach through their monitor and strangle their team mates. Rage. Completely useless virtue and a total hindrance. And for those people it's also nigh impossible to control.
I just fucking suck at this game its embarrassing to be so bad I just wanna be able to say I was at least decent at it. 75 games played on sylas at 60% win rate but it’s going down now.. stuck in silver1 was stuck in bronze1 so I haven’t improved at all in 2 years idk maybe the game isn’t meant for me
Probably stuff like pathing, playing around lanes, farming (putting the games on CD efficiently), objective control etc. I'd recommend asking a jungler
really great video, im a akali OTP, started playing last year and am currently plat 1 in Brasil server, but recently in feeling some kind of burn out, do you have any tips on how to reset, i play like 3 to 5 games and start to fell stressed even if i win. also on another note, also played a lot of star craft 2 made it to master 3 in 2020 with toss really love that game hope that microsoft gives it a chance on a SC 3 or at least bring updates wonce actvision blizzard sale is completed.
Hmm, honestly I'm not too sure how to fix burn out. You could try taking a full week off the game or something? Or maybe just start smaller and take a 5 minute break after games that make you feel stressed/tilted? I hope SC3 comes too!
@@ShokLeague its not a single thing, i dont tilt while playing the problem its after the game, i feel i could have done much more, and played much better, obviously if i stomp i feel good, but if im not playing optimal i feel a bad sensation after the game is done. Maybe im overthinking,i will try to take breaks between games to see if it will help.
Refers to lane setup in the mid game, so a 1-3-1 would have your mid/top laners in the side lanes, and your 3 (adc, supp and jg) playing on the mid wave. More normal setup in the mid game is 4-1, with whoever has TP up out of the mid/top laner in the side lane.
Sorry I should've explained it, a 1-3-1 normally refers to the lane assignments and the people in them. For example 1-3-1 means 1 person top, 3 people mid, and 1 person bot. A 0-4-1 would mean 0 people top, 4 people mid, 1 person bot etc
"No Bullshit Guide" More like "No Shit Sherlock Guide" Made by Captain Obvious. Sorry but these are not very helpful. Show some ingame scenarios and explain some stuff
I mean you can always just leave the video instead of expressing your futile opinion. There are a lot of people that find this video very mind opening and clearing for the aspects of the game myself included and if you think that you don't need this video and you are way too good for it then good for you but to say that the video is of no use is meaningless and a waste of time.
