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It is so nice to see someone shine (Preston) and not allow another's brightness (Jackie) to intimidate them, diminish them, or inhibit them. I continue to be inspired by both these believers.
Thank you for this. It’s great to see women leading in their ministry without being accused of having a Jezebel spirit or being “out of order.” 🥴 Seems like a lot of men would rather us stifle the Holy Spirit in order to not damage their ego.
Humility and the fear of God is what keeps me grounded. God gave me every gift I have and he can take it away if I’m not stewarding them according to his order and will. With that said, I’ve noticed there is no competition, comparison, or critique of wives and husbands who are humble, fruitful, and fear God in their hearts, but instead see the value in their differences. The wife has no problem submitting to her husband respecting him unconditionally and the husband, no matter her position or title outside the home is not threatened, and loves her unconditionally. The fruit they produce multiplies and passes to their children.
This was truly insightful. Definitely had to check introspectively as I do sometimes feel better than others because of my gifts. So good! I think Preston made a good point and he set a great example. I feel like too many men use their authority to look down on their partners and then women use their gifts (leadership) to walk over theirs. Thank you for this very humbling reminder that our gifts should be used to glorify Jesus!❤
Yeah, the propensity for people to use their gifts or authority to walk over their spouse is why men are asked to love their wives like Jesus loves us and women to submit like the church. It addresses each sex's flaws. But unfortunately people take it out of context and rather use that to oppress eachother.
Yes, Amen. Well stated. They should only be used to glorify God not as a weapon in the flesh. Use as a weapon against the powers of darkness and for the building of God's kingdom on earth😊
Yessss! This is a well needed conversation! Because what happens when you have an Esther who’s called to deliver & be in a position of power? It’s important to have that covering from our spouse because even as leaders we , women leaders, still want to be led! That cannot happen with an insecure man or someone who doesn’t know who they are in their identity! Soooo needed ! Thank you guys! 💖💖💖
How could a woman that leads want to be led. That's completely contrary to the bible. Women just want to find some kind of equality in the bible that isn't there. Repent or die.
@@edy7130 you forget that some women actually have to lead. Not everyone has the same anointing. No one ever insterted that the woman would lead over the man but that doesn’t take away the call of a woman. What if that woman is called to host Bible studies Or teach other women? She’s a leader in her own way. Esther for example ..
Read Deborah's account! She was a judge! Note what Yah says about Judges! Ask yourself who is "the man" in scripture? It's in the same chapter spoken of regarding authority. Search out scripture to show thyself approved. Church is an assembly, the body of Christ. So, with this understanding that woman are not to have leadership role what does one say to the CHURCH, Christ's Bride? Are we as believers not to speak because we are identified as a woman? Think of why Christ came... He came to set the captives free! The oppressed ones!
This really helps because a lot of men don’t really know how to handle be a supporter of a wife who has more influence then them and they feel like their ego and man hood is attacked.I’m glad Preston and Jackie touch up on that.
So much wisdom in you Preston, pride is what has caused the fall of most marriages when the woman gets to earn or raise in stature more. Letting your gift, talent or job define you is pride at its best. May God continue to bless your marriage and may you always hacken to His voice, you are an inspiration to many young people worldwide who are pursuing life in Christ in this fallen world. Sending my love Kenya y'all 🇰🇪🇰🇪🇰🇪
I so appreciate you shouting out Brian. I KNOW, as you do, he don't care for no honor or acknowledgment but that makes me feel even more he should be honored. I'll never forget being in the balcony at Legacy and he was walking around with some slides on, recording the conference like 1. He wasn't the founder and 2. There wasn't professional videography already happening. He is an honorable man among honorable men. I didn't want to put him on blast but I was definitely fidgeting like...say his name. Funny enough, the only Name he's concerned about is Jesus.
Wow thank you for sharing much needed conversation. It can be very challenging dating or being married to someone who is intimated by your gifts. A warzone on its own. Knowing one's identity is important.
I am so so sold out. I love this whole mini series that you guys did on leadership. You guys definitely hit a home run with this one especially with women and they're submissiveness versus manipulation because as women especially those with Daddy issues we learn to become manipulators rather than be submissive because we really can't distinguish the difference And at the root of a lot of the submissiveness is manipulation and at the nucleus of manipulation is fear. In fact there's a saying that says a good woman knows how to lead her husband and make him believe that it's his idea or something along the lines of that. I watched one or two 30 minutes with the Perry's a while ago and I watched how you Jackie corrected your husband every time he made a grammatical error. I even commented on it and said don't do that and the reason I said don't do that is because it undermined him. whether you're doing it lovingly or not when you do it in public it demeans the person and it lets the audience know who the superior one is. Trust me you never want to do that because you don't want him to lose his credibility. Am I in an industry which is client facing there are times when I have to stand up and give instructions. Often I may make a mistake but my peers will not correct me. When it's over we'll discuss and I'll even say I made a mistake but they'll say don't worry about it keep going because a lot of times the audience won't pick up on it. Now we do want to look like we're not intelligent but you don't want to correct your counterpart in front of an audience. This is something I learned in adult learning theory and public speaking.I shared it jic. One last thing it also makes you look competitive when you do that. However, nobody brings the message better than you do Jackie!!! and Preston I love your whole concept on male leadership and how to lead without dominating. I also love your honesty. This was like so refreshing it just solidified so much of my thinking. I feel it upgraded me it took me to a level of understanding submissiveness and that whole seven habits forming, storming, norming, and performing. I am sold out. Of the late Jackie when I want spiritual food I have been stalking all of your RU-vid messages I mean I just I can't get enough of them so thank you for allowing God to use you in such a way!
@@Gintoki_Madao on the other hand, I think there are lots of men that ARE uncomfortable with women that are leaders because they’ve been taught one-way submission and women in leadership contradicts that narrative. These are the guys that confuse subservience for submission and dumbing yourself down for meekness.
OMG I have been asking and searching for somewhere to get understanding bc of some of the amazing women I've seen how are BOSSES. And I often wonder how their husbands deal with it. So, pushing play now. TY to you both for the honesty and candidness.
Everyone is gifted. Period. They come without repentance. The Creator states we have dominion together. Heirs together I believe our women matriarch 's Understood, Honor and Respect....Deborah...was a married woman. ISAIAH'S wife was a prophet as well. In our leadership roles, as wives....we Glorify The Most High/ when our honor and respect of our husband is still intact......in whatever ways The Most High has gifted. For the men....If your identity is solid through the Creator....there would be no need to stifle your wife's light.....cause She is you....and the jewel in your crown. We have dominion together....Help us Father!
Unfortunately some Christians don’t believe that women should lead . Thank you for your ministry. I was surrounded by women who lead and who are passionate about the Lord . Who so ever will ..
I think the key thing is how he said Jackie never changed her dynamic to Preston because of her gifts and calling in her marriage. I think that’s a big key point to also allowing Husbands not to be intimated by a wife who’s a leader because of her gift/calling. In my marriage, I take care a lot of the things from both mine and my husbands career and it wasn’t by choice. It’s just what it is, he has talents and I know I am here to help with that, but in all truthfulness I have out of frustration or stress have done things to mention the importance of the things that I do verses what He does.. it’s wrong. I shouldn’t allow those things to dictate who I am in my marriage.. as a wife. That part was very helpful to me and I need to back track on my own attitude when it comes to my roles and calling.
It all comes down to the stability of both parties’ self esteem. If one of you sees your abilities or talents as a reflection of your personal value, there will be problems because your self esteem will fluctuate if your partner is talented and receives attention or approbation
Such a great clip i wish this came into my life last year when I needed this advice the most but God placed it in my view now for his better reason.not sure what it is yet but he'll reveal it soon
PRAYER REQUEST: Debilitating paralyzing panic attacks. They are almost constant. I'm in hell. I can't find escape or relief. My soul is tortured and tormented and raped. He raped me. I am in agony. Anguished. Haunted. Panicked. In despair. I die inside. The pain is unbearable. I drowned in terror and darkness. Nightmares all night. Panic attacks all day. When and how will I ever heal? This happened to me in February, and now we're in June... I need a miracle. A million little miracles... His name is Bryan. He raped my soul. Viciously maliciously brutally violently. I thought he was my best friend. He betrayed and abandoned me and left me alone to die. Replaced me. Discarded me. Like garbage. Gave me sever PTSD. So... I release all chords, hooks, ties, and attachments to him specifically, and also generally: to any person, place, or thing, on any time continuum, that is no longer for my highest and best good, and healing... I release all of these things now, and forevermore, and I watch them dissolve into the nothingness, from which they came... Thank you, thank you, thank you - IT IS DONE! 🙏 And here are 13 gentle and urgent reminders: 1. You're ALWAYS exactly where you are supposed to be 2. Self-esteem is measured by you (nobody else gets to decide your worth) 3. Get rid of fear: FOREVER!!! 4. When things are tough, change the way you see things... 5. Don't dwell on/in the past (come back to this present moment!) 6. It's only temporary (all of it!) 7. You have what it takes 8. You don't need to change 9. Release your need for control 10. Accept. Allow. Breathe. Deep. 11. Remember where you came from 12. Remember that you are not alone (not ever!) 13. Remember who you are GOD has a purpose for your pain, A reason for your struggle, and a reward for your courage/bravery/faithfulness... Trust and never give up. 🙏🏽
So simple, but so effective. “To God be the glory.” I repent, Lord. The way God is using others doesn’t minimize or augment me. It’s easy for me to get caught with comparisons, ESPECIALLY in the kingdom. It all comes from God though, so who am I to measure myself up to others? We’re all made in His image, all contributing to the same mission. It’s really a teamwork thing.
Great topic. This type of thing has actually ended good Christian marriages….jealousy between spouses and their giftings. That is why it is important to know who you are in Christ and be a supportive mate to whichever mate appears to be prospering in their ministry. I like the dynamic that Joyce and Dave Meyer have. He is man enough to help her in a supportive role because that is what God called him to do. But if God called her to do that I’m sure she would be obedient and do it. It really makes no difference because the two shall become one flesh and if one prospers the other prospers also. Being a leader in your ministry is separate from being a leader in your home. Everyone has their own role to play and should stick to the God ordained script of proper order.
What did Preston say with the vice versa piece at the end? He was about to say the same thing concerning the gifts and talents of a husband…..? The video cut off then and I thought that that part was important also.
Nothing different. It's exactly the same. Don't size someone's gifts and purpose with yours especially under God's command. That goes in line with Jealousy and Covetousness. If your ego is what you're seeking to protect, the marriage has failed.
I agree with Bro Perry, I'll say in another way as the Lord has taught me, it's ungratefulness to God when we don't appreciate the gift others & compete with them, God surround with these set of people to make your life easier, instead of you thank God for the provision for such gifts around you to make your life easier, you instead compete, if you're in position undermine them to kill their gifts, hey you're ungrateful, your gifted wife is God's provision in your life, be grateful, be comfortable in your role, vice versa
Honor our Heavenly Father with your hearts Saints. Matthew 9:13 “But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”
It's unfortunate that so many use their God given gifts for their own glory and status; and I think many of us trip into this from time to time, which is where humility comes from. We must be humble enough to realize when we're not focused on Him and His glory, and adjust back to that. If your ego gets bruised or wounded, good. It's supposed to die. Let God kill it.
I don't think God meant for a marriage to be a parent, child relationship but a partnership. Your wife is not your child or a pet your leading around.. she's your help mate but she's still a individual with a call on her life. Even if that's being the best mother raising the next president. I believe it is looked at all wrong. Men feel a pressure to rule over or be better than their wife. She's being great at what she was called o do and you be great at what you're called to do. You both support and lean on each other. That's just my take.
This is an interesting but also controversial topic. When I look at all the Godly couples in the bible, I don't see an instance where the husbands play a supporting roles to their wives ministry. It's always the other way round. And God makes the roles even more clearer in Gen 2:18 when he says "I will make for him a suitable helper" This tells me that the husband sets the spiritual goal or vision, and they work as a couple to achieve it.
Ugonna (I haven't watched this video.) Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. -excerpt Judges 4 Deborah was a Judge, and her husband was not. A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. Should you want a study, I can post up my essay on her.
