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How to make 240HP!! on your k24 

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@duhdoddlebug7317
@duhdoddlebug7317 6 месяцев назад
100 hp per liter na is cool, a ls3 6.2 only makes 70 hp per liter at the flywheel. looking through a narrow lens here, but these numbers are closer to a lsa supercharged 6.2 making 580 hp with 6.2 liters + a 1.9 liter blower to add. crazy to think a 7th gen k series did that N/A XD (note i know this is modded honda vs factory warrantied stock engines from gm)
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 6 месяцев назад
Love this comparison breakdown
@trackshun
@trackshun Год назад
For those wanting to do this, you do not need to buy an aftermarket fuel rail. Stock fuel tails are efficient enough to handle this horsepower.
@user-nh7mx5xo4b
@user-nh7mx5xo4b 10 месяцев назад
The RDX fuel injectors are necessary for the Big boost... Big power needs more fuel.
@Red-ev8ls
@Red-ev8ls 12 дней назад
@@user-nh7mx5xo4bokay yes that’s true but this is not big power 😂
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 12 дней назад
@Red-ev8ls is decent 👌
@Red-ev8ls
@Red-ev8ls 12 дней назад
@@Almostboosted oh for sure it’s plenty of power don’t get me wrong but I’m replying to the other comment that this isn’t crazy power to where you need to upgrade a Oem fuel rail
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 12 дней назад
Got it yeah your right
@macbdo
@macbdo Год назад
Had a 06 civic that I blew the motor in and slapped a k24 out of a tsx in and tunned with kpro by someone I found online , and he got it right ! Running 5.0s down
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
Any performance parts added?
@trackshun
@trackshun Год назад
I’m thinking of swapping an ep3 and doing exactly what this guy did. Gotta find an ep3 tho first🥴
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
I want one as well, just so pricy where I'm at.
@soggycivic8594
@soggycivic8594 3 года назад
06+ tsx (k24a2) does have the better cams (bigger secondary lobes) but all k24 came with 25deg vtc. They never came with an rbc vtc cam gear, you have to install those yourself out of any k20 engine (including base model) 👍🏼 you can also pin the k24 vtc to have it fixed at 45deg, any more and you run the risk of valve to piston contact
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
I have a 50° RBC vtc but waiting on getting better camshaft to install it. The crv has a PND that is also 50° vtc.
@graysongrzybowski943
@graysongrzybowski943 3 года назад
@@Almostboosted thats Great! I planned on doing all that as well. I wanna shoot for a 450-550 HP car. So even after the aftermarket mods to the K swap even further aftermarket will need to be done im guessing... cam shafts, pistons, fuel injectors... etc. But, Is it necessary to tweak an aftermark cam shaft to 50 degrees? Or do you only do that with the stock ones from the K series motor
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
@@graysongrzybowski943 yes definitely get the 50 degree vtc. I have one just never installed it.
@graysongrzybowski943
@graysongrzybowski943 3 года назад
@@Almostboosted Right, But I was proposing is it recommended even if you chose to upgrade cams beyond the ones in the K series motor?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
@@graysongrzybowski943 well with my 25 stock vtc I was able to make decent power. But the 50 will definitely be a better option
@devinl.reynolds151
@devinl.reynolds151 Месяц назад
I have a k24 in a 04 accord has skunk 2 header, manifold, and fuel rail. Battery was relocated so it can now fit a k&N intake with the box trying to find the headlights with the hole though them its not fast and i cant really push it with a AT but it is enjoyable
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Месяц назад
See if you could get the a flash ecu 🤔
@leewilliams4731
@leewilliams4731 2 года назад
Easy 15-20+ hp left on the table just adding a simple 50° VTC cam gear, and a used set of drop in cams.. From everything I've read... I haven't dynoed my build yet, but I sent with a Z3 head and almost identical setup.. I'm excited to see some numbers
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
My buddy and I I have about the same set up with the 50° VTC he gain 7 on torque.
@AA-nb8vw
@AA-nb8vw Год назад
@@Almostboosted hey can you guide me on how to make sum power k24z3 in a 6speed tsx 201 hp stock but it probably no where near that because i used regular know since i lost so many races got humbled let me know sum little thing i dont think the k24z3 out of a 2009 tsx is very good because id the oil consumption through the piston ring and valve stem seal i looked up the issues but will it hold some power with out blowing out
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
Due a compression test to see how healthy the engine is. The k24z3 is pretty much the same as a k24z7 out of a 9th gen civic si. Not considered to be a true vtec and with the r40 head style. I seen people put bolts ons and get decent number out of them.
@AA-nb8vw
@AA-nb8vw Год назад
@@Almostboosted i dont need conpression test is a well abused engine by me i redline till the gear hits the limiter and wants to pop out because it only does 7200 rpm max has 175k already its ok oil consumption was a recall i think rings get stuck and oil sweeps trough into the combustion im the car 7th owner so im not the only abuser it runs like a fucking champ thou and will beat anything with less than 170 torque pretty sweet first manual car is it burns more than a quart every 750 miles i might do a forged wiseco piston set again a drive it like i stole it engine seems healthy idles good not check engine might see why does it stink so much when i step on it to the floor its probably oil and gasoline out the exhaust pipes but i love the car will add every quart it needs and will never be close to the first dot on the didstick
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
@A A you would need hondata flash to tune it. RBC style intake manifold. 70mm or bigger throttle body not sure if that's a drive by wire. Bigger Injectors 410cc or higher. Cold air intake 3in. Bigger exhaust manifold/header. Rsx type s oil pump.
@smith.jonathan04
@smith.jonathan04 3 года назад
This was a great video, you know your stuff and explained it all great. One of the best videos i’ve seen with all the info i’ve been lookin for
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
Thank you!! if you need any help or have questions don't hesitate.
@enhancedphysique6452
@enhancedphysique6452 2 года назад
Just threw a K24W in my EG last night . I might sell it cause I'll end up dead. Thing boogies!
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
🤣🤣 have it tuned down and enjoy it
@trollbot3728
@trollbot3728 5 месяцев назад
I just learned more in 10 minutes than I did in 1 year. I have a 2004 Accord EX with the K24A4 5 speed manual with 150K of well maintained miles. Right before the pandemic had the whole car serviced. Timing chain, water pump, clutch, brakes, etc . (so just the i-vtec) . I used to have a 1995 Integra GSR. Originally, I was thinking that I could change out the top half of the engine and make it a true V-TEC but it sounds like I would need to change the pistons and rings, ecu, and the oil pump to unbalanced? Should I just chuck the A4 and get the A2 or can I build on what I have? Or do I turbo the A4? I want to have something similar to my GSR NA far as performance. Thank you in advance!
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 5 месяцев назад
Yes that's correct to swap over a rbb head or a k20 head you would need to change the pistons out. You can still keep the balance shaft oil pump. And would definitely need to flash the ecu. I would recommend just swapping in a rbb k24 buy you would still need to flash the ecu.
@NWShooter
@NWShooter Год назад
Your videos are super helpful and useful! I appreciate the information
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
Thank you
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
I'm running Kfrank K24a/Z1 with basic bolt ons and a dyno tune. It's not the fastest but sure is a hell of a lot of fun as a daily. Got a rear sway bar and poly bushings, motor mount inserts and stock shocks. I'd really like to add an lsd, buuuuuut it's more money more money... Honda is the BEST!
@oblivionlegend2937
@oblivionlegend2937 11 месяцев назад
How did you go about it? I'm planning on swapping the head on my k24z2 with a k24a2 head.
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 11 месяцев назад
@@oblivionlegend2937 does the k24z2 accept the 24a2 head?
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 11 месяцев назад
@@oblivionlegend2937 rather than go through all the work, simply buy a JDM K24a and kpro and run it
@northeaststreets9640
@northeaststreets9640 2 года назад
Sick build bro, I just got my k24a in my ep3. I did the 50 degree cam gear, I don’t have that oil pump yet but it’s definitely next. I have full bolt ons (stock injectors) and I have a 70mm throttle on stand by my tuner and I think we should make and are shooting for 230-240whp with what we got going on. Clean set up as well, I definitely need to get a lsd I have the ep3 4.7 transmission, I’m going to be lighting up one wheel lol I would definitely suggest the 50 degree gear if you haven’t already 🙌🏻
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Thats awsome! Yes i have one but just holding on installing it. My buddy and i have the same mods. Only thing he has a 50vtc and he gain like 7 more on torque i made 195lbft and he made 202Ibft. Not sure if you know but the 50vtc on k24 only goes as far as 40 degrees to prevent interference.
@leewilliams4731
@leewilliams4731 2 года назад
Limited slip makes a world of a difference especially with these K engines.. I was running a similar setup when I through in a near stock K24A2 in my ep3.. After I added an 8th gen Si LSD, I was mind blown with the over all differences
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
@@leewilliams4731 Daaaaamn I REALLY need an LSD. I'm running a kfrank in my rsx and spinning ain't winning that's all I have to say about that lol
@Hondaflip
@Hondaflip Год назад
What cars have that 50 degree cam gear? I just put k24a on my EP as well. Very fun
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
So far from what know 2006 civic si and the 02 to 04 crv has the PND older version of the RBC
@JayM-bu2wp
@JayM-bu2wp 28 дней назад
There some tuner who lives by my house that made a k24a push up to 247 hp and 207tq on pump gas with a RBC intake manifold & rdx injectors.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 28 дней назад
Those are very impressive numbers. Wow 🫨. Mu buddy did 251 or so and 195, but he had cams.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 28 дней назад
By the way, it's nice having a tuner that is close to you. Lucky lol
@JayM-bu2wp
@JayM-bu2wp 26 дней назад
@@Almostboosted how much do you think that tuner by my house would of pull out if that k24 was full bolt on? Including the rbc manifold and injectors.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 26 дней назад
I would have to say it would get to a point and max out, to be honest. And I would have to see his setup and what fuel he is using. I have seen people free up so much load on the serpentine and have a killer tune that would be a nightmare to drive as a daily because you would not average no mpgs. It's pretty much just for the track.
@JayM-bu2wp
@JayM-bu2wp 26 дней назад
@@Almostboosted I was curious because I have a k24a in my fa5 civic si I wanna get as close to 300 without a turbo but I still somewhat new to the k series motor on what directioni should go because it is a daily driver but i what power. I've been thinking about just stright up slapping a turbo kit and push close to 400 hp
@OverThinkerPR
@OverThinkerPR 2 года назад
I made 248HP Bonestock JDM K24a tsx engine stock never opened, Skunk2 centerfeed intake mani , 90MM TB , 1000cc bosh e85 fuel , Skunk2 Header eBay Clutch , type s 6speed non lsd, Kpro4 Chaning it up now JDM K24a with skunk2 Stg3 Camshafts , 50vtc , Supertech 95lbs Springs & Retainers , Skunk2 Centerfeed 90mm TB , 1000cc Bosh Injectors E85 , Skunk2 Header , Stock 6speed Transmission With LSD oem si , ( looking for a better clutch kit ) With 100 shot of nitrous , looking for 380-400 hopefully 🙏🏻
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
What was your torque at?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
The camshafts would make a huge difference.
@jonwebb9261
@jonwebb9261 2 года назад
Great video man. Just bought a donor accord type s to start my swap so appreciate the info!
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Thanks you, best wishes on your swap journey 🙏🙏
@jonwebb9261
@jonwebb9261 2 года назад
@@Almostboosted Thank you dude!
@brettkern7752
@brettkern7752 Год назад
Just bought an 08 si with a JDM K24A swap. Has unknown stage 3 clutch (supposedly) and some sort of cat back exhaust. Super fun car. Any tips or issues i should look out for? Any insight would be appreciated. So far (2 months in) this things a blast!
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
Just make sure there are no leaks and keep the schedule maintenance on point. Any plans for upgrades?
@yung_stock8964
@yung_stock8964 3 года назад
Nice bro! Builds looking amazing 👏😍👌
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
Thank you 🙏
@90DayTBT
@90DayTBT 2 года назад
Cool video, thanks for sharing. Doing my first swap now. It reminds me alot of the heros journey. So many people have done, but it still feels like an initiation. Clean setup. The only thing the vid could have possibly used is a start up. Left me wanting to hear it.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Thank you for the feedback, the car is pretty quiet.
@albertoaceves3410
@albertoaceves3410 2 года назад
On the oil pump where you able to use all the same bolts the six for baffle and the 3 for the oil pump chain tensioner
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Yes everything the kit brought
@wifeplower8207
@wifeplower8207 4 месяца назад
Im running a k24a2 with type S trans 1050 ID injectors stock clutch Billet Ktuned shift box with KTuned Fuel set up with 255walbro Skunk2pro series Intake with Ktuned throttle body alot more im missing wave track Lsd locker its tuned on 93 but only 91 in my region im assuming i could go e85 but not sure if it would make more power Also HondataKpro with Low compression im boost ready for sure though KoyoRad also alot of bolt on im missing from build lost but i raced a 2022 Type R untuned got me by car and a half he got full bolt ons and tune and got me by 2-3 cars im guessimg im 240 ish off tune maybe on the correct tune maybe 260-70ish have not got my wide ban yet to start dialing everything in! ill post some pulls on my channel soon and some videos !
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 4 месяца назад
Have you dyno the car?
@bobbydelamar606
@bobbydelamar606 Год назад
I want to install the 50 deg vtc but afraid of clearance. I was thinking of just buying that Drag Cartel 40 deg.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
They sell a safety pin to prevent it from full advancing.
@bobbydelamar606
@bobbydelamar606 Год назад
@@Almostboosted I've seen them, I wonder if they are safe? I'm currently installing the Type S oil pump on my K24A2 1989 CRX 6 speed LSD.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
Yes very safe. Nice CRX are so rare to see now in days.
@bobbydelamar606
@bobbydelamar606 Год назад
​@@AlmostboostedI just ordered Drag Cartel 45 deg vtc.
@salimsopari
@salimsopari 11 месяцев назад
you can limit it to 40 degree thru kpro, dont worry
@nogood_integra1813
@nogood_integra1813 2 года назад
Something going on on the cylinder all the way to the left , see how the header got that bluish color only on that one , misfire causes that check it
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Thats old. I had issue with my old rdx pig tails only was firing on cylinder one. That has been fix long tome ago.
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
Dang that's a pretty good eye you got there Nogood intera.
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
They upgraded the intake cam on the 06-08 TSX. The 04-05 and the JDM K24a are the same through and through. The intake cam is just a tiny tiny bit larger on the 06-08. No biggie guys.
@kaistella4907
@kaistella4907 2 месяца назад
im running a k24a in a s12 200sx rwd swap.... with the kpro are you using 02-04 rsx ecu and harness?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 месяца назад
I'm using the 2002 to 2004 RSX type s ECU with matching engine harness.
@motorjunkie2286
@motorjunkie2286 3 года назад
Thank you for sharing.
@240sx4dayz
@240sx4dayz 2 года назад
How's the build holding up in 2022? I jus picked up a type s oil pump, 50 degree VTC cam gear, and a k tuned oil pan assembly for my k24a motor. My goal is to drop it into my 99ek by summertime. Fingers crossed i can make it happen 🙏 😌
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Yout going to have some. Fun when you your all done. Is holding real good just AFR issues but it was my fault.
@jmdj89
@jmdj89 3 месяца назад
Got a k24a from jdmdepot and I paid 1k sent to my door step. It that was covid days when the world was ending and I got a euro R k24a hahaha I guess I got a deal that day lol 😂
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 месяца назад
Wow very good deal
@sMFq11
@sMFq11 Год назад
Good information bro I appreciate it
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
Thank you, glad I was able to help
@emac6446
@emac6446 3 года назад
Hey nice build bro 🔥I have almost the same setup I was going to ask if the rbc would cause any damage running it on a stock k24 with the regular vtec degree ? Basically I’m asking if your set up will be good if you were to leave it like that
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
Thank you 🙏 yes it will be fine nothing will happen.
@moonship1946
@moonship1946 2 года назад
Did you gasket match the rbc manifold to the cylinder head ? Was your air intake 3.5" ?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Yes a k20z3 intake manifold thermal gasket. I belive so either 3.5" or 3" is the ktuned one.
@ikeyboy136
@ikeyboy136 2 года назад
Great content!!!
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Thank you much appreciate 🙏
@xelp435
@xelp435 23 дня назад
I have a 2012 Honda accord sedan with a k24 what can I do to it, I’m new to modding, so I need mods that are easy to install
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 23 дня назад
When you mod the car for power, your ecu doesn't ready it properly because it already has set parameters put in place. It messes with the tune a bit. But simple ones are like cold air intake. Anything that would alter power would require the ecu to get flash.
@itachisolosmadara
@itachisolosmadara 3 года назад
How can i run a cut RBC on my k24a? Specifically asking because i see there is a coolant port on the right of the intake manifold and mine was cut off.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
They sell a block of plate, I have a friend who was the same issue. Just makes just the plate Is for k24 not the k20
@itachisolosmadara
@itachisolosmadara 3 года назад
@@Almostboosted okay sir i appreciate the info!
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
@@itachisolosmadara no problem
@gomez6742
@gomez6742 8 месяцев назад
@almostboosted what rbb head do you have and which k24a rbb do you recommend. i currently just bought the rbb4 k24a.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 8 месяцев назад
I have an RBB-3 but the 4 is a newer good job
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 8 месяцев назад
I recommend RBB-2 to 4, but I've seen RBB-1 just a bit older but still good.
@gomez6742
@gomez6742 8 месяцев назад
@@Almostboosted ok thanks i’ve looked everywhere and i can’t find anything about the rbb4 only the rbb3. i am aiming for 240hp too. i will try all the same bolt ons as you and hopefully make it to 240hp.
@gomez6742
@gomez6742 8 месяцев назад
@@Almostboosted thanks for your reply brodie🙏🏼💯
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 8 месяцев назад
The RBB-4 is definitely a good choice. You would definitely hit does numbers.
@beepbopboop5257
@beepbopboop5257 28 дней назад
what’s that red pod filter thingy
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 28 дней назад
On the valve cover?
@xelp435
@xelp435 23 дня назад
@@Almostboostedyes
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 23 дня назад
Just a filter for the gasses. They usually cycle back through the cold air intake and back to get burned in the cylinders.
@drbolt24
@drbolt24 2 месяца назад
hi,so the type s oil pump is out of an integra dc5 yes? thanks
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 месяца назад
Im sure the dc5 type r has one to but this one is from a prb acura rsx type s.
@drbolt24
@drbolt24 2 месяца назад
Thank you
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 месяца назад
Anytime 😊
@orcahang21
@orcahang21 5 месяцев назад
Good 👍 ASS job Brudda ✌.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 5 месяцев назад
Thank you brother 🙏
@campervanbug7658
@campervanbug7658 2 года назад
Really healthy daily power
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Very reachable with simples mods
@campervanbug7658
@campervanbug7658 2 года назад
@@Almostboosted I plan on cnc porting my head, balence internals, and getting matched injectors and getting a motec computer so I can daily it worry free, gonna be a zippy lil crx😊
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
@@campervanbug7658 is going to be a nice daily set up
@campervanbug7658
@campervanbug7658 2 года назад
@@Almostboosted I'm hoping 😊
@harizzulkafli3308
@harizzulkafli3308 Год назад
I got 242hp k24 stock mod head rbc2 port polish camshaft dc5type r dual valve spring supertech.stock valve rbc.intake manifold rbc,tbody fd2r injector fd2r.ecu fd2r remap.oilpan set come with oilsump fd2r .exhaust header skunk2 copy 1.1.come with 2.5inch..it can get 25xhp if I change to 3inch..soon😊.
@rab_aintboutit
@rab_aintboutit 3 года назад
What jumper harness are you using for the rdx injectors??
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
www.ebay.com/itm/4x-Acura-RDX-410cc-To-Honda-OBD2-Fuel-Injector-Wiring-Harness-Adapters-/152373681397?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0
@nickzieres7852
@nickzieres7852 3 года назад
i have an 08 accord and i’m trying to built it but i’m having troubles with finding parts that will fit, if they is any chance we could dm and talk more please i would really appreciate the help!!
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
My Instagram is almostboosted if you want to hit me up
@salimsopari
@salimsopari 10 месяцев назад
interesting
@elguapodidit2201
@elguapodidit2201 5 месяцев назад
Is the K24A4 able to do this? I heard the pistons have a dome on them so you can’t do certain things
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 5 месяцев назад
A stock k24a4 would not be able to this. The cylinder is not true vtec and. If you swap the cylinder head a true vtec you would have to change out the pistons and roads because of the clearance.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 5 месяцев назад
Get a RBB k24 and you would golden
@elguapodidit2201
@elguapodidit2201 5 месяцев назад
@@Almostboosted 🙏🏼 thank you that’s a straight forward answer that I understand
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 5 месяцев назад
@elguapodidit2201 for sure no problem 😊
@markrodz2633
@markrodz2633 3 года назад
So what do the different stamps on the heads mean? I got told my Jdm k24a rbb3 was equivalent to a tsx us 06+
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
I'm sure it means the year it was manufacture. I'm thinking the same, only way of finding out is measuring the exhaust cam lobs to see. But I have done research an according to it dosent matter the stamp any jdm k24a is equivalent to 04 to 05 tsx k24.
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
@@Almostboosted Same research that I found over the years.
@sksuppressor756
@sksuppressor756 4 месяца назад
For an $800 engine I don't give a shit what cams it comes with 🤣
@djmlover
@djmlover 2 года назад
I have a 99 crv 5 speed, I want to know if this build would fit my crv? And how much would this build would cosst you buying all those parts?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Definitely! You are going to have to research to see what subframe you need. Also the motor mounts needed. The cost not sure after and during covid19 everything has went up.
@djmlover
@djmlover 2 года назад
@@Almostboosted ok Thankyou so much for the info. 👍🏼👍🏼, by the way, nice video 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
No problem, just let me know if you have any questions.
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
@@djmlover dude just get krpo and a vtec head and keep your k24 block. You could add higher compression pistons too since the head is off.
@lobes4president767
@lobes4president767 Год назад
Did you use your stock ecu or use an rsx type s ecu?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
03 rsx type s the base rsx auto and manual will also work with hondata
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
You can use your stock ECU but it will run really lean once in VTEC, and that's not good. But I ran my car with a stock rsx-s ECU with my k24 swap for three years lololol. People will tell you it can't be done but that's just not true. I now have Ktuner and am properly tuned so I mash on my car all I want now.
@jaybenjaminparkes
@jaybenjaminparkes 5 месяцев назад
How much torque?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 5 месяцев назад
195 ft lb
@picopico205
@picopico205 Год назад
Does the DC5 Integra Transmission bolt up just fine? I know the engine pattern is the same, but is the Chassis mount any issue? Been really thinking of swapping as my CL9 Accord Euro "essentially a TSX" has really long gearing that i'm not the biggest fan of.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
Yes is the same case as the rsx k20a2
@picopico205
@picopico205 Год назад
@@Almostboosted sweet, cheers for the reply!
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
No problem. I'm glad I could help
@omargeraci7093
@omargeraci7093 Год назад
WTF:::::OOOO wow brooo gooodddd ok ok k24A wery GOOOD tenks
@ThatManKevin
@ThatManKevin 3 года назад
What ecu are you using ? Like prb prc pnd whatnot?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
I'm running a PRB 03 rsx type s wanted the reserve lock out feature
@droboyjr
@droboyjr 2 года назад
What did you have to do in order to get the RBC manifold to work? You had to cut it right?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
No you only cut if. You have a k20a2 z1 k20a3 or k24a1 cylinder head. The rbc came in the k20z3 and jdm k20a from the cl7 type r. The k24a/a2 share the same cylinder head as the k20z3 and k20a type r found in the fd2,ep3 type r and dc5.
@droboyjr
@droboyjr 2 года назад
@@Almostboosted man thnx a bunch
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
@@Almostboosted Well almost. The K20a2, K20z1, k20r all have the same cylinder head. The K20z3 is almost identical to the ones I just listed with the exception of material built into one of the intake ports, then the K24 heads have smaller intake and exhaust ports and don't flow quite as well in the upper rpm band, but are designed to make more torque than their little k20 brothers
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
I'm running the same cold air intake. Do you think it's restrictive? I see people's 3.5-4" and they look like they'd breath so much better, and with less bends.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
Do you have it running all the way down?
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
@@Almostboosted yeah runs clear into the lower part of driver's side fender
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
Yeah, I have mine not running all the way down. I just got scared of it sucking water and hydro locking
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
@@Almostboosted I live in California. We never get rain :-(
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 11 месяцев назад
@@Almostboosted yes into fender
@11BabaYaga
@11BabaYaga 3 года назад
So this is with the stock VTC? Nice power!
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
Yes the 25° RBB
@335iDom
@335iDom 3 года назад
Do those intake manifolds fit on the 03-07 Honda Accord ????because they fit on the tsx
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
If your accord has the k24a4, then yes it would directly fit.
@335iDom
@335iDom 3 года назад
@@Almostboosted thank you so much man and by any chance if the manifold says that it fits 04-08 tsx then I can buy it for the accord??
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
Yes, the accord k24a4 is pretty same features as the k24a2. They boy have side water necks. Now the k24a1 looks more like the k20 styles.
@335iDom
@335iDom 3 года назад
@@Almostboosted ok man thank you so much
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
No problem
@deepblue442
@deepblue442 Год назад
Hi bro. I got 2004 model k24a3 accord 6 speed manual 190 hp all stock engine. Do I recommend to me 50 degree vtc + good intake manifold + aem fuel pump + rdx 410 cc injector+ ECU İf u say yes all of this part how much power can I get min ? I already 190 hp now.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
Yes. Now, I'm not sure how much mileage your engine currently has, but that plays a huge part. I would say about 220 to 240. Because that k24a3 is pretty much the same as a k24a2
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
Also, a bigger throttle body 70mm and up would help and well routed cold air intake.
@tooclean_me
@tooclean_me 3 месяца назад
Where did you buy your engine from?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 месяца назад
Hmo
@graysongrzybowski943
@graysongrzybowski943 3 года назад
I am getting ready to do my K swap. I have a 91 integra, but first i wanna get my wheels and suspension before I go to the motor. I am going to do the k24A2 with the k20A2 head, Type R tranny, and the K pro ECU. Im going to first start looking for the motors in junk yards before spending up on that and other parts i can obtain there. I have no experience with motors and cars but I am really infatuated and will be all in when i get going. Do you have any early advice before i get started??
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
Nice k20/k24 is a sweet set up. Make sure you make a parts list with everything you need and start looking a head for a tunner, also source out a good and exhaust pipe.
@graysongrzybowski943
@graysongrzybowski943 3 года назад
@@Almostboosted I’m not entirely sure what all parts I would need just yet. I know a good handful, but I think I still need a bit more. I will do some when it comes closer to that time
@droboyjr
@droboyjr 2 года назад
@@graysongrzybowski943 one thing I learned was that so many people told me things like “all you need is this, this and this” “it’s not that much it’s easy.” But in reality it’s not getting the engine and trans that’s hard, it’s all the little shit that people forget about that adds up and is time consuming. My advice would to do as much research as possible and make a list like the previous commenter said and don’t let people fool you - it can get pricey real quick! Also one more thing, buy the items you’ll need that are no longer manufactured first because they get more expensive as time goes on. Anything that can be bought quality aftermarket can wait. Buy the discontinued Honda oem stuff first and good luck!
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
Hey man, just read your message here. Did you kswap your Integra yet?
@graysongrzybowski943
@graysongrzybowski943 Год назад
@@jesselee4405 No I have not. I am a ways out with this because I have turned into an Investor and that is where my money is going. I am still waiting to buy my suspension. which I almost have enough money for that.
@ramflow8466
@ramflow8466 Год назад
25 degrees of timing with 91 pump gas - Any issues with knocking at all on 91 octane?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
No issues at all
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
I'm pretty sure my tunner advance my 25 degree a bit more but it dosent hurt anything
@brandonbassett7887
@brandonbassett7887 3 года назад
What throttle cable bracket fits that setup i have rbc with rdx tb
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
I'm running the hybridracing kswap throttle cable
@707DBC
@707DBC 9 месяцев назад
Have no idea which k24A I have , I have an 2006 TSX with a K24A swapped in , I do see a code in right saying RAA-2 . Idk what this means
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 9 месяцев назад
RAA Is the equivalent to a crv k24a1 not true vtec engine. The RBB is true vtec.
@707DBC
@707DBC 9 месяцев назад
@@Almostboosted 💔, guess I’ll be getting new cams
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 9 месяцев назад
@707DBC you can do a head swap and gain more but yeah is not as powerful
@707DBC
@707DBC 9 месяцев назад
@@Almostboosted so cams is best way to go for performance…? Also I appreciate your reponse
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 9 месяцев назад
It would get gains, but it won't be much. It would lack.
@dolobuilt
@dolobuilt 2 года назад
So I have a jdm k24a from the accord but mine is stamped RAA. Do you know anything about that?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Pull the valve cover off check to see if you have 3 lobes in the exhaust side as well. If you do you have true vtev, if only 3 lobs at the intake camshaft then not.
@jamzempire
@jamzempire Год назад
Which engine harness did you use?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
K24a RBB 3 lobe vtec from a honda absolute pretty much a honda Odyssey overseas
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
Sorry miss read. 02 to 04 rsx type s
@angelmods5064
@angelmods5064 2 года назад
Can I do this to a automatic k24?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Yeah, I don't see why not
@angelmods5064
@angelmods5064 2 года назад
@@Almostboosted what specs I have to have for my automatic to reach around this hp? I’ll love to know and get back at you with some results dude
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Not sure if kpro would be a vital option for automatic transmission. You might want to see what other standalone out there that would allow you to change transmission gear ratios. But start out with bigger injectors, 410cc or higher. Rbc intake manifold or skunk ultra. Bigger throttle body 70mm to 72mm. Type s oil pump. 50 degrees vtc from a rbc. Cold air intake that's a good start.
@riccoronado430
@riccoronado430 2 года назад
How do I know if i have an rvb head. I have a 04 tsx with intake and exhaust I feel like it has vtch and gets up pretty dam good but I want to verify is I do have true vtch
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
The head will be stamp with RBB 3, not sure about RBB 2 or 4. Also pop the valve cover off and check tonse if the exhaust camshaft has vtec by checking the lobes if it looks adentical to the intake side than your good.
@riccoronado430
@riccoronado430 2 года назад
@@Almostboosted bet thanks bro I feel it kick in at 6 k rpm but just wanna go ahead and check it out 😎 I’m probably going to copy cat u on ur build bro how do u like it is it still the same ?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
@@riccoronado430 yeah is same for me at 6k vtec kicks. For sure yeah is a very simple build for what I did I'm chilling with it making 240hp I'm trying not to get greedy lol
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
@@riccoronado430 If it's a TSX then you have real, performance VTEC. Same as the JDM K24A engine.
@Felixfixitfelix
@Felixfixitfelix 2 года назад
06-08 k24a2 US models is where it’s at not jdm unless ur gonna bulid the head or do a PRB head swap or a RBC head..on all jdm k24a’s from tsx or accord has smaller vale springs like the common base k motors has..google it’s the info is all out there even on the Us model tsx 06-08 k24a2
@droboyjr
@droboyjr Год назад
Yeah that’s definitely the better option. Only thing is more than likely the USDM k24a2’s will have high mileage where you can get a jdm that has way less. And honestly if you end up boosting I don’t think those extra upgrades from 06-08 make a huge difference imo.
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
Hmm never heard that before.
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
@@droboyjr Naw, the 06-08 has a better intake cam than the jdm k24a and 04-05 tsx engines. It's such a minor thing it's not even worth worrying about it. They did changed the rods too though between but there's debate whether the jdm and 05-06 rods are better or if the 06-08tsx rods are better.
@sentree9857
@sentree9857 Год назад
@@jesselee4405 yeah I personally went with jdm k24a.
@allmotormannydc5612
@allmotormannydc5612 2 года назад
Is that the ktuned ps delete pully? If it is what belt size did u have to run
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Yes, i believe the kit brought a 52" one. They offer a k24 and a k20 one.
@bigrob0510
@bigrob0510 2 года назад
Very great information, I have acouple questions for you
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Thank you, yes?
@bigrob0510
@bigrob0510 2 года назад
I'm running a k24a2 with rbc intake, 50 degree vtc, skunk 2 exhaust, 3 inch intake, and a budget k swap header. Also oil pump upgrade, modified injectors and a 255 fuel pump. I made 220hp 183tq, with my mods I figure I would be around 230ish hp. Trying to get to that 240 hp lol.
@bigrob0510
@bigrob0510 2 года назад
Car was tuned on a dyno jet, just wondering if my numbers sound about right. Or if I had some restriction issues or tuning issues possibly.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
@@bigrob0510 what you made what are your mods?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
@@bigrob0510 you have a k24 as well?
@AO-lt2yf
@AO-lt2yf 2 года назад
I wanna change my rev fro 7.300 to 7.800 but idk what to put for the high restart the low limit and low restart somebody help me. Plz I have cai rear header no cats and e3 spark plugs
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
This question is better suited for a tunner yoshtuned. Com he will be able to help you he also has Instagram if you want to to dm him just let him know I recommend you.
@xav1er512xo
@xav1er512xo 2 года назад
I just got a 2010 acura tsx already did window tint, sound system,cold air intake,and i just ordered coilovers.what can i do to make it a lil faster? I have a 09 civic si sedan its moded bud not tuned since there isnt a local tuner around.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
For the 2010 tsx you could get bigger injectors, bigger throttle body and you would need a tune.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
What do you have on the 09 si, I could recommend you to a tunner
@xav1er512xo
@xav1er512xo 2 года назад
I live in texas
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
@@xav1er512xo hit up yoshtuned.com his in Texas too. I did etuned being in Florida.
@xav1er512xo
@xav1er512xo 2 года назад
@@Almostboosted thanks i just wanna boost up my acura i just had it for 2 months so far its a good fun car even tho my civic si its way faster but smaller lol
@03kwam65
@03kwam65 2 года назад
Is there any manifolds that will fit the k24z3? (cu2)
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Definitely they have RBC style ones just make sure in the details is compatible with the R40 from the k24z3 with the single exhaust port. I have a k24z7 in my 2013 civic Si and is the same as your k23z3 and i seen RBC for them same R40 head.
@itachithegoatg6803
@itachithegoatg6803 3 года назад
You using a fuel regulator do you have a return fuel line?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
Yes and yes
@3030rey
@3030rey 8 месяцев назад
hahaha 240hp with that setup hard to believe but if you said 😂😂
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 8 месяцев назад
Smh
@AlanEPulidoIs
@AlanEPulidoIs Месяц назад
It could be true man! The most I’ve seen is 240 with that same set up. I am currently at 233hp & 197 ft-lb of torque running an rbc with the stock k20a2 tb, 50vtc and type s pump on e85.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Месяц назад
Very impressive. Wow, good number. My buddy of mine with a little bid of mods made on e85 260hp with 198 or so of torque
@francist8907
@francist8907 9 месяцев назад
How much all cost? Or break down on cost?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 9 месяцев назад
This type of build your looking at 10k to 12k. I'm going to do a budget breakdown for my integra. That ones I'm hoping to be less than 10k.
@onebaldman4719
@onebaldman4719 3 года назад
Drop in cams u will hit 300hp
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
One day lol
@benbuda5857
@benbuda5857 3 года назад
4.7 fd?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
Correct
@billyngo2089
@billyngo2089 3 года назад
How do you know how much whp with etune?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
My tuner has a program, I could get you in touch with him if you want?
@michaelmata10
@michaelmata10 3 года назад
What size intake piping are you running with the ZDX throttle body?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
I'm running a ktuned 70mm throttle body, 3in
@michaelmata10
@michaelmata10 3 года назад
@@Almostboosted So thats my next question, is your coupler a 3.25 to 3inch piping? ZDX needs 3.25 coupler but order 3 inch intake piping and its to small because they measure from outside of pipe. so would I need to order 3.25 inch i take piping instead to match the throttle body inlet?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
@@michaelmata10 not sure on the diameter but the one the comes off the throttle body has a bigger inlet side. They could be 3 in since it was a tight fit.
@jdmek1223
@jdmek1223 5 месяцев назад
07 comes 11 6 1 compression from jp stock 3 lobe
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 5 месяцев назад
Not RBB
@jdmek1223
@jdmek1223 5 месяцев назад
Guess you know more than me than. I'm on my 27th k build in a rhd dc2 thanks though. Take care.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 5 месяцев назад
Look it up
@josecunsako31
@josecunsako31 Год назад
Are the rdx injector plug and play ?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
They are if you have the pig tails
@acidspaz4252
@acidspaz4252 Год назад
How much did everything cost?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
The whole swap 10k + the mods to help me with hp about 2k. We are talking about 5 to 6 years ago prices now would be way more.
@itachithegoatg6803
@itachithegoatg6803 3 года назад
Make a video doing a pull👌
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
Soon
@HDfredo
@HDfredo 2 месяца назад
Guys is a 07 tsx k24a2 for $4,300 a good deal ?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 месяца назад
No, get a k24a rbb4 07 to 08 way cheaper and they can do transmission combos for les.
@HDfredo
@HDfredo 2 месяца назад
Full swap: axels, harness, (a2u5) 6 speed transmission, half shaft, shifter cables, o2 sensors
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 месяца назад
@@HDfredo what are you swapping it into?
@HDfredo
@HDfredo 2 месяца назад
@@Almostboosted 93’ civic coupe
@HDfredo
@HDfredo 2 месяца назад
Or my 06 civic hybrid it wouldn’t be boring anymore 😂
@vizacik6641
@vizacik6641 Год назад
Can we use a KB1 throttle body ? and FN2 intake ?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
You can but... your ecu and wiring has to be able to support it if going into an older honda.
@vizacik6641
@vizacik6641 Год назад
Most people with accord vii 2.4 put these parts in, suggesting that they are comparable to what you listed @@Almostboosted
@chrisrivera6638
@chrisrivera6638 3 года назад
You got a/c and power steering???
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
Nope
@icyis3
@icyis3 2 года назад
Honda guys: “240hp!!!!”
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
lol, yup lol
@Kr0n3kLe
@Kr0n3kLe Год назад
Power to weight matters
@augiegonzales7025
@augiegonzales7025 2 года назад
What intake mani gasket are you using?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Thermal gaskets i bought from hptautosport
@coreyeg87
@coreyeg87 Год назад
Are the k24a and k24a2 the same ?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
Not all k24a are considered the same. You have to find the one with the RBB head with 3 lobe on the exhaust as well. Those are k24a2 tsx equivalent also year of the engine plays a good part.
@jake_god_of_sleep6564
@jake_god_of_sleep6564 6 месяцев назад
Any k24z6 info?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 6 месяцев назад
The 2010 - 2011 year has 10.5:1 vs the 2012 - 2014 that has 10.0:1 but very similar engines. 180hp to 163ftlb.
@jake_god_of_sleep6564
@jake_god_of_sleep6564 6 месяцев назад
@@Almostboosted I’ve got a stock 2011 crv exl awd that’s paid off and I wanna dick around because I haven’t seen anyone with a modded 3rd gen crv there is an Acura equivalent in town but it’s a 2015 or newer.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 6 месяцев назад
I'm sure with mods and a flash ecu you could pick up more power
@jake_god_of_sleep6564
@jake_god_of_sleep6564 6 месяцев назад
@@Almostboosted I’m going to start looking into it more maybe a drag crv
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 6 месяцев назад
That would be cool, is definitely different. I see 2004 crv with the k24a1 boosting very cool.
@jakebayliss3588
@jakebayliss3588 3 года назад
Is this WHP??
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
Yes sir
@graysongrzybowski943
@graysongrzybowski943 3 года назад
you mentioned 2.5 diameter headers verse 3.... why are you stating that it is bad? Velocity and pressure increase a fluid with a smaller diameter pipe. I thought about going with a 2.5 diameter pipe until it got back to the cat, then change to a 3. but i dont really know much about putting this stuff in yet. I know you want the flow velocity to get out of the engine asap which would happen faster with a smaller diameter pipe.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
3" will benefit more just that at the time 3" was a bit more
@jesselee4405
@jesselee4405 Год назад
Bro bro bro, a 2.5 or 3' exhaust will rock. Just make it mandrel
@JCnordic2983
@JCnordic2983 Год назад
What was the torque increase
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
195
@macmyers1610
@macmyers1610 2 года назад
What was the things you had to do to the jdm k24? With the power steering delete
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
You'll need a Ep3 idler pulleys or the AC and PS type of pulley. You'll also need a usdm base rsx or crv waterpump housing with matching tensioner. If you wish to ruin oil cooler You'll need either k20z3 waterpump housing or rsx type s type.
@solidstreetrunz3956
@solidstreetrunz3956 3 года назад
Why 25 degree vtc instead of 50?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
I left the 25 degree in. Until I get better camshaft to pair with the 50 degree.
@jawaone2474
@jawaone2474 3 года назад
So here’s my issue I’m having on all platforms. Threads, fb groups etc. I have a jdm k24a engine rbb3 and I also have a RBC manifold. I noticed on the head of engine it has two coolant ports and the RBC manifold only has one. The kidney looking one. I noticed your rbc is not cut! Which I also don’t wanna do cause I paid a lot for mine. Can I just run it without cut. And what gasket did you use? I have the k20z3 thermo gasket from skunk2! Please help Honda family! I’m almost done with build and I want it to be done properly! Thanks in advance for your help!
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
Yes the rbc will directly bolt on along with the k20z3 gasket. The jdm k24a has the side water neck just like the z3.
@nicolerobinson3679
@nicolerobinson3679 Год назад
How much rpm you running
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
I'm set at 8400
@nicolerobinson3679
@nicolerobinson3679 Год назад
On stock k24 springs never know it could Rev so high
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
Yeah everything stock
@Hello_its_me_mario
@Hello_its_me_mario 2 года назад
Were you dyno?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Remotely with yosh tuned
@acebuilt907b2
@acebuilt907b2 Год назад
Sae or std graph.?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
To be honest, I'm not sure.
@theKrazyMan101
@theKrazyMan101 2 года назад
Are you able to use the jdm vtec solenoid which doesn't have oil pressure switch?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 2 года назад
Yes you would need to disable the feature on kpro or your ecu software.
@theKrazyMan101
@theKrazyMan101 2 года назад
@@Almostboosted Thank you!
@acidspaz4252
@acidspaz4252 Год назад
Is that 240whp?
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted Год назад
That's correct
@realtruth97
@realtruth97 3 года назад
Why o why dont they put a throttle body under the intake manifold? You know, so it can have an air intake sucking air right under the radiator. Right on the open space under the radiator. These people only care about money.
@Almostboosted
@Almostboosted 3 года назад
Centerfeed intake manifold are mostly use in racing/drag applications. Less common for street applications due to cost.
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