Thanks for the good information. For those of us that have multiple chains, it's a good way to use those chains so you don't have to buy even that many more chains. Plus, it's a DIYer thing to do this. 😁😁😁
A Guide to this video: 1.) 1:49 Mark every other pair (right and left) of cutters on the chain 2.) 3:34 Grind off half of the heads of all the marked cutters. 3.) 8:00 File the scoring cutters to 20 degrees and the clearing cutters to 0 or 10 degrees (as specified by your chain manufacturer) 4.) 18:03 Grind the rakers down to .025 using guide file 5.) 18:28 Round the rakers so they don't have a flat top
Thanks for that video. Not because I want to make it, but to understand how works the ripping chain and what's the difference with a standard chain. Thanks from France !
You got your sharpener on backwards. You always push out. Been cutting wood for 45 years. And have 15 saws. 3. 500 i. Three magnums. Two 881. Two 661. Always stroke out to the point of your tooth.
In my experience with milling, you can use a dremel with a cutting disc to cut off the top plates. Less chance of overheating you cutters. But for the time it takes to make a granberg style chain, an oregon full comp ripping chain filled at 5-10 degrees works just as good and produces a satisfactory finish with minimal plaining required
I took an extra new Oregon LPX chain that I had and converted it to a ripping chain by regrounding the cutters to 10 degrees, just to see how it would cut and put it on my MS 360. I then ripped off a slab from a round of hickory I cut last summer. I did not convert it to the granberg style, just ten degrees on every tooth and threw it on the saw. It cut pretty well, not as fast as a standard chain but fast enough. It did not produce noodles but nice chips and the wood surface was a lot smoother than I would get from a standard chain. I was real pleased. I did not even check the rakers, just re- ground the cutters and threw it on the saw right out of the box. I did nothing to the grinder but set it at ten degrees. I do not know how it will cut in other wood but it did pretty good in 25 inch hickory on a 20 inch bar with 3/8, .050, 72 chain.
Two words for you: Short and concise. Anything you can do to shorten the videos is best. Cut out crap like talking about how you are trying to focus on stuff. Someone trying to make a rip chain doesn't care about your filming process.
I set the speed up to 2X. It helped since I understood what he was saying the first time. The next 7 times helped to reinforce but they went by faster at 2x even if it turned his voice to sounding like MIckey Mouse. This vid definitively convinced me never to buy one of those Granburg (sp) deals. In the time it'd take me to figure it out and get it set up I'd been able to dremel my chain sharp and buck a chord. It looked like a broken mouse trap. I may attempt this free hand on the bar with the Dremel as well. I'm not making furniture. Just beams and stair treads, plus I have a hand plane and belt sander if the finish is that poor.
I always use a powerful magnet to capture filings so they don't wind up in the chain guide bar and drive sprocket to chew away the metal and make a sloppy wobbly fit. I recover old audio/stereo speakers and tear out the magnets for various uses. This is one of them. They make finding and picking up metal things dropped into lawn grass, weeds, and stones very easy and fast. Incidentally, I had a dog almost identical to Chester, and she could literally talk to me with a few words. "Good girl!" and "No!" were here commands to me. Every time I petted her I said "Good girl!" One time I was too tired and she laid over my feet and told me "Good girl!" to remind me to pet her. wadyano. Missing some teeth on the lower jaw behind the canines, a black spot at the base of the tail made it look like an arrow stuck in her behind and the 2 black ears. A gray colored mottled mouth and silvery white hair. She could have told me anything.
thanks for info I will be looking to making some boards this summer. Because angle in sharpening is key, to have different camera perspective to show angle that you are filing at would help a lot; also editing is nice thing to provide to the viewer, to aid the focus, stop down your lens (narrow the aperture on lens) and move camera away from subject to help with focusing. Really no need to set camera on all auto, with those tripod shots and use manual settings.
Thanks for taking the time to demonstrate this. I’m going to start milling soon and I was thinking about converting a chain in this manner. I’m going to use 3/8 chain for the narrower kerf, I may try 404 at some point once i get learned up on milling. Great video man.
What is that jig you are using for the file? Disregard..you said it in the video.. www.baileysonline.com/Chainsaw-Chain/Files-Filing-Accessories/Chain-Filing-Guides/Granberg-Filing-Guides/Granberg-File-N-Joint-Precision-Filing-Guide.axd
yeah its hard to see clear in the dark n its hard to listen to a guy shoot shit for 27 minutes when it only should take 5 minutes but then again im sure theres lots of dumb ass people watching this that still dont understand what hes doing
It's not squared because your leaning the square against the chain on top bot not on the bottom, if it was on the saw setup to cut it should be square.
The idea is each cut clears half the kerf at a time providing a smoother result. Will Malloff is the grand dad of CSM. Read his book Chainsaw Lumber Making. The practices you see talked about today all originated from the work he did.
Thanks for sharing this video with us, appreciate you doing this. I subbed as well. Keep up the fun videos my friend. Go pro video edit software is made strictly for go pro, if will do the time lapse if you use a go pro, but take a battery pack with you, the battery in a go pro wont last long enough for a time lapse of any length. Dale
It that in focus??? All kidding aside good video man! Just graduated from an 18" to 24" and who knows whats next as the need arises. I'm very interested in learning all about chain types. Off the shelf chains make a board but I know I'm not being efficient with my time or kind to my saw...
OH! That's interesting. you have the chain clamp of the file guide on TOP of the tie strap. I and every instruction video I've seen, always put it UNDER the tie strap on the drive link. Is that "the way you've always done it" or did you decide to do that for a reason?
I have the cheapest home Depot chain saw. What is a better and top of the line saw to use for your own milling with home made mills and what am I hearing for prices?
it's obvious I'm going to have to watch this multiple times to be able to understand what in the hell you're talking about. Like a lot of people you have good technical knowledge but when you try to make a video you're out to lunch. You need a script. You need better editing. Straight forward without fumbling around verbally or manually
slfga for only having 24 videos I think I'm doing pretty good. I try my best to use the correct terminology all the time and that's why I may pause from time to time while speaking. I've never thought about using a script. I've watched scripted videos in the past and I prefer unscripted for some reason. Maybe if I had a list of talking points that would be good. So what are you confused about in this video. I'll elaborate and explain more on the ripping chain conversion process. Thanks for commenting
slfga I'm also editing my videos on an IPhone. I think they aren't to bad considering that. I see worse editing all the time even when people are using a computer with good software. I am looking into getting a good laptop I can edit videos with.
Kyler Monares I understand completely if I made a video it would be the same way. I may know what I'm doing and how to do it easily but if I had to film it do it and explain it I'd be more than "out to lunch" I be be gone fishing. it's not easy. but thanks for the video even if we have to watch it a few times its here to be able to watch as many times as I need.
got a little frustrated too but i tried to get past the various oh wait is that on focus let me check right i think, come on focus focus focus lol. Tip: don't ever shoot handheld, place your camera/phone always on tripod, focus and then hit record.
A decent video and it helps to not have your fingers in the way. The focus was good too. That file guide is Chinese quality.... Time for free handing by eye.
Do you think a still farm and ranch 391 will work or be enough of a saw to mill a light amount of wood, ? I don't know that I need the bigger 461, thinking about trying a 391., your thoughts on it would be greatly appreciated, I have a small place, and will want to make some 4x4 or some small amount of milled lumber for personal use.
I actually use an Stihl MS251 for ripping. Yes its a tad under power and takes a little longer for me but it works. I use the same homemade chain he is making in this video. I am a salesman for Stihl and I have sold a few MS 391s tp people who are using for chainsaw mills. I have not had any complaints so I would imagine it will be fine. When I upgrade my rip saw it will be the ms391!
Oh yeah, I know all about the KNIPEX. I live for the German made tools. Also thank you for the video, very informative, very helpful, saved me money. Btw, the Nikon camera looks incredible, beautiful definition!
IMO, a waste of your time, taking off the top plates. Been using Granberg guide for 40+ yrs; you're going at it backwards- notice the chatter filing outside-in? Best chain I've found for milling is full-skip semi-chisel on 32" bar, w/30 deg top-plate and .040" depth gauges. AND ... usable for any wood-cutting. Think long, think wrong, sometimes, like here.
Jacques Blaque these chains I have made leave extremely smooth finishes on the slabs.... having 30 degree top plate angles doesn't help the finish. Yeah it may cut fast but whatever time you save in the cut you have to fix by hand with elbow grease later.
What makes you say that? Certainly not experience. Notice I said "semi-chisel". THAT matters. Gives nice surface finish, which planer "polishes". Ability to mill & crosscut a BIG PLUS. Time is valuable too. "Fix by hand"? WTF? (Some experts use only full-chisel.)
This is a semi chisel chain..... not using full chisel for milling. I've seen slabs milled with full chisel. Not a good finish. What I mean by fix by hand is that you either have to use a hand plane or sand to smooth the finish. Not many people have an electric planer that can plane a slab 32" wide... If you don't want to cut half your top plates off that's fine. I'm not telling you what to do. I made this video to show one way to make a ripping chain. I prefer the 10 degree top plate angle for ripping
When I switch back and forth from cross cutting and ripping you have to take the mill off the bar. Spend an extra minute to switch chains is no big deal.
ty for the tutorial very good i had wondered how they made the rip chain from regular , the sharpening jig you are using , i am surprised that the offset tilt is only 5 Dec settings , the McCulloch saw sharpening jig i got are 1 to 10 Dec settings on tilt and 0 to 50 Dec on the angle pitch settings with 33 and 45 Dec angles highlighted for regular sharpening settings
Great video, thats for showing us how to do that. That is one thing I don't like about the Grandberg, all the adjusters nuts are difficult to set. 10 degrees for the cutters? Seems kind of blunt, I would have thought it would be 30 degrees or more. Do they go with 10 to stay sharp longer? Do you find the Grandberg doesn't do a good enough job removing the gullet, or do you do it separate just to do them better? Nice slabs! Nice trailer, I need to get me a trailer... hopefully this year. Btw, new camera seems to be working good. Are you wearing a lapel mic, or is that just the built in mic on the camera? Thanks and take care!
for crosscutting 30 degree angle cuts across the wood fibers better. when milling the cutters are cutting end grain so a less of an angle cuts end grain better. the 10 degree wont necessarily stay sharp longer. but what it does is it helps prevent the cutter from being pulled to one side of the kerf which in turn causes a rough finish on the slabs.
Yeah the granberg is harder to adjust then my bench grinder..... kind of annoying. the granberg actually removes the gullet pretty well depending on what size file you have installed and what settings are used. i just go back through and make sure i get it all out of there "Get the Gullet"
Kyler Monares Lol! Yep... I got questions! 👍 Thanks for the explanation on the cutter angles. I hadn't thought about the difference in grain... makes sense. Yeah, camera mic works good for bench filming. Great video, keep em coming! Take care!
Kyler, have you tried going to the 0-15 deg angle and leaving the cutter width alone on any chains? On your guide squareness issue, dress the inside face on the bar clamp to thin it a little at the top and you will remedy that issue. You might also want to try .010 - .015" for your rakers.
johnnybarbar thanks! I'll try out the raker depth. I have used straight 10 degree cutters in the past and I find that it was easier to bog the saw down. With the "Granberg" style filing it was more forgiving. Milling all day can get pretty tiring and quite frustrating with the saw bogging down. That might have to do with the fact I am using a .025 depth on the rakers. Even more forgiving if I try .015-.020. Thanks! I'll make another chain up and try again
Some of the better reported milling chain users used .010" rakers...they may have been underpowered. Some factory chain uses .035" but that's a pretty good bite to take it seems.
Try adding a small winch, braided nylon cord and an anchor pully to pull the mill through the log....makes things easy and leaves an incredibly smooth finish since there is no see-sawing.
It doesn't jive with all i've been told since forever... 1 ripping saws have much larger toothed blades, why did they have you make the blade smaller?? No way does taking a crosscut blade and removing teeth or changing their angle make it a rip saw..also the pieces of chain between blades has to be lowered to the blade height, that idk why the manufacturers dont want the blade just digging in, these stop that...
Thomas Broking have you ever ground them completely off an tried it? The saw will jump and very dangerous hard to control and another is its hard a your saw and it will catch and probably not be able to pull the chain
This video makes me want to scream. Too much yapping and repeating info. Way to much filler blabber about stuff that has nothing to do with the topic. But in the end though it was painful, I did learn how to convert a chain.
You can adjust all those things, using the filing jig. Sharpening, gulleting , rakers, all using the Grandberg filing jig. Fitting a small flat file in for the rakers, staight after you file your clearing cutters at 0 degrees. Much easier and more precise.
Seriously I made it 7 minutes in and had to bale lol. Not only are you taking to long to explain what you are doing and including unnecessary nonsense like talking about your camera but you are not doing a very good job of explaining. You should re-film this video to eliminate the nonsense and consider using a white board to illustrate what you are doing. Also instead of showing the grinding wheel for 40 seconds or more just show say ten seconds because we get the idea. The white board could be used before you actually do something, that way we the viewer know what to look for. Also, edit out the times your camera is out of focus and/or the time you spend focusing it. I’m not a troll I’m just trying to explain to you how to improve your videos so you don’t lose likes and subs while simultaneously providing excellent how to videos. I will come back in 2 weeks to see if you have improved this video and if you have I will like subscribe and share with all my friends. As for right now I can not in good conscience do any of those.
I love a razor sharp chain. I don’t loan my saws for that reason. Not long ago a friend needed a saw ,even thou I have 3 I couldn’t let it go so I bought him one. He went to the woodpile happy as a new saw owner can be. Put oil in the oil chamber and gas in the gas tank. Had that happy look on his face ,see he’s 38 y.o. First saw and I bought it. He got to the wood pile in one piece and he had that (“I just climb that mountain rest is a breeze. After all what can happen on a deck of clean fir ,no bark and did say 18 “ logs cut in 16 “ long..this is where I explain why I keep my saws for me all 3 of them. He’s ready to go the bull is blowing snot and he is ready That saw was wound up tighter than a $2.50 carnival watch screaming to get wood I screaming. The piston soon realized
When I looked I c no oil in the gas it burned hot so hot it melted the piston and completely distroyed the saw I bought him. Next time you see me don’t ask for my saw. I might take the first one tie it around your neck and throw it overboard.please don’t ask to borrow my saw, my dad, brother,sister or moms saw ,be safe say now to borrowed saws. A you will stand better chance in COVID ward At hospital that borrow my saws, use his ,there’s anyone’s but mine.
I stopped watching when I saw that you dont know how to use a bench grinder properly. The unsafe practice of using the side of the wheel can cause it to disintegrate and change the shape of your face as chunks of stone rip through flesh. If you're teaching people using power tools, please unsure that you follow safe practices (for the safety of your "students").
