How To Make Electro A Stronger Element? | Genshin Impact 

honestly, even if the resonance was changed to generate a few white particles instead of electro ones it would be a great change

Hmm I'm thinking about cooldown reduction for skill or burst? Many artifacts help now with particles and energy recharge but not really with cdr.

@@victonxvixxxveriveryfanboy3887 if I remember correctly, the Cooldown reduction is already there and you can get it once you place your 2 Anemo characters on your party (check on Elemental Resonation on your Party Setup, this configuration will give you Elemental Skill Cooldown reduction by 5%)

No they probably intentionally evade giving ER as Elemental Resonance. Since electro is about quick recharge and certain character (Raiden and Mona) had ability to increase their damage which is overlapping with pyro and geo characteristics

raiden go brrrr

They probably knew this as Thundersoother is an artifact set that has existed since the game launched.

@@CoolMintMC I find it kinda odd as to why there is a set to resist pyro and electro damage but not the other elements.

Specialy using razors burst... Its the worst....

@@sansthememe5316 you can die by burning and electro-charged unlike wet and freeze that doest harm your character

The worst situation is when something infused with electro gets stuck in a patch of firey grass. You just get launched any time you get near.

Wasn't it right when Kazuha was about to be released? *wink*

I kinda hope mhy does it again in some way for yae miko

Except that wasn't for electro specifically but to promote Kazuha banner, all transformative reactions got buffed with swirl benefitting the most from it.

@@Verseilus yep it was for him lol, they NEVER cared about electro, because it’s the only element so far that never got favored in the abyss, not even when Ei got released..

If I remember right swirl is the second weakest reaction and the only reasons it's so good is that the VV set amps it to 11 and swirl is always the trigger of the reaction on top of most Anemo units are able to apply a decent amount of swirls to a group of enemies. It was a novelty originally but the buff made it just good enough to build for on these units over atk and crit.

Bsst part about electro is the very niche childe tazer comps or just physical comps which have lots of use

@BunsGlazing the whole point of geo is that you are not supposed to do many reactions, it is built around that

A bit of a spoiler for anyone who is interested A reaction between electro and dendro was confirmed by beta testers but it's going through a few name changes, They say the reaction current deals with lowering def or ATK of an opponent during reaction.

@BunsGlazing I whould say that the point of element is to not get one shoted (have the strongest shielders), and just being easy at using because no need to care about mastery or immunities (except slimes ofc)

@BunsGlazing the characters have good builds like Fischl who can deal consistent electro damage off the field but I was saying the reactions are very underwhelming. The point of geo isn’t the reactions tho it’s the provide shields

I'm pretty usre 3 characters provide energy: Raiden, Eectro traveller, and Sara

@@phantasmalflight3896 Sara ER gen is extremely little, Fischl is better even

@@yashsarda2263 I know, but that doesn't change the fact that she still gives energy to the whole team

@@phantasmalflight3896 if you're going with that then its not only "3 characters" it's "all the electro units" now lol the energy sara provides is copium

@@kukukgger5086 No, I mean how her 4th ascension passive directly restores energy to the team. Not much, but she still directly restores energy like Raiden. Fischl doesn't, she only generates particles

The cutscenes sell to us a completely different unit compared to what we really got. Yey traveler is a dumb sub-dps once again. Like rlly i prefer sub- dps characters and stuff. But 3 versions of traveler had already been sub-dps at this point. And i am almost sure dendro and hydro traveler will be as well, so why even bother going away from geo traveler the only one who can rlly dish out dmg. 🤡

@@capperbuns well ...maybe the hydro one will be a healer....idk if that's better or worse lol

Same I thought my Keqing would become much stronger or more usable

The first time i used ele traveller my reaction was "why this is so goddamn weak lmfao? Not only that why this doesnt generate particles and had very long cooldown?" Then i decide to ignore ele traveller.

@@tthsgun i usually use their burst and swich to a dps for elemental reaction

Very glad someone brought this up. It's also the only C0 source of Defence shred :D

@@Ang3LofSp4rK yeah! that's rad!

I was LOOKING for this, THANK YOU I can now be happy

@@bixl8893 JFNDHD yw!!

really annoying how so many people forget about lisa tbh

Did they rework electro resonance? AFAIK all they did to electro resonance is they added dendro reactions to the description. Nothing more

Resonance is a pretty limiting way to buff it though - if Electro's only viable when 50% of your team is electro it's always going to be relegated to a novelty for solving certain content that's designed for it instead of being viable in it's own right

Electro characters' battery capabilities are already fine, because batterying is pretty straightforward. The real problem with electro is its lack of offensive reaction potential, which makes it a dud element for offensive characters. All else held equal, all electro characters would be objectively stronger if you just made them cryo instead, which really should not be the case.

Imagine if Elec Reso gave a small buff to ER instead of just a single Electro particle every 5 seconds.

@@66maybe66 No the problem is their stamina usage for hyper carries outside Raiden. Take Keqing for example hers is monstrously bad for a carry. I think overload should instead give characters a 10 second buff of 50% less stamina consumption and 10% attack speed.

@@IveBeenWithBruma Of the seven electro characters, only Keqing and Lisa have stamina problems. Razor doesn't use his charged attack, Fischl and Sara's don't use stamina, and Raiden and Beidou's are fine.

And that I could live with, if only the enemies were staggered NEARLY as much as I...

@@RazielAndy That's the problem. The stagger feels weak on them.

@@silverhawkscape2677 there isn't stagger i think

@@brokage8398 There is but on anything bigger than a hilichurl it's basically non-existant.

It's a situation with high risks and low rewards....

Yeah and also electro itself in the game is based on energy, lightning striking the ground literally gives you energy, and the resonance too, but it's soooo weak. You get so little energy from the electro resonance, etc. They could also make it based on CD, haven't seen an element like that before.

Also, on the speed thing, since speed in this case applies to your character directly, maybe we can have an elemental reaction that buffs you when it is applied to yourself, for example, maybe if overload is applied to your character instead of the enemy, it would buff your attack speed (normal, charged, you get it.), it would be unique, an elemental reaction that's beneficial when applied to the character itself, not to mention attack speed is really underrated, it's basically multiplicative, and while it doesn't buff the electro damage specifically, it can be used by a lot of characters that rely on their normal attacking talent (Which is a lot of characters, like ganyu, hu tao, xiao, eula, tart (Elemental skill's normal attack), etc.)

that's broken high damage honestly

This is so broken, I love it

That's doing nothing for electro...its just making pyro stronger and having electro relying on pyro to be good...same for other elemental reactions ...Good idea but it's not solving the main problem. I think Mihoyo needs to associate energy recharge with electro resonance and reactions since both Shougun, Yae Miko and Beido both need high energy to trigger burst, plus making electro reactions produce more particles and increasing speed will bring more value to all electro characters...so if Pyro does 90K vaporize damage in 5 seconds total...then maybe it will take electro reactions 3 seconds to reach a similar number but still hav in pyro serve the purpose of being the offensive element

thats too broken. even with 25-30% thats too much and will throw balance. i do agree with the ER resonance, but the others look too much like a dream

Electro charge should also cause the effected enemy to stop moving for a second or two, like how enemies can be frozen.

Funny thing is that electro, and dendro reaction is even better than that. what I'm about to say is a leak so take it with a grain of salt.. Electro and electro decreases elemental resistance, just like electro and cryo that decrease physical resistance.

Multiplicative reactions would not improve any existing electro characters. Multiplicative reactions most benefit single huge damage numbers. All the existing Electro characters deal a flurry of small numbers. Given how ICD works for multiplicative reactions, only a small part of any existing electro's damage would get reacted and the rest would not react at all. It's why Ayaka is a trash melt dps. Despite her burst doing a ton of damage, it does so in a ton of tiny cryo hits so she only Melts like 1/3 of it due to ICD. Multiplicative reactions are not the answer for fixing any existing Electro. Also due to hitlag, attack speed does a lot less to improve melee dps than you would think. 12% more attack speed does not mean 12% more dps as many other factors like hitlag, dashing and other things don't get reduced. This is more a true boost to ranged characters though, as they don't need to sprint to catch up to targets nor suffer the hitlag issues.

I personally think dendro is going to a side element like geo or anemo. I hope your prediction becomes true

How about higher crit DMG on enemis under the electro effect?

Honestly, I think dendro should be something like anemo and geo. Constructs and driving reactions

There's Razor's energy recharge, and I guess you could argue that Oz can give you up to like 10 particles or that perfect counters on Beidou can give like 5 particles for a relatively short CD despite not having energy recharge in their kits, but they do have electro resonance as well.

Yea that is an idea Mihoyo seems to have had but I feel it's not all that necessary. Most of the time using the same element gives enough energy recharge already. Nice idea but I personally dont think it'll help electro much if it's just the battery element.

@@Estrio21 If they give good bursts with good multipliers then I think it could help electro. Let´s wait to see what they will do with Yae Miko, since there´s speculation that she will also benefit from energy management.

Having at least two electro characters in your active party can also make any reaction involving electro give you energy particles. But Mihoyo should expand more on that. It seems a very small benefit compared to other elements.

Fischl is also p much a battery besides being a really strong subdps, which is why I love using her and Ei in the same team, I literally never have to worry about energy xD

My first 5* other than traveller were Keqing then Raiden, and Razor was my first gacha four star other than Noelle cause she's guaranteed in the novice banner this could not be even more true

mine is for sure pyro! spamming bennett's skill on grass and then switching to beidou for counter is very very fun

Welp,not really. My first 5* was Diluc but I did bench him for the cute funeral parlor director. Also my favourite is Anemo because of my love for Venti,also getting Xiao after Diluc.

hmm, my first five star was qiqi and i think i like to play with healers.

Zhongli for me. Only missing Geo character would be Albedo. He kept pairing up with another Geo banner so had to pass him up.

Same exact thing happened to me. I was lulled into "listening to serious facts" mode and then "booba sword" just totally blindsided me. XD

Why did I misread this as "Chongyun's boobah sword"

@@alyce.6617 Sometimes we see what we want to see...

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how about in point 3: reduces energy cost of bursts by XX%

Wouldn't that be a tad bit game breaking vs bosses? Think about it why build damage just slap on The Bell on Beidou and any other hp based weapon on the dendro characters. Too much hp to die and all you have to do is wait 100 seconds while reapplying corrosion.

To me, a Corrosion effect makes more sense for a Hydro-Dendro reaction because *Mold*

My theory Pyro Dendro continuous burn (which is already in game) Hydro Dendro stamina Drain, as plant grows and absorb Cyro Dendro no reaction needed but I would like slowness Anemo Dendro bleed leaves cut with air speed so corrosion there Electro dendro uncontrollable movement (no reaction need otherwise) Geo dendro idk

@@sharishth Irl, plant roots can break rocks. So, a Dendro-Geo reaction could lower DEF. Another possible route could be "fossilization" which would work exactly like freeze but heavy attacks wouldn't instantly break enemies out of it?

@@mistman_161 corrosion in nature is oxydizing metal.. So it's should have been with geo and hydro. But we all know Geo only do crystallize with everything.

That sounds amazing! I would very much love to see that!

That makes many electro units better then before. Especially Keqing and even makes my fav archon Raiden even better. I'd love that stacking reaction to be a thing.

Technically lisa already has that mechanic, and other non electro characters iirc, like yanfei and eula or nigguang(stack up with basic attacks/skills and use it all up by holding the same button), or even benett's skill, holding it down charges it up. But yea, i hope that can be the prominent theme with electro units

lisa sorta has this exact mechanic already built into her kit with her E / hold E

@@sugoidude7823 yea.. plus it stacks up to 3. Tho i don't really like to use it, rather tap e to infuse electro on the enemy instead of charging, takes a long wind up animation and takes a while to use it again

That's how I would make overload work, honestly.

I was thinking this too but instead of a big charged damage, it was a combo where it never caps but the more electro damage you deal, the more your next hit will deal

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@Ze TheGame talk about it being not enough when sukokomon and raiden national, two very popular teams, bank on the fact that electro charged does not remove the hydro and electro on the enemy

But then if they add a dendro dps it could easily end up in the same spot that electro is currently in. With these single sided elemental reactions, one of the elements won’t get the higher multipliers unless they do a complete overhaul of the system.

@@flytelp yep. Dendro definitely has its work cut out for it. Cuz it gives more advantage to pyro more than dendro when getting the burning reaction, hopefully we'll get better, equal sided reactions for dendro and the rest of the elements

@@eh9618 Yeah, All the other elements had 1+ year of balancing and buffs with resonances, artifacts, and characters. Dendro is practically nonexistent with the only known properties that it has are constructs, and a hp field drain. The only elemental reaction it has is burning (dendro + pyro). What I'm hoping is that dendro will have unique reactions with anemo and geo. For example, geo + dendero would result in a kind a rooted reaction that would cause an enemy to have plants grow all over them that would drain hp and slow them. Anemo + dendro would cause an hp drain field with defense reduction.

@@periwinkle1136 i think dendro can be a pseudo healer but also damage dealer. You steal health from the enemy..but we already sorta do that with healers, you increase health while damaging enemies

I think for dendro it would make sense to have “poison/rotting” reaction - hydro+dendro = continuous hp reduction that ignores def and shields, maybe?

Superconduct should flat out reduce DEF so it can increase all sorts of dmg and act as a flexible support as well and not only a dps element that supports itself.

How about instead of increasing dmg on overload make it a reaction that always crits based on em?

@@Aeonite505 now THATS an idea I like, tho I do see some problems making it always crit, making it Able to crit alone would be amazing. Maybe something similar like you said, making the crit chance based on EM would also be good maybe every 50 EM can be 10%? Just a quick idea on my part, I have not thought of any balancing.

@@justindishaw3219 Another idea would be when causing overload you gain an additional energy particles since electro is about ER

@@Aeonite505 They could also make it so the base electro element stacks as if you were building up "charge", and depending on how many stacks it has it would deal more damage and take half the stacks away with say a max stack of 15 or 10 (say your idea for overload gives white energy at 5 stacks, electrocharged Chains to more enemy's and farther enemy's and superconduit could shred more armor, maybe crystallize can give more shield strength, and I would leave swirl unchanged and just make it so it only consumes 1 stack per swirl, everything based on electro stacks), since I've seen many people mention how electro is also about fast attacks and how most charaters can't keep up with electro application. This would buff every electro reaction not just overload. And would Introduce what I would think to be a unique and playstyle for electro that isn't just a weak damage cc. I'm having to much fun thinking of ideas and ir makes me sad knowing they will most likely just make it another boring damage scailing if they do buff it at all.

You saw overvape and/or sukokomon and thought of this huh (props to you this would be great actually, a bit op but great)

Tbh electrocharge already does that. Though it would be useful for overload (if it wouldn't scatter enemies around).

It wouldn't though. Because ICDs exist and most electro characters have it.

The one who trigger reaction damage based on EM If leave electro element for a few second it will be trouble for char that has low EM And deal low dmg I still prefer electro to be played with high EM GO try raiden with 1000 EM ++ U will see the dmg of consistency from overload and electro charged

Isn't main thing about ec is applying 2 different element at the same time, which allows for double swirl and sometimes triple(sukokomon). Idk why this video didn't say anything about it when most popular electro teams like taser are build around that mechanic almost.

@@kiuhh1118 main thing? Barely. More like a saving grace ofe an exploit. Which wasn't even viable before anemo buff.

@@Soundwave1900 , taser existed long before anemo buff. It wasn't as viable, however it was still a strong team regardless.

Skill damage counts too, the Zhongli pillars pulse applied the moth effect on signora's shield there.

@@kiuhh1118 fair

@@Hezkun if characters were what we judged an element by, then electro and geo are great elements by virtue of shogun and zhongli. We don't judge elements that way though, because there are lackluster characters in all the elements as well as inevitable comparisons to hu tao/ganyu in regards to the amp reaction teams. Electro and geo are lackluster elements, they just have characters with good/interesting kits.

@@APineappleR thank you, that is exactly my point

@@APineappleR Exactly good job explaining.

Some of the current top meta teams do actually use Electro, but in a very specific way. Raiden National and Sukokomon NEED electro, as electro charged keeping both hydro and electro aura on a target allow for super crazy reaction cascades where (in raiden national) you get electrocharged, vaporize and overload at once for more damage than even VV swirled melt. For Sukokomon (admittedly a very finicky and mechanically weird team) you get swirl on top and the damage output is insane. That said, both of these are kind of using a very specific variant of reactions that most random electro teams can't really capitalize on.

@@TheEmperorGulcasa Those teams could be called really niche, Raiden-National is an overvape team and most of the damage comes from raiden's multipliers and xianling's vapes. Sokokomon is the same but using the generally high EM on Sucrose to buff the damage from electrocharged and overload that then get multiplied by vaping, again, most of the damage comes from an specific character strength, pyro multipliers and just 1 virtue from electro, that is also a virtue from hydro...

I agree woth everything except Thundering Fury. TF is arguably the best 4 piece for Keqing. If used correctly, her E cd can be cut in half essentially doubling the damage from her skill (this is especially doable with electrocharge). Imagine not having to waste stamina running? Blinking around every 3~4 seconds then unleasing charge attacks? Anyways, the potential of TF is actually really large and over a large period of time it can actually deal so much damage, but it was never meant to be a "damage-per-screenshot" artifact which led to it being underappreciated. It's also in theme with how electro works, consistent dps (as opposed to pyro's burst dps); Keqing's ult doing a multitude of small damage, Beidou's ult adding on hit, Fischl's Oz giving constant dps, Razor's flurry, Raiden's E

@@username-ql8ox I mean the thing is people have run TF Keqing since the start. It's not just damage per screenshot. Her team dps with it or any other combination just isn't that competitive. It's not terrible. She can still clear stuff ok. But you compare her damage, whether in short bursts or sustained periods, against other hyper carries, let alone super meta teams like Morgana, National or whatnot, and she's just not keeping pace with her currently available tools, nor is she useful for the roles where Electro is meta. So changing that without changing electro's core mechanics requires a better artifact, weapon or support character that maximizes her tools in ways they currently aren't.

The first (national) is a Xiangling carry team, and the second (Sukokomon) is a Sucrose carry team. If you actually try playing a electro main dps carry (Raiden, Keqing, Beidou, Fischl) team you are incentivised by theorycrafters to ignore electro reactions altogether and use a third buffer (something like Kazuha + Bennett + Sara and carry) than an enabler for reactions, they're not worth it for electro dps characters. It's really sad that even theorycrafters don't care about electro reactions anymore, "electro dps should care only about their scaling" is not what I want in a game about elemental reactions. Geo is in the same sad place, their reactions are useless so the only thing that matters is their scaling, and there already is the existence of physical dps, where their numbers is the only thing that matters. So what is the difference between electro dps, geo dps and physical dps? Their colors? What I want is for electro dps (and geo too) to be mechanically different from the others, having their reactions changing the way we play with electro dps in comparison to others, that's what at least happens in the other elements: pyro dps with their reactions is about timing application correctly so you get the 1.5x or 2x buff, cryo dps is all about freezing and crowd control, anemo dps utilizes tazer gameplay, and the build changes too to full EM (with the exception of Xiao who has no reason to be anemo, if he were physical and scaling changed accordingly nobody would tell a difference). All of the other elements with their dps feel so unique in comparison to one another then there's electro dps and geo dps where only scaling matters.

@@rafaelbittencourtmiranda4338 Raiden is still the field unit for Raiden National and she and her reactions contribute a fair bit to damage. Raiden and Electro reactions are what separate the team from older national shells like Sucrose driver. I also think it's rich to call Sukokomon a Sucrose carry team. It's working on a different angle from a traditional carry team. Sucrose happens to be the driver, but I don't think she is necessarily irreplaceable if new anemo characters come out that fit the team's criteria. Also Beidou taser teams are plenty powerful. Not top tier but a more than competitive secondary team. I think it's worth pointing out that there aren't a lot of electro main dps in general. Fischl, Beidou, electro traveler, Sara and to an extent Raiden are all supportive units. Razor is also a phys dps who is just incidentally electro. DPS Fishcl is also a physical dps. Even Keqing does half time as a physical carry. In a sense, what a main dps electro is supposed to be is pretty undefined since apart from Keqing, who is very old, there isn't one. Electro reactions are not useless. They are maybe slightly lower powered, but plenty of teams make good use of their reactions. Again, taser teams are a competent team that rely on electrocharged and electro/hydro swirl. Raiden National and Sukokomon also use electro reactions as fundamental parts of how the teams operate regardless of how you want to define who is wearing the dps pants in the team. Future elemental cascade teams will likely continue to require a suitable electro member because of how fundamental electrocharged is to how these teams work. These are also some of the more popular conceptual areas for theorycrafters to play around in. I'll also point out that despite pyro being the super dps element, most of it's characters are mediocre or bad at this point. Only Bennet, Xiangling and Hutao are still really meta relevant. Diluc is pretty mediocre at this point. Klee never worked with her own elemental reactions properly, Yanfei's damage is too low and Yoimia is both clunky and still not that good. Hydro also doesn't really have a defined carry role. Like electro, most of their members are just building blocks in teams for other drivers. The only main dps is Childe and he's...ok. Geo I will agree was a failed element from the start. Crystalize is just poorly implemented and they have clearly largely given up on crystalize being an important part of Geo gameplay. The element is incredibly insular and they seem to just be leaning into that with the current support. Ultimately, most electro characters see frequent usage in effective teams. If anything, it's got a very good density of popular and effective characters, only really beaten by Hydro, who has a really small pool, and Cryo because Blizzard Strayer was overtuned and broken. Electro might not be the best element for a hypercarry dps right now, but that also doesn't seem to be the space most Electro are occupying or where the element seems to be going. Electro sees pretty good usage overall and has places in some meta teams and said teams are making use of electro reactions to do their thing. I cannot really see that as being a totally failed element. Are there still some gripes I have and things I'd like to see changed? Sure, but I think saying electro as a whole is in a bad spot isn't true anymore.

@@TheEmperorGulcasa It's good electro reactions help others, but can't they help their own dps units too? Just so they can have their own identity. With the other elements it's the reactions that make each element carry unique from one another, and that's what I want for electro reactions too.

I really like this idea! And no, its not because I main Razor... xD

Attack speed makes more sense for Anemo res, electro res should get Elemental skill cooldown or something else instead that allow u to generate energy faster

@@Ben-vg6ox the reason I went with attack speed as because electro is a sustained DPS element rather than a Burst element, a lot of electro characters would enjoy the attack speed too like razor, DPS fischl, Baal, beidou, or even use Miko? if leaks are true. Making the identity of electro a fast paced sustain damage rather than just pyro -1.0 really helps distinguish it's playstyle. As for resonance in general i feel like a lot of them should be revamp to better suit the majority of characters rather than just some. For example hydro resonance is extremely mediocre in non ocean-hued clam teams, if they changed it to something like: After applying the hydro element (1%), using an elemental skill (5%), or burst (10%), heals party members. Additionally healing recieved and healing bonus for all party members is increased by 30%. This actually signifies hydro as the support element it is while also giving it's DPS members of the element (mainly Childe and the soon to come ayato) a sustain option. I feel like the resonance system needs a big overhaul to be as good as the pyro and geo resonances

@@Rakaan238 Increasing healing bonus and incoming healing bonus by 30% each amounts to 60% increase in healing. Which is, quite frankly, too much because at that point the only way to die while using Kokomi would be one shot mechanics or enemies that can perma-freeze you.

Xiangling is light years ahead of Beidou. Xiangling is absolute top of the meta whereas Beidou comes and goes with abyss rotations since she's completely reliant on what kind or how many enemies are present.

@@sweetillusions5495 I have built both Xiangling and Beidou and I am saying this as someone who has a very powerful build for both of them. Xiangling is better yes but not by a lot, Beidou has never not been good in a patch imo, there has never been a single abyss where Beidou hasn't been meta because there has never been an abyss where it's literally only bosses. Beidou does the most damage when there is 2 or more enemies, that is true, but I think that can also be said for Xiangling because if you're just fighting 1 enemy it's wasting the aoe of her burst just like Beidou.

@@zedith6045 You analyzed their damage wrong because Beidou loses a huge amount of damage when her burst is only hitting one enemy whereas Xiangling there's no real damage loss. More enemies being hit by a Xiangling burst is just a bonus whereas Beidou burst REQUIRES you to have 2+ enemies for optimal damage output. Xiangling is so good to the point where they had to nerf her very hard since Closed Beta, and despite that she's still the Queen of off-field DPS output. Beidou's damage output is just too conditional, she's a niche character but that's also her greatest strength because once those conditions are met she's extremely strong. Vape Xiangling has been a staple for a long time for a good reason.

@@sweetillusions5495 yeah she does suffer more when there's less enemies but I've still used her in the abyss against a single Magu Kenki before and killed it easily. Xiangling is still better but Beidou is still S tier, the way I see it is Beidou is S tier and Xiangling is SS tier. Granted I'm not a meta slave and I never have been so I honestly could care less who is better but the difference is not that huge, you can watch tier lists from very well established meta players saying that Beidou is really high up there as a main DPS. You can look at Zy0x's video where he says that she is tied with Eula at 5th place for being one of the best DPS characters, Xiangling is number 2 on that list but still, the difference is not that big as to make Beidou like B tier and Xiangling SSS+ tier.

This is just half true. If Fischl for example was Hydro or Cryo instead she'd be concidered god tier becuase she'd enable other characters to vape/melt or she'd multiply her own damage. Some electro characters are good, true, but that is DESPITE being electro. Imagine Raidens burst with double damage from a reaction.

@@andreashofmann4556 first off fischls icd on her oz without c6 IS HUGE like every 4-5 hits she applies the element and that isn't enough to enable any pyro carry and also not enough to make it worth it to melt/vape her own damage. Also if they were really hydro or cryo then they would balance out their scaling to be lower. edit: better explanation

Agreed except the resonance part. 4 electro particles in 20 sec really isn't a lot when you considered that Beidou's elemental skill cooldown is only 7,5 sec, Fischl's Oz also generate 4 energy in only 5 sec and not to mention its in electro particles instead of white particles so most non-electro units won't really benefit much. If they change the resonance into like pyro but instead of ATK, its ER would have been good or just change the electro particle into white particle is still a good thing (honestly idc most likely mihoyo won't change anyway).

@@jehezz yeah the white particles would be a lot better for the team but for fischl raiden and beidou it gives about a 30-35% increase in particle generation which is pretty good

@@jehezz 4 electro particles every 20 seconds is actually more than you think it is, if you assume that you beidou parry off cooldown, you get about 2.5 parries every 20 seconds, by getting an extra beidou parry worth of particles you basically get ~30% more energy.

That's very true electro DPS only have very little artifact choices

If Electro reactions were made for buffs it would definitely do a lot better than it does now But comparing that to some of the reactions of other elements in the game (Except Geo) it still wouldn't be much better than just unga bunga vaporize everything into extinction

@@thenomainman5499 As the video stated, Electro should open for new playstyles rather than trying to catching up Pyro. Pyro was made to be the DPS element by nature. No surprise to see them having access to the two best reactions in the game.. But for exemple, Cryo is atm on par with Pyro, because freezing or physical superconduct are efficient reactions and part of Cryo identity They have access to a crazy good artefact set (which Electro lacks) and a three good carry DPS characters (Electro only has Raiden C2+, the rest is either bad or off-field DPS) Electro's identity is atm a utility/support element for others. So unless you're making busted ratios and passives (and in that case, it's the kit that make the char good and not the element), or you buff indirectly/rework the element, Electro's own damage will never be good on itself.

Electro still have messy desing. Superconduct work for 1 good character. No cryo or electro get anything, this bar all cryo/electro comps. Overload ltill make to much chaos, if that would be stun or cknock downeverything would be ok. Resonance is to much "if" and "do" and electro character don't need more particle, normal 30% ER buff wold be ok and universal.

Nah...sara won't ever be out of control. She's too clunky to play on low constelation.

The fact genshin has no benefit of actually using s to dodge attacks is just stupid. They should take a note from Punishing gray raven there, perfect dodges slows enemies movement and attacks down to a crawl in an area around you

The issue is that the time based mechanics of the endgame has made knocking enemies away a bad thing because it lowers your DPS. If there were no time limits in the Spiral Abyss I'd say it was fine enough but the way it is now, CC is actually a negative part of Electro's kit.

@@TakumiJoyconBoyz , depends on the enemy, for example overload staggers big doggos and doesn't allow them to perform their stupid ass animation with million s.

Can we please stop that? No element in the game deserves being relegated to energy generation duty, not when the reaction system requires it's own dedicated stat o work. If Elemental Mastery didn't exist and reaction scaled of any other stat, relegating Electro to ER could work, but because it exists Electro characters is literally forced to not cause damage with reactions because the game keeps forcing you to building any other stat BUT EM. NO, what electro needs is a rework to the reaction system which greatly, greatly benefits amplifying reactions and ONLY amplifying reaction. This system is the villain here not electro as an element

Razor is an amazing dps too

@@natalielettuce7029 I agree, most people see him being physical damage oriented and immediately dismiss him as an inferior Eula, but his Electro damage output is actually pretty solid despite not having any Electro dmg bonus in his kit. That coupled with his ult basically being an enabler for sub DPS's similar to what Childe and Kokomi do still makes him a good option for a main DPS.

if you have her, i'd suggest sucrose for crowd control since she's the best crowd control/anemo in the game (yes there's kazuha, but he's a five star so not everyone has access to him. also sucrose has access to thrilling tales and prototype amber)

Not sure about razor but Lisa's scaling are one of the highest lol, just that she's weird to use aside as a TTDS slave It's just that the characters you mentioned are good as in themselves and would be a better one if it's a different element

That said the ATK Speed suggestion is pretty solid since we have so few sources of this stat. It would help way more than one extra energy orb once in a blue moon

Geo is not for dmg but utility in the first place, it's not a must, but when u have it, it was a quality improvement. Ningguang is only one that kinda stuck in awkward spot for dps, bcz other has specific set that suit them well, while she only can run 2/2 with atk bonus

@@Hezkun yeah there's this thing called National Fischl comp. I should know cause I'm a Fischl main, triple crowned and everything. More like I main every Electro characters ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Geo is op. As an element it has a lot of tankiness that allows you to focus on just attacking enemies.

@@periwinkle1136 ok try using geo on enemies like the Abyss heralds and lectors with not using any other elements.

@@periwinkle1136 but one day we will get more enemies that geo is good against. Like Geo Abyss mage. Then geo will be important. But the tanking and stuff, that doesn't really matter.

Electro needs neither, electro needs MiHoYo to rework their broken reaction system. Because electro is literally suffering only because of stupid reaction rules that cuck it's potential with unnecessary limitations. Of course the retarded EM nerf during the closed beta is yet another factor that helped damage the element.

How is that true when electro is a lot less effective at dealing with elemental shields compared to pyro, cryo, hydro and even anemo? Those 4 elements are literally better than electro in every aspect of the game. Tell me how is electro is good? It’s BY FAR my favorite element but it’s clear as the sun how weak it’s sadly.

@@KYSNYAN electro has pretty strong units, beidou raiden and fischl

@@ZackFairlady ok but did you know that if beidou and fischl were hydro, cryo or pyro they would be easily an S teir instead of B or A? Them being electro didn’t help them AT ALL, that’s why electro is bad. They’re just strong because of their kits. But if you look at xingqiu, he’s an S tier character, why? Because of his kit? While yes his kit is pretty good, but it’s alone would hardly make him an A tier character, but because he’s hydro who can make the pyro and cryo carries a lot stronger, that’s why he’s an S tier character, BECAUSE OF HIS ELEMENT.

@@KYSNYAN ok so is Xinyan Amber and Thoma great cuz of their element??? Characters are balanced because of their element and the capabilities that they can do. Mihoyo can afford to give very high multipliers for anemo geo and electro since they can't really melt or vape reliably. On top of that you really need to understand ICD and gauge theory since not all pyro/hydro/cryo characters are actually that good at doing these "broken" reactions

@@KYSNYAN comparing other units to xingqiu is just shooting yourself in the foot, even if other units were hydro they wouldn't be as good as him, maybe if someone like kaeya or xiangling was hydro but they are already good in their respective Element so making them hydro wouldn't improve them.

He's comparing eula to razor tho... bennett to sara, albedo to fischl, xl to beidou. Which is true. Razor can't beat eula, sara is below bennett, fischl and beidou are great, but when it comes to similar function, fischl can't beat albedo in terms of overall damage output and beidou can't really beat xl.