How to Professionally Replace Expansion Tank & Auto Air Vent on Burnham ES26 Gas Boiler

Mikey Pipes - Pipe Doctor Plumbing & Heating & Air

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Don't be a messy hack and use a screwdriver to drill a hole into the tank!
Use your noggin - listen to Mikey Pipes! Don't be like that HACK in MASS!
As per Amtrol, right in the installation sheet: "Mount tank vertically in downward position only"
Do you know what ONLY means? It means ONLY install it that way.
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@cllewis1 3 года назад

Steve Lav posted a video this week poking a hole in an expansion tank with a screwdriver this week...coincidence?

@heck2r27 3 года назад

I’ve seen him do that too but after he has taken it outside though

@arseniym3185 3 года назад

@@PipeDoctor >>>He is sloppy. Rude. And makes stupid mistakes... Like he says himself: good enough for this neighborhood... Not going to fly here on Long Island.

@cllewis1 3 года назад

@@PipeDoctor Thanks for replying. For context, I'm in the south and am a DIYer/homeowner for the small jobs but don't hesitate to call the pros so I don't get in over my head. Being in the south I know next to nothing about boilers. I do have an expansion tank on my water heater (thanks for explaining the difference between the one on the boiler vs the one on the water heater) and have learned when they fail, they fill up with water. I thought Steve's concept to break the vacuum to drain the tank seemed inelegant but effective, but your procedure is definitely what I'll use when mine fails... Much cleaner, to be sure. I don't want to be involved in a flame war on YT as I am simply a guy who is interested in how all the stuff works while doing my IT pro job every day. I pick up useful tidbits I can use working around the house but don't have a heck of a lot of useful info to add to the conversation.

@RA-sz5tu 3 года назад

not to bust your balls, but that valve could have went on the horizontal section of the piping, and that sir is from a retired carp/suppie, lol, love your work ethic, professional work being done by Mikey Pipes

@gurban333 3 года назад

lmfao

@songsfromthelord888 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for the great info video guys! Very helpful 🙂 We just had a situation where our pressure relief valve just broke suddenly which we replaced, and we had some questions about the expansion tank, which you guys professionally answered in your video . . . thank you! 🙂 I watched a number of videos online, which didn't really help me any. Thanks again! and ,remember that God loves you! He wants you to love Him too . . . and, believe or not, that's professional advice that's been hard come by, through a number of hard knocks over a period of time. 🙂

@danobrien3109 3 года назад

Thanks Mike for that info on the expansion tank to get the water out. I have learned something new today which makes this a good day. Even at 65 you should hope to learn each day. That’s what life is a learning experience so everyday that you learn is a day that was productive. I have never understood the why of guys who install those tanks up side down. Your explanation is the simplest of of all, the writing is upside down. Don’t really need to think much past that. Good call on not replacing the pump too. If it isn’t malfunctioning while your there , it isn’t in need of replacement. Good video , thanks.🇨🇦👍

@chadrayl9648 Год назад

I’m 2 years in, starting to train on boilers. Glad I found ya, excellent vids, great personality! Look forward to seeing more videos. Thanks for taking the time too do this, cheers🍻

@michaelcottrell7545 3 года назад

Great job buddy!! Used the air pump trick the other day and it worked like a charm. I have been doing this for 20 years never thought of using an air pump to drain a tank. Just wish I thought of it.

@thefort88 3 года назад

I have never seen that expansion tank trick with the air compressor until I started watching your channel. Always would pull them full. Keep the videos coming gotta love Mikey Pipes

@brothersar5957 3 года назад

yeah that is a neat trick. I took the unnecessary baths occasionally - but w/plenty customer provided garbage so the boiler jacket never got wet, lol

@tylersimpson5541 2 года назад

@@brothersar5957 I took one off in the class the other day at main line pressure and shot water across the shop, good times, had to do it once! I drained all the zones and obviously have my water main off but the pressure was trapped in between the regulator and the tank I guess? How do you clear that trapped pressure out if you do not have a compressor? I want an answer so I can avoid doing that in the future. Thanks in advance

@tylersimpson5541 2 года назад

I think I had the the expansion tank valve shut by accident when I was draining is actually what it was ... just remembered that!!!

@brothersar5957 2 года назад

@@tylersimpson5541 You're having major fun brother😂 when I was in the field I would depress the Schrader valve, drain the boiler to reduce the pressure then slowly unthread the extrol tank, wiggle that bastard until I think it'll just super soaker spray me then put the new 1 on. Mind u now, I covered the customers valuables and had the new tank tefloned and ready to go 🤣by btw the old tank may be very heavy, hope u had your wheaties that job, peace brother - you'll find your way🙏

@emilio820 2 года назад

great video just changed my expansion tank and blew the water out with an air compressor worked great. very little water spilled out. thanks for sharing

@mcalvinscott Год назад

I have to replace my extrol tomorrow. I'm going to install a ball valve before it. Thanks for the great videos.

@nolanharris640 3 года назад

I switched to knipex a few years ago from the old blue trusty channel lock, my forearms thanked me for the change

@bkoz319 3 года назад

never gets old seeing the red carpet roll out

@b3d3g69 3 года назад

Great video. Another tip if you don't have a pump is to take the schraeder pin out of the tank. It is not as quick but still cuts down on the mess it makes and easier to drain the expansion tank

@MarkJones-no2zf 3 года назад

We install the valve on the horizontal pipe put a tee on after valve put tank on the branch and boiler drain on other end of the tee. that way close valve open boiler drain don't have to drain boiler. I do need to remember the air pump great idea thank for that tip

@Keegeth 3 года назад

I did the same exact thing with the xtank on Monday. Had to re work the pipes so that it wouldn't be upside down. The dolt that installed it had a perfect spot for it on an air separator and it had a ball valve right after the l separator. It was a hack install.

@CRV1958 8 месяцев назад

New York my man....... Westchester county here,......... Thanks for the video, really clear and well done.

@anthonyocchuizzo9109 Год назад

Those two items just went on my boiler. Thanks for the video. I’m going to attempt to do it myself.

@dominicanto17dr 2 года назад

Just subscribed im a boiler service tech and this was GREAT info!

@johnmcweeney205 3 года назад

Good job on the video and well done on the explanation on the work performed. I’m sure if the customer watches the video he’ll know he got his money’s worth

@stevenalicea3085 Год назад

Bro.Your definitely a good tech. I like learning from the best . 👍

@JohnSmith-cp2yg 7 месяцев назад

Thank you Mikey pipes you're awesome brother

@williamorourke9627 3 года назад

always check charge before installing tank, they don't always have correct pressure. But I know you did because you are the master man

@tbone587 3 года назад

Whats the best way to determine the PSI needed on the expansion tank on an oil boiler? I have a slight leak on my pressure relief valve that I replaced a couple years ago so I am thinking my expansion tank may be bad or it needs to be adjusted in terms of pressure. The expansion tank itself is easy to replace in terms of it just threads on, but the potential of having to drain the system is where I lack the knowledge. Do you have any tips in terms of how to get a proper pressure reading on the tank. example: turn main off, turn off valve on expansion tank, take reading. Does the tank need to be removed to get a pressure reading? And then if it does need air, can i fill it with the tank attached?

@edgardovibarjr6888 2 года назад

This is absolutely the best educational video I’ve ever watched online on how to replace an expansion tank. Thank you, Mikey!!!

@deshevldmusic 3 года назад

Dude. Genius. Just bought a Ridgid 18v inflator. Gonna try it

@hkhvac270 3 года назад

Right tools for right man good job 👍

@northernliving2387 3 года назад

Nice job and excellent advise.

@northernliving2387 3 года назад

@@PipeDoctor I hey I need some advise.. When it gets real cold and snow outside our in take pipe on our furnace gets plug and the furnace dose not operate. Any suggestions on what to do?

@thomasmahoney7737 3 года назад

Another great video thank you.

@elbandito5411 2 года назад

Nice video. Is there a reason why you don't use goop on the threads and only tape? Also did you drain the boiler completely of all water before pumping the water out of the expansion tank?

@jaybee1930 2 года назад

Awesome job learned a lot

@hvacservicementor 3 года назад

Love the compressor trick. How well does it work when the tank is nipple side up?

@hvacservicementor 3 года назад

@@PipeDoctor I guess that makes sense since it will push up on the diaphragm! Thanks!

@bobsmith1101 2 года назад

Watts ETX hot water heating system Expansion Tanks says can be installed in vertical or horizontal positions.

@benstanski Год назад

thx happy new year

@jakobboisclair2790 3 года назад

Hey Mikey pipes have you seen webstones shut off valve that threads into the air separator and has a shut off for the expansion and threads for you to screw it in? Pretty slick. I never see you use hydrolic separators. Has the air separator built in with supply and returns too. Just curious thats all.

@steakdave666 3 года назад

Mikey pipes, whats a decent pipe dope? Im just getting into plumbing(just for home repairs, not professional), so looking for some recommendations

@readysetsleep 3 года назад

Weird my circulator pump is on the return to the gas boiler ( hydronic baseboard). The expansion tank is on the supply (away) before the zone valves, no air vent. But then again this is a setup from 1986, did they do things the opposite way back then?

@philcore4759 3 года назад

When working with hydronic piping, teflon tape only instead of tape & dope?

@HxC_Fragman 2 года назад

Awesome video bro. Thank you

@gidzey4783 3 года назад

Just curious Mikey Pipes.... inwas taught to use both pipe dope and blue monster on black iron fittings.... it's probably over doing it. Do you ever have issues with leaks years down the road from just using blue monster?

@ciscokid2444 3 года назад

Nice work guys!

@ciscokid2444 3 года назад

@@PipeDoctor I’ve been with you way before 5K my man and always will be. Didn’t think you would notice but nice that you did.Just been busy living. However I never miss one of your videos. Navien or anything condensing as opposed to cast iron is what I’ve learned the most about from your videos they are just to fragile for me. What’s up with the loose screws on the top of their heat exchangers you would think they would have corrected that flaw.That cast iron Burnham ES2 is what I’m looking forward to come spring. How’s wifey doing my friend?

@awesomeswag123 Год назад

I know this option is not as clean but could you also drill a hole to help relieve the pressure in the tank if you don’t have an air compressor on site?

@petem6291 3 года назад

Mike , is there a specific name for that ball valve you were going to Install above the expansion tank , the handle looks different???? Also do you run into a lot of rusted out black pipe nipples , for example that boiler had black pipe before the circulators .. seems like a bad choice????

@hvacman77 3 года назад

Great tip just wouldn't work on the new style with the indicator bulb

@fluker27 3 года назад

Good work, happy to have found your channel and following you since. Please add link to pliers.

@csakmert8883 3 года назад

It was instructive. 👀💡👍

@hacksaw413 2 года назад

Might not get an answer but if the expansion tank was in the right orientation could you just unscrew the bottom nut?

@integrity5264 3 года назад

good job Mike 👍

@Trainman0401 3 года назад

Great tip on removing water from expansion tank, especially when tanks are installed high above boiler. I’m very surprised others don’t do it as a common practice. Have to agree, very professional job.👍👍

@deshevldmusic 3 года назад

Love it! Blew my mind. Doing this from now own. Can't believe I didn't think of it

@joeymac4302 2 года назад

@@PipeDoctor That trick only works with a completely shot bladder, right? I have a system (my own home) that keeps killing bladders. Pretty sure the operating pressure is too high (single story, but runs around 20-25), Some time I should probably actually address that issue, before I get too good at replacing tanks.

@davidmerkrebs9967 3 года назад

is an expansion tank required on a water heater by code hear on long island

@arielhernandez2911 3 года назад

That pump and idea is bad ass

@gillbujold1918 3 года назад

Amtrol Rep told us they prefer vertical down but they as long as it’s vertical they are good. Had a contractor mount one horizontal that was a problem that we made them change.

@gillbujold1918 3 года назад

@@PipeDoctor yup it’s was an issue at some sites that’s why I reached out to Amtrol directly to confirm. They explained it was like that just so their sight glass feature works. As far as the function of the tank is concerned there was no issue. Also why Watts does not speak to it in their docs. Actually for their PLT tanks they even show it horizontally... lol..

@franciscocastellanos9157 2 года назад

I wonder, If the expansion tank is upward, the water weight will rest on its own and preserving the life of the diaphragm. Gravity always wins. Great tutorial. Thanks for sharing your expertise

@boyz4300 3 года назад

Good job always 👍👍👍👍

@gidzey4783 3 года назад

Also, if i don't win that Milwaukee compressor.... its going to be the next tool i buy. Such a great idea! Will def help especially when i have a full EX-60 to remove...ha

@Mando2593 2 года назад

Have a water heater 40 gallons. I need to have one spansion tank or no ?

@atlasfueloilinc.2421 2 года назад

Great video for trainees

@MyGodzilla33 Год назад

You don't need to put air in the tank at all? as the water pressor ? Thanks

@ABDELFIX 7 месяцев назад

Thanks Mikey I just replaced my expansion tank. No more leakage at the relief valve. The nipple/fitting seems to have had some kind of valve inside of it which snapped. I'm guessing a fully operational valve is supposed to automatically open and let water out the air scoop to the tank. Anyways, I put the fitting back on the air scoop without that valve inside the fitting since I couldn't find that specific fitting at the store. Hopefully the fitting is not a big deal! Someone told me that you can just hook your tank right below air scoop without an extra fitting in between, so I guess I'm good!? Heating is working properly so far... Thanks in advance!

@gregmiracle9560 3 года назад

Good job! Plus NO hernia trying to catch a tank full of water! Pump it out👍👍👍

@timthompson427 3 года назад

Love the channel!! How long did you and Godzilla hang out after the job was finished and play in that awesome Lego room and what did you build?

@AdamDaley1 3 года назад

Any downsides to having those expansion tanks "upside down" - I just had my entire system replaced. They did a nice job but the tanks are both upside down (5 zone w/indirect, oil fed)

@hansi6606 3 года назад

Fact being in Germany all bigger expansion tanks need to be installed "upside down" - water in the lower part, air in the upper. This way the diaphragm doesn't have to carry the water load and can evenly distribute pressure over whole surface. Tanks do last longer installed this way. Any other orientation (air to the side or below) will result in weight-sacks in the rubber. No joke: Back in the days our old made-in-Germany expansion tanks would last decades!

@TheGhettoLobster 3 года назад

I need one of those Milwaukee pumps now

@TheGhettoLobster 3 года назад

@@PipeDoctor I had a $100 amazon gift card so I just bought one lol. That will come in handy for not hurting myself or getting wet on boiler jobs. Thanks Mike

@edolas3411 2 года назад

Mikey, why didn't you add the shutoff valve between the two elbows that you installed?

@sportykev 2 года назад

I literally just ordered from supplyhouse, didn’t realize you both were also on the island.

@benstanski Год назад

great video ,what is right pressure of boiler expansion tank on ag75 weil mcclain boiler;senior citizen has homeserve and has new expansion but water coming out of relief valve and leak from 1/4 turn ball valve above. basement cooler than before; raise pressure of expansion? came with 12psi ;they want 249 extra to replace 1/4 turn valve and cost of valve;its been leaking ;they come without parts ,parts are sent to house if you agree; ; they want to put two tanks?

@wndomann 2 года назад

Tanks for the info

@briandolan9123 3 года назад

What's the deal with the chimney liner flue pipe?

@tomtome21 Год назад

Out of curiosity why didn't no put the shut-off value on the horizontal since the vertical wouldn't work ?

@tjbee1905 3 года назад

What about the valve?

@seandaley8429 3 года назад

Did you depressurize the expansion tank with the Milwaukee pump ?

@rustyshakleford5230 3 года назад

I like using a screwdriver than dropping the thing still half full on the customers old rusty boiler then my on my foot. The pump idea is brilliant.

@rustyshakleford5230 3 года назад

@@PipeDoctor A pump seems to work better then a wet sweatshirt and shoes.

@raymoran40 3 года назад

You should have hook the hose up to each Zone on the return on the bottom and bled and for the expansion tank they can go either way vertical horizontal

@robertdecker146 2 года назад

Hi. I live in a mobile home. I have serious issues with a fumey furnace. I'm trying to deal with it, the best I can, but Sheesh, is it Horrible..!! 🤔 Do I switch to kerosene..?? It has oil in it, presently, and with treatment fluid, but to No Avail..! 😒

@richardmorales8301 3 года назад

Great job explaining with such detail and being so thorough.. Just subscribed. Looking forward to more content.

@kangaroogod 3 года назад

I said it on the last expansion tank vid but it amazes me how many times I have dropped that heavy sob tank over the years when such a simple pump works magic. 💪🏼

@stumpynubs5387 9 месяцев назад

Type of air vent? Did you replace a toco 400?

@nightone9720 Год назад

That Pipe Doctor door mat is fly as hell! That is such a cool idea Mikey. Where did you get that custom made at?

@JohnSmith-cp2yg 7 месяцев назад

So is that blue monster Teflon tape works the same as the blue monster pipe dope so you don't need to get the pipe dope just the Teflon tape good enough thank you in advance

@kkovler1 3 года назад

what if the expansion tank bladder was still in tack. you could not drain with pump then?

@stevebabiak6997 3 года назад

The pump could only be used to drain the expansion tank alone if the bladder is intact. But then the remaining water in the system has to be dealt with to switch the tank.

@Keegeth 3 года назад

Do you have more M12 or M18 tools?

@johnnyvivic8730 Год назад

If the bladder in the expansion tank is ruptured and you force air into the bladder with a compressor to drain out the water in the tank, would you also be forcing air into the hydronic heating system?

@johnnyvivic8730 Год назад

@@PipeDoctor Ok, thanks

@bugattivi7110 3 года назад

You starting early I see 😎🙌🙌

@bugattivi7110 3 года назад

@@PipeDoctor you the man bro Mikey pipes

@Rainmaker88 3 года назад

usually do it with my hand pump, just can’t justify the auto pump but respect ✊.

@Geebee246 10 месяцев назад

Remove shredder valve from expansion tank after isolating system . Vacuum will break and water will flow . Good video.

@PipeDoctor 10 месяцев назад

Thanks

@brendanlynch2138 9 месяцев назад

Is bleeding the zones different with those tacos boards over traditional zone valves?

@PipeDoctor 9 месяцев назад

Bleeding the zones is a similar process with both Tacos boards and traditional zone valves. The main difference lies in the design and functionality of the two systems.

@KameraShy 2 года назад

Should have marked the installation date on the expansion tank.

@chadrayl9648 Год назад

What kind of pump is that?

@andrewwelch5668 3 года назад

Don't get water on the customer's boiler when you change the expansion tank? Brilliant! Nice trick, St. Mike. Question though: When you put elbows on the bottom of an air scoop like that to offset for the tank, doesn't that put stress on the steel nipples when the tank fails? Might be a flood risk there if one of those nipples were to break after the tank becomes a paperweight.

@craighvac1808 3 года назад

What's your rule of thumb for what pressure a boiler should run at? I have heard 10 psi per floor is common but dont work on many boilers. Have also heard expansion tank pressure should be 3 to 5 psi above system water pressure

@lambition 3 года назад

What is the reason for expansion tank orientation having to be downward position? I only have experience with DHW tank since I don't do boilers and I use Watts and Proflo. Both says it can be installed upside down or horizontally. I just looked up Amtrol and their manual says to install downward position only. To me, installing threads at the bottom made more sense as that will keep sediments out of the tank..

@lambition 3 года назад

@@PipeDoctor Yes. I realize that is true for Amtrol, but others say it can be in any orientation. I was wondering if you knew the reasoning behind it.

@guytech7310 3 года назад

it can trap air if installed upside down.

@bobt4949 3 года назад

Never stop learning. I never saw that technique with the pump on the extrol. Nice

@joshuabest100 3 года назад

Hey Mike I'm new to plumbing been watching everything about boilers can you explain what an expansion tank does

@joshuabest100 3 года назад

@@PipeDoctor I understand now thankyou you should cut one open new vs old

@rickyhertz7250 3 года назад

@@joshuabest100 water expands when frozen and heated , that’s how It was explained to me many years ago.

@j.d.6221 3 года назад

Dear Saint Mike, I would like 1 lb of gold and a lego room!! 😀 💛 Great content as always!! Also Godzilla anticipating the needs of the tasks to be performed is a sign of a detailed orientated person who will make a great Tech. Hope for the future of the trades. 🙏

@mjalco7410 3 года назад

Love the mask upsidedown do you have them for sale. Would love to buy some . Love the videos keep them comimg👍

@joseorellana9973 3 года назад

What if the 3/4 nipple tank were installed in place of the 1/2?

@joseorellana9973 3 года назад

Thanks... I just read the tag on it like you said in the video lol its says maximum of 200 degrees so yeah I installed the wrong one about a year ago. Also says potable water only 😀.

@ridethepace6005 3 года назад

Serious question: why not put that shut off on the run, then 90 down to exp. Tank?

@ridethepace6005 3 года назад

@@PipeDoctor i honestly might not have thought of it either, at the time. Just curious if there was a reason. I work on gas only, utility side, so I watch to learn. Thanks for the education, and the entertainment.

@Hodge215 3 года назад

Mikey Pipes!!! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

@jo-ty1um 3 года назад

Let some pressure off spin that thing off on the fly put the new one on. No need for a pump screw driver hole. Good work love your channel

@tomsanders3032 3 года назад

Expansion tanks can be installed in any direction. Whether oriented uprightly, horizontally, or even upside down, the expansion tank will function properly without any adverse effects.

@jaedentalks Год назад

Mike,I have an Extrol #15 expansion tank on my boiler. The heat has not been on since March meaning the boiler has not fired since that time.BeforeI turn the heat on,I would like to check the charge in the expansion tank which should be at the factory charged 12 psi. Here is my question. Since the boiler has not fired since March, can I just check the tank for 12 psi without draining the boiler and adjust if necessary?

@jaedentalks Год назад

@@PipeDoctor Can you clarify?

@jaedentalks Год назад

Crickets.I guess not.