How to remove the governor and gain Horsepower for FREE! Honda GX120 GX160 GX200 Predator MOD 

read 99% of forums and they'll tell you, the Honda will get valve float long before any hard failure, of rod or flywheel, any hard failure is possible but its always circumstantial

Well, we can all agree that you will push your engine to its limit. And that always comes with a risk.

@@T.A.Gim sure honda puts in forged parts into these little engines

then don't overrev it?

And sit at boring power levels all day. Nahhhhh

Been told not to upgrade the springs until you have upgraded the rod and flywheel as the valve float from stock springs will save your engine from being over revved

This is correct

Glad I could help

Most modifications will lessen the lifespan of an engine. These however get valve float before catastrophic failure

Could be a number of things mate. Have you ever had trouble with the pull start sprawl before? The bits that flick put and engage the pull start? If that's fine then pull the side cover off and make sure the timing marks are aligned. If you have a little resistance but no compression resistance its likely the timing/cam gear has moved from its position when you lifted the cover. Let us know what you find :)

That would not cause no compression. You have done something else

Rocker arm fallen of when you moved the cam gear

Haha I did the very same thing but could no longer get compresure and I thought my engine is doomed! But hey don't worry just go check on the trappers and re-adjust it to get the compresure and you are good to go

This has nothing to do with tappers. Something else has happened

People just like to whinge

If you just disconnect it there is a possibility of the internals of the governor letting go and becoming debris. This can in turn completely destroy the engine

does it matter i just took it out and put my sidecover back on

While it is a solution it can cause issues. The governor can actually tear apart inside the engine and cause catastrophic damage. So I would recommend removing it completely and correctly

It's very suitable. Those extra holes are there for a reason. To utilize. Using them will cause no harm as thats how this was designed. Actually, removing the governor can cause the motor to detonate like a bomb at high ungoverned speeds. Using the holes on the arm are specifically what you are supposed to do. Want to ride around on a bomb? Degovern a Chinese predator. I bought a tillotson

@@T.A.G how will doing what the manual specifications say to do, be detrimental?

@@effyoo6081 some motors don't have several holes. Like the Honda gx120 in the demo. If you leave the governer in and rev it harder the governor can tear itself to pieces which will cause catastrophic failure. While one could argue the point of having a flywheel explode, Honda's being a well made engine its been proven many times over that they'll get valve float before anything serious happens like catastrophic failure like you're saying. The weak point is the cast flywheel as many carting forums will tell you, people have had them shatter when pushing them but only when they've dome alot.of other work to make them rev

@@T.A.G absolutely. Little gear inside is plastic and will tear to shreds. If it has no holes in the arm, don't drill any, remove the gov. I remove all of mine, honda, predator, tilly, but they all have four locations on the arm. Including the hondas. Even my duralast has them.

It allpws the enginw to rev which can help keeep you in a powerband lpnger

Maybe look into changing your gear ratio

What time stamp? Now I'm curious 🤣

​@@T.A.GOh my god....that is quite dangerous!!

@ricobico1872 not quite. It's well documented that these engines get valve float before they shatter flywheels etc. But that being said. It's to be taking with caution with everything you modify.

Potential is always there. Lol

you probably can, check in the online forums

Until the governor explodes and grenades the engine from the inside.. there is a reason it's removed haha

held up fine, was sold on twice since

You could. But contrary to alot of forums I wanted to prove you don't have to

@@T.A.G oh okay, I find it easier to just remove the crankshaft. I've removed one on a 79cc that way at it works great

It will likely just spin around and make a rattle

What i did is ground it down to like 2 or 3 cm and put the pin in and put some gasket sealer on it and put it back in. Nothing to rattle around and stop oil from spraying out

correct. If you want more HP you need more fuel more ignition timing more air and better cooling. The governor only limits speed. I can tune my L100 from 9hp to 15hp but anything past 11hp and it starts to get hot quick.

@@chris-jb5ds I run my tillotson 212r at around 12hp. 10 out of the box. Its the perfect long haul motor. Power and longevity. I hate walking back if something happens

@@effyoo6081 walking back is the worst

@@effyoo6081 All Predator 212s output 9-11hp with governer removal.

@@DarkLinkAD sadly, no. Removing the governor gives no additional horsepower. It merely lets the motor spin up to higher rpm's. Higher rpm means more top speed at the same horsepower. I'd love to see your dyno test, where did you get that info. The fact you say "8 or 9" means you have no idea. Adding a header and bigger jets,now that makes more horses. More air and fuel, more hp. Add 18lb springs to keep that mixture tight, more hp. Add induction(forced air) hp. Add nitrous, more volatile powerful fuel, more hp. Higher spins adds no hp. It merely unlocks the full spin potential.

Awesome!

Pretty sure a screwdriver, I put it in the video didn't I? It's been a while so I can't remember haha

You can. However the risk is that the governer destroys itself and will leave shrapnel in the engine which can lead to catastrophic failure

0 extra horsepower as this will only increase the rpm range

@@obviouslytwo4u HP is just a function of torque x RPM. Increase in revs = increase in HP…

@@tom6493 RPM is how many rotations the engine will do every minute and horsepower is how much weight a engine can push on each ignition stroke. So by taking the government out on a Honda gx160 engine will not increase the horsepower it will only increase the RPM range the throttle stays wide open for longer the governor will restrict to 3000rpm because the governor is made up of centrifugal weights so when an engine has reached the 3000rpm the weight will spin out that is pushing a lever that will transfer it through a rod that is attached to the throttle

@@obviouslytwo4u really? Well I never knew that…🙄🤦‍♂️ I’m also fully aware what a Governor does as I’ve worked on marine diesels bigger than your house so wind your beak in, you might learn something. Firstly, Horsepower is NOT “how much weight an engine can push on each ignition stroke”. Torque is the effort (work, or weight as you’re calling it) and HP is how much work can be done in a given time, hence why HORSEPOWER is a function of TORQUE x REVOLUTIONS PER MINUTE. The engine may be rated at 6.5hp at a governed RPM but that doesn’t mean its ALL the engine can produce. Secondly, the Governor, which is actuated via spinning weights (at least you got that bit right), operates DIRECTLY on the throttle butterfly, controlling the air/fuel flow, it’s the removal of this control and not the Governor itself that increases RPM as the butterfly can then be opened fully, allowing more air and fuel in, increasing RPM and thus, power. Don’t believe me, you’re on RU-vid, I suggest you use it to enlighten yourself…

@@obviouslytwo4u fuck it, let’s give you a quick maths lesson: if we use 6.5hp at 3000rpm and work backwards, we can find the torque (in lbs/ft) so, 6.5/3000 x 5252 =11.38lbs/ft. Now we know the torque, we can calculate the HP for a higher RPM, e.g. 11.38 x 5000/5252 = 10.84hp. See, simple…

It's also an engine made for 100 uses. Do some research. These things get valve float long before anything drastic happens, also any modification tk increase power will decrease engine life.

Not sure to be honest

@@T.A.G is this mod worth it are there any risks to it? im kinda scared to do this

@@joelpyy446 definitely worth it but it has to be done right. Have s Google and do a bit of research to see if it's right for you. It can reduce engine life and other mods may have other affects too

it can produce 15hp .. from others' videos

9-11hp on average

Oddly enough, a piece of the PCV from a Ford falcon

People should do a lot of things. But we all do what we do

Well you should take a punch and drink a screwdriver there mr helpful.. who gives a hard fuck? Do you stand next to the guys when you bring in your car for any work and nag em the whole time?

Just a part I had laying around that fit perfectly

@@T.A.G in case I don’t have any perfectly sized parts lying around, can you recommend anything specific to safely plug the hole? 😬

@@motorsandmeats88 you could measure the hole with a vernier. And tap the hole and put a bolt in it. Or some jb weld and a bolt etc. I've seen people use a nut, bolt and washer but I wouldn't trust it

First. I tried a new way of shooting. If you don't like it. Cool. Second. If you just disconnect the governed you'll destroy the internals of the engine as the governed internals are still in there and will let go at higher rpm sending ball bearings into the precious crank area, as well chunks of plastic and steel. Third. If you don't like it or trust it then don't do it. Hence the disclaimer. Thanks for watching

Some was on a tripod. I was also experimenting with different camera angles and filming styles. If you're not a fan you can film it for your channel?

this was filmed before I had proper camera gear my dude

Yes i feel dizzy

There's are many factors like gearing, wheels size etc to answer that

It won't run

@@T.A.G What will be the effect or change if the speed control gear is removed?

Yep. Because the engine was designed as a service engine to only rev to around 3000. However you can unlock a bunch of power like many people do when using the engine for another purpose. The engine life will suffer but the performance gains far outweigh the difference. Also most service machines only need the 3000rpm for fuel economy when using whichever tool it is. Karts and buggies etc don't need that

Yeah for your lawn mower I have a fleet of 50 karts and I take out all govners. And there fine

😂 your comment makes no sense theirs no such thing as "reinforcing the valves" or "burn the engine" you don't know what your talking about

Incorrect my friend

Lol

what, experience valve float? These little engines get valve float and lose power before anything catastrophic fails. do some research :)

​@@T.A.Gits funny seeing people comment thinking they know what their talking about when they dont lol