You haven't been pulling open deck trailers long then. Nothing against the presenter in this video, but he's wrong on how to secure the chain to the rail
My dad pulled flat bed for 48 years been with him 60 percent of the time he's haulled countless loads of coils. Two forward three back nail your blocks use 6X6. Tie off binder handles
Beautiful video. I used to work for Melton years ago but I have my own authority now and have been pulling dry van. I'm getting back into flatbed and this video really helped refresh my memory on how to secure coils. Are those 8-ft chains? Also, why do you use both types of binders? I'm guessing you just didn't have enough ratchet binders?
the chains seem more angled than I would do it. I would have the chains more pulling down. But hey i might be wrong, Im not claiming im the expert, that is why I am watching these videos. Very good video and very informative.
Is it too much to get a coil well trailer and load between the chassis rails it's a lot safer than this eye to tha side and it looks like that trailer has aluminium side rails so what re the pins in that rated at
They are loaded like this here in the USA sometimes because we have a lot of old ass steel processing plants that simply do not want to invest in cranes for whatever reason. They still use ancient tow motors to load and unload these coils. That's why it loaded suicide in this video.
Government regulations should mandate coils lay flat , but it is more convenient to load and unload for big companys . Laying coil lowers the center of gravity .
This video is a coil laying down, which lowers the center of gravity. If you are referring to eye to the sky, almost no place has forklifts capable of taking them off. Coils in the videos form are anywhere from 20-55 thousand pounds. A 50,000 pound forklift is not feasible for most places, they are the size of a house.
@@davidmuchoki1489 I think using skids along with dunage to lay it down would be ideal..its just my opinion I se dry van and don't know Nothing about flatbedding but I have the up most respect for those guys
Half those chains aren't holding it down against forward movement. Will it work for most cases? Sure, but you are securing for an emergency stop. You shouldn't exceed a 45° angle on the pull. If you used some of those spools, you could complete this easily, plus they are usually stronger. It would make it easier to tarp too. Exceeding 45° also weakens the stake pocket as they are designed for a vertical pull. Checking the ratings on the data plate will clear that up.
20 years I pulled those out of Cal Steel Nucor Plymouth Farwest Posco and never run chains like that. I don't tell anyone how to do their job but I know I never had my chains goin over the 45 degrees. I've pulled 50k lb coils just like that one many times. They paid a little over half of what wood in Oregon paid smh. He works for Western Express though. They may have a mandatory way to tie shyt down.
@Sapper Veteran I am confused: 1. I assume the relative angle you are talking about in both the deck and the hold-down chain. 2. "Exceeding 45° angle" means 46°or greater angle: less "acute": more "obtuse" 3. You say the anchor points are designed for vehicle pull. As I see it: chain #1 is 90° to the deck, which is 1) more than 45° but yet 2) is the vertical pull you are preaching. What gives..??
@@michaeldunagan8268 @Michael Dunagan 393.120 FMCSA Regs part C+D clearly state, at least one chain must be pulling no more that 45⁰ when viewed from side of trailer. Essentially no more than 45⁰ from the center of the load to the trailer. The point is to hold the coil down into the cradle, as it is what preventing roll. Once you exceed 45⁰ you are not really pulling down, you are pulling forward and backward. /| or |\ being good. (please excuse the limited ability to illustrate). Spools are generally welded all the way around, and can be pulled in any direction. Stake pockets are designed for vertical pulls (90⁰) as the flat sides bend and cave when pulled sideways or not wraped all the eay around. Seen many fail when I was picking them off the shoulders when I drove a heavy wrecker. Many I picked up looked similar to the video but lacking vertical pulls. **Everything should be verified by the data plate for load securement points. They are usually on the frame behind the landing gear or on front face of the trailer. Most will tell you exactly what each anchor is rated for by lbs. Some data plates will also specify anchors that are not designed for certain types of pulls.
If you keep your eyes open in the place your loading they may have some of the thicker steel protective rings from the coil mfg if you cut one in half can be used for edge protection for the larger 38k+ coils
Those are most likely standard transport chains (G70 5/16th). Western Express wouldn't buy 3/8th, it's too expensive. Only regular steel haulers are usually rocking G70 3/8th+. Saves time and effort when hauling multiple coils a day. Not to mention, it depends on trailer specs. Spools, pop-ups, and J-Hooks are usually rated for 3/8th chains at 6600lbs or better. Stake pockets are almost always only rated for 5400lbs.
Or the worst this guy has no clue no where in the dot manual does it say pulling 80 percent to the rear that’s asking for trouble probably why he’s not a driver
Watching these videos cause I been thinking going to flatbed from dry van. Doing the hard is not a problem for me but I want to know about securing the loads
one inch of threads must be showing on the ratchet binders also or a fella will need to reset just in case you need to pull things a little tighter on the road you have the room on the crank. grat video
Hey, if the company does not make you tarp, do you have to tarp coils and when I say and Ask do you have to tarp coils? Is there anything you gain safety wise or can I just not tarp at all?
@@ashiabrown6236 ahhh thanks for clarification... Some trailers are not recommended to use spools and some have very good wll. I know the square spools and made to use as secure points
Anybody that thinks 8 chains is “overkill” needs to imagine that 40,000lb coil falling off the trailer landing on top of a civic. Don’t play when it comes to load securement. I’ve seen a forklift fall of a trailer on the highway because it wasn’t secured correctly
You’re very professional and your videos help a lot but it looks like your cameraman is too lazy. Cameraman needs to move and to show us very well. Thank you so much for your help.
ill b honest, i used to put one 54k pound coil suicide on my decc, and only wud use 5 3/8 chains...theres no need for 8....but theres also no such thing as over securement.
Hey question, I’m sorry for this question after a year that you posted your response but if you had coils this heavy and dangerous, couldn’t you just set it up shotgun style instead of suicide
@@Pcola_drone a suicide coil is actually safer than a shotgun coil. first off because your chains arent rubbing against each other, than the indirect tie down compared to direct tie down give you a better working loaf limit...also depending on size but a shot gun coil would make your trucc roll more than a suicide would if u happen to take a turn too fast. ive hauled the big ones shot gun before but its just more of a pain im the ass. if they ask me how i want it set up, i alwayd say suicide.
I believe the reason may be the I read that flatbed 'pockets' are only rated for 4,500# WLL. Hence, no use ising more than a 3/8ths chain because DOT will look for the lowest WLL. A 7,000# WLL will be downgraded to the 4,500# pocket this wasted.
@@michaeldunagan8268 NO. Because each chain is using TWO pockets---one on the left and one on the right. So with a WLL of 5400 lbs. (usually) for each pocket, each chain can count on 10,800 lbs. of securement from BOTH pockets.
00:18 "DOT requires 80% of chains pulling rearward" He has 3 chains pulling forward, 1 down and 4 pulling rearward. That is NOT 80%. It's either 4.5 of 8 = 56% or 4 of 7 = 57%. If you count the center/downward chain as rearward, it is 5 of 8 = 62%.
These videos are blatantly wrong. Every western express securement video I’ve seen has had obviously incorrect information in it. Not to even include how inconsistent the explanations are.
DOT doesn't say anything about requiring 80% of the pull to the rear it just says you must have one pulling forward and one pulling rear and if possible at no more than a 45 degree angle to the deck. That's per the DOT securement book.
@munsters Actually, the FMCSA "Drivers Securement Handbook" ["the HB" ]I download does not mention a "nominal" amount of chains.l such as 80% of chains. I The HB says "Forward Force: 80% of cargo weight when braking while driving straight ahead." So not 8 out of 10 or 4 out of 5 chains necessarily, but 80% of 45,000-pounds, which I am assuming this could weighs. Math: 45,000# × 80% = 36,000#. A 3/8"-70-Grade good order chain from broweser-searched results has a WLL of 6,600#. Six of these chains are not enough: 6,600# × 6 = 33,000#: 3,000# short. Westco Industries claims it's 1/2"-Grade 70 chain had a WLL of 11,300#; still 2,100# short with just three of them. RuggedTow claims their 5/8"-Grade 70 chain had a WLL of 15,800#. Two is still only 32,600#!!! Damn this is hard 😤..!!! I would just probably 1/2"-Grade 70 3-each and 1-eaxh Grainger/Campbell claimed WLL 4,700# 5/16-Grade 70 will exceed the 36,000# target I have been attempting to reach with just three chains-> ->all such angling and attaching towards the rear of the trailer behind the coil when looking at the trailer from the side. More than four angled-chains on one side of the coil appears to me to get unweildly. But I am not a flatbedder: cannot land a "steel only" gig; all companies want a guy to walk the tight-ripe 13-feet in the air on top of plywood loads. Afflicted with acrophobia, I just cannot get up there...😢 ++++++++++++ EDIT: OKAY! After posting this comment, I researched and found out that the stake pockets on a flatbed trailer have a WLL of just 4000-6000 pounds! Damn man....so friggin' hard. .. So to use a 1/2"-Grade 70, one, I am calculating, is required to loop over two stake pockets! I am going haywire to to abide the law over this. ... 🤪😆😜🤪😝😆😛😄🤪
The reason behind not laying it down is because it can become unsecure from the vibrations and then uncoil, causing damage to the load and people around.
I haul coils local no need for more than 5 chains 6 max if you’re worried about one getting loose 3 back 2 front depending on how heavy the coils are above or below 20k coils 3 chains each coil 2 back 1 front; this is a bit excessive 8 chains is ridiculous lol
@@TheRoadhammer379 Drivers/ helpers usually get whacked due to improper set-up of binder and chain or driver not using CHEATER bar correctly " failing to " lock" down the binder handle. Additionally, not paying attention to process or worse, not using a bar/ or steel pipe , just using their hands. Personally, I would rather use the snap binders of the best quality and latest engineering.
Overkill would be this coil coming through your cab and killing you or someone else because you were too lazy to throw some chains and stuff. Lazy people need to not flatbed man
I haul rental equipment, toss chains and ratchet binders all day long, this was just so painful to watch. Done right but dam I would've been at the truckstop getting cleaned up already.
@@johncalvo1743 The chains are to far apart. They loose strength that way. The closer they are, the more strength they have. Just ask your local DOT officer.
Considering the garbage I see from Western Express going down the road, them teaching how to secure a coil is rich. Snap binders… 🤣 What morons. They’re complicating such a simple process.
Stronger chains don’t make a difference you clown lol. The securement of the spools and stale pockets don’t change no matter how big the chain. Either way this is way to much done for this coil
Is the driver typically being paid for all this time screwing around with strapping things down? I hope he doesn't have to just eat all the time he spends lashing cargo down properly...
The longer it takes the longer our day lasts before we get done. I pick up at 5 am in mobile n drop in Birmingham. Pick up a load and drop back off in Pensacola where I live. The longer it takes me to chain the longer it takes to be done for the day.
