Due to all of the fuel in our area now containing ethanol, we will not be seasonally storing any equipment (for long periods of time) with pump gas. However, we will still be using K100S+ fuel stabilizer with the pump gas 91 (least amount of ethanol) to run our equipment throughout the seasons. Also, this video is *NOT* sponsored by Gulf Pro Fuels, I simply give a shout-out to Small Motor Service because they were kind enough to send me some free samples, and the awesome Gulf Pro sign you see on the wall at the back of the shop!
dExcellent video with many tips for the viewers to experience a guaranteed start up after 6 months of storage. Been doing this my entire life and i am 74 now and never fail to start one or two pulls after 6 months of storage and run fine. Had a Honda selp propelled mower i bought used 30 years ago and it never needed a carb clean and started first pull all the time. Sold it for a $50 loss from original purchase price and it is still cutting lawns to this day.
I hellp my brother do his Ariens 8 horse 24 inch every year .We grease and lubricate and check everything over All nuts-and-bolts everything. Same thing I do to all my lawn mowers and small engines. Thanks for posting all your awesome videos !
the Honda machines like my 1332 has A drain bowl underneath the carburetor. Once I run it with treated fuel, I shut the fuel off and it starved itself. Once it dies, I unscrew this drain bowl knob and let any fuel remained inside the carb. I initially treat my fuel premium gas with star tron in a 2-1/2 gals and than at end of season do the step above. I know some engines don’t have same setup as Hondas with no fuel drain knob.
Just summarized my snowblower for the season , ran the machine for 5 minutes , emptied the oil , then emptied the gas tank and the carburetor , put 10 oz fuel stabilizer though the tank and emptied from the carburetor , used the oil to coat the entire machine , meanwhile lubricanted the 2 chains and the axils , wheels , yes do filled the oil then put it away and ready for the next winter arrives !
I leave the oil in them and do my maintenance before the season begins. You'll have to stay tuned to part 2 to see what products I use to protect the paint!
Thanks, The reason I heard for storing with piston at TDC on compression stoke is to ensure both valves are closed. I drain my tank and carburetor bowl at every end of season, then use a gas stabilizer with fresh pump gas at the start of winter, I've had seven good seasons with only minimum seasonal maintenance so far.
I've never run into issues with a piston being at a certain point in the cylinder, valves opened or closed, but that's why I mentioned some guys like one way or the other. I've been doing it this way for years and haven't had an issue, but like I said, it's not the only way you can do it!
Hell yeah! I just did this today. Here on LI, NY, we cannot buy non-ethanol gas either. I will run treated (SeaFoam/Stabil) 93 octane ethanol gas during the season, but never any over 60 days old. (After that, it goes in my truck). For storage, I'll run that dry, add the engineered (canned) fuel, and let that run for 10 minutes. Then, drain that. Awesome vid, and THANK YOU for the tip on the throttle tensioner nut (10mm) on my PowerMore 357cc a few months ago. Took me 3 minutes to fix!! :)
Just got done snow blowing for the last time this year I am hoping,…..”So with that being said”, I’m gonna finish my 2nd cup of coffee here and get the rest of my day started.
@@waynestefinashen239 Live in Northern Utah. Some homes are already flooding from the snowmelt. It’s only going to get worse. The snowmelt has only just begun. Rivers are raging. I’m one of the lucky ones that doesn’t live in the flood plains. The Great Salt Lake has already risen 3 feet.
In North Florida, we can buy what is marketed as Marine Fuel at the pump, which is non-ethanol gasoline. Not sure of the octane. It is more expensive than regular fuel with ethanol in it. I run marine gas in all of my small engines, and recommend it to all my friends and family. The Gulf fuel that you have in the 1 quart cans. runs out to be about $40/gal. WOW! I wouldn't be using that, but I would use an ethanol treatment/stabilizer in the ethanol fuel.
Very complete presentation, thx ! Ethanol-free gaz has also disappeared from the province of Québec. Been told by a trusred source that all grades of gas are born egal, the only difference as you move up the grade index being the guantity of ignition firing retardant added to prevent pre-ignition on higher compression engines. The irony of it all is that this retardant would be ... ethanol. In other words, using premium gas would just compond ethanol related issues. Take care and be merry !
Yes, we had it good here for a while with the ethanol free 91 octane. The 87 was 10% and the 89 was a 50/50 mix of 87 and 91 so it was 5% now I'm hearing all grades of fuel might be 10% it's too bad.
The ignition firing retardant used in zero ethanol fuel is something other than ethanol. While both do the same thing ethanol attracts water the other does not.
@@waynestefinashen239 The switch to unleaded gasoline has required the addition of more expensive compounds, such as aromatics and highly branched alkanes, to maintain high octane numbers. And of course now ethanol as well , as you say.
Good video Jake. To quote Bob Dylan, "The Times They Are A-Changin ". Hopefully with the higher octane and less than 10% ethanol, it won’t be as bad as 87 octane and 10%. Have a good week. Rick
What I do know is that the 91 octane here in Ontario Canada says "up to 10% ethanol" at our local Canadian Tire gas bar. So until we test it a few times and take some averages, we won't know for sure. Thanks for watching!
I've never had a problem using high octane fuel with some seafoam and murphy's mystery oil. top tank off at the end of the season next winter blower kicks right over. she does a little surging for a couple of minutes but smooths out and runs fine. checked fuel tank and float bowl always clean as a whistle. the 1 caveat i would say is that i keep it in my garage that dosent have large temp swings and never drops below freezing. if i left it outside i think i would have more fuel ethanol problems.
Fellow Ontarian here, really annoyed by the lack of ethanol-free gas now. The engineered fuel drain-and-cycle is a great workaround idea, will do that ths week once my new fuel shutoff valve arrives.
We sell the B&S Kinetix brand of alkylate no ethanol fuel, the engineered fuel like True Fuel and VP Racing fuel which are sold burn very dirty and there had been alot of no start issues with them being used. Our neighbour has been using our Kinetix 2 stroke fuel for 6 years now without issue and our 2 stroke snowblower fired up after being in storage for 2.5+ years this is an excellent storage fuel guaranteed for 2 years once opened.
Pretty great video Jake keep up the great work brother lots of videos have helped a lot including dads advice to me one thing didn’t mention was does it matter if the tank is still a tad moist with pumped gaz or that don’t matter
Hope your feeling better buddy, like Jake says doesn't matter. Some may want it totally dry and a shop towel to soak up the balance inserted with forceps then removed with the forceps works fine. Just make sure to use a safety can for storage of oil or fuel soaked rags.
Thx vm for thé excellent video. I am not an expert like u but IMO, the most reliable solution for storage is to drain the tank completely… seems to me that must also include draining the carburetor bowl. I also just recently learned that all fuel sold in Canada, regardless of its octane, may have up to 10% ethanol. Is that a recent change? That of course makes it critical to do something about old gasoline in all your small (and big) engines. Thx for the suggestion of using high octane with fuel stabilizer in season and draining all gas off season. Makes sense to me.
Can you do a video of how to add a fuel shut of valve on a cub cadet 2x 2021 or newer snowblower if possible. I prefer either a petcock or one that extends out of the plastic panel
We used to use premium fuel here because it was ethanol free, sadly we can't get ethanol free fuel anymore. This engineered fuel is great, and I never BS on this channel. They say it lasts for 2yrs and I had one start after 2.5yrs, but at the 3yr mark it wouldn't start!
@@EliminatorPerformance ive seen video's where you add water to your fuel in a clear container after the water absorbs the ethanol you can siphon the stuff from the fuel add a little octane and bingo! ethanol free fuel.
@@michaelotoole1807 Absolutely true but you have just removed most of the octane so now you have to replace the ethanol with another source of octane booster. Really not worth the time nor the danger of handling when all you need for storage is one can of ethanol free alkylate fuel.
Good day Jake So all gas has ethanol in now. Now in St. Jacobs they have 93% would that work? I will have to check. Thanks good video. I hope all snow is gone. 1 yr. April 8 we had a blizzard, blew neighbour's silo roof off.
Don we recently went to Cdn. Tire to fuel up the fuel containers for the business and all octane levels were identified as 0 to 10% ethanol. Prior to filling i checked with the Manager that showed me the invoice and the 91 Octane delivered still had 0% ethanol which our testing has confirmed. We filled up but any further fill ups will require checking with the Manager first as we did this time.
@@EliminatorPerformance At 16:04 I stopped the video and read the instruction label. If using method #1, you run the engine while spraying up to 150 gr to get the engine to stall...In method #2, use 30 gr directly into cylinder and cap off with spark plug. If you put 150 grams directly into the cylinder in method #2....thats almost 1/2 the can.
Exactly, and canned fuel doesn't need any stabilizer added to it, because it's engineered not to break down for 2 years once the can has been opened, or 5 years in a closed can on the shelf
Yes he did but what we really needed to see was if there was any ethanol breakdown in the carb after 6 months which is the normal storage time using and not using stabilizers with ethanol fuel. Did you notice the fuel in the jars evaporated but had no ethanol formation like the carbs did in the end after 19 months? That proves that ethanol breaks down in fuel faster in smaller volumes agreed?
Due to all of the fuel in our area now containing ethanol, we will not be seasonally storing any equipment (for long periods of time) with pump gas. We will however be still using K100S+ fuel stabilizer, with the pump gas 91 (least amount of ethanol) to run out equipment throughout the seasons.
Great video!! I have a regular customer that I remind how to store his equipment. He does not follow my advice. We still have nonoxy fuel available. Oh well, $$$$ in my pocket.
So after watching the video I googled vpower and ethanol. I found a thread on redflagdeals from back around Oct 22. It was claiming the same thing that 91 was now containing ethanol. So I just went to my card lock and got 10 l of 91. 91 pump is separate hose. I just tested it and it contains NO ethanol.
If you dont pump the 91 into vehicle first you may get ethanol fuel into your containers first before the no ethanol starts coming through the hose if the prior customer bought 87 or 89 if they are hooked up to the same hose.
Great video. Me personally, I would add an oil change. I would prefer to store my machine with fresh oil instead of oil that contains contaminates from combustion. Do you sell the Gulf Alkylate 4T fuel?
All of our equipment is stored after full service which includes the oil change. We are not a distributor of Gulf Pro Fuel but have used the product supplied and are very happy with its performance.
Hello. Ariens 306cc 2023 or Briggs and Stratton 2023 306cc??? 1000 cad difference. Many are saying, they are all the same go for the cheapest one. I would like your advice
@@dominiqueroumieh9260 all Ariens stuff out performs the Briggs stuff hands down, if you can afford it, get a deluxe model or higher.l (platinum, sho etc...) rather than a classic model. But even the classics are good
@EliminatorPerformance thank you again. Yes, I can afford it gladly 😌. However, I want expert advice since you service them. B&S made me think twice, especially the 2023 model in stores now (almost the same one as the one in your video about the $$ pins)
So here is my theory with gasoline ⛽️: -Option 1 (my choice): use your preference fuel stabilizer (star tron, stabil, sea foam, etc..) run the high octane gas mixed with fuel stab. Turn the fuel valve off. Than after it dies, go underneath the carb bowl (Honda) and remove any fuel under the carb bowl (drain knob). This ensures the carb is dry. Option 2: remove all gas from fuel tank. This is bad for Hondas with metal tanks. Can rust the fuel tank out. Can also deteriorate fuel lines etc. Option 3: buy non ethanol fuel. This is hard to find for me and cost $30/gals +
Appear to be really good options to choose from i am taking option 3 and using a canned non ethanol alkylate fuel for storage, works everytime and like Jake said in the video even starts after 2.5 years of storage!
A lot of work, dangerous and drops the octane level so much you need to replace the loss of ethanol which provides octane with another type of octane booster. Alkylate canned fuel much easier, safer and cheap for what it accomplishes.
how sad that i didn't need to use my snow blower all season. after adjusting valves to get 80psi instead of 40 on compression test. 20 years old and still running strong. but no snow... depressing times.
@Wayne Stefinashen I swapped carbs, coil, checked valve adjustment. It will restart with electric but not pull cord, but let sit a bit pull cord will be enough. Mind you, the swapped coil was from a rider engine which only has electric start so remotely possible it has issue too.
@@gadasavideos8564 Must be the proper coil or it will not work properly needs to have the proper resistance rating specifications for that engine model
Yea this canned fuel we sell for $10 a can, my cost is like $6.50 and I can store 2 machines with 1 can so it's not bad. I definitely wouldn't need 5 gallons, and as mentioned in the video, I don't run the equipment on this stuff, it's just used to store it.
@@EliminatorPerformance I do premix in my stihl equipment because they go thru gas within 30 min or less. My Honda 1332 takes 2.5 hours to drain while running. It take tons of those fuel can to fill it
No problem using what you mentioned although we use K100S+ stabilizer which in a 1 to 1 ration does eliminate water phase separation (we have tested it). Just follow Jakes steps for storage and your equipment will fire up within 6 months even if not using the canned fuel.
Yes that's what I'll be testing. If they all contain 10% ethanol then all my small engines will get 87 octane because it's cheaper. Then canned fuel for storage!
Yes but if the fuel has ethanol in it, than the water will bind to the ethanol and separate itself inside the carburetor. It will literally displace the fuel around it, since water settles to the bottom. So you have to run ethanol free fuel, with or without a stabilizer, drain the tank and carb completely dry, or run an ethanol free canned "engineered" fuel.
In most cases if there is very little fuel say just in the carb bowl and none in the fuel lines or tank then it just evaporates and is gone. The ethanol will attract the water in the atmosphere and thus water in the bowl (see rusted carb bowl from water in video and white powdered bowl is ethanol in the video)
@@EliminatorPerformance the Honda machines like my 1332 has A drain bowl underneath the carburetor. Once I run it with treated fuel, I shut the fuel off and it starved itself. Once it dies, I unscrew this drain bowl knob and let any fuel remained inside the carb. I initially treat my fuel premium gas with star tron in a 2-1/2 gals and than at end of season do the step above. I know some engines don’t have same setup as Hondas with no fuel drain knob.
Basically it protects the engine in the same way but fogging oil it normally sprayed into the carb while the engine is running causing major smoke out of the muffler thus fogging.
But also carbon build up from running it while spraying, I don't necessarily like that way. Also there's a chance someone gets some spray into the carb and that has its own issues
