How to win an argument (at the US Supreme Court, or anywhere) | Neal Katyal 

The prioritization of persistence over logic and compromise allows nonsense to claim victory. Trump is persistent in his denial of Biden winning the election. But, I wouldn’t say he’s winning the argument... The logic behind an argument should be more important than the persistence behind it. Persistence keeps a narrative alive while people within the group claim victory while the majority is usually is disagreement. Now we all have our own truths... which means there is no truth. It’s just persistent rants.

@@PIFF50: It should go without saying that he means the persistence of logic and striving toward asymptotic excellence, not persistence for the sake of persistence itself.

Well if you lose an argument, it's not a good argument. Lol how's any of that true

Indeed, Neal became annoying when he became emotional and I didn't want to hear it.

keep in mind this was the guy who defended nestle's child slavery policies before the supreme court. not that he hasn't done amazing work, but he's a corporate lawyer first and foremost.

Being foundationally correct, but be careful what cans of worms you may open. I feel like a one-person fight about wearing masks. Last night, in the ER waiting room (it covers 2 full City blocks and has twin towers, 12 floors high and a heli-pad on top. 5 people in the waiting room w their masks either under their chin or noses. Reported each and every one of them to the Police/on-site Office. Fully several officers, a walk through metal detectors, etc. Finally got tired of it. Raised my decibel level a few and said - loudly -SIR/MAM, WE'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU COVERED BOTH YOUR MOUTH AND NOSE! No apologies made. Period. Sick and tired of being sick and tired of the dingbats that fail to believe that anyone, anywhere inside a building/business, MUST WEAR A MASK. Have been called many names, including B, the female dog, the C word for female genetalia, waited in the back of the store for 30 minutes hoping that they have gone home, just to get in my car w the groceries. Repeat Offenders, aka, numerous times (5-8)? Albertsons/Safeway? Every time. Kroger, Fred Meyer? Every time! WalMart? Every time... Both customers and clients! 3 different locations, including the largest location per square foot on the entire West Coast! Taco Bell, most/all. Taco Time, most/all. Burger King, every. Jack n the Box 8 of 10. Got given stereophonic sign language (the birds, plural) by the store manager himself. He had a dress shirt and a tie on. Wendy's, 5, 2 locations. McDonalds, 7, 3 locations. Stay safe and well, ok? ⚘🙏❤🙏⚘

Major Old Lady aka, Mom So sad. I come to the conclusion that we can’t win stupidity!

@@majoroldladyakamom6948 I work in a grocery store, so I do appreciate what you are trying to accomplish. One small objection: if they are not wearing a mask, engaging with them about it is likely to 1. Cause a loud verbal outburst, exposing more people to their spittle, and 2. Create a discussion (argument) that makes the offender hang around longer, in order to debate. If you just make a quiet comment to them and let it go at that, they can be quickly checked out, or whatever, and moved on along AWAY FROM US. It is not as satisfying, but accomplishes the goal of getting them the heck away from us as quickly as possible, since you obviously won’t change their opinion anytime soon. Just a thought.

I agree, and what follows does not take away from the positive features of the speech, but I do feel that he could have done with moderating his position - on some matters he might think that he is definitely, 100% technically, verifiably correct (such as whether a current law is in keeping with past precedent, the constitution or America's professed historical values), but he did seem to present this largely in terms of good vs evil, right vs wrong, which I don't think is entirely appropriate. Values are important for any society, but we live in a complex, ever-changing world and it isn't always easy to agree how we should respond to developments. Our values necessarily shift, change, grow and shrink over time in various ways, there's humanity on both sides of most arguments is what I would like to emphasise.

Totally agree. Very very moving. America is so lucky to have such brilliance in men like Neal.

It’s funny because this guy just got a ruling for Nestle in favor of child slavery in Africa. Great for democracy alright!

Hopefully he appears sometime this year

Nature. It (she?) heats up the oven already.

Ted: *sweating profusely*

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Why? Because he can read a text and regurgitate it for a camera? Even the so called Trump travel restrictions from specific countries was a plan made by Obama not Trump, called the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015, that says Nationals of VWP countries who have traveled to or been present in Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, or Yemen at any time on or after March 1, 2011 is no longer eligible for travel or admission to the United States. Neal is literally lying and misrepresenting reality.

@@Johansen1000 Neal is probably one the best, if not the best! he has more integrity and decency more than anyone in the Trump administration, but if you don't want him i will give Preet Bharara, the orange man worst nightmare!

@@rasat4829 how much do you know about neils integrity... All u heard was wgat he said

@@Johansen1000 As far as I know, Obama's wasn't a ban , even though it did make travel harder, unlike Trumps.

@@snakearekat2634 As far as you know? I just spelled out word for word what the Law passed by Obama said, do you understand what "traveled to or been present in" the 7 Muslim country's "at any time on or after March 1, 2011" is no longer eligible for travel or admission to the United States. do you understand what that means?

Must not be in sales. Confidence is key.

@@erniellerena correct. I'm sure confidence is key if you are selling stuff, but we're talking about ideas and rhetoric.

I was hoping he would develop that point a little more and tell why confidence undermines persuasion and what the implications are. Should you purposefully sound nervous? Why would that work better? He never explains. He just makes the statement "I realized confidence is the enemy of persuasion." If you say something counterintuitive like that it demands an explanation.

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@@erniellerena As a customer, I prefer the empathetic and curious salesperson to the confident one. The confident one will tell me what I want. The empathetic one will try to find out what I want.

I'm in the USA and I completely agree with you! It is anathema to our constitution and the very purpose of our nation!

Hy

Say more.

@Anonymous Anonymous Being a horse trader does not mean he is wrong. That's a poor ad hominem. Try being more subtle.

US America as it should be. Let’s hope for the best.

No

He was a dumbass.

@@20alphabet I dont even know who he is, but the saying is true. The point of a discussion is not to find out who is right, but what is right

@@marcassa123 ...but still.

I feel like you should always aim to win an argument, that's like saying like don't aim for perfection, or being the best, but rather just settle with being good.

@@blue.5768 I agree. Yeah, tell your teacher it's not important to complete the test, but that the test is being attended to. An argument is a test.

Empathizing with the one who's accusing me? Nah, imma accuse him back. He was standing on top of the body. HE did it!

@@GauravSingh-ku5xy lol 😂

lol

damn

Gonna have to up the discussion time from 15 seconds then, so there’s time to say more than “where” and “red sus”