how tone deaf people hear music 

no way!

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Wait, for real? 👀

​@@Caerulean Nah, when I wrote it down, I only got the message "YOU'L TONE", so the first guy must've made a mistake somewhere

@@Floodpelt R E = •-• • L = •-••

THIS IS SO SWEET WTH AAAAH

omg 🥰 thats so sweet

Thats not tone deaf, thats just how grandkids music sounds to every older generation. (lol)

@@SciFiSecrets You never met my grandmother and don't know what music i was playing. Why are you asserting it's "just the kids music these days" she was experiencing?

@@EchoLog < doesn't understand jokes....

Yeah, Fur Elise makes a surprisingly good ringtone.

+ x"D

Well he is still better then someone that does not think they are Tone deaf. BUT THEY ARE.

The phone's ringtone? It was just static.

Haha

That’s impressive

Thanks. I's doing some shower singing the other day, paying super close attention to the sensations in my throat, and so was wondering about this.

Very interesting!

when i sing in the choir and can’t hear myself, i have to rely on the way a note feels to sing to tell if i’m off pitch, or even on the right note 😅

My older sister can sing pretty well, and, as a kid, was generally favored in her music classes. She was even decent at playing the flute. It wasn't until a few years ago, in college, that she found out that she was tone deaf. One of her professors uncovered it by accident. There was some demonstration that involved the use of tones. Naturally, she was totally confused and brought up her inability to tell the difference between the sounds. In a span of minutes, the professor ran an experiment and informed her that she's tone deaf. Funnily enough, I had chronic ear infections as a kid (swimmers ear from bad bathing habits), not her, and I'm not tone deaf.

harmonica harmonica harmonica

guitar guitar guitar

"Yeah... I'm going to take my horse to the old town road." Lol

@@cynthiasilva7422 "OLD TOWN ROAD! THATS A GREAT SONG!"

That's not how it went...

Ha ha ha! Clever.

Mind-blowing :0

I know I probably shouldn't laugh but I lost it so much at your comment XDDDD

As a fellow deaf person who wears a cochlear implant and hearing aid, I disprove that fact. (I'm joking, I know some people do choose to live without them and that's fine. I really am deaf tho)

😂

That is something a confirm-deaf person would say

@@Gmod2012lo1 no it wouldnt be

@@Gmod2012lo1 LMAO

Underrated comment. Well played, sir or madam.

@@nunyabusiness2945 um

bell, bell, bell, bell

Aw I will pray the Lord heals your ears.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I got the unlucky whistle whistle whistle type tinnitus. Sometimes it's just an all out squeal that turns my world into a death metal type production. Isn't it just great?

Bell, bell, bell, bell, bell, bell, bell Guitar, guitar, Bell, bell, bell, bell, bell, bell,Guitar, guitar, Bell, bell, bell, bell, bell, bell, Drums *Mississippi Queen*

that is so wholesome!!

I’m truly awful at singing, but the one benefit to chanting Torah is that there isn’t really a specific pitch to match (at least as far as I ever learned). You just have to go higher or lower when you’re supposed to. I could keep to within my pathetically small range too. I’m sure I didn’t sound great at my bat mitzvah, but way better than if I were trying to sing an actual song.

Such a motivating person !!

I know its beautiful story, but sentence "Sound boring instead of horrendous" as a winning situation makes me laugh so hard :-D

Aren't the women not supposed to learn it

Not sure if it would be worth it, but there are pitch detector softwares out there. You might be able to trial and error out something through a mixture of tactile and visual feedback. Would probably take a few weeks of practice to get a basic scale down though, and it would do nothing for your hearing, but you might be able to eventually sing off of sheet music. It would be like learning how to type without looking at your hands on an unfamiliar keyboard with a strange layout.

I wonder if tone deaf people singing to other tone deaf people would sound good to them... 🤔

@@WouldntULikeToKnow. It depends upon how far off the person singing is. If they can get close to the note but not quite I will never know. On the other hand if I listen to a recording of me singing it sounds horrible. It will also depend on where they are off since I hear better in lower ranges I would notice a bass singer being off way sooner than a soprano.

@@flinfake Tactile feedback can detect sound, but I can't see how it could possibly detect tone. I went through years of speech therapy during elementary school to overcome speech difficulties to say nothing of singing. (Like I said its a complex series of auditory issues)

@@jimh4375: If tactile feedback couldn't detect tone, how do other people's ears work? Ears are merely specialized structures for receiving tactile feedback. Can you feel the difference between the vibrations of wood, metal, and stone when you strike it? A sound is not a singular averaged value, it is a complex formula with variables for how it grows, interacts with the various component frequencies, and eventually decays, not to mention echoes and how it resonates with its surroundings and the sensor. All of this can be felt by the skin of your hand once you know it is there, barring neurological oddities. Learning tone is all about deciphering a complex melange of shifting frequencies. I am naturally monotone and took speech classes myself. I was taught to wear earplugs when practicing and focus on the vibrations in my throat. If you just want to learn how to use pitch, the rate of vibration IS pitch. A higher note on a guitar vibrates faster than a lower one. Find the right vibrations for the right note and you're done. Tone, of which pitch is merely a part, is harder.

Aphantasia is wild if you don't know about it but it's very real. The first time I learned there are people with no inner monologue or who are not able to imagine anything, I was shocked. Meanwhile those with Aphantasia learn the inner monologue in anime series is an actual thing for people and are equally shocked. It's crazy how few people know about something with such a huge impact.

-me with visual snow Wait all of you guys dont have flashing lights overlaying your vison. How did you invent pixel screens then?

@@boserboser6870 Rip that sucks. I have it as well but not too intense. It gets worse when I didn't have enough magnesium intake, it works for me to use supplements (also related to my migraines, which are also related to magnesium for me). It might be worth a try.

​​​@@hagelslag9312 that one's weird because I kinda picture stuff, but when I try to go into detail intentionally it sorta gets all funky (like being super duper stoned). Similarly, I can definitely think without any inner monologue because I know I do it for a good portion of my day (which also makes meditating a bit easier despite having pretty severe ADHD) but I can't simultaneously think about inner monologues and not have one verbalizing my thoughts-- I can only turn it off if I don't try to. Basically, I can think in only vivid pictures, without any verbal thoughts, but only if I don't think about my thought processes too much 😅

@@hagelslag9312 aphantasia is when you can't imagine pictures in your mind. It's totally different from not having an inner voice. I have aphantasia and have had a strong inner voice (which honestly never shuts up). I listen to music inside my head too.

we just need matpat to make a wild theory about it all at some point

Time to create a Danielverse wiki

@@justanaveragebuzzsaw Yess

SIX SEASONS AND A MOVIE!!!!! wait... did I do that right?

Oh my goodness, this explains why in the housewarming video, he didn't have a keyboard in his house! You wouldn't need one if you were tone deaf!

I had to laugh " just need help to train their brains to properly hear music and then produce vocally". That what my music teacher thought when he decided I was a perfect candidate for a starring role in musical theatre. See my comment above further up thread. Poor man. He had to admit defeat (eventually) and I was trying so hard to please him.

@Brian theSnail to be VERY clear, it's a REALLY slow process. Minimum of one year, usually. I've been teaching one student for just over two years this Feb., and he has only just started really being able to stay in key to sections of songs. The commitment to practice is a major help, though.

@@JewishMusicToronto Wow! A minimum of a year? That is dedication. To be honest, I wish I wasn't tone deaf because I do like music and singing (very badly). I also was a church bell ringer in England and was in charge of a team of 20 bell ringers and I used to teach people to ring. I would have been much better at it if I had been able to easily distinguish the notes of the different bells although we don't ring tunes only 'changes' which are just permutations.

@Brian theSnail it DOES take dedication, for sure. It helps when students have goals. As for my side, teaching tone hearing, production, and control is very rewarding, and that's why I chose it as my specialty with vocal students when I started teaching (though I teach regular vocal lessons too). If you enjoy music, it's unlikely you're TRULY tone deaf. (As Daniel presents here, true tone deafness is very different from not easily copying notes.) If you want to test something for yourself, I'll give you one exercise you can try that I use to assess and then train students. While using a voice recorder app, use a piano (or piano app) to play notes, and try to sing them back. Then listen back and see if you can tell whether or not you're able to tell where you're on and off. You've got nothing to lose.

Morgan Freeman

Thanks a lot for this! I'd never have figured out that .____. stood for an apostrophe. Lol. I also didn't understand that there was a second section due to the funny noises.

​@@amritas2400Same! I also thought it just said "You're tone"

​@@amritas2400yeah, went back immediatly to listen to first time after it caught me off guard, heard the "you're tone" and I was like "huh, guess he forgot to add the rest" at first 😂

@@amritas2400 I just use it as a smil lol

can confirm i can't tell which note is higher unless they're an octave apart. i just learn which button on the piano means which dot on the paper

I feel so bad for tone deaf people

I was been told that I have Perfect Pitch. When someone Sings a Note or two incorrectly I want to leave the room.

it's 1/20 really, though people often use the word often just to mean someone's "non-musical" where actual tone deafness is not present. As a rule of thumb, if you listen to music on a regular basis and enjoy it, then you're probably not tone deaf

you and me both, simply terrified that people have this condition and are having such indescribable problems to fight with on everyday basis.

But you can still appreciate Daddy Daddy Do 👌

@Don't Read My Profile Photo Ok I won’t

@@oivariini7 A man of culture I see

@@NTN_music fellow men of culture, good to see you

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Hey I have a question about tone deafness. Can you identify the voice of different people when they speak?

Don't feel bad about that. Many instruments can be really similar and hard to identify out-of-context, especially if they were recorded in unusual ways. I once had a recording that I could swear had a mandolin or buzuki in it. Only later did I realize that it was of a piano, but that they recorded it with the microphone right up near the strings. The sound of the strings was really twangy and tinny. But in the end they are all string instruments amplified by a wooden box. (I played in high-school band btw and am not tone-deaf.)

@@HermanVonPetri - Thank you for that. Mine are pretty embarrassing. The bass guitar is what will often confuse me. I can’t remember if I thought drums were making the noise and it was a bass guitar or vice versa but I had that. And then, of course, the confusion with regular guitar. I’m really hoping to get the musical genius gene in my next life. Might try and steal it from Daniel. 😛

Yeah don’t feel bad! Recognizing instruments takes practice! And time!

Gotta keep you away from Apocalyptica

"she knew lyrics, but not their melodies." On the bright side, that's usually enough to Google it. Though if you didn't catch very many of the lyrics or if, heaven forbid, it's a purely instrumental song, then unfortunately you're SOL.

I too am Bose-deaf

@@GT-tj1qg I'll have to remember that one lol.

well, it happens to most of people. If you listen to a lot of music and can compare that new speaker to another one, then you may spot it right away (sometimes the difference is too small that only producers hear it tho)

same thing happens to me both with audio and visual. back when 4k was new, my friend got one and I didn't notice any different. thought that I was lying about it. Then they were showing me youtibe videos and kept altering the quality and i could barely tell the different;

@@GT-tj1qg lol.

FYI, 90% of tone deaf cases can be “cured” by practicing them listening with their ears rather than their minds. I usually have a pitch played or sung constantly right near their ears and then have them practice singing until their hear the pitch start to match and resonate with the tone being played. Once they realize the issue (they are matching a tone in their head that isn’t the tone they’ve actually heard) they can practice listening with their ears and matching tones. It sounds crazy but it works. Ears are good at hearing pitches, minds have to be trained how to replicate them.

@lily cartinine Yeah it is true :)

@@MyBiPolarBearMax Fun fact, not all people have an inner monologue and can hear their own voice (aphantasia). This might be a similar issue because it also applies to sound and imagery. If you ask them to imagine something, it stays blank.

@@hagelslag9312 yup, amusia, their brains just can't process that information in the same way other people's do

Does this applies to lyric deaf too?

lol

As someone who’s read a comment about someone reading a comment I can confirm that preempting all comments with a qualification ESPECIALLY a PhD or Career is basically a requirement in 2023. Whether you actually have that qualification no one will ever know lol It’s effing annoying like how do people not get fed up (with themselves) saying “actual molecular Scientologist here”

I was gonna like this but want to keep it at 666

As someone whose main source of information is youtube, I can confirm your comment is accurate.

can non tone deaf people have similar experiences? before i started playing bass i always felt weird because i couldnt always tell if a note was higher or lower than another one. but after playing bass for a while and actually making music my ear has gotten a lot better and i dont really have this problem anymore. i know im not tone deaf because i actually have always had a decent ear, and thats why this problem was kind of confusing for me.

Lmao

I think that's my case too.

Jazz. Don't ever try to explain the beauty of the jazz to the tone deaf person 🤣

I didn't know I am Tone death until this video

lol i was once making some random chords and streamed it on our discord server XD and one friend came to listen.....dayum she was unable to tell a difference between major and minor.....seriously i thought thats like normal thing everyone can do. Everyone excels at something different tho, i really suck at math XD PS. song "the worst day of my life" reminds me of one of my early works melodically :D interesting pieces you got.

_Multiple_ tone deaf friends? Are you starting a collection?

​@@MyuuniumLMAO

God for realll. I’m not tone deaf but I do have issues and the amount of people who think I just need a good push are too many. No, hun, I physically cannot do this thing.

oh hi description of me

@@nanismeelasla Nanis Meelasla

@@uncroppedsoop uncropped soop

lmao whats going on here

Also, a lot of people who aren't tone deaf don't know much about music but still enjoy it, even if they're not thinking about it in musical terms. A lot of people don't really care if the song they're listening to is actually good or not, but I'm musically inclined and I care.

This is my lame attempt at a compliment

Ok I wont

@Don't Read My Profile Photo ok

Well if you can play songs by ear you are definitely not tone deaf. So how why is this painful? I would imagine it would be funny or something

@@TeenPerspektiva it’s painful because I can’t stand seeing someone struggle so much.

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same

But what happened in the end? I do not understand.

When I first found out about auditory processing disorder I was glad because it perfectly explains why I have to ask everyone I talk to to repeat themselves at least 8 times in any conversation. Also I'm neurodivergent, so it checks out.

You are an awesome person! I'm being serious.

It usually comes most commonly in people with adhd. I can hear music and tones perfectly well (actually better than most), but if I'm in a crowd and someone is trying to say something to me, I hear it perfectly fine, but it just doesn't seem to make any sense among the plethora of background noise. It basically goes: No compute, I give up, too much effort, lol

@@freshestavacado9195 You know, seeing as how I have adhd, this is actually a really good explanation for why I have so much trouble understanding people even when I have my hearing aids in.

I know there is a whole story here, but I just cant help finding the words "Former Dad" a bit odd lol

Oh, that's not a horse whip, Daniel is a freak.

Subtle…

Why does he have that...😅

Ya..definitely not a horse whip..

so glad someone brought it up but oh... dear sweet summer child, that is NOT a horse whip (also who even calls it a horse whip? are you thinking of a riding crop?)

I was cringing the entire time. It's so painful to hear those words "All you gotta do is try/practice!" NO THATS NOT HOW THIS WORKS "Sure it does"

"just be better"

"stop faking it" or "you're just doing that to get attention"

"No, but come on like try for real." I assure you I am at maximum try ;~;

just ask these guys if they can benchpress 1000 kg, can fly or read minds. if they say no: you just gotta try harder then.

I think if you can train your way past it, it's not "true" tone deafness, just a poor ear. Thankfully you can correct that with practice, because that's a pretty common condition!

@@keepinmahprivacy9754 true actually, I noticed myself getting less and less tone deaf by transcribing and listening to more music, I definitely can't tell what a note is just by hearing it yet but I can definitely tell when it sounds off

But make it melodramatic and sappy

@daniel please

YES

But in a way higher key cause Daniel is a tenor and Bo is a bass baritone and It would just be cool to hear it done differently like that.

He commented on Bo's video actually! It'd be fun if he was up for it

Question then, when you're at the piano attempting to sing in tune, do you not hear it then? The tones clashing? Does it just sound like.. nothing?

@@Raev222 I can hear the difference between notes that are played slowly say half an octave apart but I cant mimic them with my voice. I can make my voice 'high' or 'low' but how high or low I simply have no clue. I find it almost impossible to distinguish which notes are 'higher' and which notes which are 'lower' if they are close together in tone and played quickly one after another in a normal piece of music. I can hear a scale progression from low to high if it is played slowly but once the notes are randomised I have no clue. For someone who is clearly a very gifted musician who has near perfect pitch, Daniel shows in his video a remarkable sense of what is really like for someone less gifted than he is. I really do hear 'high-guitar, drum, high-guitar, low-guitar', 'drum' when I listening to rock music for example. I hear rhythm not tone if that makes sense.

That would suck, music is incredible.

As someone who has played an instrument for ten years. What the fuck. I can imagine this. Like not being able to tell the difference between the highest note on the piano and the lowest one is insane for me.

thanks

As someone who plays piano, this would absolutely suck. I rely a ton on my hearing, especially to check if I pressed the wrong or right key

@@deltablaze77 i know right :(

​@DontReadMyProfilePhoto_2 Oops. Too late.

​@DontReadMyProfilePhoto_2 I read your name. Then I read your profile photo. It had a message telling me not to look under my kitchen sink. I looked and there was a note telling me not to open the can of alphabet soup I bought. I opened the can and took out all those spaghetti letters. I arranged them a hundred different times looking for a meaning and then I found it "previous commenter is gae".

Don't worry, as long as you can count to 1, you're fine. 😉 (sorry, just a little percussionist on percussionist violence there lol. couldn't help myself!)

@@m0L3ify no fr I took AP Music Theory and my teacher curved my grade from a D to a B because he felt so bad

@@caracheyenne8839 Music Theory is tough for sure. I'm glad your teacher was compassionate about it! I mean...what can you do?

Do you still listen to music? Like percussion albums or something?

@@ictogon I listen to any and all music I just don’t hear the full range of notes and I can’t decipher between notes 🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s really hard to explain but if you heard me try to sing you would understand 🫣

THATS WHAT IM SAYIN MAN-

I had no idea that was possible. CONSISTENTLY a fifth below?! The human brain is astonishing. Thanks for sharing.

Not being able to hold a note usually just implies poor vocal control and an inaccurate internal voice. Tone deafness means they literally can't distinguish different notes and can't comprehend chords and progressions, it just sounds like random notes with no correlation.

That's unrelated to this video though

a couple of my friends actually want to go to SCAD so this is actually very helpful. high end schools tend to be very stressful but hearing from someone who went there just confirms my suspicions. i’ll be sure to at least warn them of the stuff they’ll take on if they end up going.

Not just this, but SCAD has also contributed immensely to the growing gentrification of the city, exacerbating the poverty and disparity a great deal, mostly affecting families who have been there generationally.

@@PhoenixGodwin that's literally every college that isn't located in a major city

Also a graduate of SCAD. If you like seeing Wallace spend all of your tuition money on a lavish lifestyle, knock yourself out

SCAD is a huge scam. I went there for a graduate degree and the education was a joke. Worse Paula Wallace the president is a horrible woman who has used SCAD as her and her family’s personal trust fund, enriching herself with $2 million a year and flying private jets. It’s so bad that the FBI investigated SCAD to see if it could even be classified as a non profit anymore. DONT GO TO SCAD it is a waste of time and money

‘Astounded’ not really until you know a good chunk of people think neither in images or language.. many are rather incapable of picturing any image in their imagination (aphantasia).

​@@AkshaySharma-ut6rv I had a therapist when I was in the mental hospital argue with me for nearly 15 minutes because she insisted that all people think in images and I disagree. Doesn't compute to me at all. When I think of something, I can recall how to describe it, perhaps where I interacted with it last if it's an object or when I'd seen them last and things I know about them if it's a person. I don't "see" images in my mind in the same way I "hear" music/words in my mind. I can play back songs very accurately in my head. I can give myself the chills imagining the intro to brahms violin concerto, and how the instruments swell into the solo violin. I can hear the words others have spoken in their voice and cadence. I don't have perfect pitch (sadly) but I do have really good relative pitch. When I try to "picture" something it's like a vague impression, there's not really anything there but my ability to describe the thing with words. I "can" visualize to a degree if I have reference in front of me, such as imagining how a shape would look if it's been rotated, but without any physical stimuli it's nearly impossible to visualize to any practical degree. I think aphantasia is still an incredibly misunderstood subject and there's a massive issue with terminology and our ability to objectively describe how we experience thought. I don't know if I have aphantasia because I'm not sure if I understand how other people actually visualize things. Like with imagining sound, I don't hear it with my ears, I hear it in my mind. I don't really have a visual equivalent to that, and it seems from what i've read the average person would say that they do. Its a really fascinating topic.

I'm not only tone deaf but I'm missing my mid range and half my low range so unless i turn treble off everything sounds like metal in a garbage disposal.

@@whatbroicanhave50character35 My case is precisely the same as yours about mental imagery. I don’t think in images but I can visualise very vaguely.. like very specific highlights and, relative orientations. It is essentially just a sense of awareness that I use to explain. I don’t think in words either. I am very good at relative pitch too haha. Helps me in composing music. I can sing in my head but not really listen to it like you do.

@@AkshaySharma-ut6rv The inability to imagine things is actually incredibly rare, dunno what you mean by ''good chunk of people''. Probably a bigger chunk than you can bite off but likely such a small chunk that every single person with no imagination could fit into a relatively small apartment building. If you can visualize anything at all no matter how dull it may seem, you don't have aphantasia, you just have an underdeveloped ability to imagine. You can train this, or at least i was able to and was able to go from a pretty dull imagination to being able to vividly imagine things to the point where they pop out even against a real world background.

True story. They just say "what's that noise"?

Oh, I didn't realize my "very male country singer sounds the same" or "every emo band sounds the same" was a tone deaf thing. I do agree that ASMR is the best thing ever, although for me music is a type of ASMR, if it is complex enough, because I really like unpredictably, and complex music can get pretty unpredictable.

@@hurpdurp123 Well tone deaf is probably the extreme version haha. YES all emo bands sound the same to me. My ex boyfriend was suuuper into emo and would sometimes ask me "Which band is this?" and I never had a clue despite the fact that we had heard the same song many times, live and on CD. Probably a reason why we're now exes xD