HSE: Guardians and Ancestors 

oh wow

I've seen it as Rose attempting to reject her destiny and trying to become what is essentially a Mage of Void. She let herself be influenced by the horrorterrors, Void, and attempted to play an *active* role in going straight for Jack Noir. Needless to say, this did not end well.

The main thing for me is I'm honestly not sure if people roleplay Aspects the same way they do Classes. Some evidence seems to point to that possibility, but other evidence conflicts. I mentioned it once while talking about Rose, but here I felt it would detract from and overcomplicate the point, which is the way descendants echo/try to imitate their ancestors' actions and personalities.

That's because homestuck's isn't a family tree, it's a family pretzel!

@@miles3101 All You Zombies might have the most baffling "family tree" of all

But the big question is... How does Kris relate to LE or his agents? By hijacking the story? Being stereotypically demonic?

Kris is a jerk; Caliborn is also a jerk. Duh.

Aradia? Aradia Serket? Itts aranea

You know what i mean, and also ardata and aranea getting crossed

One True Being #001 A. I. See the video on classpects for more Jungian terms hahahah

Cathie Upchurch perhaps those are the only sessions not destined to be scratched in the first place; keep in mind the alpha trolls failed not because they failed at the game, but because the session was glitched, without an ectolqb, which made it necessary for them to scratch, even tho in paradox space the beta trolls were already in existence

That could be very likely be the cause.

This is the main reason why I think natural born players can't win The Game. The scratch only changes the date the meteors with the babys will arrive, so if there are no ecto-babys the scratch can't be done, leaving the players only one shot to win.

Bianca Jager who knows though, it would still change the timeline, maybe one of their descendants plays instead or alternatively timeline version. It would be like the Butterfly Effect where changing one thing changes everything.

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@@optimisticDuelist 🖤🖤

the trolls have to find their own ancestors by researching history because they were born too far after their respective ancestor died. But the trolls who play SGURB just have their role model's story delivered by Skaian meteors instead, so we didn't see the effects of not having a person they look up to in the comic.

clown tiddie

I got Libra (Lipia), and also apparently my patron troll's vriska. (however, i am a knight)..and also a derse dreamer. and also a light player. we're both chaos.

If your actions are based on him. It's your choice.

Its implied in the Hiveswap Friendsims that Trolls' Last names/Caste names are given by Jadebloods. We dunno how they get their given names, but Scratch definitely doesn't care and Lusii can't talk, so the answer is Probably Still Jades. Maybe we'll find out for sure sometime.

oh okay that’s because they shift with the class of their ancestors I get it now

Cathie Upchurch 1) there are 7 gates above the players house, each one presenting a challenge to the player, the 7th one being a gate to the denizen. There are also return nodes located around the land that send the player back to their house, and other gates that allow the player to travel to other player’s lands. 2) all the consorts are supposed to be related/are amphibians; it’s supposed to allude to the frog as the great source of creation, or something like that. So yeah, loads of amphibious animals to use as consorts. I’ve even seen little dragons used like the nakodiles on Dave’s land. Lmao 3) id highly recommend lookin up Danhi’s Classpect guide for your character, as it gives a really good stipulation on what the challenges/obstacles are for the player to overcome. What you have doesn’t exactly sound like a page’s journey, but I really like the concept you have there; it’s a lot like the oil in John’s land being used by the denizen. As for the badguys, between the denizen and the black carapaces (aka the imps), that’s all that there really is as far as I’m aware. Keep in mind however that each session of sburb is unique to that universe, meaning there’s gonna be minor changes and discrepancies that you can write between to add those bad consorts in if you want. The fanadventure format allows you to play a little looser with the mechanics, given that we only /really/ see one complete, detailed sburb session (being the beta kids), while we only got snapshots of the troll’s main session, and the Alpha kid’s session was a void one

Hope that helps! Contact me if you have any further questions, I’m kinda in the middle of structuring my own fan adventure too!

1: There are seven gates above the houses, and an undetermined number of gates on the planets that lead to other players houses and planets or back to your own house. The seventh and highest gate is high up enough to be nearly at Skaia itself. As for consorts, they appear to be mostly, but not universally, amphibious or reptilian life forms. I'm sure you could get away with having basically anything you want as consorts as long as it makes sense for the player's personal quest, but as far as I'm aware, we have no examples of planets with more than one kind of consort. Also, it probably shouldn't be frogs.

NJP695 thanks that does help. I wanted to have the fear thing because that is the thing that holds me back the most. From the fear of looking like an idiot or simply using the internet (believing I'll screw up and get a virus/Identity stolen). My quest us to except myself and not be controlled by fear as I help the consorts.

ScttDynamite220 thanks

Now-are

@@izzrainy7410 in the ballad of Jack Noir, Toby pronounces it as No-Are This guy pronounces it as nore

Eh. It's a french word, I'm a french person, didn't feel that bad honestly. Just like someone who pronounces it with a little bit of an accent.

lamp

lamp

/ˈnwɑː/

hoo hoo hoo that's where you're wrong~ evidence for dave not being straight and having a bit of a crush on karkat: •He admits he really only joked about homosexuality to john and was overwhelmingly 'not gay' because of the toxic bro culture he was raised in. • Davepeta says that they don't feel conflicted about karkat, and is a bit surprised at that. • He asks Dirk how to come out of the closet. There's probably more to this argument, but that's what I remember.

That's an interesting interpretation. What do you think Dave was referring to here about telling his friends? www.homestuck.com/story/7922 And how do you interpret the conversation between John Dave and Karkat earlier when they reunited? Thanks! I love hearing different interpretations :)

@@a-bird-lover Davepeta is an amalgamation of Dave and Nepeta, and Nepeta is actively flushed for Karkat. Davepeta can't be used to argue for a homosexual Dave. Homoerotic humor is very alive in the military as a dynamic, though I couldn't tell you why. We're not a bunch of homosexuals, it's just funny to us to make jokes about gay shit. Dave outright responds to John's question by saying he isn't gay lol, and that if John thought he was gay, he wasn't paying attention to what he was talking about in his rant. I'd have to reread the other parts of the comic to have a context of them though.

@@ulups6688 I'm not completely certain, to be honest. I do know that both Dave and Karkat's arcs as characters don't work if they're in a romantic relationship. Especially Karkat. Karkat's relationship arc is in the pursuit of the mysterious "unknown" quadrant, which has clues for its nature rooted in both his Dancestor and his aspect. The Signless's knowledge of the unknown quadrant and Karkat's aspect are both rooted in blood, in the idea of "family," something completely foreign to the vast majority of, if not all of, the Troll species. The signless finds his "family" in his mother (the Dolarosa), and those he effectively adopts into his cult (if you wanna call it that) and their bonds are made through how they've saved one-another. Karkat's development is in being "bros" with Dave in a sense that goes beyond platonic friendship, and becomes a sense of a bond of "blood," of brothers in arms as knights, as kinsmen. Dave being there as somebody who has his best interests in mind, and Karkat being there as a stand-in for the warmth of brotherhood that Bro/Dirk could never offer him. Trying to make Dave and Karkat gay for each other just ruins the entire buildup of the character, arc, and Hussie isn't that lazy of a writer, he's too competent for it to be a matter of shipping. I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote in a few red herrings to fuck with us though. Dave's character arc is coming from a starting point of constant failure as a knight (because everybody around him is dying, including himself from other timelines, and Bro stepping in does more to protect people than he can) and how that leads to him largely trying to feign disassociation as a defense mechanism, to a gradual development of security in his ability to defend others as a knight and their ability to stay alive as a whole, allowing him to bond with people without risking a deep loss. He can open up and be earnest about what he thinks about a situation without having to layer it in irony anymore, and he starts asking the deep and dark questions about the nature of his attachments, and he can finally be comfortable with it. In fact, I bet he's asking Dirk (in regards to your question from before) about how to be open about how he feels without having to hide anything anymore. Dave as a character is a broken person who's trying to hide it for the majority of the story, with varying degrees of coping and success, and a few obsessions with death to follow suit. His relationship with Karkat is squarely rooted in a sense of safety and security, as opposed to the constant paranoia that Bro/Dirk put him through, and so the actual familial dynamic works perfectly.

@@psychicnecrosis8376 Thanks for the reply! I just wrote out a pretty huge response and highlighted it to copy it but Im on a phone and ended up deleting it instead RIP. But basically, I can see Karkat's brotherhood motif with Jack and Eridan. I thought of the quadrant beyond as being what the sufferer had with the disciple, mirrored ny Karkat admitting that he wants Terezi in every quadrant when outwardly he worships the quadrant system. This could mirror Dave similarly refining his warrior's code by rejecting the notion that masculinity is opposed to homosexuality. Thus, a romantic omni-quadrant pairing for them could make sense under thst arc. But regardless of the nature of thejr relationship, as you mentioned, the most important consequence is that their relationship helped them both learn how to open up to other people and overcome their issues. Thanks again for the opportunity to see It with a new lens! It never ceases to amaze me how complex and how much room for discussion there is about Homestuck when it began as just a pretty silly webcomic :)

Vriska still did nothing wrong

she did do things wrong but so did everyone in homestuck

@@pensivex4250 vriska STILL did nothing wrong