HSE: Gamzee Makara...might make SENSE? - (Pt. 1/?)

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[The script for this 3-Part Video Series is available to Patrons now.]
I didn't plan for this, you gotta believe me. The Homestuck thoughts converged on me late in the night, beat me up and MADE me make you start watching what's now at least a trilogy of videos on Gamzee Makara--often described as the worst character in Homestuck.
I'm sorry.
...But is he? A combination of new insights from the fandom and new lore details revealed through Hiveswap have left me wondering if, perhaps, this lousy purple clown may have hidden depths after all. I found the questions so exciting, I literally could not resist the impulse to drop everything else I'm working on to share them with you. You're welcome.
I wanna do something a little different, so I'm going to include a question of the day for each video from now on. Answer it, and you might have higher odds of eventually being featured in a comments response, whenever and however I bring those out for you guys.
This week's question is simple:
What do you think the relationship between Lil Cal and Gamzee is like?
If you'd like some other perspectives on Gamzee to work off, here's some of the works that inspired this one:
Tex Talks' case for Gamzee, Rage, and Plot Contrivance: • A Meditation on Gamzee...
Oscar's (200 Page!) Essay on Gamzee's character arc:
problematwink.tumblr.com/post...
My prior biggest post on Gamzee (now somewhat outdated):
revolutionaryduelist.tumblr.c...
I don't necessarily agree with the exact points raised in any work I link (including my own), but you might find such work useful in responding. Hope they help!
Feel free to respond here, on Patreon, or at:
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@tsg_frank5829 6 лет назад

If there is one thing true in Homestuck is that you can't trust anything that Hussie says. To me Gamzee makes much more sense than he seems to, and this video is a great analysis on his character. Keep it up

@someone-jy2qx 6 лет назад

[S] Video Watcher: Mental Breakdown.

@homestuckhoovy1135 5 лет назад

NOT v That's all there is to say on the matter.

@codenamejinza 6 лет назад

It broke my heart when Gamzee went to the Dark Side, because he was always so nice and sweet on his friends. When Aranea was controlling him during the Game Over Arc and he was freed for a moment when Terezi was beating him up, do you think that was the Old Gamzee talking? He spoke with his old quirk and it just seemed like he was...well....normal in that moment. And then he wasn't.....

@nerdorama009 6 лет назад

I've been thinking on that for a while now myself. There's basically two options: that he went back to his medicated state where he wasn't really aware of his surroundings but also not controlled by his destined connection to LE, or that he decided to get one last manipulative dig in to disarm his opponent. The latter is what ends up happening, so... That said, is "Old Gamzee" anything more than a drug-induced illusion? A guy trying to self-medicate away something he seems to consider an inevitable destiny when sober? Is the true Gamzee the one who's too zonked to function or the one without morals or compassion who knows his destiny is to be part of a god of death and destruction? Is this conflict the meaning behind all his duality/split personality imagery? Is there one answer, or can it be both? I don't have a clue and if oD does it's probably in another video.

@codenamejinza 6 лет назад

;__; Then I guess we wait....

@codenamejinza 6 лет назад

O.O !

@grimmcorvid5713 3 года назад

Plus that thing je said is a tactic used by many abusers to make theur victims stop fighting for themselves. So yea it is him. The fucking abuser juggallo.

@laranuke1452 2 месяца назад

can i please know the numberr of the page to that?

@winterx2348 6 лет назад

I always had the idea that Gamzee was literally mad because he's not just a character of Homestuck, but a viewer as well. He knows it's a story, and of course, stories can be flawed in their continuity sometimes. That's all fine, but...this story happens to be Gamzee's actual reality. He always believed reality made sense, and his clown god religion gave him a reason to think so. (It's like a jab at the audience that takes everything way too seriously and gets hung up on the details. You would expect a story to make sense because, while it's being told, it IS sort of your reality. Breaking your suspension of disbelief will take you out of the story/reality and make you really frustrated, won't it?) When the truth is revealed, it makes him mad that he'd been swallowing a lie this whole time, but also, now that he can see the strings puppeteering his reality thanks to influences like Doc Scratch and Lil Cal, he knows how to pull them with the same kind of power that Hussie himself has. That's why he does things that make no goddamn sense all the time, because it truly doesn't, and it doesn't matter anymore 'cause it never really mattered to begin with, because this isn't reality. That's why he's so devoted to Lord English, because (like you said) he provides a script that can be followed and make everything make sense again, and therefore, real/true. That's all Gamzee wants, even if he has to destroy literally everything to get it. You are, of course, going way more in depth than I ever did with my theory, as well as several of the people in these comments wit h theirs, proving that there is just so much to unpack from nearly all angles about Gamzee spanning the entire fucking comic that it feels like just as much of a herculean task to explain it all as it is just to read the whole thing. And he's only ONE character. Goddamnit Hussie.

@rumorcontrol7873 5 лет назад

Just like you the Reader wish to find and read The End of the comic as that is generally the Goal of reading a story the whole way through, so to do characters conduct themselves in a manner which facilitates this desire. Gamzee isn't devoted to LE because he's seeking a "script" it's because his very nature is to be the reality-defying causation against improbability meant to keep an impossible story going. Gamzee serves events in spacetime because someone has to be the oddball who passes an impossible test for no obvious reason

@asteriavlogs8312 3 года назад

@Micah Ingel Lmao if you’ve seen his instagram lately he definitely is

@celestialVocalist 6 лет назад

Gamzee is indeed a very complex character that grew from what was just a simple stoner friend into someone who turned the tides for the journeys of his friends and the narrative itself. It actually does make a lot of sense once you start connecting the dots and not just assume Gamzee is mostly doing this randomly.

@xenathcytrin202 6 лет назад

Celestial Vocalist Idk why most people settle for hussie telling us that gamzee doesnt make any sense when he has not just been known to lie, but does so often and many times unnintentionally. Hussies avatar in homestuck has been time and time again shown to be very falable and by no means either omnipotent or omnisient, so taking his word for anything, like how his only interpherance in the story would be the yellow yard, has a coin toss's chance of being true at best.

@celestialVocalist 6 лет назад

Yes, that is true. Hussie does love to screw with us.

@celestialVocalist 6 лет назад

(Also, the video currently has 413 likes :0 )

@awewi7309 6 лет назад

dear sweet precious DEAR nepeta

@xenathcytrin202 6 лет назад

Slugfin Nah, its dear, sweet, precious Deer Nepeta.

@johnryu2317 6 лет назад

Well I guess she stole some hearts

@owlismyfavouritecolorflame2325 4 года назад

When tavros got kicked by tavros I was literally shaking and crying

@johnryu2317 6 лет назад

Two things, Gamzee became the embodiment of this saying: The truth hurts. Also as a passive bard player that has some idea of the metaphysical nature of homestuck do you think he diliberatly cause rage in the readers mudding up our understanding of the story or well passively causing our rage to not see the truth having our Hero of Hope to dig through this rage for others understanding

@optimisticDuelist 6 лет назад

"Also as a passive bard player that has some idea of the metaphysical nature of homestuck do you think he diliberatly cause rage in the readers mudding up our understanding of the story" Well damn, looks like there's some prophets in the crowd. Suffice it to say, you nailed a good chunk of my viewpoint. But that's all I'll say for right now--you can wait for Part 2 to see me argue the specifics. In the meantime, feel free to speculate here--I'd be curious to see what you guys come up with.

@xenathcytrin202 6 лет назад

Tex Talks outright said this in one of his videos, so this idea has been around for a good while.

@optimisticDuelist 6 лет назад

I gotta admit, I don't always feel like I absorbed everything in Homestuck analysis, myself. It's entirely possible he made this particular argument and I didn't notice at the time, but when I started thinking about it, it felt like news to me. And I definitely think my presentation of the idea is unique, so I'm excited to see what people think of it.

@xenathcytrin202 6 лет назад

Here's the video I was talking about: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4H7m23gkAe4.html Might not say all that you will in the next video, but it likely says at least some.

@ihavekalashnikovyoudomath9275 6 лет назад

The truth come out, does Gamzee Makara is sane?

@DevdevOnYT 6 лет назад

I don't know, does he?

@lordbuss 5 лет назад

What is sanity at all?

@mckinzibrown9701 2 года назад

Thank you do much

@mageofvoid4282 6 лет назад

I was primed to go apeshit if you said anything bad about Nepeta.

@optimisticDuelist 6 лет назад

How could I besmirch the name of my own patron troll? Unthinkable blasphemy.

@chickensoup1312 6 лет назад

nepeta episode when 🤔

@compositecreature 6 лет назад

Now what kind of monster would you have to be to say anything bad about that cutie pie!

@julius9943 6 лет назад

WHAT'S-HER-FACE IS NOTHING BUT AN AMOROUS FEMALE

@centaursapocalypse7259 6 лет назад

No u.

@tobiworldwide 6 лет назад

Im hoping gamzee shows up in hiveswap. Collects his got tier outfit from the other high bloods in the next acts

@gamgamhonkboi9153 6 лет назад

well the god tier outfit is actually the canon outfit for bard except his is a imitation perhaps he saw god tier cronus who is a bard and made a rage counterpart accordingly

@xelacosplay 6 лет назад

i dont think its possible to argue objectively about whether gamzee was in control of his actions post-lil cal. hussie has deliberately muddied those waters through his manipulation by 3 different people and by his personality shifting so suddenly in response to particular stimuli (not to mention his allegorical relation to frigglish). his time in the veil without sopor, pre-cal, is the only time he is not in some way under some influence. gamzee is consistently characterized as having a lack of autonomy and personally it makes him such a tragic character, who should to some extent be analysed with sympathy.

@xenathcytrin202 6 лет назад

Well, as far as homestuck is concerned, whether you do something of your own volition or not you are still responsible for your own actions.

@compositecreature 6 лет назад

All I can say is "This"

@rumorcontrol7873 6 лет назад

Which is by and large a perfect analogy for the nature of a webcomic character who by nature is completely at the control and whim of their creator and artist. No character is ever truly in control of their actions and it's only rarely when any semblance of personal freedom is gained by them, a fictional being.

@subatomic7055 6 лет назад

i.... im not sure what happened

@grimmcorvid5713 3 года назад

Not at all. Gamzee should have ANY sympathy at all. He was aware of his doings and hus abuse towards Terezi is HEAVELY OVERLOOKED. No sympathy is to be given to someone who hit their partner and slowly made them decay. She suffered more then Gamzee.

@nerdorama009 6 лет назад

My thoughts on Gamzee before this video: -His name is Rockso. -He's a rock and roll clown. -He does cocaine. -I'm afraid that's all we know. I'm not sure how much new information I learned *exactly*, but thank you for this video as it definitely clarified a lot of things that I'd either missed our hadn't been able to sort through during the short and very dense period where we actually have a look inside Gamzee's head. I'm going to keep this video on hand as a kind of collation of our knowledge on what we loosely refer to as his psyche when discussing him from now on.

@optimisticDuelist 6 лет назад

Happy to help! Providing that kind of collation service is exactly my intent with this series.

@calexfwlch6353 6 лет назад

Before i talk about Cal, I'd like to quickly go over my idea of the role Gamzee has in the story. Gamzee is (to me, anyway) a collective subconscious for the text as a whole. He's always behind the scenes, manipulating things in ways that make sense thematically, but not necessarily plot wise. He's almost an embodiment of a dream in that way (specifically the freudian dream). the best example for this is the hammer of zillyhoo. It makes sense as to WHY Gamzee has it: its clownish, its cherubic, and its a silly item used for violent purposes. The thing is, we have no idea HOW he gets it. They are related through concept not through anything tangible. I think this is an example of Jung's synchronicities. Vis a vis Lil Cal, I don't think the puppet actually commanded Gamzee in anyway. it reads to me as more of an awakening. Gamzee was never one to shy away from expressing violent wishes (see page 2123 for a lot of that) but he never actually acts on those wishes until he is lifted from his sopor haze and meets cal. Not only that, but cal is literally part Gamzee. Though he might be influenced by the spirits inside the doll, in reality Gamzee has always had the potential to commit the acts of violence he did, it just took a motivator to unleash that from him. I really enjoyed this analysis! I hadn't even put the dots together about Caliborn's drawings relating to Gamzee's actions during 5.2. Great stuff!

@calexfwlch6353 6 лет назад

Also, I can see it being discussed in the comments, but I'd just like to reiterate that Textalks' video on Gamzee is probably the best video I've seen on the subject. It's prolific in understanding the rage aspect and especially how Gamzee uses it. And as a side note, I wonder how much Hussie actually knows about juggalo culture. As a fan (its bad music, i know, but i cant help myself) of some of their music, I know that Shaggy and J really go in depth about their religious beliefs in their lyrics, and there's a lot of overlap between the highblood cult and juggalos' idea of the Dark Carnival. I doubt it could be a coincidence. A view of Gamzee through the lens of ICP would be very interesting.

@optimisticDuelist 6 лет назад

Really interesting perspective! Bravo. While I think there are other influences that can tell us more about Gamzee than ICP *right now* (god i am excited for this next video), I do think you're quite likely right. There's a couple people in the Discord working on exploring Juggalo lore, and seeing what if any of it matches Gamzee/The Purplebloods we've been meeting in Hiveswap. Results have been promising so far. Juggalo lore is, tragically, not a feature of this specific video series. But I won't be surprised if I later put out a Part 4 to this or whatnot, as things come into sharper focus.

@blazehensen8399 6 лет назад

i think gamzee's and lil cal's relashionship is like a master and a servant, gamzee since going full on phsyco lost all his liberty and became a "puppet" of cal and in consequence all the souls inside. a puppet that is used for one purpose. bringing Lord English lo life. and only serving him.

@xenathcytrin202 6 лет назад

Blaze Hensen But you forget, or do not know, that at least half of gamzee's soul lies within lil cal, doc scratch, and lord english. Why would he use himself as a puppet? Or why would he allow himself to be controlled?

@blazehensen8399 6 лет назад

Xenath Cytrin maybe because he knows what happens when he gets used? he becomes a messiah, he gets to know the truth, his god etc. maybe he even gets puppetered (sorry if i spelled it wrong) by himself to serve LE

@optimisticDuelist 6 лет назад

I find the idea that the part of Gamzee in LE has any agency with which to choose rather doubtful, personally. The story goes out of its way to tell us Cherubs, by nature, are able to devour souls and absorb their traits/strengths into their identities. It seems pretty clear to me Caliborn is mostly in charge of LE, and Caliborn predominating over his brainmates and explains why pretty handily. I'm inclined to see Gamzee, Equius, and AR's "identities" as basically puppets LE can use as he wills, as a result. Which also explains why AR and Equius' personalities would even do anything to help LE's aims, since their last act as an individual was *against* Caliborn, a heroic sacrifice for the benefit of their friends.

@nerdorama009 6 лет назад

Lord English is definitely a composite personality and his actions seem mostly based on Caliborn's desires. But as you point out yourself, Gamzee sees his own future self, his own actual, factual, empirically proven destiny within Cal and LE as well. It's pretty clear from his dialog, specifically TC: they were always both me. :o) TC: AND ALSO MOTHERFUCKING ME. Do: that he identifies himself with Cal/Scratch/LE/that whole soul cluster in general, and that that's why he's so manipulable by it. It's another one of those loops in Homestuck - Gamzee does heinous things and abases himself to insane extents because his "future self", puppet of Caliborn or not, told him to do so to get him to that point, where he is a real and true god who always has been and always will be. Plus whatever world-as-illusion meta-realization you're putting in the next video.

@optimisticDuelist 6 лет назад

Oh, definitely. We're in complete agreement here. I'm simply unsure that the presence of Gamzee's soul/awareness/being indicates the presence of Gamzee's will, or more pressingly, Arquius'. It straight up does not make sense that Arquis would go from willful self-sacrifice for his friends to stop Caliborn to gleefully enjoying abusing trollkind as Scratch. But Caliborn would override any resistance their souls managed to put up. So while the others' souls are there, it's ultimately Caliborn as LE calling all the shots. As far as being acting agents able to influence reality of their own volition goes, Gamzee, AR and Equius are effectively dead. Or existing in some kind of nightmarish unable-to-control-your-own-mind zombie existence.

@mekafinchi 6 лет назад

How many times have you read homestuck, and how many times was it super in depth

@meowdynyall9284 4 года назад

Mechafinch Personal I just realized I don’t want to imagine ever attempting to read Homestuck in a way that’s in-depth enough to research for a video like this.

@ZealTroublemaker 6 лет назад

Thanks. No really thanks. Idk I like these videos a lot because I feel like I’m learning more about Homestuck as a comic instead of just learning about the fandom. Obviously I’ve read the comic, and enjoyed it thoroughly, but it’s been quite some time since I looked at it in depth. Your videos allow me to do so with ease! I hope some day Homestuck is regarded as a classic like Shakespeare, because when I watch your videos I get the urge to take notes on Homestuck and it’s characters and events. I know much of your content is speculation but it still feels right to try to keep track of it all, like I’m being taught in class. Thank you.

@daphne7780 3 года назад

(TW) Gamzee is my favorite character and it makes me so sad that the epilouges were just like: "remember how we gave him all this story and motives? WERE GONNA THROW THAT OUT THE WINDOW AND MAKE HIM A CHILD MOLESTER!!!!"

@Aliceumbrella8 2 года назад

a WHAT

@KoenSkySea Год назад

TheY DID NOT

@notarealspy4090 6 лет назад

I was in the middle of Making a fanfic jeez man

@hawkfeather5408 6 лет назад

*not a real spy* keep writing it :U with this knowledge you now have, you can make it deeper

@notarealspy4090 6 лет назад

Yes it's a homestuck fic But it's not gonna be as accurate as homestuck itself and it will have an entirely new cast of characters (with some old characters returning) And unlike the original story it's gonna be...very different

@notarealspy4090 6 лет назад

Maybe I'll make updates as optimistic uploads vids and post them there

@notarealspy4090 6 лет назад

Part 1 out now my.w.tt/di4NciTLJM Hopefully link works

@ThomasG_ 5 лет назад

4:50 Vriska killed Tavros, so that's yet another case of her being instrumental in the creation of a main Villain

@graceyang9022 6 лет назад

Me: *learns that Gamzee is the reason why all the Beta kids are a little messed up* *frustrated* *learns that Gamzee is responsible for breaking John's self-esteem* *fucking infuriated*

$@Fragmentsinfractals488$

@Fragmentsinfractals488 3 года назад

He also created Bec Noir and the Red Miles. Yay......

@mindeater9807 6 лет назад

i took the extended zodiac test and i got true capricorn, prospit dreamer, and rage aspect AM I DEAD YET??

@Kalesoup_ 5 лет назад

Yes, you are

@kilimanjaro230 5 лет назад

Gamzee: *believes in a weird insaneclownposse inspired cult* Tiktok: _I'm about to end this man's whole career_

@Sleepy-yp4wx 4 года назад

So you're telling me that if Vriska didn't off Tavros Gamzee wouldn't be listening to lil cal? Oh my God... Doc Scratch DID play her like a fiddle!

@keaton5101 6 лет назад

yknow, its been years since i read homestuck, and its occurring to me just... how much i really, really don't understand, like, _at all_

@ColonelSnivy 6 лет назад

god damn i just had an existential crisis

@lazyspade1559 6 лет назад

Same

@xenathcytrin202 6 лет назад

Yeah, if you arent having one of those about every two weeks you are doing something wrong. In most states you can ask your doctor to write you a prescription for crisis supliments if you arent getting your recommended monthly dosage.

@remjoleea5560 6 лет назад

Oof I had chills this entire video.....

@evanredacted7977 6 лет назад

I forgot how stupidly complicated le's creation was

@dio8451 6 лет назад

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@moomooshico2178 5 лет назад

Woah bro

@mimisaur5000 4 года назад

gamzee best girl 2k19

@poprocks6576 4 года назад

Did you type that by hand or copy paste? But either way my god

@somegirl4260 6 лет назад

I'd like to think that since only half of gamzee got succed into cal, there's a half gamzee soul out there in the dream bubbles, free of the violence of his other half.

@Caldoric 2 месяца назад

This is true...!

@hewholaughsevenifitsnotfun8602 5 лет назад

Gamzee Makara was possessed by little cal the moment he stared into the eyes of the Juju

@EmpyreanVampires 6 лет назад

This would have been the perfect time to talk about the personalities of the destroyer classes! Princes and Bards destroy their aspect, and with it, but it runs deeper than that. You have in the past, suggested that the class descriptions can also be applied to the behavior of the characters themselves; Princes and Bards are unique in this, becoming partially unbound from their aspects by their class, and pushed towards their opposing aspect, personality-wise, though they retain some influences of their true aspect, to some degree. They destroy their aspect in themselves and their lives, if they aren't careful. This is present in all Princes to varying degrees of severity. First, consider the earliest example of a Prince in Homestuck: Bro Strider, Pre-scratch. Cold, physically and emotionally distant, psychologically and physically abusive, with the most warped idea of parenting Hussie could depict without pushing the limits of decency; Pre-Scratch Dirk is deeply disturbed and probably breaking a shit load of laws he doesn't care about, and for all who can see, is one SOULLESS bastard, doing his damnedest to crush Dave's under his heel. Truly, a Prince of Heart. Eridan is a genocidal warmonger, barely tolerated by all of his friends, raised under the idea that he is superior to basically all of them. Arrogant and narcissistic, he is extremely out of touch with even those people who he's supposed to care about. Hateful, violent, vindictive, and filled with an unquenchable RAGE, he's about as far from "Hopeful" as anyone could describe. Even after coming to understand hope, to some degree, he could never see it as more than a means to an end, using the light of the angels to destroy, with devastating results, wearing the disdainful scowl to his last breath. Before embracing Rage wholeheartedly, Gamzee was about as far from anger as is possible. Spacey, constantly high, with strong faith in his interpretation of his religion. Too blazed to hurt anyone or anything, or to think of how he'd been abandoned by his Lusus, FOOLING himself into believing that he'd come back, eventually. He kept himself chained to his Sopor, his salvation, to keep the truth of his lonely, empty life at bay. He never embraced hope, so much as tried to be hopeful; but in the end, that delirious phantasm was BOUND to BR8K. And post-scratch Dirk is the best example of all; textbook heartbreaker. Smoking hot, only living dude on planet earth? Gay. X Roxy. Claimed the only other eligible bachelor in their friend group? Blue girl crushed on him. X Roxy, X Jane. And then, relationship problems tear them apart; X Roxy, X Jane, X Jake, STRIKEOUT!!! But seriously, with his cold, calculated personality, rather conniving attitude, extreme technology aptitude so complete he actually duplicated his own brain and turned it into a supercomputer, he comes off much more MINDFUL than SOULFUL. But this ignores his character development, in which we see him overcoming his destructive tendencies to embrace his aspect, just as Gamzee did, to a much more positively productive degree. I could discuss The Grand Highblood, Dualscar, Kurloz, and Cronus, but there's much less characterization for all of them, so there's much more guesswork and analysis of small bits of information that would go into it.

@KingOpenReview 6 лет назад

Moral of the story: If a rage player on your team goes through something upseting, starts doing math, then comes to some "truth", skip town.

@WhiteAquarian 6 лет назад

SKRUB here, well done video as always. I really like how you noticed that gamzee attacked the female characters during horrorstuck in the same way that Caliborn dismissed them. I wonder if there is a frame where caliborn hurts a horse, signifying the culling of equius? Textalks last theory video was on how Rages pure Form was the Contrivance found within stories, and that really matches with what you've said here, as well as what's in the story. If Rage is Contrivance, I have said Hope is the Suspension of Disbelief, and that perfectly describes gamzee at the beginning of their session. He believes in miracles, that everything is great, that he will make a beautiful world, he is destroying his own Rage. Then, Dave shows him the joke that his religion becomes in the world he makes, and so he has rage. What pottery.

@monochromedream-eatingbaku 5 лет назад

Wait, stupid question: How come the purple bloods can murder violet bloods? There is violet blood on Grand HIghblood's walls but violet bloods are higher on the hemospectrum, so that should technically prohibit the clowns from murdering them.

$@Fragmentsinfractals488$

@Fragmentsinfractals488 3 года назад

Clowns are Doc Scratch's minion, so I think they get exception.

@polaag91 6 лет назад

:D!!!!!! A multi part video???? On my favourite piece of garbage!!!!!! I'M SO HAPPY!!!!!!!

@arcadia_758 6 лет назад

Gamzee has always been one of my favorite characters. This video makes me love him more. This is very thought through well. Nice job.

@WithASock 6 лет назад

youre videos are so insightful. even when youre taking information i know, and concepts i thought i had already worked out in this comic, you have such a way of presenting it that makes it new. every video has a perspective that i couldnt even conceive

@blank_estel3671 6 лет назад

Welp, I just got sucked back into this fandom.

@The_Endless_Now 6 лет назад

This is really good stuff.

@SpookyGhostpeppers 6 лет назад

I came here as SOON as I saw the notification! Cant wait to see more my good sir, keep on creating! --The Page of Space

@dappershinx9234 6 лет назад

"I came as fast as I could"

@yourconscience1986 6 лет назад

Im hooked in for the next part! Cant wait!!

@Djoodibooti 6 лет назад

OH. SO THAT'S WHY BRO WAS LIKE THAT.

@nerdorama009 6 лет назад

Dave pitches it as a theory in-comic and I believe that's part of it, although it's worth noting that the entirely un-mentally-influenced Dirk Strider does a lot of the same insane bullshit that Bro does and is just more self-aware and pulls back from it before he hurts his friends as badly as Bro hurt Dave.

@optimisticDuelist 6 лет назад

I usually don't want to just make my points on later parts of the comic without being able to put in the time and effort to back them up, buuut coming to Dirk's defense is basically what started the descent into madness that is this youtube channel, and I'd say a good half of my *written* Homestuck analysis work heavily concerns Dirk in particular, so I should at least say: My personal view of Dirk is considerably more favorable than this. Dirk has a lot of the same violent/controlling *impulses* Bro and AR display, but Dirk himself actively resists those impulses for his entire narrative, choosing instead to devote himself to a stoic emulation of his brother and service to his friends. Dirk screws up in that endeavor, but his failure mostly manifests as him passively letting his friend's varying levels of ignorant cruelty go by unchallenged and bottling up his emotions. I'm inclined to suggest you're conflating Dirk's behavior with Lil Hal/AR, who does absolutely commit a lot of the same behavior. But then, consider what I just said. Dirk reaches for his better angels by leaning on his image of his Bro, but he reaches those heights only through the affection and camaraderie his friends provide him with. AR is a version of Dirk frozen at 13, ramped into cyber-omnsicience, cut off from physical existence, and set irrevocably apart from his group of friends. Including Jake, who Dirk already had feelings for by 13. So he does imitate Bro to some extent, but there's a tragic tinge to the immature violence AR proves capable of. Because he doesn't really have the emotional support necessary to deal with his emotions over his state of existence, and unlike Caliborn, he didn't have a *choice* about his state of existence. Evil in Homestuck generally has this connotation of twisted immaturity masquerading as self-control/adulthood, but it matters to me that to varying degrees, AR, Gamzee and Equius are presented as not having *chosen* that immaturity, in contrast to Caliborn, who willfully imposes it on himself by killing Calliope. I'd suggest checking out my Medium account or Patreon page if you'd like to find my sources backing up this view, but I'm sure it'll surface in video form as soon as I'm physically able to get us there. Hope this wall of text was interesting regardless.

@nerdorama009 6 лет назад

Well, I'll admit I was playing fast and loose a bit there since Bro and Dirk and AR weren't the topic of this particular video, but I'm kind of glad I did because we all got a free bonus helping of nice character analysis and a pattern I'd noticed with a number of different characters who have prominent "alternate selves" - two characters, or three major ones in the case of Dirk, can be "the same guy" in identity (Heart), but become very different through choices and circumstances (Mind). We see the same divergence between the other Beta Guardians and the Alpha Kids, between Dave and Davesprite, between (Vriska) and Vriska, Meenah and the Condesce, etc. etc. There's definitely a theme going on here about how choice affects you just as much as nature does, and Bro, Dirk, and AR's highly divergent choices absolutely differentiate them as characters. That's what I meant by calling Dirk more self-aware and choosing to resist his natural impulses that could harm his friends. AR doesn't do that to the same extent, but it's understandable due to circumstances that AR explains at length, and at least he has Dirk as a shoulder angel in the same way that Dirk has AR as a shoulder devil, so to speak. All Bro had was the fully primed Lil Cal and yeah that's an obvious problem, but perhaps not as much as the fact that he didn't have anyone *else*. Man I hope he comes up in Hauntswitch somehow so we can see what was actually going on with him.

@optimisticDuelist 6 лет назад

Yup yup yup yup! That central theme concerning the division of Nature and Choice is basically the central conflict of the Heart/Mind dichotomy. Compare **Dirk's** perspective on his relationship to his alt-selves: DIRK: All splinters of me are basically me, no matter how much I want to resist that truth. DIRK: Or pretend they aren't reflecting my own qualities back at me. DIRK: I bear a certain responsibility for all of them. To **Terezi's** view on the exact same subject: TEREZI: WH4T 1F 1T TURNS OUT 1'M NOT 4CTU4LLY TH4T... TEREZI: GOOD? VRISKA: 8ut you already proved that you are! VRISKA: Another version of you 8asically saved us all, remem8er? TEREZI: 1 KNOW, BUT TEREZI: TH4T W4S 4 D1FF3R3NT M3 TEREZI: WHO W3NT THROUGH SOM3 TH1NGS 1 N3V3R W3NT THROUGH, 4ND PROB4BLY F1GUR3D OUT HOW TO B3 4W3SOM3 4ND H3RO1C 4LONG TH3 W4Y TEREZI: 1 N3V3R D1D 4NY OF TH4T, 4ND 1 C3RT41NLY DON'T F33L 4W3SOM3 4ND H3RO1C Y3T Dirk condemns himself by conflating himself with his splinters. Terezi condemns herself by setting herself apart from hers. Both interpret that perspective in the most negative way possible as a reference for their own inner worth and value as people. Basically, Dirk and Terezi should really get drunk together or something. Also if I hear people talking about Dirk's "parallels" with Vriska when his parallels with Terezi are right there I'm going to lose my mind. Also we probably will see Bro in Hauntswitch to some extent, I think. Just a feeling, though.

@nerdorama009 6 лет назад

Yep. Entirely. A lot of different people have similar stories but Dirk abd Terezi are the most direct reflections of the theme. Vriska is also on thjs spectrum by the end and has a couple of *other* comparisons to Dirk (a life built around emulating a famous Ancestor for Alpha Dirk and her relationship with Tavros for AR and Bro), but unsurprisingly the major Heart player and major Mind player give us the two contrasting viewpoints on this specific subject.

@syweb2 6 лет назад

I thought, from the title, that this would be a Gamzee Apologist-type video. I never realized that people thought that Gamzee was written strangely, or that they thought he didn't make sense. Well, thanks for educating me!

@compositecreature 6 лет назад

Gamzee and Lil Cal's relationship makes me think of the horcruxes in Harry Potter. I don't think I have anything of value to say on it, honestly, it's obviously unhealthy, even if Gamzee did create him and welcome his influence with open arms.

@y1000ablet 6 лет назад

You make some great researches, I love your videos, please do keep them coming!

@kitkatmuffin 6 лет назад

>Has sudden revelation< *GAMZEE SHIPS DAVEKAT*

@felixthelemon978 6 лет назад

oh herro dere

@kitkatmuffin 6 лет назад

Jess heta Yes hello Hetalia

@graygower7844 6 лет назад

ROTTED LITTLE HOLES IN ALL MY FLAWS, i and also i will be your gods :o) (Phemiec is a great songwriter.)

@yamibakura8597 6 лет назад

"It was always, and also, me." It all makes sense now.

$@Fragmentsinfractals488$

@Fragmentsinfractals488 3 года назад

Also, Gamzee raised Caliborn, so it is him through influencing Caliborn. Caliborn becomes the God of Clown, Lord English. His essence is also in Doc Scratch, who has read Homestuck, and, therefore,set up Gamzee's birth with his "omniscience".

@dailyralsei 6 лет назад

thank you for this now i must watch a bunch of sadstuck gamzee videos to seal the deal

@voiceoftheparanoid 6 лет назад

Man, this is probably the most recent Homestuck thing I've seen in so long. Good video btw.

@shadokwastaken 6 лет назад

amazing video, as usual

@isitcake8675 5 лет назад

“This is most likely why Gamzee’s complaining about Vriska in the post retcon time line.” Me: wait, were you saying something? Sorry, I was distracted by what looks like to be Crotuna in the back, can you repeat that?

@peefrosty18 6 лет назад

I was just contemplating about this!! I was going to make a post too but you beat me too it lol I loved your explanation though! Very good!

@kronus1882 6 лет назад

U HAVE PICKED MY INTEREST.

@xenathcytrin202 6 лет назад

angel armas Dang, I didnt know that mining figuirative constructs was something that could be done, must have been a pretty good pick.

@Slime_2000 6 лет назад

Xenath Cytrin beat me to the sass comment

@Sleepy12ftPanda 3 года назад

Maybe Gamzee fell in love with Tavros in the first place because he subconsciously wanted to escape the horrible revelation of his tyrannical gods. After all it did take a hero of Breath to defy the Alpha timeline.

@cocothedino_2901 6 лет назад

I almost forgot how confusing homestuck is thanks dude

@NinjaKIngAce 5 лет назад

I never thought Gamzee made no sense, (or that he was a bad character,) more so that he was working on a logic that only he understood. (Also I hated him, and wanted him to die)

@-hyphen-21 6 лет назад

Good video as always. Good work, dude

@dAWhiteBAG 6 лет назад

Holy shit, that's a great video! Nice job!

@rix6831 6 лет назад

Now that's a good cliffhanger. Well-played.

@JunebugGaming 6 лет назад

This video is about to blow up, I saw it in my recommended.

@lunethemooncat6355 6 лет назад

Gamzee has always been a character that I didn't understand so thank you for uploading this video as I now understand him much better.

@chaosxenkon 4 года назад

i like how in his early version, he fits the bard of rage concept's more passive version. he allows his own rage to be destroyed through his addiction.

@sirentyper4457 6 лет назад

The fact this was posted three days ago,, I just cried, fuck my adrenaline is surging from seeing this post

@EBThisThat 6 лет назад

I tip my hat to you honestly. This is extremely impressive. I had always felt bad for Gamzee even though his less desirable qualities scared me. In essence, however, it shows us all as humans the depths of our own depravity. The fact that Hussie explores this and so much more in Homestuck is revolutionary and why I like it so much (and oddly enough I'm Protestant but not 'religious', I'm more spiritual).

@friedchickenUSA 4 года назад

2:13 ah my compuper lock screen, nice

@Mt-tu2iw 6 лет назад

Goddammit, I missed this content

@Audamix80 6 лет назад

OH SHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

@sussy3778 6 лет назад

Gamzee is my favorite troll

@The_Endless_Now 6 лет назад

GA: [Tactical Omission] you then.

@sussy3778 6 лет назад

@komicalkosmos34 6 лет назад

meu tbm a

@mageofvoid4282 6 лет назад

HISSSSSSS

@sussy3778 6 лет назад

sim

@maidoflight5834 6 лет назад

Damn i need a part TWO

@sav3849 6 лет назад

Well I'll be damned

@riva7223 6 лет назад

Hi!!!, i'm New in this chanell and i speak in spanish. Can I ask is you can put spanish subtitules in your videos. Well, thats all, bye and thanks :oD

@optimisticDuelist 6 лет назад

Me encantaria poner subtitulos en todos los videos, y varios videos tienen subtitulos en Español gracias a amistades. Por ahora se me hace dificil garantizar que todos los videos tengan subtitulos, ya que el tiempo que puedo poner en hacer subtitulos es tiempo que puedo poner haciendo mas videos, y no he llegado a un punto donde puedo hacer videos lo suficientemente rapido como para sacar dos videos al mes si añado esa cantidad de trabajo. Mis videos estan abiertos para que la comunidad entre sus propios subtitulos si quieren hacerlo, y aprecio esa clase de trabajo mucho porque por ahora es la unica forma que puedo tenerlos. Mientras el canal y my plataforma crezcan, me gustaria hacerlo yo mismo, por lo menos con español ya que yo hablo y escribo el idioma. En mis grandes fantasias, consigo los recursos y el tiempo para poder grabar el audio de los videos en español tambien, ya que siento que Homestuck seria muy interesante a muchos fans en el mundo latino. Espero que entienda mi situacion. Por ahora ofrezco mis disculpas de no poder cumplir del todo con su pedida, pero si este proyecto creze como anhelo, algun dia estare muy feliz al poder hacerlo.

@riva7223 6 лет назад

Muchas gracias igualmente, y les deseo lo mejor para el canal :o)

@gamgamhonkboi9153 6 лет назад

Que en tarnacion otro homestuck que abla espaniol

@riva7223 6 лет назад

GamGam Honkboi perdon amigo, pero lamento informarte que a pesar de mis esfuerzos no entendi este comentario :o(, podrías ser un poco mas claro porfavor? Se te agradece :oD

@gamgamhonkboi9153 6 лет назад

es como decir que carajo

@mekafinchi 6 лет назад

If you ever do more theorizing type videos, I’d like to see something on if kids who’ve played a sburb session can play again, and how it would go with the prior knowledge and god tier abilities they have

@NeP516 6 лет назад

Alex P They would just 1:Make a death session and live there 2:Atack derse king with their god tiers powers on the first hour 3:Anything else, really

@sighmon5640 Год назад

4:59 that kinda tracks though, as, if doomed timelines are ones which cannot meet the terms for their own creation, they're ones which cannot produce lord english.

@paulgettle4969 6 лет назад

The pesterog quote at 2:08 goes with the scene at 5:55. (Or really 3 pages past that in the story - 3447 to be exact).

@pasteldreamer 6 лет назад

These videos make me excited about Homestuck again

@Final_unicorn 6 лет назад

I loved this. Not many people go this far in depth with Gamzee's character and it often makes me sad how much he is looked over. I do though, feel a quite a bit of sympathy for him, a clowns gotta do what a clowns gotta do. Of course, I have my own little theories as well, but everything you've said ties together quite well and even mixes with my own theory about gamzee sorta causing everything- its goes pretty far in.

@severalcakes3267 Год назад

“God exists, God is evil, and I am God.” It’s very similar to the realisation Dirk comes to when confronted with his Ultimate Self in Pesterquest.

@raulendymion9917 6 лет назад

tHiS iS sO mOtHeRfUcKiNg GoOd ! ! ! :o)

@FadedforFreedom 6 лет назад

Aside from my brain fucking MELTING, i love your Utena icon

@optimisticDuelist 6 лет назад

utena tenjou for president. thanks

@optimisticDuelist 6 лет назад

actually i'm redacting this position. Anthy himemiya for president, utena as world's best bodyguard

@FadedforFreedom 6 лет назад

Utena runs 2020 brings revolution to the world. im maybe adoring your channel more and more with each video i watch. You hit way too many of my favorite subjects. thank you so much for sharing!!

@dr.nosborn5416 6 лет назад

great video men, i dont really love gamzee, but this video explains a lot of things about him.

@obliviousranga 6 лет назад

God this is fantastic

@TammiLyn39 4 года назад

You say that he was able to use his relationship with Terezi to take down her gaurd 7:18 But I always saw that as him breaking through the madness for once, his quirk changes, and even his eyes go back to their normal yellow color for a moment. It’s also seen that when Kanaya cuts him in half, one side looks distraught and sad. He’s still in there somewhere, at least that’s what I think.

@grimmcorvid5713 3 года назад

Not true. Please please stop victimizing him. This is not fun anymore. What you saw there is A TACTIC USED BY ABUSERS TO STOP THEIR VICTIMS FROM FIGHTING Textbook abuse. He had no remourse and he knew he was hurting her She was correct to attack him. Some of you guys have no idea to begin with just how horridly he hurt her. You have no idea how it feels to be put to the VERY low.

@nyunyu7609 Год назад

@@grimmcorvid5713 we dont know

@vaiyt 5 лет назад

In our material world, an attachment to concrete and demonstrable truth is a good thing, but in Paradox Space where thought shapes the world, it'll just blind you to possibility and constrain your reality.

@ScratchedSpeed 8 месяцев назад

Personally, I like to think that Gamze and Bro are both under mind-controll, whereas Union Jack is outright possesed. Bro is consistantly awful because life under Cal is all he's ever known, but Gamzee is able to get brief moments to himself due to his preexisting concious. Karkat's pale advances calm him down, and later in Game Over the intense pain he's in from Terezi's attacks break him free (though for only a moment.) "Terezi, please stop, you're motherf*cking hurting me" is the only time post-Cal that Gamzee talks LiKe ThIs. It was the real him trying to reach out one last time.

@juanpablorobayo9891 5 лет назад

GamTav, the precious holy ship that should have been

@rumorcontrol7873 6 лет назад

Gamzee Makara is Kanye West "Homestuck isn't real" EXACTLY!!! None of the characters in it exist nor have they ever done so beyond the scope of them being comics and ideas in the heads of it's readers! Everyone always forgets this fact when talking about a comic which started of by violating the 4th wall itself by having reader-submitted prompts, but every concern we've ever had about a character or their personal state has been under the assumption that they were ever in danger in the first place!

@Avabees Год назад

Calling the signs with inspiration from dionysis *monogamous* is uniquely funny lol

@McBehrer 6 лет назад

1:20 PRIME BGM selection there!

@Brodysseus113 6 лет назад

Did I have anything to do with inspiring this video? You did it way better than I could have

@JizzEnjoyer Год назад

gamzees charater makes me cry, i love him, hussie... why?

@antitheist3206 6 лет назад

Glad to be learning a bit more about my fellow rage player.

@sofiac.7585 6 лет назад

Great video

@hawkfeather5408 6 лет назад

Well, with all of the fourth wall breaking someone was BOUND to take a peek beyond it. Pun not intended oop

@RollyPollyPal 6 лет назад

A Gamzee video? OH YES!

@saccharinesilk 6 лет назад

wait is your name and icon a revolutionary girl utena reference? that's like, sooo cool

@optimisticDuelist 6 лет назад

The intro sequence music is from Utena! It's Nemuro Hall.

@saccharinesilk 6 лет назад

OH YEAH SHIT HOW DID I NOT NOTICE

@optimisticDuelist 6 лет назад

;o)

@lumeowsity 4 года назад

im a gamzee kinnie so im excited for this hehe

@paradiznik3892 6 лет назад

this shit is blowing my mind, I made the stupid mistake of skipping a large chunk of homestuck (mainly all of Caliborn's acts) because I didnt see the useless rambling as any part of the story but the number one rule of homestuck is "pay attention to every detail no matter how bullshit or zany" I curse myself for not reading through every bit I bet I would have connected the dots sooner.