HUGE Chaos Space Marines Codex Reveals - Detachment Rules and More!

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Let's take a look through some initial impressions of the legions, with all the info GW has given us so far from Codex Chaos Marines...
Chaos Marines Article here - www.warhammer-community.com/2...
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0:00 Intro
0:42 Detachment List
2:58 Deceptors
5:08 Renegade Raiders
7:00 Chaos Cult
11:17 Veterans of the Long War
14:23 Fellhammer Siege Host
15:20 Dread Talons
17:43 Pactbound Zealots
19:41 Soulforged Warpack
20:20 Initial Impressions
21:40 Outro

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@auspextactics 24 дня назад

CORRECTION: Sorry it literally says on the rule that you can't do desperate pacts if you've arrived from reserves, so no using it for 7" reserve charges as I was thinking!

@grayw00f 24 дня назад

might want to pin this one

@aearroyo 24 дня назад

Related Q: on the Desperate Devotion card it seems to say that if you make the pact you get +2 move AND +2 charge for the phase, but you discuss it as an either/or choice. Am I wrong?

@captaincoolbreeze9429 24 дня назад

@@aearroyo I think that has to do with the fact that there are two different phases that the rule interacts with, the movement phase and the charge phase.

@StaplesofDoom 24 дня назад

I swear to fuck there are two teams doing codices. One gives us diarrhea like AdMech and Custodes and the other gives Orks, Necrons and CSM...

@keyanklupacs6333 24 дня назад

CSM W!

@piotrjeske4599 24 дня назад

,ust feel bad to be a custodes, Ad Mecha or DA player

@effindave6909 24 дня назад

I'm not super excited for this codex tbh. The rules are themetic for sure but there wasn't anything that jumps out as "good" like the orkz or necrons.

@StaplesofDoom 24 дня назад

@@effindave6909 I'm looking forward to putting 90 models 9" away from deployment in a game haha

@SarajevoKyoto 24 дня назад

And they get 8 full detachments themed around specific units. As a T'au player I'm immensely jealous.

@PVT900 24 дня назад

60 cultists and 30 legionnaires with infiltrator is going to be a fun meme to do.

@SafetyBriefer 24 дня назад

'Let the Galaxy Burn' - makes flamers better. How did we not see this coming?

@abethegm 24 дня назад

Too much fire in our faces?

@vxicepickxv 24 дня назад

Too much smoke in our eyes on account of the galaxy being on fire.

@CaPshenanagains125 24 дня назад

It actually makes the disco lords flamer worse 😂😂

@Imaheretic_ 24 дня назад

Shit stratagem. Seems they want people to buy the new cultist model and 10 man termie box. Barely any synergy with the armies datasheets lol

@liveanotheranime3526 24 дня назад

Of course, poor Vashtorr. Here’s to hoping the detachment gets some good and fun rules! Lord Discordant, Vashtorr and Heldrake are my top hopes for improvements.

@petermccall1185 24 дня назад

I've given up on the heldrake ever being more than a badass model but man I miss my Disco Lord

@ElGrompho666 24 дня назад

Heldrake very likely won't, but here's hoping the Disco Lord gets good again and Vashtorr....just gets good for the first time ever. Such nice models.

@petermccall1185 24 дня назад

@@ElGrompho666 Seriously! I run Tau and CSM and I got two badass models with disappointing rules

@jeremiegartner464 24 дня назад

That torrent weapon cp can make all of these super scary up close

@petermccall1185 24 дня назад

@@jeremiegartner464 that strat does look awesome, too bad it doesn't apply to overwatch

@storyteller6216 24 дня назад

WOOOOO RED CORSAIRS ARE SO BACK BABY! WE ARENT FORGOTTEN

@scrubgrunt5105 24 дня назад

now we only need a updated Huron model!

@chasechristensen7617 24 дня назад

Wait who are they?

@al-mungus677 24 дня назад

@@chasechristensen7617Like the word bearers but lame

@alphaomega938 24 дня назад

Primaris be like hunh? *drools

@storyteller6216 24 дня назад

@@chasechristensen7617 space pirate warbands made up of renegades and old war veterans

@friendlyneighbourhoodsunwheel 24 дня назад

I like the enhancement for the dread talons to just up and leave and come back in reserves.

@chickenduckdog7281 24 дня назад

Reminds me of Bleeding Eyes

@friendlyneighbourhoodsunwheel 24 дня назад

@@chickenduckdog7281 Soar!

@pixelturtle1779 24 дня назад

I don't care if they're good or not, I just love the additional character/individuality each detachment adds. So far, it seems like a benchmark for all future codices

@jakebissell7930 24 дня назад

Really hope there’s more to the Iron Warriors with this new codex. My buddy is a diehard fan of this particular legion.

@adrumm03able 23 дня назад

It will probably be very similar to the space marine anvil siege force detachment.

@monkeyhammer 24 дня назад

I do like the idea of having a couple of alpha legion cultist units themed up to look like imperials infiltrating into the mid board.

@dragonzbreath2353 24 дня назад

Thats a great idea! I’ll totally steal that

@Sgt.Dornan 24 дня назад

I have like 60 cadians from my imperial guard army that will be saying "hydra dominatis" for at least a couple months.

@TheCoincidence 24 дня назад

AL have historically employed mortals as Operatives, would make for a fluffy kitbashing project.

@NecroGoblin-yl2fx 24 дня назад

hope vashtorr really gets a glow up as he is just not strong enough. in the lore he even goes up vs Bel'akor and keeps up with him.

@emax-1309 24 дня назад

Raiders looking like my favourite. My CSM are Pirate themed.

@TheSilentGreek 24 дня назад

Would be cool if the Damned keyword was similar to the Broodbrothers one. Bring in some limited Guard vehicles to make things more interesting

@captaincoolbreeze9429 24 дня назад

Some Leman Russ tanks and chimeras to respectively support and transport some traitor guardsmen would be interesting to see.

@ElGrompho666 24 дня назад

@@captaincoolbreeze9429 I mean, it could also happen that only Cultists, the Dark Apostle and Dark Commune get the Damned keyword and the detachment ends up being as unplayable as the Null Maiden detachment for Custodes. Then again, even the scattered rules here seem more thought through than what Custodes got.

@davidwarburton-burley9967 24 дня назад

Woot Looking forward to seeing the details for Word Bearer Detachment

@humbertoharo6840 24 дня назад

Its the index detachment.

@davidwarburton-burley9967 24 дня назад

@humbertoharo6840 Which I'm quite happy with since I like that mechanism but presumably there will be some tweaks

@boydy3542 24 дня назад

Im also a Word bearers player and dearly hope that it gives some benefit to daemonkin units as that is our whole thing

@Imaheretic_ 24 дня назад

I'm praying they won't leave it as is, would be incredibly lazy. Possessed, Dark Apostle, Master of Possession, Accursed Cultist etc really need some extra flavour in order for it to be a Word Bearer detatchment. I don't have much hope for it though, I wish I started playing and collecting my Word Bearers in 9th..

@CMTechnica 24 дня назад

It’s the index

@ca11rl77 24 дня назад

Thats it. Im turning to chaos.

@RvBnerd618 24 дня назад

Welcome to the faction of renegades, heretics, losers, and daemonic sickos. I'm sure you'll find your warband to vibe with.

@Desm0708 24 дня назад

I wanted to imagine my homebrew salamander successor chapter as a renegade chapter so I guess the renegade detachment rule being so similar is a sign from GW

@matthieujosse7483 24 дня назад

Regarding the Chaos Goad enhancement -> if you give it to a Dark apostle, in has much in as he can choose kill one of his little followers, the +1 Strength could apply pretty much on demand! !

@dovahfett5919 24 дня назад

That typo in the article made me think the Alpha Legion one you can choose between the two leaving your opponent not knowing which you're using until deployment

@nightmagnus7595 24 дня назад

16:17 At a recent tournament, I was explicitly told that units which start on the table can be brought in from reserves if they go into it, turn 1 (in most instances, round 1 Turn 2). Works that way with chaos bikers and allarus.

@EggmovieX 24 дня назад

Only works if you have deepstrike, chaos bikers can't do it since they come in from strat reserve.

@brotherhao4225 24 дня назад

Let the galaxy burn + Plague Marines = profit; 2 plague spewers, 2 plague belchers + all the other stuff

@maxchapuis6256 24 дня назад

Nicely seen

@saddonkey4499 24 дня назад

Desperate Devotion excludes units that arrived from Reserves that turn.

@auspextactics 24 дня назад

Ah yes, so it does. I guess they thought that one through! Will post a pinned correction above. Thanks for the heads up!

@NornQueenKya 24 дня назад

Blood for the blood god!!!

@devunblack7925 24 дня назад

Skulls for the skull throne!

@reptile9512 24 дня назад

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

@joshuasutherland6692 24 дня назад

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

@basteala525 24 дня назад

When life in the Imperium is hell, why wouldn't they fall to Chaos?

@toomaskotkas4467 24 дня назад

If Imperium is falling for woke agenda, the Chaos looks mighty reasonable.

@TheBoardProgrammer 24 дня назад

A lot of the detachments look like they are going to have good table control. Might be a problem to fight against.

@elpokitolama 24 дня назад

Renegade raiders straight up have a massively improved admech army rule, this is going to be massively powerful

@duelisticnature6901 24 дня назад

@@elpokitolama As an Admech player I'm fuming at GW. I'm not against factions gaining detatchments which are copies of the army rule of others (greyknights and hypercrypt necrons). I am super pissed that Admech has to deal with TONS of restrictions while the detatchment faction doesn't. In this scenario being: 1. ALL heretic astartes units (100% of csm roster) vs 70% of the entire admech roster being affected, because techpriests don't have the factionkeyword. 2. The -1 AP being way more useful on obj markers vs deployment zone past turn 1. 3. That the -1ap works on both shooting and melee (AN attack) instead of just ranged attacks in admechs case. Leaving our melee options in the red Martian dust.

@maugetar9340 24 дня назад

The detachment list sounds intersting - looking forward to it :).

@PostProteusKitten 24 дня назад

Hmmmm.... a full Land Raider that can scout move and has assault. Spicy.

@maxchapuis6256 24 дня назад

Glad to have seen your comment dude. 😂

@PostProteusKitten 24 дня назад

@@maxchapuis6256 Hmm?

@maxchapuis6256 24 дня назад

@@PostProteusKitten 'cause it's a very nice thought.

@aceflashheart 24 дня назад

8 Detachments is quite a lot... expect at least one to be overpowered.

@maximebherer8405 24 дня назад

And custodes with their "4" ...

@598019001 24 дня назад

@@maximebherer8405 And the T'au, This is so silly.

@whitewall2253 24 дня назад

6 should be the minimum, I'd you can come up with more that's OK but 6 should be the minimum.

@basteala525 24 дня назад

I mean space marines have 7 and none of them are STUPID good.

@Swampert919 24 дня назад

@@whitewall2253tau could probably get up to 6 (though their current ones are so general they could get overshadowed immediately) but custodes don’t have enough variety in their playstyles and units to justify more detachments (they realistically don’t even have enough variety for 4, sisters had to pick up the slack despite not functioning as an army themselves).

@WhiteLusterChaos 24 дня назад

Not sure if it's just me, but the Alpha Legion detachment seem nuts to me, if you run 3 Mobs and 3 Legionaries blobs you can set up a wall that if played properly against any army that doesnt have high mobility can just lock them for 2 turns via move blocking, i can see this being very irritating

@bananaboy2373 24 дня назад

IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT

@kingoglow2186 24 дня назад

Re Talons, since the since Talons is at the end of your opponents turn, I don't think this would apply. Found in the Rules Commentary: Arriving from Strategic Reserves in the First Battle Round: Abilities that allow units to be set up in the Reinforcements step of your first, second or third Movement phase using the Strategic Reserves rules treat the current battle round number as being one higher than it actually is in the first battle round only, unless explicitly stated otherwise.

@paulkerr7320 24 дня назад

It says in the rule that you cant use desperate pacts out of reserve. That includes "Deep Strike"...

@Blackrage916 24 дня назад

I am working on Nigh lords as we speak! Hopefully they have more for them as that is a bad ass chapter! love their lore!!

@Xynth25 24 дня назад

Our rules are usually a mix of broken and worthless. Leadership shenanigans are usually some of the worst things to build around but then we have a broken enhancement or strat that does 90% of the lifting keeping us playable.

@Blackrage916 24 дня назад

@@Xynth25 #facts!! Good thing we have the detachment rules so we can play around as well 😉

@Xynth25 24 дня назад

@@Blackrage916 Yeah, I'm putting my hopes on the Corsairs-themed detachment for aggressive movement, it's got some good looking stuff. Veterans of the Long War will probably play fine too for a more elite-focused army. I was excited for the Alpha infiltration detachment but I actually don't own enough cultists for it lol. Need to expand before going that way.

@imperialdoctor 24 дня назад

Eight detachments. Hopefully they're all good and there's no "best one". Really throws into perspective just how limp the Custodes codex is.

@roxxieraepage2768 24 дня назад

Curious to see what the Iron Warriors get. Wonder if it will be their old "Your dead tank is mine now" ability. XD

@mateuszsotys3912 24 дня назад

So it seems that my meme idea for an army might be usable. I wanted to create an army that's a chaos cult led by a Daemon Prince, with no chaos space marines, just 1000 points of cultists + the prince (that I wanted to kitbash to be a daemon of chaos undivided with some leanings towards Tzeench). Damn it, my wallet is gonna hate me

@Diggsworth 23 дня назад

My excitement at seeing the detachment post was crushed as I reached the bottom and saw that Vash'torr's detachment wasn't included!

@user-do7vq3kk3x 24 дня назад

Finally I can build my alpha schemes Not tzeench schemes(thousand sons included)

@chronovac 24 дня назад

If Huron is still around (and I suspect he will be), his rules go very well with the Renegade Raiders detachment rule

@calumdeighton 24 дня назад

The Night Lords enhancement reminds me of something the Tau & the Grey Knights have. You can basically zap up then come back down, and can do it in Round 1, because Deep Strike is not the same as Strategic Reserves. Rapid Ingress however is a Round 2 onwards strat.

@space9658 24 дня назад

Fingers crossed for buffed Vashtorr and Lord Discordant

@stevecatpatrick8056 24 дня назад

Dark apostles are going to be clutch for the cultist detachment. The 5+ leadership is going to be key to not taking a ton of fails on these tests.

@frostypancakes3701 24 дня назад

Always awesome videos all the time

@JM-oi8bm 24 дня назад

Any news if the Chaos Lord with Jumppack, will be able to attach to Warp Talons? Or any thoughts if it will be available

@mimiskoutsandreas-kd1fi 23 дня назад

Veterans of the long War at black legion, the most epic name ability to the most epic chaos Legion!!💪

@ancientmariner9460 24 дня назад

Aaaaand, as it happened with Loyalist SM, everyone will probably run that "Alpharius" detach, just like Vanguard. I start to believe, after seeing few new rules sets, that we have at least 2 separate teams working on army rules - one is a$$ and 2nd knows his job.

@Yuri77711 24 дня назад

Vanguard was nuked by GW like half a year ago. It's all about Black Templars Ironstorm and Space Wolves Stormlance now. CSM are also a glass cannon army. Vanguard worked because you could infiltrate a durable unit onto the midboard objective (anvil) and deep strike Aggressor/CenturionDev bomb (hammer) when the opponent decided to commit their valuable units.

@ancientmariner9460 24 дня назад

@@Yuri77711 You can still infiltrate with durable unit and DS with anything thanks to Ventris... Only points were changed from what I saw... So it was more of a firecracker rather than nuke...

@nrgbrt818 24 дня назад

This looks brilliant great especially after the most of the other codexes.

@nuvinlikeafugingudcig 24 дня назад

They'll probably start charging us to view the gw news feed soon

@chrisbingley 24 дня назад

The "Warp-fuelled Thrusters" enchancement would be a great way to deal with Guard Artillery. Put the bearer in a unit of Raptors with a pair of Meltaguns. Hopefully, these won't be directly linked to specific legions. My Black Legion warband operate more like Renegade Raiders. Being very mobile and aggressive.

@Swampert919 24 дня назад

No detachment is linked with a specific subfaction anymore, they'll be themed for specific legions but you can use your black legion with which ever one you feel fits the best

@1Nixx1 24 дня назад

The talisman of burn blood is a slight buff, currently you get the + 1 st and atk with it and then u can replace it with a d3 roll. Sounds like the new one it's an additional d3 on top of the +1 but now you can fail it, so 6 of one half a dozen of the other I guess :P

@robloxkiller1400 24 дня назад

Looking great so far

@robertsurtees2667 24 дня назад

Are they going to fix the proportions of the CSM or are they waiting to sell through some more kits?

@Master_Of_Machines 24 дня назад

So are codex’s going to be more detachment focused moving forward like how Orks and Now CSM are?

@Chnmmr 24 дня назад

Definitely feels that some codexes have far more effort and attention paid to them than others.

@drunkenastarte5243 24 дня назад

@@Chnmmr The first 4-5 codices of ANY new edition are generally complete gak. Those will be the ones written at the same time GW is still polishing off the new edition rules, before anything has generally released. Takes at least until the 5th or 6th codex of an edition for GW to bring the army designs more in-line with how the game & meta have started to unfold 'out in the wilds'. Best spot to be in will be those armies coming out from about this Summer into early, maybe mid next Spring. Definitely by next Fall, those books will be more likely to start turning in 10th/11th hybrid edition books - easily the WORST fate your army can suffer ;-)

@jakecartlidge5289 24 дня назад

Black legion rubrics might not synergize, but red corsairs rubrics looks pretty spicy

@Silverstorm48 24 дня назад

Was listening to the video and kept hearing Incendiary Goat 😅 Cannot wait for this mini to drop! 😂

@mrcamo2usir 24 дня назад

I would love for Soulforged Warpack to have an enhancement that makes regular vehicles into daemon engines. The kitbash and modeling potential there is massive

@Mika-qh8bc 24 дня назад

Hi auspex

@timothyseger8720 24 дня назад

My csm army is renegades. From this I like the the detachment rule they get

@TheHunted117 22 дня назад

This is the type of flavour I wanted for the DA codex happy for the CSM players I’ll just be over here crying

@domhardiman6437 24 дня назад

So does this mean then that legions such as the Night Lords or Iron Warriors do not have any specific rules in the codex? Do they just get framed by the generic rules present?

@GoldmonX 24 дня назад

Gonna ask a silly question. The Iron Warrior on the intro page. What model is that? Is that one from GW or just a cool one from the internet?

@lohikaarmeherra-1753 24 дня назад

Old warpsmith I think.

@chrismoseley4828 24 дня назад

My God, do I really get to bust out the Vraksian traitor guard army?!? Hells yeah!!

@Chris-jl6vp 24 дня назад

When are the chaos boys even going to get their upgrade sprues to be in line with the loyalist chapters? Just realised they're very sorely short on them, outside of Horus Heresy of course.

@captaincoolbreeze9429 24 дня назад

The Infernal Sacrifice stratagem could result in an immediate D3 mortal wounds, a chance of D3 mortal wounds if the Desperate Pact test is failed, and an additional chance of D3 mortal wounds if a Dark Pact test is failed for a total of D3+D3+D3 mortal wounds taken on a single unit.

@BrandonGiordano 24 дня назад

Looking interesting

@DeathInTheSnow 24 дня назад

So what's the best detachment for my much beloved Heldrakes?

@icklemoo 24 дня назад

the shelf detachment alas :)

@Wind-Whistler 24 дня назад

Probably Soulforged Warpack, but we won’t know until we get all the details.

@jeremiegartner464 24 дня назад

Black legion. Torrent cp

@Wind-Whistler 24 дня назад

@@jeremiegartner464 The Heldrake gets d6+3 shots. That strat isn’t worth it.

@toomaskotkas4467 24 дня назад

✳-mas dinner

@christerprestberg3973 24 дня назад

Hydra Dominatus!

@midnightclad888 23 дня назад

I can very much understand why you wouldn't want Rubrics to use 'Let the Galaxy Burn' but it would be nice to target them specifically rather than targeting all Tzeentch units.

@khaiwong728 24 дня назад

Hydra Dominatus! And Iron Within Iron Without!

@darko-man8549 23 дня назад

I think the reason GW is adding more mortal aspects to chaos is so that they can differentiate them more from imperium because GW wants factions to be more and more distinct. Personally I’d prefer renegade guard rules

@kewanzahedinour7304 24 дня назад

historically underpowered xD. made my day

@nicboi9803 24 дня назад

On god there really are two different codex teams, or at the very least you can tell which factions they like/play

@lohikaarmeherra-1753 23 дня назад

This codex is from the magic shroom team that made the previous chaos codex. Power creep strikes again.

@Grimpo96 24 дня назад

A little weirded out that Alpha Legions rules are…get in to melee as quickly as possible.

@paulshaw3907 24 дня назад

I saw it as have fun being moveblocked by 60 cultists and legionaries already on the objectives

@AceTaxiaGaming 24 дня назад

Love how chaos has to pay for what Swooping Hawks do naturally

@DragonsHoardOfPlastic 24 дня назад

I'm a big fan of Fellhammer Siege Host Enhancement. Love the idea of having a single dedicated "delete this" Marine 👌

@blindjustice5695 24 дня назад

Honestly hope Emperors children are handled well ive been wamting to play them since i started and now its time is close at hand

@adamduncton6054 24 дня назад

Again this shows you can do some nice thematic/lore friendly/fluffy and useful rules… not necessarily OP but make sense for the faction…so how the F*** can they get dark angels, custodes and admech so so wrong

@BloodyArchangelus 24 дня назад

gw are chaos cultists

@marauder340 24 дня назад

If that enhancement and the overall trend of the rules previews are anything to go by, the Iron Warriors-themed detachment is poised to beat the Anvil Siege Force. Happy for the CSM peeps, not so much for the continued uphill battle of making the ASF work decently well.

@michaelrossell5581 23 дня назад

Renegade Radiers? Do they do the gwiddy?

@chaosheaven23 23 дня назад

I kinda like that there isnt any obvious detachments meant for splicing daemons into the lists. I like the ability to do it, but it really ought to stay in Flavor Land, not matched competitive play.

@KawaiiAzusa 24 дня назад

The Deceptors Detachment rule reads a lot weaker than it probably is. You can deploy 108 models forward. Good luck for the enemy moving at all

@Swampert919 24 дня назад

There’s enough restrictions around deploying infiltrators (specifically can’t be within 9 inches of the enemy deployment zone or unit) that it’s very possible you won’t be able to get all 108 models on the mid field, especially if they have their own infiltrators. Plus if you make a mistake or don’t go first you’re liable to loose a lot of your army turn 1. And it won’t help you during the actual game. It’s still probably really good, but it’ll take a skilled player to use it well (and not loose the game with it) and could fall apart massively in the wrong match ups (still sounds super fun though)

@Riddler_von 24 дня назад

I’d love more necromunda please

@spidersmcfaintattack 24 дня назад

LOST AND THE DAMNED LOST AND THE DAMNED LOST AND THE DAAAAAAAAMNED

@wolfhunt2070 24 дня назад

it's cool for smc player and look like they spit on other faction release (admec,custo,da , ect )

@AxelKonzern 23 дня назад

OIL FOR THE COGFATHER GEARS FOR THE SOUL FORGE KING GLORY TO THE ARKIFANE

@CMTechnica 24 дня назад

And they called us crazy for saying the index was Word Bearers? Well guess who was right? Holding out some hope that the IW inspired detachment is decent.

@darko-man8549 24 дня назад

Wait, so if I want to have my chaos marines dedicated to gods I have to use the word bearers army? I can't mark my Alpha Legion troops with say khorne?

@alphaomega938 24 дня назад

Fallen finally better than Dark Angels lel

@kylefinley19 24 дня назад

Man I started playing custodes about 7-8 months ago and there codex has 4 detachments and feels like the guy they left in charge to write them did it all last minute and said less is more. Then I see chaos is 8 detachments come out right after and there all different. Custodes definitely got the end of the doo doo stick. That being said I played chaos in 8th and haven't since maybe I'll pick them up again

@friendlyneighbourhoodsunwheel 24 дня назад

Hell yeah I wake up it's here

@venkelos6996 24 дня назад

I'm just going to hope that Fellhammer Siege Host somehow doesn't suck? It's fun to hate of Perty, but I've often actually been a fan of Iron Warriors; they can have a simple paint scheme, sometimes get Techmarines, and I like the idea of supporting with Obliterators, and a Chaos Knight, etc., but if they follow the Imperial Fists in quality of their detachment...we'll I'll hope, anyway. Honestly, I am just curious about how well any of the detachments will work. I assume the Godsworn CSMs, like Death Guard, and Thousand Sons, can use any of these, like Astartes can, so it will be interesting to see if any of these are better than what those separate books already, or will, provide, but I'm hoping that they'd be good, even for the less "advanced" CSMs. It's hard to hold out for Night Lords, since basically no detachments based on fear checks have really worked, yet, so will this be fear, or jump-pack focus? I think if IW and WB can just be okay, though, I'll be happy enough.

@Swampert919 24 дня назад

God sworn legions wont be able to use any of these detachments... the loyalists can because the codex non compliant chapters are just supplements that add onto the main codex, the god specific CSM have their own codexes so wont be able to use these ones.

@woahhbro2906 24 дня назад

The variety in detachment themes is nice - seems like those Black Legion strats are lacking though. And we all know Night Lords will be centered around Leadership tests. Please just make it significant...oh well, we'll see.

@humbertoharo6840 24 дня назад

Niggt lords seem to be based around jump pack units.

@HomeSliceOfWhiteBread 24 дня назад

Nice

@Tehstampede 24 дня назад

I love how they spoiled the absolute best detachment already. Nothing beats movement abuse in 10e; the other detachments could give Sustained+Lethal Hits on 4+ and would still fall short of being able to get the majority of your army in cover on the midfield objectives before the game even starts.

@zousssnotzeus5341 24 дня назад

cant help but notice there isnt an emperors children one

@chrisbeau76 24 дня назад

Wait, no Fabius Bile Detachment?

@AceTaxiaGaming 24 дня назад

Probs in the eventual Emps Children codex

@chrisbeau76 24 дня назад

@@AceTaxiaGaming I was thinking that at first too, but he hates his chapter and he won’t even go near his Primark. In fact, he usually works for the black Legion or he’s solo. I can’t see him going back to Emperor‘s children unless GW is going to do some kind of Retcon because they’re lacking too many epic heroes so they might pull some cheesy plotline that somehow drags him back, which will really piss me off because I have no plans to play emperor’s children

@easchole9410 24 дня назад

39 seconds ago, that's a new best

@mentok1 24 дня назад

I'm a little sad there wasn't detachment similar to the Creations of Bile from 9th. I'm just hoping they don't do Vashtorr and Daemon Engines dirty.

@spruceforester3038 24 дня назад

It's possible that the creations of bile will be a Emperor's Children detachment

@mentok1 24 дня назад

@@spruceforester3038 It's possible. I guess we will see if Bile is in CSM codex, but in index, he has undivided and not Slaanesh, so I'm not sure about that.

@0AbsolutZero0 24 дня назад

They didn't bother to show his Detachment so probably

@spruceforester3038 24 дня назад

@@mentok1 true but he still makes new Astartes for the Emperor's Children Legion

@humbertoharo6840 24 дня назад

@@0AbsolutZero0they already talked about the eight detachments, its not there. My hope is that after they finish all codices they do some books int he style of psychic awakening that unclude new detachments.

@markhohenbrink5230 24 дня назад

So Tau and Custodes only get 4 detachments, but CSM gets 8, and 2 of them are basically extras outside of the actual CSM legions/warbands. Really GW

@Swampert919 24 дня назад

Tau and custodes also got detachments based on their extras (kroot and sisters). Plus CSM are jacks of all trades with varied playstyles so there’s a lot of different detachments they can do, tau and custodes are pretty limited in their playstyles so there’s way fewer options for detachments (especially custodes… when half of your army is pretty much the exact same unit and the other half are unused transports or sisters you can’t really expect very many detachments). Also don’t forget that the way detachments are set up means they can easily add new ones through white dwarf or balance changes, I’d be surprised if this is it for the tau.

@anonamarth4291 24 дня назад

The difference is that you've essentially got 5 legions' worth of characters in CSM. Of course they're going to get more than T'au or Custodes.

@markhohenbrink5230 24 дня назад

@anonamarth4291 if that's the reason for GW giving 8 detachments to CSM then normal Space Marines should have 8 or more as well, but they don't.

@markhohenbrink5230 24 дня назад

@Swampert919 it doesn't make sense for Tau to have only 4 when Ad Mech and Necrons have 5, when Tau has more datasheets than Ad Mech and around the same for Necrons. There is no reasonable argument for why those 2 factions are stuck with only 4 and then you see Orks and CSM get more then them. And it's interesting to note that both Orks and most likely CSM are going to be better codexes than Tau and Custodes.

@Swampert919 24 дня назад

@@markhohenbrink5230 doesnt matter if they have more datasheets, what matters is variety. your units tend to fall into ranged infantry, ranged battlesuits, auxiliaries (aka kroot) and 5 vehicles, of which 1 is a transport and 2 are fliers. Its pretty hard to make distinct detachments from just that. Not to mention the direction they went means that the 4 detachments they got covers their whole army better than most codexes... more detachments would be nice but every tau playstyle has a home. CSM have high unit diversity, as well as 7 subfactions with distinct playstyles and 2 flavours of 'auxiliaries' to make detachments from (and we didnt even get all of them, creations of bile are missing). Thats also why they got more than the loyalists, they dont have cultists and daemon engines.

@Lomhow 24 дня назад

I like that I'm not restricted by my paint job's rules anymore. If I like a certain playstyle, its not so much an issue. The new Veterans and Veterans detachments look like really great rules. I was not satisfied with barely 6 months of the 9th ed CSM codex before 10th came out. The newer pact system has been meh, not very happy with the mortal wound self infliction. Kinda lame. I feel like the pact system could be a core mechanic, and the Zealot detachment should just be "you don't take Mortal Wounds from worshipping evil gods" which would be epic as fuck