Huge Discovery Shocks Final Fantasy VII Speedrunning! 

OHHHHHH ELDEN RING!

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Was that music before the ad from Body Harvest or Super Metroid???? I can't place it, but definitely sounded suuuuper familiar!

I was hoping for a new video "on the first day in march, twenty twenty-two, cheese would achieve this run"

chess is the greatest game of all time. basically older than time and even has 1v1 speed-running

What an epic tale

How is that even possible man

@@_Archo you can bait it out with the right timing. It's a really old trick, idk why Karl said it's impossible to avoid the Zolom. It's *supposed* to be impossible.

I did the same thing except I didn't grind and never played again lmao

I think every lil homie who played ff7, soft locked themselves somewhere and had to battle out of it. My mistake was putting my short range party members in the elevator fight in my first play through.

I am always much more impressed by the glitch finders and the strategies they come up with for optimization than I am of the people who execute it.

7R is trash

@@unfazedo They're all trash now. They should have never changed the format to generic hack and slash junk. FF is dead. Has been since Type 0 and it's been on it's way out since FF12.

@@PompeyKilla aww man I LOVE FFVIIR its the only reason I know about ffvii to begin with. I now have played ffvii og, watched ac, dirge, and crisis core. Turned me into a huge ffvii fan. Also I love the combat and maximilian doods playthrough and news videos are what keep me breathing rn.

@@chrisbullock8158 I wanted to play the remake so bad, waited years for it to happen, but the decided to split it up into multiple games, and add purchased DLC. so i didnt and wont ever be checking it out. I absolutely hate the direction games have went, i remember when i was a kid we didnt have much money and i could barely even afford to get ahold of the few games that i did. there is no way i could afford to play games now if i was a kid today. They are completely pricing people out, and its disgusting. You pay a high price tag, for an incomplete game, that doesnt even have all the content, you need to buy that extra as well. not to mention how expensive consoles are now. there is just no way I would have ever been able to get ahold of games as a kid with how expensive it is now. It sucks that everyone seems to like this direction though, everyone love to spend all their money on games that usually have such bad releases they have to have an update patch to fix all the bugs AFTER its already went live and sold. The last game i ever bought was Skyrim lol, and they have literally been reselling skyrim for over 10 years now, and they are still selling it for $60 lol. Its literally over 10 years old. like i dont even care anymore, games have been completely ruined. Aside from graphics, games havnt really improved at all, in any aspect. Game play isnt getting better, just graphics. people just want to buy pretty games now, and want only parts of games and they want to have to buy the rest of the game in multiple DLCs, by the time the ff7r is complete, ill bet with all the DLC its gonna be a $300 game to buy it. Id have to sell crack as a kid to be able to afford these consoles and games. Fuck the gaming industry.

I feel that one. I bought FFVII second hand when I was like, 12 or 13 (it was around the time FFIX came out iirc) I played the fuck out of that game. Beat it and then printed out the entire walkthrough for the game while playing it the second time to see what all I had missed the first time through. maxed out the clock my second play through cause i did so much dicking around with the game.

gotta love good old childhood brute force methods that feel almost intended lol

Same here :)

And when I played the game I always grinded so long until I could defeat the snake (~1500 hp to survive its massive damage skill), meanwhile acquiring Beta ennemi skill for my first E.Skill materia xD

I can confirm that it is possible to avoid it.

That's right! I knew how to get the chocobo, but for some reason, I just really wanted to also be able to cross the swamp without needing it. Was a good time.

Somehow, I did that on my first playthrough (back in 2020) without prior knowledge. T'was a strange feeling alright~

Exactly

I agree about ALttP. It has also aged much better too I think.

I like links awakening the most

i wonder if, as the completion time drops, it will be more appealing to these people?

I used to think ALttP was better then OoT. Now I'm not sure. But they're both amazing. I wouldn't mind someone arguing for one over the other. Now FFVI compared to FFVII is easy. FFVI by so far it hurts my brain.

Same! Couldn't agree more. Every time one of Karl's videos turns up on my feed, it is THE next video to be watched, even if I'm currently intending to continue one I'm part-way through!

Agreed, the flow of each story his videos tell is literally perfect.

When I made a new Google account, I decided I was only going to subscribe to the best RU-vidrs I had found on the Platform. For obvious reasons, Karl was one of the first.

Absolutely, in the end it is about preference and subjectivity

Hmmm, I play pretty much every genre with maybe slightly less experience for puzzle games. I'd have a really tough time choosing between platformers and RPGs, they're both amazing genres with tons to offer. Regardless of my love for RPGs, I would still SM64 the Best Game Ever award. Minecraft, Ocarina of Time, World of Warcraft, EverQuest, Ultima Online, WarCraft 2, StarCraft 2, Rome: Total War, Total War Shogun 2, SM3, Donkey Kong Country 2, FF6, FF7, Dragon Quest 3, Chrono Trigger are all runners up that I'd have a hard time placing ranks on. I know people will hate me for saying it, but Fortnite also deserves a slot both for innovation and replayability, as well as Overwatch.

@@VesperAegis and for me I also love games like the Spyro Trilogy and the OG BFBB and many other games so I have multiple favorite games haha

It's hard enough to decide on my own criteria for judging how good a game is. Is it how much I enjoyed it the first time around? (Giving a huge relative advantage to games from decades past; nostalgia bias.) How much I would enjoy it if I played it for the first time right now? (Giving the advantage rather to newer games which leverage design methodology, programming library, and hardware improvements.) Do I factor in how much the game cost? (A free game otherwise identical to a paid game could be considered "better" in some sense from an economic standpoint.)

Such thing as "the best game ever" doesn't exist, seriously, because everyone is biased to pick a fav game as the "best ever", we all have particular experiences, stories and nostalgia, such factors will always drive us. BUT, we can all agree that certain games are better than others and that there are games considered as the best or most notorious of their genre/console/generation, so I think it's fair to call them "Best *Games* ever" rather than choosing a single one.

I love how people unironically praise a documentary that puts them to sleep. Relaxation is huge!

Iuuuu

yooo whats good dash!

@@ZandarKoad Only repeat viewings for sleep. Watching something for the first time, I get too interested in it and it keeps me awake.

"I'm DashRetro" - Dash Retro

That section of the video confused me honestly. In the USA Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 6 along with Illusion of Gaia, Secret of Mana, etc. were immensely popular before FF7 came along. JRPGs were anything but niche at the time, at least stateside.

And he has an excellent community, too.

This ! ❤

RJ, Oddmog, Deano, primdeath, lupi_ff7 also all top tier runenrs

aka Death_unites_us

Agreed! What a legend... Shout out to Final Fantathon too!

Imop they still are. I want a game not a movie

@@jackybogues2495 everyone's entitled to their opinion. I want an experience personally

I remember playing Waverace 64 and thinking "yup, games have peaked. This is photo realistic"

@@jackybogues2495 That's part of why I didn't like FF8. It's graphics were too good and everything felt out of place.

@@jackybogues2495 what did you think of final fantasy7 remake and yes the graphics are still good the game is great. have you played final fantasy 7 remake what did you thik of it

i watch James too, i find it funny that almost every 80s kid should know what you can walk over and what game it is

🎶some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb 🎶

You’re so old that you still call it Final Fantasy 3 when everyone else now refers to it as FF6 😜

I was really confused about this post until I remembered 3 ~ 5 didn't come out in the US till way later. That being said, you have a point. However, 7 still gained much more cultural relevance in the West than 6. Not arguing which is "better" because that's honestly a really tight competition, though for different reasons per each game, I'm just saying you can't just give credit for all FF7's success to 6. The game is a classic for a reason.

You mean Final Fantasy 6 right?

@@RanEncounter ackshully its final fantasy 6 right? No, homie, us old people who actually played it when it released, called it FF3.

Same. I grew up with FF3, SMRPG, SoM, CT back when squre enix was still squaresoft.

I love watching runs of FF7/8/9. Especially when it's relay style with Tojju, Mutski and Luzbel. I could listen to them talking shit for 8 hours with either of those games on in the background.

@@jakel7213 three of the greatest speedruns ever recorded, those. Not for speed, but for pure chemistry and fun.

@@JandarLefey The slide whistle in VIII is a crowning achievement in speedrunning history IMO 😋

So you want to give them a handy?

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It was only recently that an entire secret quest line was discovered in FF9. And FF9 has a pretty dedicated Speedrun community.

Few speedrunners may have the routes and paths, glitches that they use, it's only less well documented. Take as an example Kleric for BotW. He's really good at documenting the glitches because there is a lot to take from and sources to check. If you want an example of somebody that knows a lot about Pokemom speedruns it's Werster; but I really doubt he would share everything he knows except in livestreams, but if he were to release all the info to everybody other runners would catch up to him. There's a little of competition in this kind of thing, like businesses that wouldn't share important information with others.

Jim Power & The Lost Dimension in 3D. This game deserves a community of runners. Amazing soundtrack too

There are a lot of speedrunners that focus on smaller underplayed games. Why compete to get into the top 25 of a popular game when you could mark the first world record in 5 other ones

Well uh yeah thats obvious

@@Hithere-uz6wd Obvious but there's a section about best game ever at the beginning of this video.

@@noneofyourbusiness7965 Kind of a weird evangelical section too. Came out if nowhere. But I think he was trying to hype up the new speedrun findings by elevating FF7 to something much more than it is.

right, theres alot to consider. ff7 was one of the best games of it's time, no one can dispute that, but like Karl says in the video ff7 really has not aged well at all, so it definitely has gone down with time

Same with the sponsor I thought it was gonna be skillshare with his piano

I was thinking OoT the whole time, expecting to need to correct him once he revealed his answer. Then, he ended up being correct after all.

OoT caused me to stop playing zelda games. Its just bad

@DarkCoreX stats don't lie

@@killwillv2610 Except most people don't see "best game ever" and assume it was decided by some kind of objective metric of how many people collectively have nostalgia for it and decided to give it a high number on the funny number site. They assume it was a subjective decision based on subjective observations of its impact and influence. There is no "how good the game is" stat. What factors are even included is entirely subjective. And those stats you're referring to are still the result of peoples' subjective opinions.

He doesn't make ff7 sound cool it was the coolest game you should play the original version if you ever get a chance. I never play a game for its story or pay attention to it, but that was a story I can pretty much tell you now I've played it that many times since it came out in 97.

Windwaker being the best Zelda lmao that's a reach. Clearly you were not around when it came out as most people hated it. I played Windwaker once and have no interest in ever playing it again same with Twilight. OoT and LTTP will always be the best 2 Zelda games its just personal preference on if you like 2D or 3D.

Undoubtedly Majora's Mask is better than Ocarina of Time, though for simply being trailblazing at the time OoT deserves the accolades.

@@Eiji475 What do you mean I "wasn't around"? lol I bought it when it came out, because it was the first game ever to get the "20/20" score on the most famous French video games website. So, nope. People hated the trailer because they didn't expect this kind of graphics, but certainly not the game after it came out.

@Eiji The people who hated Windwaker didn’t like it because of the art style but the gameplay and mechanics were never disputed. Tbh I was disappointed with the art style too when it came out but I ended up loving Windwaker. At the time of OOT’s release it was a huge step for the Zelda franchise in terms of graphic output but I’d argue that OOT isn’t as playable as Windwaker currently is. There are plenty of mechanics and limitations from the N64 era that feel outdated (and quite frankly make me feel like revisiting certain N64 games are a chore). I’ll be honest and say I never felt compelled to complete OOT but I did outplay Windwaker. I feel like “best” games shouldn’t be purely fueled by nostalgia and context. There are games I loved back then that I can’t play in the current day, yet there are other games that stood the test of time more effectively.

@@Eiji475 Subjective argument acting like an objective take. Lmao

I enjoy on Switch the Blitzball installment, sometimes taking breaks with the RPG they bundled with it? Smart move! XD

@@Ramsey276one No lie, I only ever got to play a little bit of FFX back in the day at a friend's house until life got in the way, and I happened to stop around the part where they were just introducing Blitzball, but never got the chance to play it myself. And the main reason I wanted to play the game at all was because of Blitzball. And the Chocobo racing, of course. A shame I will carry to my grave. But maybe it was for the best, since I didn't want to take the game hostage like I've done with the entire Compilation of VII.

Is it true there are clues there that originally Aeris wasn't going to die? I've heard that... and noticed that if she was present, all parties would be full-strength to fight the final boss battle.

(Facepalm) Oh, _the Chocobo racing._ *Goddamn Teioh!* I wanted to smack that ridiculous hat off Joe's head every time I saw he'd be racing. A litle background for those who may not remember: Teioh was an example of the game openly sabotaging your Gold Saucer efforts. That chocobo's job was literally to show up in races which offered good prizes, and try to _force_ a lossfor you. No matter how swole your mount, Teioh's stats were better-- he could even exceed the normal stat maximums to make that happen. As a black chocobo he also ignored a slo-mo effect in a section of the race course. I grant you-- when I played FFVII way back when, I probably wasn't the most strategically-minded jockey. But at S-Rank, Teioh was still clearly a monster... he almost seemed unbeatable. He made no real mistakes; only being blocked or corralled by other jockeys made him falter. And he always had the perfect timing and remaining stamina for a home-stretch sprint that ensured I couldn't reach the finish line first. Most my few S-Class victories against Teioh happened because he was going *too* fast! His devastating come-from-behind sprints in the last seconds led to collisions sometimes: you might get bulldozed past the finish line in front of him before the game physics shoved you to one side.

@@henrysokol3466 Unfortunately, no. Aeris was planned to die fairly early on during development even when the game was still in concept (according to old interviews in the original Ultimania / guide books). I think the devs weren't completely sure exactly where her death would take place, though. There is some leftover data for Aeris appearing on some areas of Disc 2 that can be reproduced in Disc 3, but nothing that can be accessed without cheating and are likely to crash the game if accessed "normally". Frankly, I think it's for the best. It wouldn't really make for a challenging final boss fight if she could just go in with a Great Gospel. Heck, it'd probably be too easy even with just her Fury Brand. Seph would just rage-quit after seeing Omnislash for the 16th time in a row.

Tho 1 thing about OoT is that it's the 3DS version that can be considered 1 of the best games of all time yet people who say that for some reason only mean the N64 version what has aged like milk on lot of aspects the 3DS version fixed...

pfft the best game is obviously magic knights ray earth for the sega saturn

Hey, can you give me a few pointers on what people like about OoT? After a full playthrough, I can't name a single point, and the intro to the video really confused me.

@@plantelo nostalgia and N64 lacking games while games also being more expensive, so those who grew up with N64 replayed the few games they had lot more.

@@plantelo I don't know if this playthrough of your was recent, but it obvious OoT won't have the same impact nowadays as it did in 1998

Kind of hard to understand RPG speedrunning. Final Fantasy VII happens to be one of the most unique. Early 3D game development was the perfect time for a beautiful speed game.

It overall has aged well because turn based combat doesn't age as badly as early attempts at other 3D genres, with things that overall haven't aged well just being the overworld models and some combat animations being too long (tho modern ports do include a speed up function).

Yeah, I didn’t get what he meant about OOT aging better than FFVII. Seems like the exact opposite to me. No disrespect to OOT, but that’s the nature of trying real time combat on the N64.

Dunno about that. I played FF VII for the very first time a couple of months ago and it felt dated and borderline unbearable at times. FF VI feels vastly superior to me.

@@PerritoGG ff vi (ff3) is the best final fantasy by far

This & Legend of Dragoon

True!

Sort of similar for me, but less extreme. I played Final Fantasy VII during a time when I felt like I had nothing to keep me happy and did not expect that games could be as complex and meaningful as it was, as well as the beautiful atmosphere created by the music and other things. However, sadly Breath of Fire 3 was the opposite where I was playing it during a time where I felt like everything was getting worse for me and I could not control my mind like I used to and my grades were plummeting. It was like all of my health and emotion from childhood left me. I have dealt with a lot of invisible abuse which I only somewhat broke after so many years later. It still feels like I have had so much life taken away from me, as well as time in a world that is dying, that I can not find peace. But I feel like Final Fantasy VII made me a better person and made me care about the Earth despite not understanding pretty much anything when I was young, playing video games.

That’s heavy, man.

Same with me but instead of being beaten I was just homeless and dealing with crack head parents. You are not alone! Remember that and strive on. I still have your back.

Respect 👍

Hope things are better for you

Undertale speedrunners: hold my Punch Card

You can speedrun anything if you believe in yourself... as in believe in your ability to cheat.

@@naught_. the way you put it makes speed-running is a competition about who is the best cheater who tells everyone how they are cheating.

@@sblower9410 The way I see it, cheating in video games involves interacting with it in a way contrary to what the original developer intended, defeating the purpose of its existence. So yeah, it's a battle to see who can distort a game's original vision the best, like making a collage painting with a whole bunch of unrelated works of art.

@@naught_. I prefer to save the word "cheating" for things that are more like theft. IE: your stealing the glory of your peers. It is unreasonable in my view to call merely using a game as a platform as a form of cheating. That undermines the true damage that cheaters do to their communities.

OoT is not short at all. It takes 20+ hours to complete on a first playthrough. Most adventure games these days are between 12 and 30 hours. It is a bit linear but there's enough to do and explore that you don't need to be on the main quest path the whole time. You also don't have to wait in combat unless you just stand there and don't make use of items. If waiting for an opening was truly as issue no one would like Dark Souls.

Yea u got all skulltulas in one day lol keep lying

@@soundboyeric2276 You can hear them, and the map tells you what areas you've finished finding them in. That made it super simple for anyone paying attention. Every other collectible in the series I can think of right now off the top of my head, Secret Seashells, rings from the Oracle games, Maiaimais, Gratitude Crystals, etc... Skulltullas took less time to search for and find than any one of the others, because every time you entered an area with one, you'd just hear that loud chittering and know that there's a skulltulla. It's the same reason none of Metroid Prime's missiles or energy tanks were what I'd call "Hidden", because they all had a loud hum to them making them easy to hear if you were in the right room. (Though that game took me a few days to complete, simply because of its larger scope.) Audio cues just give collectibles away and make them almost impossible to miss.

Speedrunners for FFVII actually wouldn't use a chocobo to get passed the Zolom originally. There's a small piece of the mountain that sticks out in the middle of the marsh on the north side, and if you wait behind it, the Zolom will bounce off that corner of the mountain and go the opposite direction instead of reaching you.

That's how we used to do that section before kalm skip. There's a trick to it where you can have Zolom hit the mountains and slithers away from you instead of at you. Takes a little practice but once you get it, you'll never forget how to do it

@@NixXRemade Thank you so much for the clarification! I thought that that was true. Crazy that I figured out a speed-trick before I even knew speedrunning existed!

@@d13sel51 Thank you so much for the clarification! I thought that that was true. Crazy that I figured out a speed-trick before I even knew speedrunning existed!

I beat it summer last year. The impact the game had on me was so huge that I felt an existential crisis for 3 weeks after I finished the game. I am already experiencing nostalgia from this game (it hasn't even been a full year from when I defeated it). So I can't imagine how huge the nostalgia must be if one played this when it got released.

G4TV once described the storyline as 'so emotional it cuts itself.'

Yep, my favorite Zelda is still A Link to the Past. But I also think FF6 is better than FF7 tbh. I guess I am more into 16-bit era RPG's.

@@kosmosyche I'm in agreement to a large extent. I like Link to the Past too, along with a Link Between Worlds. The painting gimmick is a lot of fun. Twilight Princess is one of my favorites of the 3D era and much of that has to do with Midna. I like having a support character who isn't irritating. Further on the personality front, my two favorite FF games are VI and XII and I think VI wins out for me, just because every single character arc is exceptionally well fleshed out.

@@newcarpathia9422 Midna waifu for laifu.

As far as I'm aware, people still don't know what caused that upwarp in TTC in SM64.

@@justicegaming1412 I think they found out it was a random cosmic ray

@@justicegaming1412 yeah it was something with the cartridge

@@justicegaming1412 Random solar particle collided with the N64 and changed a single bit value for Mario's elevation. Stuff like that is common enough that most modern electronics have some form of correction mechanism for it, or even shielding against it for stuff like flight computers.

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Yep I was thinking the same thing.

There are multiple more consistent strats to get past Zolom without a chocobo prior to Kalm Skip. Save and quit in the middle of the marsh reset the Zolom's position without resetting yours for one, but that was slow. The most common used method was Zolom manip, where the speedrunners ran behind a cliff and forced the Zolom to bounce off the cliff. They would then run in the Zolom's tail and split off at a certain point. This required proper movement though, otherwise the Zolom would u-turn right into you.

It's also not *that* hard to kill Zolom, since he can be poisoned to death with Bio. In a casual playthrough, if you grind the fire materia to fire 2 and link it with added effect on an armor, you can make a character immune to fire and pick up the massively powerful enemy skill "Beta" early on.

I did it accidentally as a kid!

you still dont outrun it, you just get a headstart

"Remake" is prominently slapped across the game's old title and logo, to the point of being obstructive. On the face of things, that just seems pointless. But I have a hunch it isn't there just to distinguish the new game from the original. If I'm right it's a *full, meaningful piece* of the game's title, that suggests what will happen within the game. It's been confirmed the Remake happens in a parallel universe, meant to duplicate the original game's. But by the end of the first installment Fate is helpless to keep the intended timeline on track. Things could possibly turn out _better_ than in the original game, but it's too big a gamble to take. Aeris is going to have to clue everyone in so they can try to recreate its events... *remake* the wrecked storyline. Some things make a lot more sense that way-: Aeris's warning to Cloud he mustn't fall in love with her... Sephiroth being interested in 'strengthening' Cloud for some reason... the cruel and cryptic "seven seconds 'til the end" comment he knows Cloud will understand once he learns Aeris must die.

I agree with this and Morphy would be about 2600 by today's standards, not even a super GM, which is 2700+. I don't think Ocarina of Time is one of the best games but that's probably because I didn't play it till years after it came out so I don't have that nostalgia.

@@wheelhouse15 ocarina absolutely was one of the best games ever when it came out, and it's fair to say that it expanded the idea of what a video game could be. I think it deserves reverence for its place in video game history. But yeah, I dont think the gameplay holds up all that well, and there are hundreds, if not thousands of games I'd rather play than ocarina now.

@@SJNaka101 That's one thing I can't really say because I didn't own a NES or Super NES. To me it was just something I played later on so I can't really compare it to anything at the time fairly because I don't remember what was out at that time.

agreed. OoT isn't even the best zelda, let alone the best game of all time... but that's nostalgia for you.

@@Simon-xi7lb Same goes for FF7, its not even the best FF or the best game square soft made, FF6 and Chrono trigger were always superior.

YES!!! Same goes for Super Mario 64! It's not the best 3D platformer ever made nor the best Mario game! (this is the OBJECTIVE TRUTH!!! I'm so cool amirite)

This is why best game lists are stupid, that sort of thing will always be subjective. You could easily make an objective list about the most _influential_ games, though.

So Oscars are worthless because they are a representation of what is more popular among the academy professionals voting?

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Yeah that made me do a double take like "what?? he just call the Sephiroth flashbacks boring?"

He meant it in the context of a speedrun, evidently

Honestly, I just feel like the story is gonna get better, they managed to make the Dirge story not terrible so clearly they're already performing miracles on the series. (BTW, I love Dirge but I will admit that the story wasn't exactly the best XD)

Chrono Trigger is the GOAT, sorry Ocarina and FF7....better luck next time.

I disagree.

Cross is better than Trigger in every way though. i don't care for Trigger, the battles are too slow

Chrono Trigger is absolutely better than FF7. Way less dull & ugly. Still, neither can touch Symphony of the Night ;) the REAL best game of all time.

Time to watch Advent Children Complete, then.

Don't forget to play Crisis Core. Janky in-battle rng nonsense aside, it's a hell of a game (even though it looks and feels like Kingdom Hearts)

@@SullySadface I would play it but sadly my laptop is absolute fucking dogshit and I don't know how well it runs a Psp emulator, I am really glad it ran ff7, as it should but my laptop stuttered with super metroid for some reason, also it's been lagging with games like terraria, super smash bros Meleee (this one runs absolutely horribly) and tf2 so I'm kinda confident after looking at crisis core footage it won't run. I'll make sure to give it a shot when I have a better pc

@@_Rndom i feel that. worth a try though, the only thing you'll lose is a little bit of time and a few gigs of hard drive space. PPSSPP should run ok on anything made in the last decade or so, including phones.

Now play the FF7 demake. A Chinese bootleg version ported to the NES. It's not good, but it does actually have some kinda neat features for a NES rpg. It's basically just a way to experience the plot (well except it just kinda skips the second half because I guess the dev ran out of time or space).

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But the glitches kind of save the original. I never really thought that Ocarina of Time deserved to be best game except for its place in history. And Link to the Past is a much worse game, yet still places high. Final Fantasy VI might also place high despite being pure garbage. Both Final Fantasy and Zelda are primarily heavily flawed games that feel like they easily could have been funner with a few changes and thankfully Breath of the Wild did a good job, but its lack of crafting and swimming does make it still worse than it could have been. And it seems like Breath of the Wild 2 would not address these issues, which makes me not care about Breath of the Wild 2 despite how much I respect the first game. And for Final Fantasy X, I think it is the closest to perfect, especially if you do not care too much about how linear it gets.

@@sigurdtheblue FFX has one of the worst story and characters of all time though?

It’s hard to argue that any game is the best game ever. Obviously there are objectively good or bad parts to a game, like bugs and glitches, build quality, that kind of stuff, but everything else is subjective. Ask a hundred CoD fans what the best game ever is, and you’ll get a VERY different answer than if you ask a hundred AoE fans. And the reason that OoT has so many glowing reviews is because of nostalgia. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great game, but most of the reviewers and stuff nowadays grew up with the game and have nostalgia for it.

@@sigurdtheblue I actually disagree that ALttP is a "much worse" game. From a pure gameplay standpoint it doesn't have the insane amounts of downtime that OoT has even when just walking around, it has more temples that can be done in a variety of orders instead of the mostly fixed order of OoT, and the items are useful in general rather than just in their intended places. Story here is subjective and both are rather bare-bones but I can see why people prefer OoT for the cutscenes and such, even if I think the story is pretty bland. FFX is far from perfect since it becomes a massive grindfest at the end of the game, even just to beat it but especially if you want to go for the secret bosses. Not to mention dodging lightning and chocobo races. It handles its linear nature much better than FFXIII though and I feel like you get the airship at the right time to go anywhere you like.