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What this does is quicken your reflexs. So when someone comes at you with a swing or a downward knife stab, you can quickly block it and come in with a burst punch at the same time. Bursting (blocking while attacking) is one of Krav Maga's main ideas to quickly stop an attack and gain control of the fight. the 360 defense isn't used to block multiple strikes: It's to make you act quickly so you may get inside of their attacks.
As a Wing Chun Practitioner i mentioned before that this 360 defense is in Wing Chun based on the circular concept. However when in a fight you do not look for the technique, because the technique is an expression of the concept whatever the concept may be. I am sure the same is in Krav Maga. The Circular structure of hands or legs will work against any incoming attack if you understand the concept.
TroysChannel: You speak truth. I parted ways from traditional martial arts and MAA for the reason of "attack, run, and get home alive at all costs". KM increased the changes for this to occur over most traditional martial arts.
It will work sometimes with them too, but you must be prepared to block frontal attacks too. Especially frontal attacks. Besides, this kind of defense is usually followed by a counter attack.
I agree with you this will work for angry untrained people as you said, most people will throw punches without thinking they're objective will be to beat you to a pulp, so Krav Maga is a great self defense, the best thing to do is stay calm and concentrated, the worst thing you can do after getting punched is getting angry and attacking like the light gray figure.
the most important thing about 360 defense is for knife stopping. when somone upclose attacks you with a knife you need to use 360 defense to stop his arm (i'm a krav maga student)
We all feel that this works in some instances. Kicks should not be blocked with your arms, use the shin. Most street fighters have some level of kicking in their minds. Sloppy kicks can be blocked with the arms and shins, sometimes both. If you have a mix it up with a kickboxer you better block with your shins, the arms will break. I use a crab block and a shin block when a fighter is using combinations of hand and foot. You also should move a lot in a self defense situation. The 360 has some merit you should see 360 at all times.
also, its a drill people, its not for if someone attacks with a straight punch and of course people may not attack like the silver guy lol. its a drill. its for building up muscle memory to react to deflect and attack away from your centerline
They teach how to block jabs. You have to slightly deflect the punch, then counter. You'll learn it in level 1 (I know this because I take Krav Maga and am level 1. I can test into level 2 next month :D).
and then when you block a straight punch, you can grab their wrist, use your free hand (the one you didnt use to block) and slide it to the side of their neck, and pull down on the back of their neck, its like a lever and then from there, you can knee, kick or smash them into a near by object, this 360 is for hooks and side attacks
its called the outlet stance you stand at an angle of about 30 degrees to your opponent with your feet about a shoulder's width apart to protect your groin. your hands are held at about eyebrow level 6 inches apart with your upper arms parallel to the ground and your elbows at a 60 degree angle.
@theacempire So essentially, I agree with you that often the *way* KM is taught is more relevent to street defence, whereas MMA is more relevent to sports. However, that's kind of the point! Many of the techniques still run in parallel, just a very different mindset. People train for different reasons and I simply believe there is no reason to hate on any martial arts, it's better people train and improve themselves than not do anything. There are many more factors that influence a fight outcome
This might be a good exercise to train for hand eye but anyone with boxing experience can see that a short hook will get through the oblique arm blocks,this seems to easy to open up with feints,I fake a wide loop hook on the left,step inside and throw a phillyhook righthand,you are out cold. Any spaz can block a bolo hook.
I like that motto. Its more realtistic than most other ("Be invisible", "Be unvincible", "be faster, stronger, better" "turn the other cheek") because it think its about the only one working. Fight 3 or more guys? Hell yeah, right, i wanna do that... not! @dirty moves yeah, i got that, i just wanted to point out to others that sports and real fights are two different things^^ I hear "But thats dirty, you cant do that!" a lot. from people that never got into a fight, that is.
first this idea is taken from wing chun.. its the idea of circular movement(notice the shape of the hands that deflect). now if he is punching straight forward you use the same circular shape but with the elbow down and the fist to his face and that will effectively stop any straight forward strike. circular movements are best for using minimum force.
oh yea i can touch arms with a reaction time of 0.015 as well but that doesnt meant that these punches are blocked i doupt strongly that this defence completely blocks the upper attacks
I forgot to mention that (stupid, since it's the most important one). I have never studied any combat system, but I had a knack for getting into fights in my early teens (immature, I know). A little street fighting experience is nothing compared to a systematic practice of krav maga, however the people I've fought punched almost always like the light grey guy in the video, so I defended just like the other grey guy. The ones i fought never used a knife though, so it didn't cross my mind.
well thats what i thought too. but i've never seen any of them strike like that before. Btw i love what i've seen of krav maga and think it looks like the most effective self defense system that i've seen so far. and i understand that people attack from the outside. but hitting like that looks funny haha
@jot0ub Depends which part of the arm you defend with. I'd defend with the thicker, part of my forearm because it's not only a stronger barrier, it sort of absorbs the impact of the strike, rather than striking the exposed, non-muscley outside of the arm that could break easily.
like you wrote: IF you manage. Knowing a punch is coming and evade/defend against are two different things. you need lots of practise and good reflexes. Ever tried to catch a jab, a real jab that was thrown to break your face? If you manage to do that, il send you cookies. Lots of. Because its not easy. especially if you dont know when or what kind of attack will come, which is the normal situation.Will he wait?Attack?A kick,a Jab,a cross?A Feint, probably, or a combo. The psych. stress is hard.
@airsoftwannabe618 u train to make your blocks fast, ur eyes will also see the punches coming well if there infront of you but ur arms have to act fast to block, so blocking with wights on ur hands or arms helps
Krav Maga is more realistic though, it teaches you how to fight bare-handed against people with knives, guns, and also when you are outnumbered. Muay Thai is an explosive and powerful martial art, but using it defend yourself on the street is futile because it is more of a sport than actual self-defence.
As an escape technique it might work if you're up against only one maybe two. And yes there's usually two people with weapons...how many are you fithing against? 10? Bursting won't work against ten. If you actually tried krav maga you'd see that holding someone to align them is not clumsy or dangerous, au contraire, you control that person while keeping your ass safe and constantly kneeing him in the stomach or balls.
ive learned when i was little boy - its really a joke. the real krav maga moves starts at 14-16 - than its really exhausting. i remember we used to watch the 16 years trainings- thats really cool. you need to be in good shape - or you will be half dead after 5 minuts of trainings.
Masteryodason I agree with what you said, however, i still think you can move your hands quicker than your head, and yet he was moving his head quick enough. Anyway try it. Get a freind to try touch your face (or punch if your head is concrete) , and just try ward him off like they are dong in this video, its suprisingly effective.
@ThugLifeSoldiers No way dude! I watched Karate Kid (the original) just 2 days ago, the hanging crane kick is still fresh in my mind! "No can defence"!
@B3nBo1194 Did I say ONLY for knives? Actually, blocking a club this way is not a good idea, but if an opponent is attempting a round attack, this would be the best raction.
You are right it is your opinion and i respect it as you must have a reason for believing it, however i do not agree with it as i too have a reason to believe in Wing Chun, and i believe you should respect that too:)
@Zain844 And by no means am I playing on taekwon do, I did practice it until I reached first degree black belt so I wouldnt insult the art form. But my point is, you cant go off dissecting a combat system and then compare it to another combat form. Remember, there are no rules of engagement in a real fight except for what is necessary and efficient. The point being: Think before you speak ill about a respectable fighting form that has a different approach to combat. Simple as that.
Jab, thats the punch that your refering to. The Jab isnt a natural or reflexitory punch, most people who havent been trained have arcing or "hook" type punching technique.
ye use that in a straight hard punch..xD i noticed all d attacks were comin from d side..its easy to block it that way..how bout straight ones? howd ya block it
@Hadoukenstra All right, you know I admit that I was too cocky. And I thought that this might be your answer. I used those words before, because one guy was driving me mad. And that is all story, he was talking about my passion and I considered that very personally. I realize that you have to always appreciate your opponent..... but in moment of anger all bad things comes out. For that I am sorry.
we do this all the time at krav maga. i guess you can call it a bone conditioning exercise, but you block wrist-to-wrist, so it actually hurts the attacker more than it hurts you
I do Krav Maga, and I've used this move plenty of times in real-life situations. And every time it proved itself. Of course people don't just do an outside attack (that why we also learn a couple of inside defenses), but this attack is common.. It is mainly used in an emotional/angry attack, because you literally want to smash someones head with your fist. The defense, therefore has to hold a lot of force.. And so it does. This video just doesn't give you the complete picture. Kida, J.
Krav Maga is far more effective than any other fighting style when it comes to self defense. You don't use gloves in training and everything is permitted. In kickboxing for example, you're not allowed to strike to the groin or gauge in the eyes. An experience Krav Maga practitioner will always beat an experience kickboxer. In the ring.. it's a different story though.
1) Hop backwards. 2) Use your forearme to push away their arm as it moves forward. 3) Meet their hand head on by grabbing the fist as it moves forward. If you have strong hands, this can be effective as you twist their fist backwards. 4) Spin forward so that you're facing their extended arm so you can grab it and snap it on your shoulder. Note that the latter is difficult and requires you to be much faster than your opponent.
totally agree!!! ive been boxing competatively for 8 years and had over 40 competitions. but if i was to throw a punch they would not be able to react quick enough. not only that but i wouldnt throw a single shot, i would throw a combination and if quick enough (which it really doesnt have to be that quick) then they will never grab it or stop it ect.
lol, i love how they make it look so easy, like you could watch this a few times and do it. took me 2 years to master a full field of vision, and 5 to master the 360° defense
I actually do Karate but my teacher mixes alot of the other styles of self defence in as well & I can say from experience you do not want to be the person attacking, 'cos when a person blocks using the 360 idea it hurts a lot. Then again, if you muck it up while you're blocking it also hurts a lot.
I've been training Krav for a while and from what I've been told by my instructor is that you block interior attacks with some of the angles from the 360 defence for example when you block from the lower body and of course there are angles for outside attacks as well. Furthermore there are inside defences also. I dont know if you practice Krav Maga but if you do ask your instructor. He'll provide a better explanation than me.
@zaco21 I trained with a guy who had previously done Capoeira and he considered it to be impractical when compared with Krav Maga. The whole idea behind Krav Maga is to discard the rules in a fight (and to assume whoever you're up against is doing the same). The whole point is that it's simple but effective. They do teach how to throw a punch correctly, but also state that a palm heel strike is far more effective. Simply put, any fighting style is not much use if you're effectively disabled.
@theacempire I think what seperates KM from some of the other martial arts discussed (such as those found in MMA), is that the emphasis is on brutality/reality, ie no holds barred, no rules, life or death situations. Techniques are taught through application whereas there is some dogma surrounding traditional MA or even if not, then there is a more sport oriented focus. This means that many techniques people learn are a waste of time because they'd never be able to pull them off under pressure!
A few points: (1) The 360 defense is for outside attacks; inside attacks are typically deflected to the opposite side of the body with more of a "slap". (2) The idea behind the 360 defense is one defense for a variety of attacks -- whether the attack is a downward stab, a wide hook punch, a slash to the body, etc., the mechanics of the block are the same: wrist to wrist, step into the block, use the blade of your arm, and (at higher levels), attack with the opposite hand while blocking.
@OuterHeavenMetal Hello, thank you for your answer! I've been training Kyokushinkai Karate, Kick-Boxing, Thai Boxing and Krav Maga(however, not so much). I also have, as a young, experienced from the street (unfortunately). Hence my assertion. The street battle is fierce. KM has a value, but it is easy to be fooled.
years and years of practice. slowly but surely increasing the speed of strikes. til the majority of the stuff average people throw at you looks like they are throwing it much slower then they really are. its talked about in many martial arts as as if time stands still during a fight. its a pretty amazing experience.
@zaco21 Let's be clear. All self defence systems will claim to be the best. I wasn't specifically referring to the US military (not being American and all), but I believe some branches do use it. If what instructors are claiming is all that you find wrong with it, I think you should at least try it, rather than dismiss it over hype. Seems a bit presumptuous to me. Where I come from, it has little fanfare (due to being virtually unknown).
@zaco21 Krav Maga is easy to pick up. Some instructors will incorporate whatever other styles they've learned into it and encourage you to do the same. In fact, Krav Maga was originally developed from a combination of boxing, wrestling and police self defence techniques and expanded upon from there. Now, I won't knock Jeet Kune Do, having never really seen it , but I doubt that incorporating Capoeira would be of much use except to catch someone off guard. Don't knock it till you've tried it.
@Zain844 You have an amusing view over the fighting world. Krav Maga is a simplified system meant for any encounter, against any opponent, since it is efficient. It was used by Israeli special forces against ALL combatants. I have a whole lot of respect being a person who was a big fan of Pride FC before UFC even became popular. But an MMA fighter does get a good run against someone who is efficient in Krav Maga I assure you. Dont talk down about a fighting system, and give it its due respect
I think that really depends on where you learn krav maga. like with any type of MA the teacher is a factor in ones techniques. some teacher just flat out suck, while others are amazing. as a whole Krav Maga is very basic and very brutal. their idea of a light slap boxing can include everything from full on biting to groin shots. while it might not be as complex or technique difficult its brutality is hard to argue with in a combat situation. though I dont see much need for it outside of combat.
Nothing is perfect and maybe Im misunderstanding the application but my feeling is that outside of training,this blocking style leaves you open to a whole range of attacks. Not a fan of having my arms too far from my body,leaves me vulnerable for direct bull rushing,straight punches,feints and arm bars not to mention losing leverage on my own strikes. How would this blocking method defend Tyson's ducking body hook/head hook 12? I see this block getting you ktfo.
Two things : 1. This kind of defense is present in nearly all martial arts... 2. If someone attacks you that way, you can beat him withour using any martial art movement... No one with a little bit of experience will attack you this way.
this is a basic martial arts exercise, lots of martial arts use it, it's just to train your brain to calmly and unconsciously react to an attack and also builds up technique.
I first learned these as 360 Degree Defenses.against knife attacks, which pretty much will always follow the motions above And yeah if you do it right, it injures the attacker. The block is basically a strike and if you're going 100%, you can cause the knife to fly out of the attacker's arm or even break his arm.
