1. The elder Formans never met with the Runcks (Sherri, Nate, and Gwen) before Leia stayed for the summer. Kitty hasn't known them very well. Sherri looks like someone who wants to move on from Nate and Gwen's dads. 2. Hyde probably just left sometime between the end of That 70's Show and That 90's Show and didn't keep in touch with Kitty and Red despite all they did for him. It's sad that that kind of thing happens in real life. Which is probably why the elder Formans never mention him. 3. Sherri and her kids probably just moved to Point Place which is why they weren't acquainted with the elder Formans despite being next-door neighbors.
Yeah and no it depends my family had one of my close friends they her my sister many time (even at my mom funeral) and my dad and other in the family don't know what they are up to now. And only reason she new about my mom passing was social media that was not a thing in 95. So their are ways they could play it out like that if they wished or as you point out just a character to fill hydes spot in the dynamic of the group chemistry.
Kitty could know but not be telling because it is Hyde's business. She may have even suggested Hyde to tell Sherry about the house next door was for rent so she could keep an eye on Gwen for him. It does not mean she knew Sherry or Gwen. I mean if Hyde was a hookup form sixteen years ago, Sherry could simply not know about kitty, especially if Sherry was married to Nate's dad when she had Gwen. Then when the kids coming around it gave her the chance to befriend Sherry to better keep an eye on things. She did get real friendly real fast with her. Letting her use their shower and bum groceries off of her, etc. Heck even giving the kids the basement, maybe was her way of keeping an eye on Gwen for Hyde.
I've had similar thoughts myself. Gwen has most of Hyde's personality traits and is the one who is meant to fit the mold of one of the original characters. I just thought if that were the case, they would explicitly state that Gwen is Hyde's daughter as Red and Kitty would know about it. They de facto adopted him as part of the family. Gwen partly reminds me of Hyde's sister.
I agree however 20yrs is a long time so alot could happen. They might also know Hyde has a daughter but not know its gwen. if one thing that 70's show taught me is they never stay true to the story arc. examples donna sister or randy just gone at the end
@@scrfypkls Yeah bro he mos def had a fling with Sherry at some point haha I knew it could have been from the get go cuz they havent showed who the fathers of gwen or nate yet. it would also be crazy to find out kelso also had a thing with sherry n nate was his son n Jay finds out Nate is his brother or Casey Kelso could be Nates dad n they could be cousins lmao the kelso were players so the possibillities are endless n now Sherry is dating Fez its kinda just like how Jackie dated all them also haha
@@d-crisis336 See we know for sure nates dad's name! however, I agree Sherry is the deffest Hydes type lol. I just think the fact she's so much like Hyde is something we can pass up!! plus knowing who Hyde's dad is actually just kinda adds to the theory. Plus like iv been saying that the '70s show was not known for its consistent story arcs!
@@scrfypkls Donna actually had 2 sisters in That 70's show. One older than her that was mentioned, and one younger that was shown. Older one was names Valeri, and the younger one Tina
In some ways it makes sense when you consider how Hyde was essentially Eric's best friend and confidant. So the fact that their daughters are now best friends would be quite fitting.
You become different as you get older and older. People change once they become a grandparent. Wouldn’t surprise me if someone like Red would ease up once his children left the nest and got children of their own
I also have said this before, but Gwen being Hyde’s daughter makes perfect sense. They both are similar in terms of character traits. Both are rebellious, anti-establishment, are friends with a Kelso, and both dress in their respective decades. Not to mention her and Leia’s friendship mirrors that of Eric and Hyde’s. The only question I have if this was the case would be, who is her biological mother? Maybe Donna’s old friend and radio colleague, Melissa? I know that this all just a stretch, but it somehow makes sense lol
Oh I 100% agree I know the main thing was a lot of people will say but Hyde is white. However that’s not true so the more you look at it the more you are like wait yes that actually makes sense.
Since Hyde was white passing biracial who believed he was white until he met his bio dad, it would be possible for him to have a darker child. Recessive genes.
I cannot fathom a scenario where Hyde has a child that the foremans (Kitty, Hyde, Donna, and Eric) are unaware of. I dealt with red being surprised by Jay Kelso, but Hyde was kitty’s “second son.”
@@scrfypkls I saw that, It was funny. But did after hearing that did Hyde hurt Kelso's eye because that was the running joke. Hyde and Kelso would get into it and and wrestle around and then Hyde would hurt his eye. lol
If Gwen is Hyde’s daughter, Nate is Kelsos son. I thought he was supposed to be a kelso from the commercials but was surprised when I saw the show. The Jay dude didn’t feel as Kelso to me. They could still write kelso in as his dad.
@@scrfypkls they should have done away with the jay character and made Nate kelsos son. Still not too late with how these shows work. They could play up the mom getting around and have to take a paternity test where they find out that guys not the dad and that kelso banged her.
Hyde was voted most likely to go to prison in high school. She could just be saying she only gets to see him when he is passing through and he is a truck driver when she really only gets to see him ob visiting days.
It actually makes so much sense! I thought she was supposed to be a character similar to Hyde but it never occurred to me that she might be his daughter.
Just want to thank everyone who comments on this video! Really means a lot That '70s show has always been one of my faves shows so I am happy to see so many like-minded people!!!
I like this theory, however I don’t think it makes much sense for Hyde’s character. Hyde grew up with his parents abandoning him, so I don’t think he would do the same thing to his own child. If Hyde did have a daughter, Red and Kitty would’ve definitely known about it because he was practically a second son to the formans .
Umm 🤔 steven hyde cheated on Jackie remember with a nurse who was a black lady so his sister and Donna co worker were not the only black girls on the show there was 3
I think that would've been a better storyline. She could literally say "my dad's in jail" just like jackie had to say in that 70s show. And red and kitty take her in like they did hyde
but first let’s watch the cameos? nah bro we came for one and one thing only. stop tryna drag out videos, your only stunting the growth of your channel by doing this.
I think they could've made it work if they used Masterson's brother, Chris. Hype's character was mostly bearded with shades so they could've made it work like they did when they replaced Laurie
I had the exact same thought a few days after finishing the show. It would be a great way to leave Hyde’s character open ended (without killing him off) It kind of reminds me of Shameless where frank is revealed to be Liam’s biological father despite frank and monica looking fully white
Well considering he's facing sexual charges they probably don't want any details about him at all after the me to movement and all that. It is a bit disappointing how he ended up and the timing but then again it's all fucked. The fact that Kelso and Jackie were married before have a teenage son and they didn't know means they really didn't keep in touch.
She could be Angie’s daughter which could be Hyde’s niece. I mean, because no. I will not accept it ever that Hyde became a dad, especially if he did not ended up with Jackie. No sir. This is how far my imagination will go 😅
Could be adopted and not know. Her "mom" could be friends with Angie and trusted her with her. But I don't think so either. That's going for a bit of a reach. I don't know. 🤷♂️
Hey everyone! I haven’t watched the show since it has disappointed me from the trailer., which eliminated all interest at watching it. From the comments, the mother is introduced. My initial guess was Angie but since the mother is referred to someone else, well then my estimate was wishful. I’m sticking to re-reading the fan fiction storyline of how the characters grew up and evolved. Because That’s 90’s Show is a no for me. Happy watching!
I believe lorie was recasted twice if not three times. I know there are definitely actors that could pull of Hyde character. Honestly I wouldn’t mind 1 episode. That answers where Hyde is. Just a mention would do. Recasting don’t always work. It’s the elephant in the room that should have been addressed in a single shot and moved on . Now it’s just building up tension.
I don’t think Gwen is related to Hyde. And Laurie was mentioned in that 90’s show but not by name. I do think they should bring Hyde in somehow without bringing Danny back considering the charges against him. But a few mentions and some clarity on what he’s up to. The actor and character are not the same and you could maybe even get away with recasting a grown up Hyde or yes bring in his family.
@@scrfypkls yes the two kid comment. I hope they mention her a bit more too. I know the original actress passed away but they could get the actress that was recast in the original show back or if not do what fuller house did and mention her existence a bit more. Anyways I feel like Betsy was retcon at this point but who knows ha. But yes I loved Hyde. Was bummed about Danny but can’t fix actors not Behaving. And if he’s guilty then that’s that. If he’s not which is unlikely then no show should still be associated with him. Anyways…
@@scrfypkls I was thinking 🤔 they could confirmed it by having a picture of the grandpa played by Tim Reid in Gwen room or just having him stopped by to visit. Without mentioning Hyde
The truck driver is only the guy Gwen's mother says is the father, which would be another parallel to Hyde since he also believed someone else was his father
I didn't see it until you explained it. Yes she could be. But wouldn't Red and Kitty know where their foster son would be as a adult? For how maternal Kitty felt about Hyde you would think she would know exactly what he was up to. And she would have to recognize Gwens Mom. I understand where you are coming from but nope I don't believe it enough to say yes for sure.
The biggest reason I have trouble with this is that you would think the Formans would know about her. As much as Steven Hyde was a part of their lives for so long, I cannot imagine he would take off in a truck, have a daughter who lives in Point place, and they would never know about her.
I do get what you are saying however it's been 20yrs! and they are known to have a lot of plot holes when it comes to the story. They showed that even in this series without even talking about jays sister!
I had that thought when it was said. It does sound like something Hyde would do. And seeing that Gwen doesn’t know the Foreman’s and know that they knew Hyde, what’s the point of disclosing his identity any farther? Especially if they probably aren’t going to bring Danny Masterson back, it doesn’t open expectations of seeing him, but at the same time still keeps it vague enough for context. That alone is appreciated to know Hyde’s character is always out there.
Both Gwen and Nate have their moms last name but different dads. That in itself didnt make sense to me. I think it would be more realistic for Hyde to be in prison considering how he was. Hell he went to jail in one episode of that 70s show. It would be easier just to say he died from a drug overdose in the 80s or ended up in prison which isn't far off from the life of the actor that played him. As for Gwens similarities to Hyde, I was a teen in the 90s. Anti-establishment and anarchy was pretty much normal. It's literally the era of grunge and alternative music. I went to school wearing cutoff shorts, flannels, knee high socks and combat boots. All my friends were stoners or skaters or both. On another note, one thing that bugged me about this show was how Jay and Nate kept repeatedly saying bro to each other. That literally was not a 'thing' in the 90s. Thats something that became popular in the early 2000s with teen boys. In the 90s we said the word 'dude' all the time. Hell Ashton Kusher literally starred in a movie called 'Dude where's my car' in 2000. I don't remember ever calling anyone 'bro' like that in the 90s. The movie 'Grown Ups' that came out in 2010 literally had two characters they used to make fun of how teen boys said bro so much to each other. That whole Bro thing just wasn't a thing in the 90s at all end of story. We said "dude'.
It's possible - and could be a hook point to reinsert Hyde if Masterson is found not guilty. However, I am sure they will mention Hyde by name, eventually. It's too big an elephant in the room to omit.
I Hope They bring Up "Midge" Tanya Roberts, and "Lorie " Lisa Robin Kelly Since They Have Transitioned. I feel Like it may Be Too Dark of A Subject To Bring Up.
I’ve always thought Gwen is Hyde’s daughter because of her personality plus Hyde’s dad and sister are black plus Gwen look like Angie Hyde’s half Sister
I thought the exact same thing. We know from science that melanin can skip a generation. The show shameless, even described that when they got a DNA test to see if frank was liam's father. Which he was, spoliler if you havent watched (sorry). But it is scientifically possible for melanin to skip generations. In this case, Hyde had a black father, and the melanin skipped him (leaving him and others believing bud hyde was his father, but was actually william barnett). And now the melanin showed up in gwen.
Haha I actually have been referencing Shameless to other people! Like Liam was born from a white mom and dad Genetics are crazy thing I appreciate this comment!!!
@@scrfypkls not a problem. I didnt realize this was an actual thing until i read a story of a guy who thought his fiance cheated on him. Turns out, his grandmother got pregnant on a cruise from a black man, and the melanin skipped a few generations to his child. The family was bewildered, and i looked into it afterwards to see if it was true or not. Lol
I definitely considered that, she's playing the same role and the mulatto connection seems to hint there's more but she's exactly the type of person you'd have assume Hyde's role if recasting as female.
Honestly? I’m less concerned about Hyde’s whereabouts or anyone related to him than I am about Kelso’s daughter who should be about college-aged by 1995🤔 But tbh I think this is kind of a reach. The writers knew they needed a proxy-Hyde so Gwen was given his characteristics. Her dislike of The Man is very in line with her being Black in the 90s. If anything, I’d believe it if she was really his niece instead but I doubt it.
(A) They could use Danny’s brother to play Hyde. He did play in a few episodes of That 70’s Show. (B) They could skate around it by bringing him up here there and add Angie in an episode. My question are Betsy, (RIP) Laurie, and (RIP) Midge. How will they address them?! 2001 cops didn’t arrest Danny Masterson. 2023 the judge ruled a mistrial for Danny Masterson. On the exact same charges. Could Hyde actually return himself. A cameo ie Kelso & Jackie.
@@Michelle-DiPalo Jurors 10-2 leaning towards acquittal. Maybe on the third go they’ll find people who think he’s guilty. I could be wrong but it seems they’re really trying to lock him up despite what the cops and jurors, people who actually seen-know the evidence, say. Idk
There is nothing wrong with having danny masterson back as hyde. He has not been found guilty of anything. If you think that doesnt matter, ask yourself if it matters if the court finds him guilty or not? And if that means accusations alone without court are sufficient to ruin somebodies career.
Well Chritina Moore died so they'd have to recast the character. And if Daniel Peter Masterson is found not guilty (hes getting retried) then that's how he comes back.
Love it! It makes perfect sense. Don't know why I didn't think of it. The 70s show is one of my comfort show as well. I think most people who were teenagers in the seventies feel the same. I'm currently watching the 90s show again for the 4th time. It's not perfect but what is? It gets better each time I watch it.
I feel that the 13-8 episodes needs to be scrapped when dealing with a sitcom! It sucks all the new kids are getting hate but they are filling some massive shoes!
@@scrfypkls Well it takes that many episodes for the actors to get into a groove together and have good chemistry. That 70's show was not that good until the second half of the first season. The more the actors worked together the better it got, until Topher and Ashton left, anyway.
Mind blown. Thank you, that would be great. It would also mean Gwen's mom only needs to sleep with Michael to have slept with as many original cast as Jackie.
Your theory works. I thought about it when I first saw Gwen. The truck driver job also works as many, NOT ALL, truck drivers have less than stellar backgrounds and several families in several towns.
I agree and honestly like I said he does not want to work for the man. I did not go into super detail but his father owns a chain of music stores. So it’s very possible that he transports the music from store to store.
If we're theorizing the likelihood of secret children from the original cast. What if Nate's dad is actually Casey, Kelso's big brother. Think about it Casey is just as dim witted as Michael although he seems more athletically inclined. I think its possible that since he was in the army, he could have gone back to the military at some point and gotten a posting in Japan. And that is where he took up baseball and went pro. Although the idea that Jay wouldn't know Nate is his cousin maybe a bit of a stretch, but then again given their bond they could just see each other as BFFs rather than typical cousins. And the fact they are related could be the reason why they know each other in the first place.
Some of the kids on this show are just playing new versions of the old characters. Does anyone think the Asian kid isn't playing Fez or the granddaughter isn't Eric ?
That’s a cool theory I believe that Gwen could be part of Hyde in some way too, I believe that he is not his daughter, but maybe a cousin… what if his father or mother have other siblings who had other kids and they had kids in point place or somewhere else that is close to point place. That is possibly . so she will be like 2nd or 3rd cousin to him. That would make more sense.
While there’s always the possibility the Foreman’s aren’t aware of Hyde ever having a daughter, since Hyde is who he is lol, I think Gwen is just supposed to fit the Hyde character in the new friend group. If you notice, they all share very distinct traits to the original friend group, even though we know they aren’t related. It’s just the shows way of trying to make us feel nostalgia, or in other words, sell us the show since most of us were going into it assuming it was gonna be a failure. Anyways, that’s just my take on it. It is a fun a theory though Edit: I’m aware some of them are related to the original friend group but not all
I thought the same thing as I was watching it… since they can’t bring in the actor (because he’s a pos) then bringing in Hyde’s father or sister would be a good alternative.
Yes I think the same!! I’ve been telling this since I watch the whole season in one day hehe… and yes. May be Hyde is not an actual truck driver but it’s what her mom told her because he is in jail or died ( 😢)
I feel like their original intention was to make Gwen Stephen's daughter, however, with all of his legal problems irl they had to cut him out, at least until they are resolved. I believe this was being filmed right at the peak of his troubles and it was simply too late for him to be a part of the show.
I thought about this after watching the new show. I don't think she is meant to be Hyde's daughter but I also think they wrote her in that way on purpose as an option if things change in the future with Danny
I agree it’s why I kinda stated its a good way to tie him into the story. Things change and we know tv shows don’t take them selves to seriously. I mean they have Ozzie with an Apple Watch in the one episode lol
It is a sitcom so the writes would not be to serious. Or would it be the first time a show has done something like this my example is Shameless and Liam
A half black half white parent could have a child that looks more black or more white…which is why Hyde having a black dad and a white mom made sense…but Gwen’s mom is also white so the chances of Gwen being half black favoring the black side genetically is VERY unlikely since both her parents are white although tv does really count as reality so…I mean…maybe yea it’s possible
@@scrfypkls yea lol genetically speaking it isn’t possible but honestly I think that maybe the plan was to have Gwen as Hyde’s daughter but since Danny wasn’t coming back they went a different direction.
I definitely felt like Gwen was somehow representing Hyde, as in being a sort of stand-in for his character. But if she is truly his daughter... well, given that he wound up living in the Formans' basement for a while, it is kind of odd that two and two are never put together.
I think your theory is the most valid and it would make a great part of the show. In fact it could very well come out eventually that Hyde is her father. As stupid as it sounds they could always recast Hyde too or maybe his voice over the phone since he's a truck driver....
@@nathanstokes9492 I'm sad they did a sloppy job with her “new dad.” It would have been easy to recast as if the truth was near the show's end. Hyde just became a bearded guy with sunglasses.
I think it'd be awesome if red and kitty walked in on the amped up kids tuning in to the premiere of a new nostalgic show .... "that 70s show" like us 90s kids actually did ! even better if Red said turn this crap off ! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That would be a good joke for the eventual series finale. Like have that be the scene to close out the franchise for good. Or better yet, make it a reference to That 80s Show. Having Red say turn this crap off would be more fitting 😂
I think that unfortunately, that the actor playing hyde has been known too have sexual unwanted advances towards woman and they don't want too offend any people by bringing him on, so it's kinda sad since he was a large part of the show but I only think we will hear of him in conversations but that will be it maybe in the future he might make a small tiny cameo.
@@maggiesalem4737 it really comes down to seasons are to short for sitcoms and the 20min format: it works for things like the Witcher and more serious shows that’s are and hour+
@GreenisGood this was insanely well written! I legit could not agree more. Binge watch a season with 8 episodes to just wait 1+yrs for another 8 that hardley touches the story and drives it forward!! Thank you for the comment!!!!
No, they need to bring back Danny Masterson. He was the coolest character on the show. They had everyone but him and he was a main character. I don't care what the man did in real life, give him another chance.
Excellent video. I love watching "That 70's Show" because I grew up in the 70s (I've figure I'm about 10 years younger than Eric Forman), and it takes me back. I have to admit, my Dad--God rest his soul--was pretty much like Red Forman, and I was--probably still am--kinda nerdy, but it all worked out.
I sat on watch the show just been watching previews but she is definitely the hyde type for this group of friends. And I could definitely see it. Seems silly but it's comedy tv so it's possible. 70s show was my comfort show for the decade after it came out have watched so many times.
This is a great theory and may be their unkept secret for the show. But even if they don’t address it i can’t look at their character any differently until they make it known who her father actually is in the show.
Gwen could be Hyde niece. Hyde has a half sister. But. As an honorable mention. Towards Hyde the character. Every circle and the bag found in that crate. Was a bag left behind by hyde.
She's definitely inspired by Hyde. I think all the new characters are based on the old ones, some more loosely than others. However, here's the one issue with your theory; though plausible, and maybe even more than that, do you think they would ever acknowledge Hyde as her father or at all? Personally, I wouldn't think it would be a problem to do so, since Steven Hyde is a character. Sure, you'd never be able to have him be on the show, but mentioning him shouldn't be a problem, I wouldn't think. We'll see though.
