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00:00 Why Am I Showing You This?
00:53 Glueing Up the Blank
01:48 Mistake 1
01:59 Mistake 2
02:43 Mistake 3
03:58 Mistake 4
04:15 My policy regarding mistakes
05:06 Mistake 5
06:10 Mistake 6
06:55 Look at that Backside Sandpaper!
07:32 Mistake 7
08:39 Review of both Lazy Susans
09:22 Are Lazy Susans Loud?
10:28 This is what happens if you don't plan
Even the simplest project can be sabotaged by poor planning. I recently had a Guild Apprentice in the shop (hi, Mat!). We worked so well together that the table we were building was finished two days early. To help fill the gap, a recently-requested lazy susan project seemed like it would fit the bill. In truth, I hadn't fully worked out the details yet. However, I assumed we could just wing it and figure it out as we go. Unfortunately, that was a very bad idea! While a lazy susan is very simple in concept, it can actually get quite complex if you decide to make the top and bottom different diameters. You can further muddy the water by making a recess in the top so that there's a nice lip around the edge. Add to that a desire to recess the hardware into both pieces and you have a recipe for disaster if you aren't thinking ahead.
I truly considering not posting this video at all as it lays bare some major flaws in my decision-making. But pretending things like this never happen really doesn't do you any favors, especially if you're just starting out. Mistakes happen to all of us. We are all capable of having a bad day in the shop. The key is to understand why the mistakes happen and to learn how to prevent them in the future. It's also important to realize that when mistakes start to compound, it's best to just walk away. You can always tackle those problems the next day with a fresh set of eyes.
If you're interested in building one of these lazy susans, here's the hardware I used: TamBee 10" Lay Susan Hardware Please note that if you plan to use this hardware you'll need to use small washers to raise the hardware above the surface allowing the rings to spin.
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@woodwhisperer 3 месяца назад

Get yourself some of that sweet backside.....BACKSIDE SANDPAPER! backsidesandpaper.com/

@xuthnet 3 месяца назад

Note that there are two different types of lazy susan on the amazon page you linked to. I've bought both of them over the years (although from a different amazon "store"). What they're now calling commercial is what you wanted (as opposed to the "heavy duty"). The internal bearings are far better and the two rings are offset from each other so you don't need the washers.

@Marcus_Caius 3 месяца назад

I have a two strikes rule. Then I go get a fresh coffee, sit and meditate on my mistakes. Sometimes for days 🤣

@misinformationwithrandy 3 месяца назад

Same! This is the part of the video that resonated with me as well.

@kingyfpv4787 3 месяца назад

Going through this at the moment 😢😅😂

@MCsCreations 3 месяца назад

Or beer... Both works well, depending on the case.

@bwhite220 3 месяца назад

Same! …except sometimes I go weeks. Haha

@agcons 3 месяца назад

It's like the "black cloud" that seems to be above me every so often. The coffee grounds spill on the floor, then I dump the water on the floor, then I drop a cup . . . time to sit on the chesterfield for a while.

@MWAWoodworks 3 месяца назад

This is the thumbnail the world didn't ask for, but needed.

@timcottom8397 3 месяца назад

Hi Mark, Tim here. I have watched your channel for years. When I started watching woodworking videos, I was puzzled by, no one's shop ever looked as messy as mine, after finishing a project. 😢 So when someone shows their mistakes it really is a good thing!!! I now realize there is a lot of editing that goes into the videos. I also am an experienced maker, and very much enjoy making a mess! Keep up the great work, Timothy.

@pjd-sng 3 месяца назад

Including your mistakes on a successful project is great for anyone who watches and learns from you- it helps us understand we don't need to be perfect every time. Posting mistakes on a project that kicked your butt (although you did finish it successfully) is going the extra mile- and to our (the viewers) benefit. Next time I have a project which goes completely pear-shaped, I'll remember this video. Apart from the lessons you mentioned, it is reassuring to be reminded that even the best of us can make, and sometimes compound, mistakes.

@psguardian 3 месяца назад

This really highlights the fact that simple does not always mean easy.

@ChrisHornberger 3 месяца назад

My day job, I'm a software developer. Simple rarely means easy, for sure. If the user sees a simple thing, that means the programmer worked very, very hard. :)

@steveh8724 3 месяца назад

It's worse than that. Simple generally doesn't mean simple. And unless you've done the same thing before (preferably many times and recently) it's never truly easy.

@AlexLeff 3 месяца назад

Dude. Been there. Different hardware but the whole "how hard can two circles be" was exactly my experience building one for our kitchen some years back. Oof.

@mariondorsett 3 месяца назад

I feel like this is an opportunity to say, “If I had those fancy expensive tools I could make those mistakes too.” But I think I do make some of those mistakes with my budget tools :) Thanks for sharing. I didn’t consciously realize it, but after a certain amount of mistakes I do stop and reevaluate the project. I have found that simple projects seem to be the tricky ones to get right.

@5280Woodworking 3 месяца назад

I’ll take a mistakes video with actual woodworking any day over the other “review” and “sponsor” garbage. Mistakes were made, lessons learned, asses we’re kicked, great video.

@LPerez7276 3 месяца назад

Good to see that Mark still plays with his little dollies

@beeflow2638 3 месяца назад

In machining, we sometimes encountered "jinx jobs" where the planning, supplies, and execution were buggier than a forgotten picnic basket - and the whole thing only revealed itself slowly. I loved watching young leads and foreman slowly come to accept the fact the jobs were cursed.

@dian3145 3 месяца назад

I have a 2strike rule! It’s at that point where I lose all ability to look forward, and can only think about the mistakes. I go pet the cats. Thanks for sharing that even a master can be vulnerable.

@Reign_In_Blood_963 3 месяца назад

Well at least you are not so frightened of making mistakes that you can't even get started on a project. Honestly, this is what people like me need to see.

@DarrenPoulson 3 месяца назад

The R2 builders club are quite experienced with those lazy susan bearings. :) They can be quite noisy. Enough so that its a common practice in the club to dismantle them and polish the race, and even replace the ball bearings with delrin ones.

@WalterRiggs 3 месяца назад

The rule in my shop is when I feel like hurling the project against the wall, I quit and take a weekend.

@no_goo 3 месяца назад

😂. I relate to this the most!

@Mike.DeNinno 3 месяца назад

My preferred method of cutting circles is using the jig Norm had for the bandsaw. Super easy and you can make any size you want want without a template.

@gz2251 3 месяца назад

The old adage says " we learn from our mistakes." You did a great job of showing that even the presenters that we've placed on pedestals ( yours is a curly maple and burled mesquite) can and do make mistakes. And you filming helps us not make them, and also lends credibility that you're just not another pretty face, but a true woodworker.

@TernaryHound 3 месяца назад

We've all had that day in the shop when everything goes wrong and even simple stuff like which end of the chisel goes in the wood becomes foggy. The three strikes rule is great and I'll be adhering to it now that I've heard it.

@RonPerreault 3 месяца назад

This is precisely why I love my CNC

@woodwhisperer 3 месяца назад

Haha because there are no mistakes to be had there. :)

@RonPerreault 3 месяца назад

@@woodwhisperer your right about that! thats why I have a box of shame for all the destroyed bits.

@jakeschmautzful 3 месяца назад

My dad and I would watch The New Yankee Workshop with Norm A. One particular complex build, Norm had just made another perfect miter joint and my dad turned to me and said (sarcastically) "another perfect fit" It was so funny because we were not good woodworkers at the time and most of our joints/miters were not great. Thanks for showing us mistakes happen to everyone. I think it makes people relate to you and feel better about themselves in the wood shop because it happens to all of us!!

@CaptainKseadog1 3 месяца назад

Learning from your mistakes is part of the process. Hiding or fixing your mistakes is the journey to a master.

@SM-qx1wc 3 месяца назад

I have this exact experience every time I try to get lazy in the shop. I always regret it.

@Conan_Obrien 3 месяца назад

That Predator "Have Me Some Fun..." meme was hysterical. Prime usage sir, well done.

@DerekRoff 3 месяца назад

Great video! Thanks for sharing such a good example of how failing to plan thoroughly can be the beginning of an avalanche of problems.

@patrickbink4617 3 месяца назад

I had one of those once. But the new one (of 15+ years) keeps so busy I have a hard time keeping up with her! BTW, I loved the video. That router sled rocks!

@aaroncashion7570 3 месяца назад

Always have appreciated the master showing his errors. We all make them and it makes me feel like less a loser.

@garyhome7101 3 месяца назад

I might have tried this on my CNC. A bit more control over the router and centering is a tad easier. Not that CNC is the answer for mistake and error correction, it could perform on this project with less worry about templates.

@woodrowsmith3400 3 месяца назад

Editing can make the worst project look fantastic. Thank you so much for showing mistakes, frustrations and general ineptitude. It makes you so much more human, likable and understandable. You had SNAFU'S yet salvaged the day and kept the project from going FUBAR. I have 'walked away' from many. Came back a day...or three...with a better idea and understanding. Even reverse engineering can bite you in the ass. Just walk away...BUT...come back and finish is the primary lesson today. Well done!

@fin3125 3 месяца назад

I just walk in from the shop with the exact same issue. It was a simple project. Scrap bin shelf. One error just built on top the others. This hasn't happened in years and then I see your show...😂

@BuildwithMooney 3 месяца назад

So you are a human woodworker like most of us! 🤣 I appreciate you sharing your mistakes, because we all know as woodworkers EVERY build has its challenges in my experiences, some are more challenging than others.

@Thesaltymaker 3 месяца назад

I love this. It’s the same as my “quick builds”

@glencrandall7051 3 месяца назад

Poor planning, no planning, been there, done that. Three strikes and you're out, of the shop that is. That's my rule too. I understand why you soldiered on. Sometimes you just have to. Thank you for sharing the video. I think we all learned from it. At least you got two Lazy Susan's in the end. They look very nice. Tomorrow will be better.🙂🙂

@chillertechtexas4375 3 месяца назад

Glad to see I'm not the only one lol. Looks great in the end.

@joeywelch-ud8yr 3 месяца назад

I try really really hard not to make mistakes, but I do make a lot of design changes in the process:). When I was teaching flying, a student asked me how I made so few mistakes. I replied, "experience". He asked me how I got so much experience. I replied, "by making a lot of mistakes".

@steveh8724 3 месяца назад

The project didn't do this TO you, YOU did it to the project! 🙂 Several months ago I looked into circular bearings for lazy susans, after reading the reviews on Amazon, I came across the same issues you cite (lack of clearance, relatively stiff, noisy). I think some of these are really intended to support much heavier loads that need to be turned slowly on occasion. I'm very glad you decided to share the video, we've all been there, or somewhere similar. Finally I definitely liked you advice regarding when to call it a day (or night) if errors or near misses are accumulating.

@mattelias721 3 месяца назад

I appreciate you posting this in spite of your hesitancy. It made me feel better about my multi-mistake sessions in my shop... and they happen. Or my brain just won't math. Or something. It usually happens when I'm doing something I've never tried before, but there are other non-shop factors that you never realize are fighting for your mental bandwidth until well after the fact. Extra points for sending Picard into hyperspace.

@AngieWilliamsDesigns 3 месяца назад

I like your three strike rule for mistakes. Thank you for sharing your mistakes with us though. It does help us all learn. I like the walnut one!

@Liriq 3 месяца назад

We all have those days. But you're a better man than I for telling us about it, and in detail. Learned and enjoyed

@wieland12 3 месяца назад

OMG this video was right on time in my woodworking life. I love watching your work and have learned a lot, thank you. My latest project was a small end table. I saw it on grizzle’s youtube channel and the plan was free and Ii saw it as a skill builder project. There were temples and lap joints and circle jigs. Stuff I have seen but never done. So seeing you make mistakes made me understand that mistakes are all part of the craft. So thank you so much.

@ronh9384 3 месяца назад

They turned out great. Thanks for sharing, mistakes and all. It was a learning experience for all of us…

@godisgoodwoodworks4801 3 месяца назад

Marc, thanks for not taking yourself so seriously that you would never consider showing us a project that was a struggle essentially from start to finish. Going forward, the next time I goof in the shop and that inner voice says "The Wood Whisperer could never do something that dumb. What were you thinking?" I'll respond with "Are you sure about that?" Your content is different than all other makers, and one of the best in the genre.

@chodgson 3 месяца назад

Lee valley sells a different style of lazy susan bearing that I think is a bit quieter. Also, you only need one screw hole in the bottom, you can just spin it around to each spot. Still beautiful results and you always tell a great story no matter how you get to the end of the project :)

@mcarendt 3 месяца назад

Hey, thanks for not bailing! As for the noise, Silcone lube (WD-40 Silicone is my go-to) works wonders on ball bearing drawer slides. I imagine it’ll help here as well.

@jimkonrad2528 3 месяца назад

I appreciated and respected the video. When I make a mistake during woodworking, I often wonder “do other people make the same, silly mistakes as I do”? I appreciate the honesty and transparency!

@jaayjones5937 3 месяца назад

You've encouraged me to make some new videos. I make a lot of mistakes, my shop motto is "Mistakes made while you wait."

@AB-nu5we 3 месяца назад

Woodworking is pain. (but worth it). Thanks for sharing. You can always resort to making chipper 'food' for bedding, and of course, the burn pile.

@MCsCreations 3 месяца назад

Well... Even with the mistakes, they turned out amazing, Marc! Really beautiful work! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@willgould9739 3 месяца назад

This is the exact project I was trying to start last weekend. I was going to just route out a ring groove for the hardware to recess into, but couldn’t figure out how I wanted to do it so I planted some plants instead…. I still don’t know how I want to do it but my front yard looks better. Thanks for keeping the video!

@nsanerydah 3 месяца назад

Like the backside item. Great video where everything isn't perfect! Keep up the great work.

@MAKEITSF 3 месяца назад

I made 6 lazy Susan’s for Christmas gifts, except mine were single level. I ran into similar issues with dumb router errors. I believe I used the same hardware as well. They were finicky, had no screws included, and no directions. I ended up adding spacers to mine, like you did, but I just attached rubber feet to the bottom ring. A few drops of oil on the bearings will help it to turn smoother and quieter.

@AaronWood77 3 месяца назад

This felt very relatable! Round things are such a pain to deal with. I’ve spent hours working on jigs that allow me to cut a bunch of plywood circles with a precise rectangle cut out of the middle of them… Work holding, order of operations, and how to keep things centered as you move from one jig to another… it’s really a lot of planning!

@scottgates4616 3 месяца назад

Excellent video. I learned about the template cross hairs. More importantly, I was reminded that we all have bad days and can't get out of our own way sometimes, even the most advanced experts. You gave great advice to have a system to recognize when things are going off course and when to stop and regroup. I'm thankful that you posted it.

@raydriver7300 3 месяца назад

This is one of the great joys of this community - the willingness to share every part of the process, the good and not so good. Turned out all right in the end. Thank you for sharing 🌞

@MichaelCoolidge 3 месяца назад

Yes. For me, a third mistake in a day commonly means there is blood on the project. I stop at 2.

@jimwiskus8862 3 месяца назад

I’d have been in a pool of blood. You did just fine and showed that even when the train goes off the rails, it can be fixed.

@TheMixmastamike1000 3 месяца назад

This video was awesome and they turned out great. Just a heads up this is what wood working looks like for most of us all the time.

@c.a.g.1977 3 месяца назад

Thank you for sharing, Mark, owning up to your mistakes is Step 5 of the WWA: "How Admitting Your Wrongs Can Propel Your Recovery" 😉 Hope Lazy Susan still works when she's loaded... 😄

@tianyi05 3 месяца назад

We all try to serve as an example, sometimes we are bad examples. You only learn from your mistakes. If you didn't make any mistakes you didn't learn anything new.

@FreeLander5280 3 месяца назад

Omg the video "Inlays" were hysterical. 😂

@definfected 3 месяца назад

I love seeing how you get through your mistakes no matter how many. Thanks for sharing!! Much ❤ Marc!!

@Ticky66MN 3 месяца назад

Yes, thank you for sharing Marc. The struggle is real for all of us at times. For me, circles is one of those as well.

@vbikcl 3 месяца назад

The three strike rule with mistakes really resonated with me. I don't have a specific strike count but at a certain point I know I have to put the project down and press a reset button on my headspace as well as environment. I've learned that certain tasks are fine when working under some time pressure or time constraint, while others are best left to having an open runway of time so you can really think through the task and triple check things before committing.

@brianbrinegar6086 3 месяца назад

Great video! Please retrofit a lazy Susan into a base corner cabinet for us!!!

@MJLWoodWorks 3 месяца назад

Mistakes are only times for learning. Thanks Marc! I have a dog house build going on that I was recording, I shot myself in the finger with a 16 gauge nail gun attaching a piece of trim. You see me jump then you hear the nail gun shoot two more nail in before I went and stopped the bleeding... In that case, I should have stopped after nail "strike" 1. lol

@al1843 3 месяца назад

Bailing and going on a bike ride is always the right thing to do. In every situation!

@bushman4124 3 месяца назад

Thank you for showing the mistakes, i thought it was me, that walks away sometimes for weeks. it is reassuring to see and read that more people suffer with the same problems sometimes, maybe not as much as me , but stil...! so it was overall a very good learning video and it gave me more confident.

@lornesteed2417 3 месяца назад

Thank you ! I feel so much better now, having fucked up royally yesterday. It"s nice to know that we are all just human and mistakes are definitely going to happen; especially when proper planning was left out of the process. Great video - thanks again for posting.

@marusrekers5956 3 месяца назад

Thank you, thank you, thank you for being honest and showing us your mistakes. As a novice woodworker, I can get a little hard on myself about those inevitable mistakes that I make. It is heartening to see that even the pros make mistakes and have off days.

@BubbaPat 3 месяца назад

Maybe.. as an apprentice style learning... follow your original thought... 3 your out. Then both go sit down, grab a sheet of paper and write out the mistakes and how to avoid them. You both learn good planning. I LOVE your mistakes. They show me that I can make them and recover.

@MrErViLi 3 месяца назад

Home depot carries pretty descent 12" lazy susan mechanisms. I've used them several times. Those don't sound that loud.

@grantman1148 3 месяца назад

I've built a half dozen lazy susans but never recessed the top or the bottom; just left it flat. I've used that same hardware and I do screw it directly to the top but don't tighten it down all the way. You do have to leave just a little slack in it for it to spin. There must be so many bearings inside that they don't spin as fast as I remember when I was a kid with my mom's lazy susan. I've also used the double-ring hardware but it's not as elegant as these new Chinese bearing rings. Good to see you work through the %##$!!# that happens in the shop; it certainly happens to all of us.

@tiladx 3 месяца назад

I think it is great when someone who is vadtly more skilled than me can show where they made mistakes. It teaches me what to look for and what not to do, as well as reminding us that we are all human and sometimes things just get FUBAR.

@briannelson4122 3 месяца назад

Welcome to my world.....I never plan out my projects, even though I know that's a dumb way to go about it. I'll start something and make it out of plywood or a more inexpensive species, just to make my mistakes on the first model before I use the expensive wood. The problem is I get so frustrated with it that I never go beyond the first iteration. I shouldn't say always but, it's happened more than I care to admit. It always comes out fine, just not flawless in the execution. Thanks for the video, It shows even the pro's have the same issues if they just "jump into it" without a plan.

@davidschuster3623 3 месяца назад

Thank you for sharing, if for no other reason than to make me feel better, to know that "RU-vidrs" make stupid mistakes also!

@claudestewart5465 3 месяца назад

I enjoyed watching all your mistakes. I make mistakes on every project but there is always a way to save them. The one I remember is one leg of the school desk project you made during Covid. I oved that around around my shop for 3 years before I let my friends grandson have it so could figure out something to do with it.

@mek90703 3 месяца назад

Dude , I love it when you make mistakes and then fix them. That's how us idiots learn! I remember being able to talk to Norm at a home show and one of his regrets of New Yankee was not showing more errors on the show and fixing them. BTW, your lazy susan hardware is loud. The one I made is pretty quiet, however the one I made isn't as intricate as yours. Great video!

@ConjuringChris 3 месяца назад

Awesome. Loved it! Funniest video you've made for RU-vid yet. Keep embracing projects you haven't tried.

@curbshooter 3 месяца назад

Thanks for showing mistakes. Makes me feel better that I'm not alone.

@zafarsyed6437 3 месяца назад

Lazy susans can be tricky, but that's why after you find 1 method that works, you NEVER EVER CHANGE!!

@penchant4 3 месяца назад

Noise sounds about right...OR...mine sound wrong, too. Great video.

@woodworks2123 3 месяца назад

It happens to us all mate and it's almost always on the "easy" stuff. Glad you keep mistakes in. Makes your videos much more relatable. I've used those exact lazy Susan bearings and there are good and not so good ones. They do seem a bit loud, I got mine from Amazon and they were the same but got a different set that looked exactly the same but you could feel the difference in quality when you handled it which was much quieter.

@CoreyShockey 3 месяца назад

I admit, I saw the short first, and has to see the full version. I think we have all been there. That special place for creators where the work and results just aren't adding up.

@nerknerk8834 3 месяца назад

" Two simple circles " ! SIMPLE is the best friend of mistakes.

@markcummins8061 3 месяца назад

Enjoyed the vid. I love to see issues like these. Means you're human and shows that im not the only one jacking up projects AND i learn a ton. Thanks

@markhendrix745 3 месяца назад

I have go to say i am really really glad to see you getting back to making projects. thank you for that.

@Erik_The_Viking 3 месяца назад

I appreciate you showing your mistakes, along with the lessons learned from them, as they're informative and provide us with ideas on how to prevent and mitigate them for future projects. We all learn from our mistakes, and no one is perfect. I have a similar 3-strikes rule as well, when at that point I take a step back and determine what happened.

@colinnicol9447 3 месяца назад

You will learn much more from your mistakes than building a mistake free project. We don’t see mistakes anymore because most carpenter uploads are built and finalised on a computer programme. All they do is pump out a cutting list and do an IKEA build.

@Bob_Adkins 3 месяца назад

A compass could have prevented some of the problems. All the circles would be referenced from the same precise center so everything's concentric.

@markduggan3451 3 месяца назад

That was a very honest video, which helped me with what I'm attempting at the moment. Thank you.

@ibdavidc 3 месяца назад

Niced work. They sound fine. And thanks for showing the misteaks; they teach perhaps better than perfection.

@barryomahony4983 3 месяца назад

Having recently purchased a hobby-grade CNC, I couldn't help feeling a little smug watching this. 😉

@thomlipiczky9021 3 месяца назад

As always, extremely instructive as well as entertaining! You're a terrific teacher! I bet Matt's first few days in the shop with you went much more smoothly. Thanks for showing mistakes as well as successes!

@studiogerk 3 месяца назад

So you're saying that a Lazy Susan is not a good beginner's project like everyone else says it is ;) (I have to agree, circles and all). Nice to see you sharing the whole deal. I think one of the most important things about these kinds of projects is not how well you build them but how well you recover from the mistakes!

@kenburnette1121 3 месяца назад

I learn more from mistakes. Love the 3 strikes rule.

@1320crusier 3 месяца назад

Ah, the ole execution of the fundamentals. There's a little league baseball coach yelling about that somewhere.

@nocandopdx 3 месяца назад

I never make mistakes, everything always turns out perfect without flaws. Though my projects have plenty of what I call "character".

@mattomon1045 3 месяца назад

great Lazy Susan Mark .

@CoyoteRoseCreations Месяц назад

I do something similar, 1 mistake is no big deal, it happens, 2 mistakes gets a cup of coffee/tea while I calm down and make sure I'm in a good headspace and not getting upset, mistake 3 has me walking away (might not be per day, might just be in a project, a day, an hour, whatever, just depends on how I'm feeling)