I am a Batfleck Enjoyer! | BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE Reaction 

Yo! A reminder! Don’t be a toxic butthole! It’s a movie, and it’s ok for us to disagree on things. Being a jerk about it is stupid

I’ve always interpreted the Martha scene as less of the name actually meaning anything and more that Batman realizes that he’s about to murder someone who wants nothing more than for his mom to be safe. The spear he’s holding has become the gun that killed his parents, and he realizes that he’s no better than the man who killed his parents. It’s super rushed and needed to be fleshed out more but I’ve always liked the attempt.

He's just telling Martha that he's a friend in the sense that he's there to help on Superman's behalf, not that they go to ballgames together.

Remember if you watch justice league it’s “Zack snyders justice league” not the theatrical cut….trust me lol

To answer your question about Lex, he’s actually based on the version introduced in the comic Superman: Birthright where Lex is younger, has long orange hair and is a lot more twitchy. Eisenbergs portrayal is essentially “what if the smartest man in the world was unable to run his brain off”. they spoke about it more in the behind the scenes of the film

So my understanding of Bruce in this movie was he became cruel after Joker killed Robin. I also may be misremembering, but i thought Snyder said Dick Grayson was the Robin killed. As for Batman going completely nuts over Superman without proper research, he saw the absolute devastation that Zod and Superman's fight delivered to Metropolis. From Bruce's perspective on the ground, he just saw 2 alien beings leveling a city with no regard for innocent lives. Bruce just saw them fight and then saw the aftermath and that pushed him beyond even his limits of reason.

There have been several versions of Lex like this. A man that sees everything, his brain never shutting off, too smart for his own good. Anyone living like that, being forced to live like that would be enough to drive anyone mad. Glad you enjoyed Ben Affleck as Batman, part of me wished we would have gotten the Batman in Arkham movie that was to have starred Ben. I think it would have been epic.

It’s all in Ben’s face and eyes. When he learns Martha is also Clark’s mothers name it makes Clark human and he realizes he has become everything he’s fought against for twenty years

This batman is one of the most darkest. Full of hate, anger and uncofidence. Veteran almost 20 years so it's logical that to see the presence and destruction that Superman makes indirectly to save the world (he don't see that) thinks that it's an enemy. To see him like a human, who loves and has a family, a mother, turned to be the real batman that has to be through the beginning of his life has a hero. Superman's death makes Batman returns again.

I just don't get why when Batman says "I'm a fried of your son's", they take it to mean he was being literal. I always took it as playful banter. As for the Martha scene. ALL Batman movies prior focused on Bruce's relationship with his father, especially Batman Forever and Batman Begins. This movie from the onset focused on Bruce's relationship with his mother - Martha. So when the Martha scene happened, it was not weird to me. I was like OMG Superman's mother's name is Martha as well. Batman's sudden change of heart I took to mean that he was going to kill someone who had a mother, a mother who's name is Martha, just like his, just like his mother was taken from him. At that moment he realized he was becoming the person he swore to stop

I think the Martha thing is best explained that, if you recall, he referred to Superman as “an alien” or “not even a man” throughout the movie and that moment simply humanized Superman and broke Bruce from his fever dream

Lmao also a thing i associate with how quick Bruce and Clark got along good after the "almost killing you" thing, sure theres ALOT of context in between, but also its just a guy thing 🤷👏😂 We can squash beef and be bros all within the span of few minutes, so its just something i knew from experience so i went with it lol Sorry but women tend to hold hella grudges for a loooong time 😅 ALSO Yes Superman/Clark Kent died.

The Ultimate cut adds so much over the theatrical cut. I remember a lot of people not even understanding the theatrical cut as much of Lex's plans and set- ups were left out (or rather off screen). It also made Superman appear as much more of a villain, while Batman was the good guy. In the Ultimate cut it's more or less the reverse.

Zack Snyder modeled his Lex Luthor on Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk. It is an allegory for modern day America.

Superman always dies fighting Doomsday, he's known as "the monster who killed Superman". Back in the day when a comic called "The death of Superman" was published, DC comics went dark on Superman making many believe that they weren't going to make any more Superman comics, and that sparked a nationwide outcry from comic book fans "bring Superman back", it was basically a whole "you don't know what you have until it's gone" thing.

Also: no, this isn’t how Superman and Batman are typically seen behaving when the first meet in the comics

People forget that Bruce is a highly traumatized person with serious psychological issues. The fact that him getting another chance to save Martha, whom he immediately conflates with his own mother, immediately makes him view Superman as an ally through Martha, makes total sense. Just the mere mention of his mother's name takes him back to that alley. He becomes an impressionable kid again.

About the xenophobia that you picked up on, it was a very heavy inspiration for this movie. The writers wanted to base this on the post 9/11 state of America. Batman’s trauma and PTSD from the metropolis destruction led him into a state of paranoia. It’s why Batman even more than lex is the villain of this movie. He’s killing people, acting reckless, and the writers saw the xenophobia that sprouted as a result of 9/11 and projected that onto Batman. It’s what Alfred was talking about with “the fever, the rage the feeling of powerlessness; It turns good men cruel.” Batman was so shaken that he turned into someone who was no better than Joe Chill. He’s dehumanizing Superman, doing this weird hyper violent branding and doesn’t care about who dies in his warpath even though believing in the humanity of others and believing in redemption is a core aspect of who Batman is. It’s only when he realizes that he’s about to condemn superman’s mom to death in the same way that his mom died that he realizes that he’s become a monster.

please tell me this is the extended cut, as that version helps you understand some of the things going on with lexs plan while the normal version cuts alot of that out

Hot take: I really love this Lex Luthor portrayal. I get it's not comic accurate (at least, not to main continuity Lex) but it's so well done for what it's trying to do. This version of Lex is stunted. His trauma has completely overtaken him to the point where he's bitter, angry, and alone. He views the world as owing him because no one did anything to protect him from the abuse he experienced in his childhood. He subsequently morphs that into a hatred of anyone or anything that has power over him. Which I feel embodies Lex Luthor to a tee.

😂 never forget that Lex blames superman for his baldness from when lex kept on messing around with kryptonite 😂😂😂😂

I love Jessie's Lex, personally. He's just as confident and scheming, but his personal flaws are presented much more on the surface. It's a fun take on the character.

I was actually really hoping you’d react to this so I’m very happy to see this!

supermans fighting style is reactive he waits til something happens and saves the day. Batman is proactive he sees a threat and tries to prevent it. He could see that Superman could potentially destroy the world if he wanted to so he was a threat. even if he hadnt yet he could so he needed to eliminate the threat. Then once he realized Superman grew up with a mom on earth and could relate to his humanity. He no longer saw him as a threat to the world. So they have common groound and no beef they can be friends

Please tell me this was the Ultimate Edition, the ONLY edition worth watching

"Batman and Superman should have a coffee." You know, I thought the same thing. Maybe that's... **puts shades on** How It Should Have Ended. (If you know, you know. Lol)

Lmao that Lex reaction was great.

Doomsday is one of Supermans most iconic villains

I had one of the best movie experiences of my life the second time I watched this. I watched it once, though it was ok, liked the same things and had the same issues with it as you. About a year later it was on tv one afternoon and I put it on with my wife there. I figured she would have the same reaction as me, I hadn't pushed her to see it before then which I would've if I thought it was a great movie. The thing about my wife and movies is that she doesn't do spoilers. None. Doesn't watch trailers or ads or read anything. She wants to go into a movie knowing nothing. So we're watching most of it and she's thinking it's ok, just like me. We get to the scene where Bruce sees the picture of Diana in WW1 and my wife turns to me with an astonished face and says "Is that Wonder Woman?". And tears start streaming down her face. After years of watching and enjoying all the MCU and DC movies her favorite female hero from her childhood was finally on the screen and she cried. A lot. It was a powerful moment and I'm tearing up just writing about it now. Representation in films matters.

A lot of people think Bruce spared Clark cause their mom’s have the same name. That was what snapped him out of his mania. It was the fact that this so called evil god, his last words weren’t for mercy, but to save someone else. You can even see Affleck dart his eyes around as he’s thinking, like, “Ohhh godammit I’ve been played”

Ben Affleck Robin who died was Dick Grayson so his death hit harder then Jason Todd because with him losing Jason Todd he lost a partner. By Bruce losing Dick Grayson he lost son. Also after you watch The Batman series you should get into the Fox Gotham TV series it has the best interpretation of Batman villains in it I've ever seen. It also makes a good viewing prequel series to DC's Titans and the Doom Patrol series.

NoooOoooOoOOO you don’t understand the epic ness- Nah it’s alright. Glad you enjoyed the parts you did even if I’m gonna have to downgrade your Snydercult membership to entry level. ;) On ways! To … maybe Suicide squad, or else ZSJL!

Superman is my favorite superhero of all-time ever since Christopher Reeves. Not the o donner cut but the other one. I absolutely love this movie. I even like the cereal the had for the movie. Wonder Woman is my favorite female superhero. For me and the rest of the world. I love Gal Gadot.

YES! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG!

I have been waiting for this 😊

Hi Meg hope you are having an great and awesome day ❤

Your reaction was genuine af. It was my reaction also watching it for the first time. It wasnt great but it definitely wasnt bad. A solid 7/10

I don’t like this movie. I’ve tried for 8 years now; and despite a lot of great things in this movie, it falls short of its potential. There’s so many plot holes and weird decisions made both by the characters, and the writers of the film. If you like this movie, I’m genuinely so happy for you, don’t let anyone (including me lol) take that away from you. However, the final question I leave you all with is, did Lex Luthor pee in that Senators drink? (My vote is yes)

Not only is jesse eisenberg as robin not a bad shout but him as jimmy olsen is perfect like wth aha

Lex Luthor that Eisenberg portrays is Lex Luthor JUNIOR Which can imply that Senior was the Luthor that we all know and love from the animated series and comics

"Maybe my monitor can't stand all the colors?" - Not likely in a Snyder film

Welp...good luck with sifting through the comments. lol

The Martha thing is wierd, but if you think about it it could mean, that now Bruce sees Superman as a man. HE has loved ones, HE cares about people, he's not just an alien, he's "more of a man Bruce never will be". When Lois says it's Superman's mother, Bruce sees Clark, a man, not an alien.

The Justice League animated series is so much better then the movie lol.

I'm a relative new sub.. I first started watching your star wars reaction.. I love your reactions. I just wanted to say, don't listen to the haters. Your title was accurate. He is the perfect superman :D

Hey Meg, great reaction as always. Also coming here to say we're waiting for the ZSJL reaction, not to mention today is the 3rd anniversary of the Cut released.

If you haven't heard yet, the actor that played Jimmy Olsen, in this version, was in the Smallville series for a while. In that he played a character (I don't want to spoil it if you haven't seen it and plan to) that is connected to Lex.

I have major issues with this movie but it’s a Batman and Superman movie there’s only so much I could possibly dislike it. I’m just glad Meg is finding more and more DC

One of my all time favorite superhero movies

26:29 Mark! Is that a reference to that animated cartoon show on "RU-vid" with CBM characters interacting at a coffee place during their time off between media appearances?! 🤔

Im about 70% hate 30% love when it comes to this movie personally I’ll just put that out there first. Plenty has already been said about this movie when it comes to the script, the writing, and general direction of it so I went get into any of that too much so this doesn’t become a whole essay that no one will read. I think my biggest problem with this movie is it tries to do too many things at once in a time where the MCU was growing and thriving. Say what you will about the way Snyder wrote these characters, but personally, I might’ve been able to get behind an old disgruntled Batman who kills if I had gotten to know him through four other movies, rather than introducing him in one alongside wonder woman, and Lex Luthor, and doomsday, and also killing Superman after only one movie with him. I’m not gonna pretend to know if that was a studio decision or a Snyder decision but either way it was the wrong decision. I love Henry Cavill, and I love Ben Affleck, and I think they did their absolute best with what they were given but even with the ultimate edition, this movie just doesn’t make any sense to me personally lol it really felt like DC were onto something with man of steel despite the criticism But then kind of threw it all away with this movie and just never recovered after the fact. When it comes to the way, the characters are written, I’m ok with making a dark universe, DC comics are generally darker than Marvel anyway, but being someone who grew up with the animated movies, I just think the DCAU did a dark universe with lovable characters better than Snyder did.

Jessie's lex was brilliant!!! He was crazy and unhinged... Zack wanted to focus on Lex's intellect instead of his physical

Hearing someone say "I wonder if that's a villian from the comics" when shown Doomsday is so funny. Not in a mean way or anything, it's just the dramatic irony of the moment made me chuckle. I think the problem with this movie is it tried to be too many things. It mashed like 3 different comic book stories/universes together. It had the Injustice story where Superman becomes a tyrant, it had the Death and Return of Superman, and it had The Dark Knight Returns so they could shoehorn a Superman v Batman fight for some reason. Then they had to mix all those plotlines together and try to make them all make sense even though they all take place in totally different stories with different motivations and timelines etc etc etc. Idk, they needed to just stick to 1 iconic story, and tell that, instead of biting off more than they could chew.

Prolly my fav Supes fact is in most versions, hes always listenin to his moms and lois heartbeats so the second something happens he knows.

6:15 Mark! Oh yeah! Ahem. "Batfleck" reminds me of when people used to ask me if I had seen the latest "Bat-Flick" or if I was going to go, and if so, could they go along! (When you're the one person with a car, you get that a lot!) 😅 Now I'm the one asking for rides. 😕

i've always said most of the casting was pretty spot on, i could absolutely see these actors bringing amazing energy to the roles. a second pair of eyes on the script i think could've really brought this up to the level DC was hoping for

22:47 Mark! When I saw the movies in theaters, I thought that he looked familiar to me, but because he changed clothes, I didn't place him as one of the generals before! Now, will you be recognizing him? Hmm. 🤔

The thing with Lex in this movie is that his whole life he was always in someone's shadow. Early in the movie it's established that he had daddy issues and always seeked his father's approval. Most likely Lex killed his own father to take over the company. Now that he is an adult and he has all this power, being a billionair and having an high intellect, he sees himself as a god. But suddenly all of it means nothing anymore by this alien who is literally powerful like a god. He resents Superman for getting more attention for it than Lex with all of his assets. Knowing Bruce Wayne is Batman and Lex seeing him as a rival as well (billionare and also very high intellect), he sets up this elaborate plan to pit Superman and Batman against each other in the hopes they kill each other, so Lex can become an unrivaled "god". I do agree that it's not everybody's cup of tea how Lex is portrayed in the movie, but as a villian I think he was brilliant in the movie. Especially the part where Lex showed the photos of Sup's mother and was able to get Superman on his knees in front of him, basically saying "See? Me, a human, made a god kneel. I'm the one who people should praise, not this alien". This meant everything to Lex.

Fascinating to know is that his Death Scream was heard all over the World

4:54 Mark! "Weathering"?! Do you assemble model kits?! That's how I usually see and hear that term, which is in association with model kit building! 😉 If you read the paperwork, he is "Alexander Luthor", grandson of "Lionel Luthor" and son of "Lex Luthor"! Hey! If you get around to seeing Christopher's fourth movie, the actor from a Molly Ringwald movie in which his character is called "Duckie" and who plays "Allan" or "Allen" in the former "CBS" sitcom "Two and Half Men" , is Gene Hackman's "Lex Luthor" character's nephew! He goes on yo play "Lex Luthor" himself in the "Arrowverse" set of television series, especially in "Supergirl"! It's oddly funny because of the shared Multiverse aspect! 😆

"A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one."

its usually tense

I was onboard when Jesse Eisenberg was cast Lex Luthor. I thought it was genius casting because of course the modern day Lex Luthor would be a Mark Zuckerberg. Big Tech Oligarchs. Lex was originally a just a mad scientist and that is played up here with it's allusions to Frankenstein using hidden(forbidden) knowledge to forth an abomination to creation: Doomsday; the dragon that Superman must slay. His demonic envy of Superman, the ethereal made tangible and the need for revenge. "No man in the sky intervene to save me from Daddy's fist and abominations!" Yes I will defend Jesse Eisenberg's performance of Lex Luthor. Zack said Batman is one of the two villains of the film, the other is Lex Luthor. Three if you count Doomsday. Batman v Superman is Man of Steel 2. Superman is the central hero of these films Batman/Bruce Wayne is Man in his fallen state. The Death of Thomas and Martha Wayne can be interpreted as the Fall of Man. Bruce wants revenge for his suffering and by the end he seeks salvation and redemption. The Kryptonite Spear, in the hands of Batman, is the Spear of Destiny. When the Kryptonite Spear is the hands of Superman it is Excalibur. Superman is the only one that can wield it justly. A poster for Sir John Boorman's Excalibur(1981) is seen next to the poster for the The Mark of Zorro(1940) and is the name on the Marque. Boorman's Excalibur is one of Snyder's favorite films and has a great influence on his work including the most recent Rebel Moon Part One. It is his urtext. I could go on about this even more but I'll save that for some other time. I love Snyder's mythic take on Superman and the DC mythos. The next film is Zack Snyder's Justice League(2021) and it a epic 4 hours long. Hope you enjoy it.

Spoilers Free: I never really liked the structure of the DCEU. We should've gotten a Man of Steel 2 and a sole Batman film before Batman V Superman. Death in the Family would've made for a great movie showing the death of Dick Grayson and how Batman/Bruce handled the death giving off a very ragefully take on the character. This would be set years before Man of Steel when Batman was slightly younger but still the oldest we've seen him in film, around 35. Then we jump into Man of Steel 2 which would showcase Clark as the Superman we know and love and then we dive into a Batman vs Superman movie and Justice League. This Batman is heavily inspired by Frank Millers The Dark Knight Returns from the shot of Bruce holding the machine gun to the death of Jason Todd (Dick Grayson who died in the DCEU) being a main plot of his rage and of course that amazing Battle suit that is pulled right out of the comic. His normal Batman as well it's very much inspired by The Dark Knight Returns and for me is just the best live action Bat suit we've seen so far love the textures and grey on Black. Of course not a one to one recreation of the comic but these few elements were pulled from this certain comic. Much prefer the Dark Knight Returns Animated film but I actually enjoyed Batman V Superman at least the longer cut of the film. Still didn't like Batman killing, Batman reaction to guns "“This is the weapon of the enemy, We do not need it. We will not use it.” also from The Dark Knight Returns. Batman did use a rifle like you saw in the animated film but it was used as like a grapple line did not fire any bullets. For Superman they pulled from The Death of Superman which is interesting, would've preferred more build up to this event instead, doesn't feel earned at all. Cool to see Doomsday in live action, even though this isnt the "actual" Doomsday according to Zack. But yeah this film would've been Civil War levels of amazing if they're was more build-up so we'd actually care about these characters. I do think Ben Affleck is a good Batman visually and in action but this movie did not do the character justice at all when we jump right into a version of Batman where he kills people instead of showcasing his fall into where he's at now. Love Zack Snyder's Justice League though and would recommend watching that in parts as it's very long. Overall it's a film that's grown on me but there's just much better depictions of Batman & Superman along with Gotham & Metropolis as well which basically look the same in this film, no contrast at all, hopefully James Gunn fixes this for his universe.

8:51 & 9:28 is the perfect description of Snyder's superheroes & his superhero movies in general lmao 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

The story arc for this film was the comic titled: The Death of Superman. He actually dies and comes back with amnesia... not knowing who he was.

13:32 Mark! Yes! Look at his signature! He's "Alexander Luthor" taking advantage of his father's legacy just as he did in the comics! In one of the alternate Earths "Alexander Luthor" is the Superhero ™️"!

It’s totally in line with Batman. Contingency plans for everything

And so we come to the film that broke the DCEU. There’s no getting around this: Batman v. Superman is an absolute dumpster fire of a movie. Neither character is very heroic, and they both act like total jerks. Their conflict makes no damn sense. It’s as if they took a couple of action figures from the toy box and went, “POW POW!” and thinking that makes an interesting movie. Snyder is really not the right director to handle Batman, IMO. His detached and grandiose storytelling clashes with the humanity that makes Batman who he is. He can pull it off with Superman because Superman is clearly not human, but for a character like Batman, it doesn’t work. I am just itching you to see “World’s Finest” in the DCAU. It’s SOOOO much better than this train wreck of a movie. Better written, better acted, and both superheroes are in character for who they are both conceptually and in-universe.

The Waynes are coming out of Excalibur because that’s one of Snyder’s favourite movies. With good reason. It’s a great film.

Hoping this was the ULTIMATE edition before I watch it

If you want Superman/Batman first meeting, I hope you'll watch "World Finest" episode from the Superman animated series. Also watch Superman/Batman: Public Enemies & Superman/Batman: Apocalypse

51:03 Mark! Well, as in most movie universes, they tend to learn the hard way by doing it in the trial-and-error method. 😁🙄

You had me at POOPY EZRA 💀

I always really liked this movie. Is it perfect? Hell no! But it’s fantastically acted and brilliantly shot. Affleck is my second favorite live-action Bruce (behind Keaton), and Cavill is my second favorite Clark (behind Reeves). I love that Bruce is so angry not only cause of Man Of Steel, but this cleary takes place not long after Robin’s murder in “Death In The Family” I even kinda like Lex. Yes he’s technically the worst live-action Luthor we’ve gotten so far, but Jessie plays it well and he’s legitimately frightening at times. He’s much more of a psychopath like he was back in the 40s comics. He hates god cause he wants to be one himself. I just REALLY wish we could’ve gotten more of Mercy Graves, cause they got a great actress playing her

I love your reaction. Best channel out there for movie reactions. I do wanna say... In this film Batman's the enemy, he afraid of Superman like everyone else, and uses his reasoning to make the things around him make sense. But he's forgetting one principle that superman was using from the moment he was old enough to apply it. FAITH. What did humanities fear of Supe's bring upon the man of steel? Death. But he had faith in humanity even unti his death and that helped restore Batman's/Bruce Wayne's faith along with reason to bring the right kind if Justice and the rest of the world. The quote Jor El spoke to superman/Kal El/Clark Kent right before the flight scene in MOS. You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders. Is symbolic with all 3 movies in the DCEU universe... You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. (Tgis part of the quote correlates to MAN OF STEEL) They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. (This line of the quote represents: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN IF JUSTICE) But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders. And this last line: well its its symbolic for the JUSTICE LEAGUE: aka not the theatrical cut or josstice league, but the SnyderCut) I used to hate on this movie. Now I cherish it. Bit each person to his or her own application of the philosophy, symbolism, and ideologies this films delves into

Yeah Jesse is probably the worst Lex Luthor in live action. The way he acts is how Lex Luthor acted like as a High School Teenager. So as grown ass man it was kinda cringe to see him act like he the Joker.

What are you talking about, drawn out too long. They don’t know he’s alive. They don’t know Superman is hard to kill, they don’t know that he needs sunlight to heal. They freakin buried his ass. And Batman’s story is a redemption story. A hero that has become a bit too careless and has experienced so much loss. Now he fears that there’s a new level of evil that he may not be able to fight and it’s important to him that he finds a way to normalize this. Show this alien that men are not weak that we have the ability to control him if need be. Superman’s sacrifice shows Bruce what it truly means to be a hero again. He’s a different man in Justice league. Even his theme is different. I love this movie.

First time watching the trailer for this movie, and I saw Lex, i thought he was the Riddler

19:29 Mark! Haha! Earlier today I saw a "LEGO" version of "Batman" talking like that about "Superman"! 😊 "Lego DC Comics: Batman Beleaguered"! 😎👍

52:46 Mark! I've only ever seen her collide with tanks, punch tanks, or pick them up and toss them! 🤔 I've never seen her do that act with any tank! 😅😂😁😄 Edit: Would "Tank McNamara" mind if they did it? 🤪😉

Superman didn't give the spear to Diana because he's Superman. He's not gonna have someone else risk their life.

5:35 Mark! "Jack" was the guy in the skyscraper that Bruce was talking to! The riderless horse evokes what happened during 9/11 when people encountered police horses without their riders. It is because of 9/11 that the disaster debris effects look like this in both movies. Otherwise, they might still look like they did in Disaster Genre movies made before 9/11. 🤔

48:47 Mark. Combat, battle, warfare, melee, it speeds up the adapting process. Like in a WW2 movie that I recently saw. Some "Vichy French" and some Italians, were just ready to switch sides and join the Allies, if only the damn Nazis or their supporters would just die or get of the way! 😮😂 WAIT! You play an "Elder Scrolls" game! Your character has experienced the sudden change because of accidentally hitting those on your side! 😁

Martha was the last word Bruce heard his father say before he died in that alley.

“If James Charles was Lex” was the comparison I never knew I needed 😂 Love how you’re already familiar with good Lex's (Hackman, TAS) so you felt what we all felt when he started talking 😅 Btw, Suicide Squad is the next movie released in this universe, followed by Wonder Woman 2017 (idk if you’re rewatching that but might be fun with added context), then Justice League

Once they made Affleck Batman (and I consider him one of, if not the, best ones) the whole thing became an Elseworlds storyline for me. Making Batman so much older than Superman (in most iterations, they are around the same age). This is a Bruce/Batman that is broken, beyond jaded and has lost his way. Joker has killed Robin with the crowbar already, most of his allies are dead/gone and worse, Gotham is still infested with crime despite all that time and loss.

As rushed and confusing it was, I understood Batman and Lex’s motivations. For Batman, he saw Superman as nothing more than an alien, who with the powers of a God, could destroy the world if he wanted to. Let’s be honest-the world had just witnessed Zod and the Sword of Rao attempt that very thing with the World Engines two years prior. And it didn’t help that Superman’s negligence in his battles with Faora and Nam-Ek in Smallville, as well as his final battle with Zod in Metropolis left devastating damage to those areas. Alfred said it best about helplessness turning good men cruel. Batman, despite his fighting ability, intelligence and resources, was reminded he was nothing more than a man dressed as a bat fighting criminals and over-the-top, but human supervillains. Superman literally changed the game. That’s why the Martha scene, while flawed, was important: by finally learning Superman was someone who had parents, who grew up on Earth despite his origins, Bruce was able to A. see Superman as a person who really was trying to do the right thing and B how far he’d fallen to the point he became the very thing he fought for 20 years. As for Lex, it was a simple case of he genuinely didn’t believe anyone could be that good for the sake of being good. It didn’t help him get a good portion of humanity saw Superman as some Messianic figure, hence the quote about if he’s all-good, than he cannot be all-powerful. That’s why he wanted the world “to see the fraud” he believed Superman was. Also, it didn’t help that his father, who, despite being extremely abusive, was also a religious man-a key factor in Lex being obsessed with religion and how he developed the worldview he possesses. Side note considering Eisenberg’s portrayal, while I wasn’t a fan of it, I also thought of BvS kinda being the origin story for Lex. What reinforced it for me was both the ending where they cut off his hair in prison and his more stable and calm demeanor in the end credits of Justice League. I really believe had the movies continued, we would’ve eventually saw the Lex we all knew kinda like we would’ve saw Clark become the Superman we expected. In a way, Snyder attempted to do what Smallville did before him, just didn’t execute it properly.

12:30 Mark! Oddly enough, he was "Daredevil" known to some fans as "The Red Batman" and he was indirectly "Clark Kent / Superman" by playing an actor that played those roles! I like Ben in "Pearl Harbor". You can appreciate his role in that movie more by seeing "Tora! Tora! Tora!" before seeing Ben's. Both Kate Beckinsale and Jennifer Garner are in it as nurses. I admit to conflating them because, at the time, it didn't make sense to me that on-screen he would make love to Kate's character but end up marrying Jennifer because that is supposedly how they met. Typically, you fall in love with the one you actually kiss often! 😁

52:25 Mark! Hmm. Because of how the movies were made and released, at this point, we are sure if she's using, "Power, Jumping" or "Power, Gliding", or "Power, Flight" or just her Strength Attribute and Agility Attribute with "Skill, Acrobatics" + "Skill, Martial Artist". 🤔 (By the way, her two movies are told as flashbacks!) But we finally learn in "Wonder Woman 1984" that Steve Trevor taught her how to adapt what she was doing into flying like Superman does, sort of! 😎

Honestly, I saw the Martha scene as Superman trying one last ditch effort to reach Bruce. Since, Clark learns that Batman is Bruce Wayne. Kent probably did some reach on Bruce and learned that his parents were killed right in front of him, when he was a child. So that why, I believe, Superman said Martha as a last attempt to reach Batman humanity.

You were spot on. He’s Lex Luthor’s son, Alexander Luthor. Also says so in the movie. It’s never majorly elaborated on in the film sadly and ppl think he’s OG Lex.

This was my wifes favorite Batman, Superman movie. She said it was because it was about saving Mom.

Damn took you awhile to realize the suit or even the fight with Batman and Superman was directly from the dark knight returns comic

My favorite Batmobile hands down! 🙌🏾 ⚡️ The Batman Superman crossovers in the Animated series for each, are my favorite versions of them interacting 😊

Okay then. Let me get back to this one!!!

Zack Snyder’s Justice League is one true masterpeice I’m looking forward to you reacting to next 🔥 everything the fans fought for after everything this movie set up

Lexs motivation is best summed with this line in the movie “ I don’t hate the sinner I hate the SIN… and yours my friend is existing”

That whole *Martha* scene was a realization that Clark is human. Batman's whole mission is to prevent what happened to him that one night that took his parents and realizing he's becoming what he set out to stop.l (He's literally picturing himself as his parents killer by attacking someone who's mother is also called Martha)

And the jokes on you was there because joker killed Robin