I am DONE with METALCORE!

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I am done with Metalcore - Comparing Nik's picks against Loudwire's Big 4 Bands for the various Metal sub genres
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@NikNocturnalTwitchClips 2 года назад

*Did you do better than Nik? Comment below!* ⏬

@Ryo7_7 2 года назад

I got Dillinger and Converge lol

@trowabarton222 2 года назад

You should just get into Doom. There is only one band in the big 4 of Doom. Electric Wizard

@MiracleDiengdoh 2 года назад

Recommend you to watch thunder’s Cave lastest video, small but I see passion in those guys

@everyoneelsemovedonfan 2 года назад

Their 20 plus careers

@Stu-Bo 2 года назад

WHY NO MELO-DEATH?!?!

@Blahblah9905 2 года назад

Don’t take it too hard Nik, Loudwire is the music equivalent of IGN. Integrity and consistency do not exist in their world.

@Konfide4043 2 года назад

Money money money money...money

@MaestroKatProductions 2 года назад

@@Konfide4043 As evident by the number of ads on their website that keeps crashing my browser

@DrDipsh1t 2 года назад

Was loud wire ever decent? Ign wasn't terrible a couple decades ago lol

@chrismusiclover9893 2 года назад

@@DrDipsh1t IGN has been a shit journal site since 2015

@Blahblah9905 2 года назад

@@DrDipsh1t I think when they first started out they were half decent, but then again I may have just been a dumb child who didn’t know any better.

@mr.meeseeks6090 2 года назад

Using Loudwire as a reference, is like listening to a blind person how to drive

@goldenhate6649 2 года назад

Also metalcore as a genre is a massive generalization and similar to nu metal and groove metal, didn’t, and still doesn’t have a good definition

@OfficialKevinFox 2 года назад

You obviously have used a blind person to show you how to type

@andrewc4315 2 года назад

Can't fucking stand loudwire.

@FairyCRat 2 года назад

@@goldenhate6649 It had a definition in the early 2000s, now it seems to be "whatever the big bands that were formerly metalcore, are sounding like right now"

@jerjastrs95 2 года назад

Gun them down in the most "hell yeah" way

@metalcore570 2 года назад

Nick: *tries to guess all the metalcore bands on the list* Also Nick:"My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined"

@FairyCRat 2 года назад

Nik: **does 10 levels of modern metalcore with Mike from Spiritbox** also Nik: I don't consider Spiritbox modern metalcore

@Upsetkiller456 2 года назад

They are like barebones metalcore/djent. Surprised they didn't show up.

@InvaderKaz2008 Год назад

Nik not knowing Queen is British might be the hardest I've laughed in a while.

@JGSH13 2 года назад

As I lay dying needs to do a comeback album called “Past Transgressions”.

@Thedoza 2 года назад

This made ginger ale come out my nose

@mcspaddin 2 года назад

I just refuse to listen to them anymore. I simply can't respect a band that would take Lambesis back.

@Gary_a_normal_human_being 2 года назад

@@mcspaddin I agree…but shaped by fire is a banger album

@Nall412 2 года назад

@@Thedoza LMFAO

@superstan3290 2 года назад

Is AILD gone downhill due to lineup changes

@Mr_Bedlam215 2 года назад

When it comes to metalcore, you could split that into different decades and have a "big 4" for each one because of how diverse the sound can be, so it'd be difficult to just do "old school" versus "new school" and call it a day.

@devinbender8428 2 года назад

90s - Converge, Earth Crisis, norma jean, Poison the well. Early 00s - AILD, B4MV, KSE, All that remains. Late 00s - Prada, Parkway, underoath, ABR. 10s - architects, northlane, wage war, erra

@luke8558 2 года назад

@@devinbender8428 this.

@devinbender8428 2 года назад

@@devendasmusic crabcore! Attack attack, asking Alexandria, of mice and men, woe is me.

@GamingSaurusRexYTube 2 года назад

@@devinbender8428 norma jean is not 90s

@SlashpLOder 2 года назад

@@devinbender8428 where does knocked loose, varials, kublai khan? noughties metalcore revival? where do you put bands like sylar, afterlife, Tallah? nu metalcore? this genre got way too diverse

@percyhutchins5421 2 года назад

I love how Niks eyes always look like hes not slept in like a year . cause he makes us these amazing videos, An Unearth is one of the big 4 Metalcore bands . dont doubt your instincts

@jbwanthony3177 2 года назад

Pretty sure that's an iron deficiency. Cause im the same way.

@yodapapu8752 2 года назад

I though he use make up everytime he's streaming 😅

@coryjohnson2486 2 года назад

@@yodapapu8752 probably that

@joshpassalacqua5176 2 года назад

It's also a tell-tale sign of Chrones Disease

@xTatsuran Год назад

He produced so much metal he's iron deficient now lmao

@Alran109 2 года назад

Can’t believe how bad they messed up the metalcore list. KsE, AILD, BFMV, and ATR would have been my picks. Modern metalcore should have had ABR. They’ve been carrying the whole genre on their backs since 2010.

@ryanshinermusic 2 года назад

Eh, it depends. A7X when they were metalcore were waaaaaaayyyy bigger than those. ADTR is playing amphitheaters and arenas. It just depends on what they mean for “modern” and classic. Overall I’d probably have a list close to yours but it’d be KSE, ADTR, A7X and BMTH ABR never really got that big comparatively and no one’s really cared about them since 2012

@dedandflooded 2 года назад

id put trivium in there too, ascendancy is gold

@BananasStrikes 2 года назад

I think that the Metalcore catagory that Nik picked is the correct one. Modern Metalcore i how ever would put Architects, While She Sleeps, Bleed From Within for sure. A 4th pick is hard, could be Landmvrks, Beartooth, We Came As Romans. The first three picks i find innovating for the Metalcore genre but placing the last one is hard.

@NotcoolJames 2 года назад

@@BananasStrikes na not even close

@lonewolf1470 2 года назад

@@BananasStrikes idk but in europe bands like heaven shall burn or caliban are a big constant in the metalcore gerne My top metalcore picks would be: August burns red, heaven shall burn, Crystal Lake.. those bands are still deliver some good stuff

@Monius13 2 года назад

they definitely dropped the ball on modern metalcore, for sure. honestly I feel like they completely messed up on this whole post...

@metalswifty23 2 года назад

It is Loudwire in fairness

@bcbitchkkv 2 года назад

@@metalswifty23 they'll include Machine Head - Burn My Eyes and either of Pantera's first 2 non-Glam albums in a "top 10 thrash albums of all tiem" list. Metalsucks? Maybe. Loudwire sucks? Definitely.

@Monius13 2 года назад

@@metalswifty23 that's true

@lastchancereviews2 2 года назад

Underoath on that list and i was like they’re not metalcore anymore

@CharlesZane_ 2 года назад

@@lastchancereviews2 parkway isn’t metalcore anymore either.

@beidouvirus3978 2 года назад

I think Nik being such a metalcore scene kid is exactly what brought him down in the metalcore section. He knows too much about the genre, its history and artists. He listed bands that outsiders would not recognize at all, even if those bands were instrumental to metalcore. Plus I wasn't even surprised to see Converge and Killswitch in the same place, but Nik sees the difference.

@jynxycats Год назад

Kinda hard to nail these when 'Modern' list has bands that are old as fuck, and the normal section has one band that aren't even Metalcore to begin with lol

@dominikaksiazek7177 8 месяцев назад

And this is exactly why I got 4/4 in the djent category. I don't even listen to it.

@uglypineapple03 2 года назад

We just whitnessed Nik's soul leaving his body through the course of this Video

@jeremycronic 2 года назад

Unearth is my favorite band of all time. But the 2000's Big Four of Metalcore is: 1. Killswitch Engage 2. As I Lay Dying 3. Bullet For My Valentine 4. Atreyu It's not the best or 'most true to the genre bands'. It's the most successful and influential.

@killsedadivd7956 2 года назад

Trivium?

@jeremycronic 2 года назад

@@killsedadivd7956 Trivium is close. While they were big in that time, they weren't as big as Atreyu. They blew up more around 2007ish. The real golden age of metalcore was 2004-2006. KSE released classic albums in 2001-2004. Atreyu in 2002-2004 and similar for the other two bands. Trivium's only classic metalcore album wasn't until 2005. Then they changed their sound with each record. They are great but more/different than traditional metalcore.

@MetalGuitarTimo 2 года назад

+darkest hour, all that remains

@curtcrandall5157 Год назад

I do not understand why Shadows Fall is completely overlooked in the metalcore category. Of course, I'm completely confused by this "genre" as so many bands don't sound anything like the others. KSE definitely should be here. Hatebreed should be here too. Guess I'm biased for NE metalcore.

@ChopiStunner Год назад

It dies today, Still Remains and Haste the day were big tops for me 2

@henkhans7497 2 года назад

Someone in chat suggested Nickelback for modern metalcore 😂😂😂

@aelrecs015 2 года назад

LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH 0-0-0-0-0-0-0 EVERY TIME I DO 0-0 0-0 0-0 IT MAKES ME LAUUUUUUGH

@djentrification1631 2 года назад

@@aelrecs015 This comment is gold

@Jane_Doe...3 Год назад

@@aelrecs015 this goes hard Now i want nickleback metalcore

@het2419 2 года назад

Nik: Noone has a better windmill than Cannibal Corpse. Jason Newstead: *Plugs in bass with malicious intent*

@charliecooper5354 2 года назад

Newsted is badass 👑😎

@terogates1 2 года назад

I was gonna say what about avatar

@HeavyMetalGamer78 2 года назад

But where the fuck was the melodic death metal? Just excluding a giant subgenre like that?? Fucking bands like Amon Amarth, Arch Enemy, Insomnium, In Flames and Dark Tranquility

@maartenprehn3960 2 года назад

Just forget about loudwire, that makes everything much easier

@lazylegolars 2 года назад

At The Gates?

@digitalmortality2001 2 года назад

If they were to do that, then they'd have to do tech death, symphonic black, prog death, slam death, etc.,

@stanleyc.348 2 года назад

Heaven shall burn

@nathangreil3813 2 года назад

Soilwork! The Living infinite is easily one of the best albums if not the best melo death album of all time. Fact. 😎🤘

@pickles23401 2 года назад

Nic is TOO core boy to get the rankings right. The list is so generalized and he knows too much

@one_vegan_boi1097 2 года назад

I remember I joined the stream and Nik says "Queen is not British" and I was tempted to close it again, lmao. Come on Nik, Brian May not British? He literally has the CBE order "Most Excellent Order of the British Empire" appointed by the Queen. If that's not British then I don't know what is.

@fruitchewx127 2 года назад

He said what now

@phlossy_ 2 года назад

This was so much fun to watch :D

@NikNocturnalTwitchClips 2 года назад

Glad you're enjoying the content 'Phrost

@aarxv_s1042 2 года назад

@@NikNocturnalTwitchClips hey phrost i got banned from the discord server cuz my account was hacked and it send server links in the chat could u let me join it again (im dead the guy who asked about the focusrite scarlet setup for hours)

@daverooney86 2 года назад

This was an awesome segment I love stuff like this. Could you do the pop punk one too? Or punk rock?

@NikNocturnalTwitchClips 2 года назад

We didn't get that far down. Nik got too tilted at the British Rock section, then we moved onto something else on on stream 'Phrost

@quickscopeoneeighty9158 2 года назад

"You would never be able to comprehend my music taste because I know the pieces fit" a man I asked what his favorite Tool album after I complemented his cool Tool shirt

@Twiggy269 2 года назад

As a Trivium Fanboy, I was super happy to see them make a list, but also a little shocked they made one. Could have put them in the list with KSE for a better fit honestly. Trivium was primarily a metalcore band starting out, crusade swung over to the Thrash side, and Shogun swung more to the Prog side, but in waves, vengeance were both straight metalcore like Ember/ascendancy was.

@iChoseScylla Год назад

For all the progression Trivium has made in their sound, New Age could be seen as umbrella genre for them. They came out of the ashes of metal in the early 2000s. New Age American doesn’t really have a sound anyways, it’s just the notable bands that came from that era.

@iChoseScylla Год назад

Also I’m a Trivium fanboy as well if that wasn’t clear by my RU-vid profile lol

@jacobtridef48 2 года назад

The modern metalcore selection was terribly selected lol! Shoulda been something more like Architects, Erra, Silent Planet, and Polaris or Currents

@jpbguitar6470 2 года назад

Queensryche is like actual old school metal, if anything Tool is closer to prog rock than Queensryche. Also they were one of the bands who basically laid the foundations for later prog metal bands along w Crimson Glory

@ObviouslyKieran 2 года назад

Tool is so far from progressive metal it's not even close.

@ObviouslyKieran Год назад

@@SimplyPlatonic Prog Metal didn't start in 1995...

@brians1793 Год назад

Yeah Queensryche is metal, it really depends on the album or song but I'd say they're prog metal and more so than Tool. Some of their songs even sound thrashy, like Queen of the Reich, or I guess closer to speed metal.

@spartansquid5931 Год назад

How can you say they don't qualify for prog with Operation Mindcrime and the insane production on Empire??

@jpbguitar6470 Год назад

@@spartansquid5931 I probably phrased that not great, queensryche *is* prog metal while tool shouldn't really be considered prog metal as they're more prog rock. Queensryche is definitely old school heavy metal too, just more progressive than other old school heavy metal bands at the time.

@runnydiarrhea6101 2 года назад

I feel like Crystal Lake should've been in the new metalcore part.

@TobikunOuO 2 года назад

Crystal lake isn't really metalcore anymore.

@DragonKnightX12 2 года назад

@@TobikunOuO Big negative chef. Crystal Lake is more metalcore then most of the modern scene.

@Skeetopunk01 2 года назад

Never start a sentence with “I feel like…”

@TheDude044 2 года назад

They should’ve replaced BMTH with Crystal Lake, and then replaced Underoath with Polaris. Underoath started in 1997, there’s nothing modern about them lmao.

@krumpingchihuahua Год назад

@@TobikunOuO true, they are hiatus-core as of now

@ThisNameIsVeryClever 2 года назад

9:59 Making a distinction between 2009 and "modern" made me feel old as shit all of a sudden.

@RaskalTheKing 2 года назад

Dude I've been a long time fan and I love all your content, but as an old school hesher, this one was so fun to watch. Do more lists!

@djentisnotagenre_ 2 года назад

labeling dillinger as a metalcore band is like labeling a car as an air conditioner

@djentisnotagenre_ Год назад

@@ippos_khloros6163 i mean yeah but also not really. mathcore is way heavier than standard metalcore and has a lot of genre fusion which isnt as common in metalcore. so yeah mathcore is under the umbrella of metalcore, but bands like killswitch and august burns red sound nothing like dillinger, botch, ed gein etc.

@Donderchief Год назад

At least not the Calculating Infinity lineup.

@maxpalmer3212 2 года назад

BFMV is in my top 5 metalcore bands they were my gateway into the sub genre along side avenged sevenfold

@The1920sChannel 2 года назад

Every time he said "new age" when referring to metal, I could only think of one thing: Enya-core

@shornoMALONEY 2 года назад

Subgenres are kinda bullshit unless you are having a conversation about subgenres. And bands change their sound all the time, I didn't even know about the terms "metalcore, deathcore, mathcore, djent, cLoWN cOR3" until like 5 years ago, but I've been a Morbid Angel/CoF/Brutal Truth fan for over 20 years. There are certain subgenres which are kinda unmistakable like proper original black metal (Immortal, Emperor), death metal like Cannibal Corpse and Morbid Angel. Grindcore etc. When I first heard some of the newer deathcore bands they sounded like grindcore to me, just with cleaner/heavier production and some more tonal elements.

@Andy_Paris 2 года назад

Metal is one of the most diverse music genres, and my most favorite type of music. It all started with Deftones Around the Fur album, then the next thing I knew, I was listening to Limp Bizkit's first album the week it released, then Linkin Park, then Soilwork and In Flames etc. Ever since then, I've listened to everything to do with Metal. If it has the "rawr" in it, then I'm in love! My entire Pandora app is fill with every subgenre of Metal. The most recent addition I added was Pop-Metal, like Poppy and Siiickbrain etc. It's freaking weird and I love it!

@lakeside1168 2 года назад

I am radically surprised they recognized Trivium for thier evolution and uprising. FROM THE DEPTHS, I WILL RISE (Shadow of the Abbiotor reference)

@matthewtaylor1785 2 года назад

That honestly made my day. Trivium are incredible musicians

@Ryo7_7 2 года назад

Modern Metalcore list was way off but they put Converge in the Metalcore list lol. I was right about Dillinger at least 😂🤘🏾.

@wesleymatthews6409 2 года назад

TBDM is my all time favorite band.... Losing Trevor was, and still is, devastating... R.I.P. Brother...

@BirdNoise77 Год назад

Does anyone have the link to this VOD? video skipped over a couple I'd like to see lol

@a_flair_for_the_dramatic Год назад

I'm just gonna say that Bring Me still slaps hard ok? They're still going strong. Love them

@CABALDRUMMER 2 года назад

Dude, Queensryche is a classic metal band, that brought the prog elements into the mainstream metal of the late 80. 🤷🏽‍♂️

@spaceriot23 2 года назад

i always thought Dream Theater are Queensryche but heavier and more proggy

@matthewtaylor1785 2 года назад

@@spaceriot23 good way to describe it I’d say

@mattwilliamsonguitar 2 года назад

I'm so stoked you said the words "Black Dahlia is fucking amazing". That felt vindicating for some reason. It feels like no one ever mentions them, and they're far and away my favorite band, so thank you!

@mikolajorzechowski2423 2 года назад

same thing made me smile@ fuk yeah

@Djroshi01 Год назад

Black Dahlia is one of those bands where even if their names aren’t mentioned? They’re on everyone’s list. Like Breaking Benjamin, we love them no matter what.

@joshuajoyce2246 Год назад

Norma Jean started in the early 2000’s lol Also Converge deserves to count under your “2000’s metalcore” list because Jane Doe didn’t come out until 2001, which really put them on the map

@Signal_in_the_noise Год назад

That’s what I’m saying dude has no idea what he’s talking about

@mrslagowhoreusrex6300 2 года назад

I don't understand all these genres but my top 5 fave bands are Trivium, Architects, Avenged Sevenfold, Siverstein & Hypnogaja. I have no clue what genres they are classed as haha

@default2077 2 года назад

These lists is like a father‘s disappointment very immense

@vinsmoke-d-sanji9575 Год назад

Can anyone recommend me to power metal bands where the front man has good high notes? like really good high notes

@Michele-Elise Год назад

Brilliant commentary Nik!!! THIS is why I love geeking out on music. Your knowledge just amazes me!!! I know you were doing this for shits and giggles but to tap into your mind like that and take a look at all that metal content…. 😮 I am voting for YOU as the metal spokesperson of our time.

@yourfavoritetrex 2 года назад

I think the most relatable thing nik said in this entire video is "i'm over metalcore" 🤣🤣

@Scriibble4 2 года назад

Hearing Todd la Torre do gutturals during a queensryche set makes me feel like their metal 🤔🤔

@jenniferlchainmailjen152 2 года назад

This was such a fun stream. Watching the vid to support the mods. 🤘🏻

@DeeDee-eb6fe 2 года назад

Nic, this was one of the best reaction videos of the last months. I understand your inconsistency complaint so much! But that's just the result of "creating' artificial categories of metal. It was sooo easy back in the 80s, when there was only a handful of directions we had to know. 🤣

@charliecooper5354 2 года назад

For NWOAHM I'd put: Chimera Machine Head Killswitch Engage Hatebreed For Nu Metal: Disturbed Slipknot Linkin Park Coal Chamber For Death Metal: Deicide Cannibal Corpse Morbid Angel Children Of Bodom (melodic Death Metal, obviously) Deathcore: Suicide Silence Carnifex Thy Art Is Murder Job For A Cowboy Chelsea Grin Metalcore Trivium KSE (again) Bullet For My Valentine All That Remains Grindcore: Napalm Death Carcass Terrorrizer Pig Destroyer Prog: Opeth Periphery BTBAM Animals As Leaders Thrash: Megadeth Exodus Metallica (sorry, not sorry 😎👑) Havok (Thrash Revival, of course) Black Metal: Venom Darkthrone Mayhem Burzum NWOBHM: Iron Maiden Motörhead Grim Reaper Diamond Head Proto Metal Beatles (Helter Skelter is an absolute jam!) Cream Blue Cheer The Jimi Hendrix Experience Heavy Metal/Hard Rock Black Sabbath Judas Priest Stephenwolf Lucifers Friend (if you don't know who these are, check out their track 'Ride The Sky' If I could only pick 4 favourite bands: Trivium Iron Maiden Megadeth Bullet For My Valentine

@timgonzales2891 2 года назад

Triviums comeback arc has been beautiful to see.

@shikarifox4337 2 месяца назад

WTDMS was the first and only time I've had to wait for Amazon to get a restock of a new CD.

@laran9922 2 года назад

I loved this article when the included Trivium. I lost faith in it at the metalcore part

@frankunodostres473 2 года назад

this was pretty entertaining! and these picks were pretty good from loudwire. I gotta agree though the queensryche pick didn't make sense. and the modern vs OG metalcore debate... well fair to say loudwire got that one wrong. but tbf I wouldn't call DEP mathcore. almost everywhere they are referred to as pioneers of early metalcore.

@TankTheTech 2 года назад

If it's any consolation, I would have been off on the Modern and regular Metalcore lists too. No consistency at all. Also... Did Nik REALLY not know Queen was British? 😂😂

@NikNocturnalTwitchClips 2 года назад

Haha both Queen and Led Zeppelin being British was a revelation to him! 'Phrost

@jordanwolfe739 2 года назад

How in flames wasn't on the death metal big 4 I'll never figure out

@c4gam1ng12 2 года назад

Melodeath should’ve been a separate list. Then there should be bands like In Flames, At The Gates, Dark Tranquility, and The Black Dahlia Murder.

@kanglongshankz3313 Год назад

Because they're not a death metal band

@jordanwolfe739 Год назад

@@kanglongshankz3313 Melodic death metal is still death metal and since melodic didn't have its own category... Also cannibal corpse is grindcore

@kanglongshankz3313 Год назад

@@jordanwolfe739 Melodic death metal is melodic death metal. Death metal is death metal.

@kanglongshankz3313 Год назад

@@jordanwolfe739 Even melodeath not being there, In Flames are never getting ahead of Death, Morbid Angel, Possessed, Obituary, Deicide, Atheist, Immolation etc. But, this is Loudwire after all so anything goes.

@ghzerost6288 2 года назад

I laughed painfully at the lists. You shouldn’t be able to mix metalcore eras. Has to be split. Thanks for fun vid Nik.🤘🏼🖤

@dissonantpulse 2 года назад

The last album by Qüeensryche 'The Veredict' is very heavy but I think Symphony X is better and needs to be in the list

@playstationmetalhead2182 2 года назад

With the metalcore list (not the “modern” metalcore list), I was actually thinking to myself “watch them mix the 90s and 2000s after Nik said they wouldn’t. Already happens in the first two bands with killswitch and converge. Lol F’ing awesome.

@callumhawkins2937 2 года назад

wait did you not know queen is british? they're quite possibly the most famous british band alongside Oasis and the beatles.

@slyder35 2 года назад

I'm pretty sure the Stones wants a word with you

@callumhawkins2937 2 года назад

@@slyder35 in all fairness, if you were to list the top 5 british bands of all time, I bet Queen, oasis and the beatles would be there. And of all the British bands Queen has to be #1. There's no way queen could be anything else

@slyder35 2 года назад

@@callumhawkins2937 the stones makes the top 3 of most famous british bands, was my point

@TYLERtheMAGGOT1 2 года назад

My metalcore big 4 are Killswitch engage As I lay dying Bullet for my valentine Parkway drive I would put in all that remains but even their best album can't compare to horizons or deep blue in my opinion.

@nitrocatofficial6939 Год назад

Glad I got to see Job For A Cowboy, Underoath, BMTH, Trivium, and As I Lay Dying, wish I got to see Devil Wears Prada, Asking Alexandria (their good shit), Bullet For My Valentine, Atreyu, Dance Gavin Dance and Miss May I

@crytonne 2 года назад

Good video don't agree with the picks they made. Your reactions are great

@scottshepke669 2 года назад

Completely hypothetical(also just poking fun) I like the new direction but: Maybe bands like pwd, bmth, hundredth, architects,etc. had this same conversation/epiphany/confusion/whatever you want to call it like nik did @or around the 15:12 mark, and that what made them change from metalcore.🤣🤣

@TheCOFofficial 2 года назад

I had a similar experience you had with Metalcore, with Gothic Metal... My big four in that genre would have been Type o Negative, Paradise Lost (Hell, they invented the genre), Tiamat and The Gathering or Fields of the Nephilim. They only included Type o Negative, while non of the other bands they listed I would even consider as Gothic Metal. HIM I could accept, but Lacuna Coil are Alternative Metal with only a hint of Gothic Metal in their early works and Cradle of Filth are Symphonic (Black/Dark).

@TheCOFofficial 2 года назад

They put Paradise Lost further down the line in Doom Metal... hmmm I believe their place there would have been better given to a band like Swallow the Sun and Paradise Lost would have been better placed in Gothic Metal, but okay... thats kinda fair.

@rudolfantlerofficial 2 года назад

I love them, but nothing I've heard from Fields of the Nephilim sounds like metal.

@elk3407 2 года назад

I would have thought Draconian would have made the goth metal list because of how widely popular that band is. And yes, TECHNICALLY it's gothic doom not gothic metal.... but same difference

@szuwen007 2 года назад

This was hilarious to watch. 😂 who wrote at Loudwire wrote this article anyway? 🤔

@xiphexlive 2 года назад

Issue with Loudwire is they are so fucking out of touch it’s the equivalent of trusting a blind man to run a nuclear power plant.

@Tj-hw2ql 2 года назад

How do you guys know soo many bands. I got into metal (mostly metalcore and post hardcore) and i knew maybe half of the bands. I can't imagine ever having that much knowledge about metal. 😂

@thursdayfivenine3106 2 года назад

Love I Prevail.

@dontreadonme5331 2 года назад

I am with you 100% with ATB!! They should've been on there! Plus they're my nephew's friends

@ejnova7215 2 года назад

Love videos like this Geeking over this genre

@Ruthann0351 2 года назад

I always love to see just how passionate and fairly serious Nik gets with things like this. I wish I had just a fraction of the passion he has for music that I could put into something............. what I could create/accomplish. Gotta love Nik and all of his over the topness. ❤😂 Also, great editing guys. I was able to catch this stream live and still enjoyed the replay.

@DadCore666 2 года назад

Go up to that Loudwire author and ask that dude to name 4 songs off a band shirt. He aint answering.

@NikNocturnalTwitchClips 2 года назад

🤣 'Phrost

@Hyperenealogical_Genesis 2 года назад

i feel this on so many levels

@Grasses0n Год назад

Kind of surprised they didn't put Dimmu Borgir in the black metal section. I know they weren't founders or anything but they became pretty huge in the black metal scene. Perhaps they should've added a symphonic black metal section or something.

@brandoncranford3126 2 года назад

I miss job for a cowboy. Hope they come back

@GS-el8ll 2 года назад

KNEE DEEP

@MarMariez 2 года назад

how was Ice Nine Kills not in the modern metalcore? that kinda makes no sense instead they pick a band that hasn't done metalcore in years?

@nemesis8626 2 года назад

The New Wave of American Heavy was the Metal that didn't quite fit into the metalcore scene, generally without the melodic chorus's and abit heavier, the term was coined by Mark Hunter of Chimaira, bands like Chimaira, lamb of god. I wouldn't have said Avenged fit in there, so yeah basically bands that were abit heavier than metalcore

@blan6765 2 года назад

Tf I’m hearing now I hear the heavy songs of INK MIW and vesta collide what is this called? Cuz as it seems I’m not hearing metalcore and I’m confused

@srivera5780 2 года назад

Literally any chance they get to throw shade at Tim Lambesis 😂

@V3xxe 2 года назад

I mean, it's deserved lol

@thealgorithmluvsu3788 2 года назад

I mean what he did was wildly fucked up. Shade is the least of his problems.

@darkdudironaji 2 года назад

The reason Tool wasn't on there is because the overlap between Tool fans and prog fans isn't really that big. Most Tool fans don't listen to other prog, because they found Tool through radio play. And a lot of prog fans think of Tool as prog lite. Queensryche is prog-metal, because they were considered metal when they came out.

@jdiejejerje661 Год назад

Slight correction, Queensryche is considered metal because they just... play metal. The line for what is and isn't metal doesn't really move, a band playing the exact same music as Queensryche coming out today would still be metal.

@digitalmortality2001 Год назад

@@jdiejejerje661 To be more specific, Queensrÿche is influenced by NWOBHM. Tool plays prog rock.

@am1992sxe 2 года назад

Your reaction to metalcore was 💯on point . The Dillinger Escape plan, wtf?

@HelloitsMrChase 2 года назад

9:04 I CALLED IT!! It would’ve been lowkey disrespectful to make a top djent bands and NOT include those 4 in the top 5 imo

@blackspine343 2 года назад

Job For a Cowboy is a tech death band now homie.

@karmacore 2 года назад

Welllll, norma Jean and converge got big in the 2000s, so I get why they are in metalcore

@smash_adams 2 года назад

norma Jean wasnt a band until 2002. lutikris before that but that was between 97-01 but they werent even signed until 2000.

@jimparker4670 2 года назад

You should do a react to the new I Prevail song: Bad things. It just released yesterday

@jimmie_collins 2 года назад

Underoath was my jam in high school. That takes me back.

@h3r3tic66 2 года назад

Nik: suprised that tool isnt in the prog metal category Tool isnt even a metal band, they are prog rock not prog metal

@aelrecs015 2 года назад

tool is def prog rock but early on they were pigeonholed into the prog metal category so most people just kinda "eh tool is prog metal"

@h3r3tic66 2 года назад

@breakbot no they are not, they are prog rock at best. They are not metal at all

@h3r3tic66 2 года назад

@breakbot Danny Carey of Tool said himself in multiple posts saying that they arent metal at all

@TJD405 2 года назад

Loudwire is like picking up a tabloid from the corner market and expecting it to be valid information.

@Seven7Pain1 2 года назад

KoRn are the Kings of Numetal was at first show at 13 years old in 1995 and still favorite band and munky still my favorite guitarist

@thepotatolord3052 Год назад

Korn and Slipknot are some of my favourite bands

@dillonmcknight9558 Год назад

My metalcore list was Killswitch as I lay dying Bullet for my valentine Atreyu ( I know they released in 98) but they were my introduction to bullet and from there I found the gods of metalcore aild. As far as I'm concerned they're my idols regardless of controversy besides what's more metal than attempted murder amirite?

@ThrasherLuvMetalcore 2 года назад

How can they be so accurate at the first genres and fail so hard on the last, its rediculous🤣 must have been different authors, some failed their job totally..

@TundraCH 2 года назад

Boomer metal: Heavy metal Black metal Death metal Power metal Thrash metal Zoomer metal: Metalcore Djent Djentcore Deathcore Nu metal I will not be answering any questions at this time

@digitalmortality2001 2 года назад

Pretty sure Nu Metal is like Millenial metal.

@digitalmortality2001 2 года назад

@ZombieDesertDefender Well look who it is, the main man himself.

@pvwulfe6662 Год назад

Queensryche are and were one of the first Prog Metal bands. Sounds change, so everyone sounds heavier now. They were inspired by Maiden so that would make Maiden Heavy Rock.

@gamertrash14 2 года назад

ayeeee i was there for this stream

@Billyin5cneversawitcoming Год назад

Nik: "QUEEN isnt british" Every British person ever: _tilted_

@thelittleowl1 2 года назад

I would put bmth in the metalcore class. That band is a light year ahead of everyone else.

@ANDYWOUNDSABRXS Год назад

never doubt the power of Marshy. Marshy was in the amazing band Abraxis, he was a head of his time!

@oddshaft4851 2 года назад

it would be nice to see you listening to some good ole' metal

@thetruelment 2 года назад

Loudwire rankings are always like not having a gas mask at a dumpster fire in the middle of a skunk orgy on a 103° day....sorry not sorry

@pitres24 2 года назад

Unpopular opinion: But if you're talking what is literally Metalcore (hardcore + Metal) Hatebreed, Earth Crisis, Unearth, and Malevolence are Big 4.

@smash_adams 2 года назад

broooo... ABR 2009 metalcore? I remember listening to August Burns Red as far back as 2005. That first album on solid state records was legit.

@UltimateGamerCC 2 года назад

i honestly prefer Symphony X to Dream Theater, SX introduced me to Prog and their style of mixing classical music with Metal, so fucking underrated it breaks my heart.