I Built a Beautiful Lakeside Railway on The New Map in Railroads Online! 

FYI I've seen someone running Eureka on a 50 meter curve at max speed (29 mph) and tip off the rails, so likely somewhere below 25 mph would be good for those tighter spots.

That lake route is a nice idea and doesn't look half bad

I would suggest using the three way switch at the saw mill. it might require some re adjusting of one of the crossing points but overall i think using the three way switch would make in a lot easier. the three way would replace the switch that you have right at the loading area if it wasn't clear

Getting the exact location for new industries would be nice, but I think an approximation is fine if you don't want to rebuild the entire network. As long as you get the orientation right so the entry angles are the same.

I think the term you're looking for when you talk about the "window" of the cars and the terrain collision is the "dynamic envelope"

I like the idea of going around the lake. Nice 2% grade is perfect. I will probably move the smelter unless I can find a better way.

Lake Pend Oreille in Idaho has a pretty decent bridge across it, probably 2 or 3 times wider than the in-game lake. They used to have a big trestle across the Great Salt Lake in Utah,but that’s just a giant fill now. They had a station right in the middle of the lake!I think there’s some bigger examples in the South, but I can’t remember what they’re called. Once you get some faster engines, the longer alignments are the way to go. I went even further, around the back of the mountain past the coal mine, then 3% up the cliff to the iron mine. I found a decent 3% route from the IM to the smelter. I use the Glenbrook and Eureka to handle things on the flats, and a Ruby Basin to help shove them up the hill. If you can, save up for a Eureka since it can do close to 30 now!

31:55 You _would_ "screw up" your loading (i.e. you have to reverse to the crane in order to load both products). But placing the switch next to the cranes would give you an easy option to reverse the train. As it is now, a train that comes down going forwards will have to go back up going backwards. (Unless you do some ridiculously long reverse stretch that involves going into one of the inland-facing main lines.) If you want to completely re-design the sawmill, I'd _either_ start with a _full_ circle in front of the loading platforms, and wye everything into that; _or_ do _all_ connections into the line up to the smelter (both the main around the lake and the main to the freight depot) and keep only a single teardrop loop past the loading platforms.

Oh my word i literally built a track exactly just how kan did on my own server following up around the lake 2% very good open plan no need for future planning for other industries up the mountains.

7:17 is comedic gold

cordwood seems to make bank in the game if you're chasing some extra money! love the videos cheers Kan.

Hey Kan, I was wondering if you could revisit the logic transmission in Scrap Mechanic? I know that was a while ago but I think it would be pretty awesome!

That's really the big problem with huge parts of this map: It's not designed with the intention of being usable with tracks. Same with some huge even looking areas in the hills. They are all so lightly uneven that it's a pain to actually put down an industry and make a station there. The devs actually changed one of the areas with the content update so they could fit the farm there. Buried the stuff of anybody who built there in the process. That map could and should work so much better for this game.

Track building -- woot! Always the best type of episode. 🙂

I know there's a few cases here in NZ [Dunedin->Port Chalmers, Te Waihora/Lake Ellesmere] where they do have rail lines running on embankments through sections of lake and sea.

Hey Kan, I’m wondering if you can use this same alignment method to connect the coal mine to the 4%. That would eliminate the reliance on a crazy 10% grade. You could probably go around the near-side of the lake and hook in where the big iron bridge crosses the valley to the freight depot. As for your mill issue, maybe try replacing the mainline/smelter switch with a three-position switch, then use some diamonds to connect it with the mine alignment. So your loading doc switch connects to the mine, smelter, and goods alignments (left to right).

Can’t wait to see the Shay. Geared Locomotives are cool. Also, I have Good names for both the Montezuma Locomotive and The Shay: The Montezuma should be named The Monty, and the Shay should be called Sluggard.

I do really enjoy these videos, thanks for the awesome videos.

a recomendation for the load line is that you could use the three point switch again there

Hey, if a dev reads this, add a command to spawn in industries that don't exist on the map when the update comes out with the new industries. This would allow Kan to spawn in the industry in the exact intended location. Console> AddMissingIndustries

Hi Kan, Cache Lake in Algonquin park Ontario has an old rail line that cuts straight across it. The old trestle bridge still exists.

That sounds like a fun 1% track only challenge in your future.😂 15:11

Love your videos kan! Especially the railroad online videos!

Yeah I built a 3-4% bridge through the lake that leads up to the iron mine. The class 48 gave me no issues pulling 6 loaded cars up it and it takes about 2 minutes there and back the scary part it going down backwards for me so I wouldn't have to waste time going through loops to turn around at the bottom.

@kANGaming you can make it from the iron mine to the smelter with a 7.5% grade if you just do a loop and hug the terain

Use the tiny Plantation Gondolas to bring iron to the smelter.

I'm back seat gaming here, but at 5:22 I would have gone out further to the right (with the piece of rail that the train is on). See how the rail from this direction goes left then right and then left again? I'd have gone straight, left, straight. Or maybe even a gradual left turn. And I'd go as far leftwards when passing over the edge at 5:51 to hug the mountain side more, like making a 60° turn on the plateau. 7:24 even more than that. 38:34 is another view on why I would re-do it differently. But hey, that's just my OCD and I don't claim that it's the right amount to have. Though I also do wonder how much one can generally improve their first alignment by going over the finished product in the opposite direction and re-doing everything...

Iron mines have to be located on an Iron Ore vein, but the smelter would be placed where it makes the most sense for the company, They would not place it somewhere like that where they would lose all profitability.

23:10 what you had just described about permafrost, is basically how glaciers work, they melt a tiny bit then freeze, melt then freeze, so on and so on, thats where your movement comes from, basically its similar to sand dunes on a beach, just much slower.

My advice is to build the loop before you build your switches. It's going to take a lot of work, but it'll look nicer than a dual track loading dock with a turntable

I liked my lake track in my save that went bye bye, thanks for the motivation to rebuild it! I had it level with the lake like that Spirited Away scene, leading to one of the islands that I had set up as a water and fuel junction.

When you are buying the engine I would recommend the Eureka it's speed got buffed to 24mph Don't forget to look into the tutorial menu that's on H or M don't remember exactly they show the loco speeds in km/h there Also in my save I have two routes from the iron mine to the smelter both of them go down south and loop around you can get it down to 3% that way but there were a lot of steel bridges If you want a fast road from the iron mine build a 4.5% down south and get up to 48mph(the trains can handle like 250m turns but it's not like you need to really turn there)

Its funny you said at the start you don't think they intended to have you build track around that cliff face because every time i have build there that's how I get up is coming around the outside of the lake and up that cliff.😅 Also if I might make a recommendation when using two switches "butt to butt" I like to put a singe on one of them this helps remind me from a distance what dose what even if I cant read the singe from the approach.

I ran 2.5% from sawmill to iron works to coal mine to iron mine to smelter. Super nice views.

I was planning building a track around east side aswell but i wanted to go directly south to the ironworks. You got me hooked to this game. Thanks kAN

The two cars at the end of the bridge XD 7:15 Kinda reminds me of Back to the future ngl

I wouldnt mind seeing you, Hyce and some viewers play on the old map. You should do that!

The height and number of bridges required for such a simple route demonstrates quite nicely why James Hill payed such large bounties on good routes through the mountains. Finding a natural pass with stable slopes saves literal millions of tonnes of infrastructure.

Checkout Norfolk Southern's line across Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana.

From what I remember from the tooltips, Eureka is of right now the fastest engine. Also I moved my iron mine to the top left corner of the map, just below the monument. Built a route at with a minimum of 70m curves and a max 2% grade. Montezuma (my starter engine) took almost 20min (at full load, 6 cars) to get to there. Couldn't even reach it's top speed of 15, maxed out on 12. This was before the speed update thought.

Love your vids Kan and awsome track building

I've taken the line up the NW edge of the lake, 2-2.5% all the way, didn't hug the landscape - just followed the shoreline. I also made the line from the Mine to the Smelter 2-2.5% all the way by creating a zigzag line. Yes, it limits your train length to an extent, but not greatly. Can fit 8 small cars + the 0-6-0 on each spur with room to spare.

Essentially, building the mainline around the sawmill industry, as shown, creates interesting dynamics between all 3 of your lines: what about building your industry track around those routes bound towards more important areas? keeping your mainline clear of industry track by moving out more. Using this for loading: From the load area facing the lake: make a fat S bend round 180 both ways til you get to an alignment exactly how your bridge is set up. Then hook that S bend to a switch connected to said bridge, use the remaining link point to continue a 200 meter wide Mainline-curve headed towards the supply depot. Since the coal mine, ironworks and refinery all require smelter products; making that 4% part of the mainline may be of some use. Your level of intellect and expertise far exceed my capabilities, although, I think my idea is far better for long term growth in other lines.

mont with Betsy is the best. Thats what im running right now and its perfect

I love this series!!

At the sawmill, put in a 3-way stub switch before the loading area. you already have one just outside that area now... Easy fix, and you dont need to redesign the entire area.

Hey Kan, there was a railroad across 4.5-ish km of Rice Lake in Ontario from Harwood to Hiawatha hitting Tic Island in the middle. It was abandoned around 1870 but you can see some of the pilings and the route on Google Earth. (Modern boaters used to hit the pilings once in a while!) There’s a couple RU-vid vids on it too.

Check out the Lake Champlain bike path that crosses the lake on an old railroad right of way

For making it a loop, for the first switch into the new y you made coming to the sawmill from the 2%, you could change the switch to a 3 way switch and connect it to the other side of the sawmill to make the loop.

gotta go right to go left thanks doc hudson

Hey Kan ... Look up "Big Boy Mississippi Crossing" or "great salt lake railroad causeway"

Hey there kAN, My suggestion for your creating a loop at the saw mill it to replace that current switch that only splits one track into two for a switch that does one into three. It might have the issue of a steep curve but it’s still a loading area. (*Please know that I’m nowhere and expert in rail alignments this just a suggestion that could help)

If you plan on playing the Map with more people it may be an good idea to have the new line with some passing tracks so you can use the new Line with high frequency. And maybe you can also find an steeper but not 10% steep way along an edge up to the smelter so you can use the 2% also for Smelterlogging

awesome track! 👍

You could do a switch off the loading loop in the direction of the lake and connect to the bridge on the lake. so you go loading up and then straight out to the mine

Am I the only one that enjoys unexpected tree derailments? I find track building cool, but also some mishaps here and there makes the story a little more interesting in multiplayer.

You could stick with the line and change that switch to a 3-point, or put a y on the bridge over the lake and have it come onto the load

Hey, con, I have an idea how you could do this. Attach your bridge that's already going across the Lake. And then you have that little doc. That's going a ways across the Lake. Which is your unloading your log dock? Why don't you just turn that dock into a bridge? That goes all the way to stop perfect. But it might be better than this. Weird Junction c*** you have to deal with on the other side.

From the Sawmill, go toward the Freight Depot just a little. Turn off to the right and double back. Turn and follow the lake at 2% rise. Use a lot of snaking to gain altitude. You just took the new line from the Iron Ore mine (call it at 12 O'clock) and the 10% to the Smelter is at 5 O'clock. The line I took would come in about 2:30 O'clock and maintain 2% for the run. It does mean a LOT of bridge work and that is the only disadvantage.

I love playing RRO while watching it at the same time!

Nice new “panoramic” rail trail

I work for norfolk southern and we go across lake pontchartrain in new orleans louisiana. Its the longest RR bridge across water in the world and longest RR bridge in the USA and just over 5 miles long

Any episode where kAN ends up in a lake is a good episode.

13:43 that bay is BEGGING for a harbour

I would love to see you and a friend in this map!

Hello Kan check out the Railroads on the Columbia river, my favorite is the Joso Washington bridge

I wish the map showed your track. It would give you more of an idea of how to set up, really. Also it would look fantastic.

Maybe the way to go making the loop at the sawmill is this: When on the track ith the loading platforms to the right, go straight and put the switch after the crossover. Would be quite the wide loop that might connect to the new track right before the bridge across the lake, but that should have enough space for a good radius.

10:20 What is that egg shaped mountain in the distance? You got to make a corkscrew incline around it and park Betsy on top of it at some point in the series.

and the right to go left thing only works when racing on dirt with dirt track race cars.

Firewood stand is also available. I don't know how they refill though. Small footprint and can be dropped in like a roadside stand.

I think that buying the Montezuma for the speed route and getting a friend to help you is the best option to get money quickly

3-way switch at the sawmill!

8:24 if railroads online has pipes you can place then realistically you can lay the pipes Onder the line to take surface water from one side to the other, and drainage pipes sticking out of the side of the mountain (like a porcupine) to remove seepage water so to not have landslides... ❤but it's just a game, I would like to make a goat pass track, hugging all the turns (flat turns mostly, and ups and downs between the turns, it's not for speed, it's for a little Betsy Adventure's 🎉 😳 You have to build on the overhang of that cliff on the horizon at 22:00 😊😆 if it's not just a background picture...

When it comes to engines, I'd like to see you try the Eureka. It also got an increased top speed, bringing it up to 29mph, which is among the fastest in the game.

If that lake freezes in the winter update, the aligment would have polar express vibes

I have to tell you, I was absentmindedly thinking about rainfall on that clif, and how you would end up creating canals and reservoirs with your stoneworks. AND THEN YOU MENTION IT. AND YOU SAY "I know it doesn't matter..." AND LET ME TELL YOU IT MATTERED TO ME. Seriously, I love how you think. On the other hand, that stone foundation is gonna get saturated, so it would be the perfect place for a watertower. I live in a very wet, very old city, and whenever there's a stone foundation, there's a fountain nearby, because the stone will literally sweat on it's own otherwise. And be careful, sometimes water can burst the foundation if it can't escape, but I'm sure your engineers are leaving places for water to flow on the stonework.

If u plan to buy a heisler it is even wider than the cars. You basicly need to be able to see the inner edge of the stone wall for any train engine or car to clear the terrain hitbox sometimes stick out a little bit further than it looks.

i like trains

Hey kan gaming, just to let you know a lil something about the game fam..... Here's a tip, the dirt path that you see on the ground is most likely the path that the developers wants us to take when we make the rail roads. I'm surprised I didn't see that before until after I made 3 really long tracks towards the smelter.

kAN, you should have went full Central Rio & Pacific (crap) and built a switchback up to the smelter and the iron mine

avoid the Shay if you can, there's a reason mine is named 'Slowpoke Rodriguez' 😁 (although i did briefly get it up to 108mph)

the "Grassy Point Swing Bridge" may be of interest to you

@kAN Gaming The Norfolk Southern line over Lake Pontchartrain in New Orleans, LA. On google maps it says Lake Pontchartrain Railroad Trestle.

The great salt lake in Utah has fill right through it which makes the two sides different colors

kAN, you know. YOU KNOW in your heart of hearts that if they freeze over that lake it's going to break Hyce even more. There's going to be not end of videos of people trying to "Polar Express" Betsy over the frozen lake. Sorry for multiple comments and edits, I add stuff as I watch and answer your questions as I hear them. In Utah, there used to be the Great Saltair Railway that ran an old steam passenger and then a trolley tourist/them park train out on the Great Salt Lake out to Antelope Island (the big main island in the middle of the Great Salt Lake.) There's very few older pictures of when the thing was still up and functioning with the train cars out on track laid out over the water, but they're there. The old Great Saltair Railway is no more and is long abandoned. It was part of the Salt Lake Garfield & Western (SLGW) rail line. It initially was like a legit rail line, then the Saltair theme park opened up and it became an attraction. That particular line ran from 1891 to 1959.

The three switch it be good and you can set your other switch up into there anywhere you want to get a good

Hey Kan would it be a better alignment if you start a new track where you started that 2% down and loop around the hill going up to the smelter from the iron mine, could still be steep but possibly better than the 8 and 10% line. Just a suggestion.

I could hear Hyce in my head "Kaaaaaan"

I really hope you make a download of this map cause all the lines look great

you can use a 3-way switch for the loading area at the sawmill

I would have built a massive bridge across the lake over the 2 island, but this track is also really nice

Add a switch after the 3 way switch that loops back like a teardrop into the long 2%

First🎉🎉 and also Loving the new map

33:05 just use a stub 3 way switch and if still to thight through down a diagonal crossover and then either a left or a right switch to make that a perfect loop, which was done before in real life which is now demolished with only a switch and crossover still standing

This line looks like it could be from our Rhaetian Railways

+1 for zooma

Liking this route much more than the ridiculous coaster of doom

passenger train for the views

Whoops! I did that on my playthough video on RU-vid as well.