I Had a VERY CONFUSING Conversation With a Jehovah's Witness... 

Was one for many years, you cannot be saved unless you're a Jehovah's Witness. They won't say that to your face, but in the heart of all diehard members that is it. The free gift of Christ comes with lifetime interest from this group, and people give up their entire lives and dreams chasing the watchtower carrot.

I am a ex jw and I love Jesus Christ so very much

I felt sad for that man. The thought that came to me was that confusion comes from the enemy not God. I pray God would open his eyes and enlighten him.

I heard Ray Comfort use the exact same analogy (ie “I’ve just been stabbed in the back. I have just 3 minutes to live…”) The concept of Grace is very difficult for humans to grasp before we are Christian. “I did way more than you, so I deserve more than you.” is a common feeling. It really takes the Holy Spirit to make us realize than none of us can meet God’s Standard. However, his Grace is truly remarkable. I pray you have planted a seed in that Jehovah’s Witness despite the confusion. God bless you!

Thank you for sharing: I’m a former JW now a born again Christian believer. I talk to JW and record the conversations. You are right, they don’t grasp what you are saying because they are in spiritual darkness. But Jesus sets them free ❤️

i was a JW for over 20 years..basically according to their teaching, there are 3 groups of people..the righteous (who know the will of God and do it); the unrighteous ( who do not know the will or God so do not do it) and the wicked (who know the will of God but refuse or just don't do it). In John 5:28, 29 where it says there will be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous, means the righteous of course are resurrected (to a ressurection of life) and the unrighteous are resurrected so that they will have an opportunity to learn the will of God and do it so they may become righteous.. the wicked are not worthy of a resurrection because they have already received their judgement.. not sure if that clears up any confusion but this is their official teaching.. at least when i was in..i have been out for 8 yrs now.. thankfully..

Exjw here. The word grace is never used and they don’t understand it. Their Governing Body teaches works are essential and even then don’t guarantee salvation. It’s designed for them to be slaving for their religion and completely ignores the gift Jesus has already given.

I was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness in the 80s. Trust me, everything about it is nonsensical.

My family is Italian, they had a few JW weekly visitors, one of them was an elderly yougoslavian named uncle joe, he always came to spead the word etc... even in minus -35deg C weather. My mom and dad always invited him in, my dad would say tell us something good but dont take out any books and leaflets. My dad would go to the cellar and bring up 2 bottles of wine. One they drank at the table and the other was for uncle Joe to take home. The man was always thankful and even ate dinner with us. He was never pushy or rude and never overstepped my dad s rules. He passed away and my folks felt bad they didnt know about his funeral. His replacement(s) are not the same. My folks were great people and always respected everyone.

When I have the opportunity to speak with people from the Kingdom Hall, I ask if they are born again. When they say No, because only 144000 are born again, I refer them to John 3, where Jesus says that unless a person is born again, they can not understand or enter the Kingdom of God. In other words, unless they are born again, they have no place in the Kingdom (and a Kingdom Hall for such people makes no sense). My aim is that these people would believe Jesus rather than the tract society that produces the material they read.

The reason you're confused and he's confused is because witnesses don't use the same terminology for a theological beliefs. Witnesses are very smart when it comes to their own theology but in terms of the larger umbrella of Christianity they really don't know theological terms in the way they're meant to be used.

I'm really enjoying your videos, very practical messages and your presentation is like we're having a chat with you. I'm still working on watching your older videos. Thanks for allowing us to spend time with you.

Well done! I’m sure you gave him something to think about. It may take many such seeds of truth to get them thinking. Don’t give up! I was a Jehovah’s Witnesses for over 30!years and I bead a die hard witness. I left the Org in 2022 and became a Christian. I now expose the Watchtower on my own RU-vid channel. I’m glad I found your channel . I enjoyed your video.❤

I am an ex Elder who disassociated in 2023. Jehovah’s Witnesses use a Bible called the NWT Bible which is completely different than any other translation. They change scriptures to make Jesus appear to be not God himself and a creation of the father they claim to be Jehovah. They sell a hope of everlasting on here earth but according to Paul at Philippians 3:20 we will go to heaven. I have spoken to many JW’s since I left but I don’t tell them I am an ex elder because if they know you are an ex Jw they are trained to leave and walk away. I instead tell them to read the book of John and tell me Jesus is not God… they can’t!

Only Jesus is our Saviour!

JWs have such skewed beliefs. I love that you approached them and if you do visit his hall, please keep us posted. I know you are not shy to have straightforward conversations... I have been on the receiving end of the pamphlets and oi vey, it is confusing indeed

Thank you so much for sharing this! I hope that man thought about what you said and the Bible verses you showed him, and that he talked about it with his wife too. My heart just breaks for JW's. 😢

"People who have never heard of Jesus" is addressed in Romans 1:18-20 18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Cognitive dissonance 😢 they are mindless robots for the watchtower realestate business

I have years of experience with them and I know exactly what you need to ask them and what resources to use. I also have plenty of resources with me that I regularly use to share with them and I also know what their theology teaches. They are difficult but not impossible to reach.

It always strikes me as funny when someone walks up to Mormon's, LDS, JW or any other religion and states they have a genuine question. Then, they proceed to go right to a dogma they know they don't have in common, pretend they are interested and looking for answers, when they are just ONLY 100% looking for where they disagree, and then they go and make a video of it tearing down the other's beliefs. I can't, not for a millisecond, imagine the God and Jesus of the Bible being happy with this type of action.

Interesting conversation. Thank you, Matthew, for providing Biblical guidance!

Amen Praise The Lord Jesus

The most striking part of this interaction is that the 2 women left the guy alone. They NEVER do that so they can be able to pull the other out of the conversation. It's always confusing talking to these people but we must continue to do so!

I do not want to know the amount of souls that are going to be lost because of this kind of teaching. These people have no respect for God and His Word.

To be fair, and not to support JW-ism, it seems that you encountered a JW who wasn’t good at thinking quickly on his feet.

Thankyou Matt, this was very interesting and informative. I found it very helpful, I never know what to say to them, but this was brilliant. Sad that so many are being deceived by them .

Wow what a great question . I’m sure he understood your question . The fact that he couldn’t answer it left him puzzled . He’ll think about it I’m sure . … They are so used to patting themselves on the back on Sundays where they essentially believe they are the only ones who will be saved and the rest of the world will be destroyed that when confronted with a reality check question they are dumbfounded.

I grew up in an JW household, they are mostly confused. Any time I asked questions, they did not have a solid answer. I never chose to get baptized, and I was CSA’d by an elder. I faded away around age 15/16. My family still speaks to me bc they believe I left the truth due to the CSA. I never said that was the reason, and my mother knows that. The other JW’s would not speak to me if they saw me on the streets as I was shunned for leaving. They are a confused people as are their GB leaders.

I have spoken to them before showing them the truth a few times. They no longer come to my house. Although a month ago they tried to stop me while I was walking my dog and I told them I was good and already knew Jesus. They did start following me but then turned and walked the other way.

Poor man. Alone there with no clue about the Bible. You did well!!! ❤

I had some at the door the other day, they said that Jesus is the Archangel Michael. They do not believe that Jesus is God in the flesh.

Hi Matt, yes, have witnessed to JW folk in past. Shared the gospel in love with them. Blessings to you and yours❤❤❤~ Marjorie

Beautifully put ❤

Bless you for being able to do this. I don't think I could personally "have a conversation" with a Jehovah's witness. That kind of stuff is NOT my calling. LOL

The fundamental issue with JWs is they don’t believe Jesus is God. Without that revelation you are lost. It is this very revelation that saved the thief on the cross. He changed his mind about who this person was hanging next to him. This is what repentance means. It doesn’t mean being sorry for your sins, it literally means to change one’s mind. The Greek word is metanoia.

There's your mistake right there Matt. Expecting a simple conversation from what seems a simple question to Jehovah's Witnesses. The conversation will be more like them inviting you onto the squirrel cage wheel that they've been traveling. Once you hop up in there, you both take off in different directions and the hilarity ensues.

Wow! What a fantastic question! Thank you so much for sharing

Matt, I loved your analogy of getting hit by a car and only having 3 minutes to live ...... then 2 minutes and you asked the JW how you could be saved since you can't go out and "live like Jesus". I totally thought of the technique that Ray Comfort uses to ask those (often Catholics) of how he could be saved and mostly they end up saying that they couldn't help him and that it is too late. I appreciate your consistent videos of dealing with the world.

Matt, you have a very calming voice; it makes for easy listening. I have a problem though with the term 'works'. There are a number of works defined in the Bible and it can become confusing if we don't acknowledge the distinctions. We too often equate 'works' with being a bad thing, like what the Judaizers were trying to push on the Gentile converts and even upon the Jews who had become Christians, and then think that there are no works required for our inheritance. These 'Judaizers works' were clearly the works associated with the old covenant requirements of ongoing animal sacrifices, circumcision, dietary restrictions, etc. and were anathema to the new covenant under Christ. I know what you are saying about the evidence of the converted heart, yet the kind of evidence that scripture says that such a heart should portray is sadly lacking in far too many 'Christians'. Even for those who have long been Christians, it is common for laziness to enter in, and they no longer produce the fruit that they once may have. This can show up in many ways - creeping sin, lack of doing the good works we are called to do, etc. - and is not a sign that they were never Christians, but just like the 'parable of the sower', they fail to endure or are in danger of doing so. And the Gospels make it clear that enduring to the end, along with many other conditions (forgiveness, not becoming entangled again in the world, keeping Jesus' commandments, etc,) are an act of our 'free-will' and are just as important to our salvation as having faith is. We can't lump all 'works' under the same banner. In Romans 8:12/13 and in Gal. 6:7/8, Paul very directly warns the 'brethren' (born-again believers) that the fleshly side of us all must not be indulged and that by the Spirit's help, we must put our sinful natures to death or else we will not receive the promised inheritance. These multiple warnings are not to 'fake Christians'! They are to real Christians living in a fallen world who struggle daily to overcome and live as the scriptures call us to, and if we are not diligent in our study life, prayer life and practice of the truth, then we can succumb to the sinful nature and become 'do nothing Christians'. (I know because I was once there and only by God's grace and me saying 'yes Lord', am I restored.) Salvation is not a one-time thing. It is indeed initiated by a one-time act of faith through confession/profession of belief, but it is a path that we then begin to walk where the 'sanctification' we are sealed with by the Spirit molds us more and more to be like Christ, if, that is, we are willing vessels (free-will). We can fall off of that path, but we can also get right back on it. And if we are struggling with something yet being honest with our repentance before God, He will honor that honesty by helping us and preserving our life as we work to overcome. But, if our repentance is not truly genuine, then we make a grave mistake to think that God is ok with that. Our, "Forgive me", was never intended to be a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card that can be used over and over again with no real effort and progress towards the putting away of our sinful practices. Do not be deceived - what we do after becoming born-again matters a great deal as to whether we receive the salvation set aside for us. Either both of those above passages shouldn't be in the Bible, or they are saying loud and clear that 'once-saved-always-saved' (OSAS) is at the least a misinterpretation or at worst a lie from the pit that has mislead many.

Very interesting video Matt. I knew Jehovah's witness believe differently but I didn't really know what they believed this was very interesting. That was nice you went and talked to him in a kind way without being rude and still telling him the truth. 👍

Very well done and explained. Thank you

Go visit the place, come back and tell us what you experienced🙏🏼😁

Thanks Matt ❤

Their stories change as well as their end world predictions

I loved your question, by the way!! ⭐️

The JW's have a near 100% turnover rate over a few years. I don't recall the exact stat on that, but the point is that the ones who leave are left alienated from family and pretty much everyone else. Because of this, it's a good idea to try to be nice to them so that when they eventually leave the JW's they may see a real Christian community as a place to turn. From what I can tell, you were nice to them. I just thought I'd add this.

Very good brother. You did really well. I really hope that these people investigate what they are being taught.

They don’t have the true gospel.

Oh wow, Matt, I’ve just had two JW ladies at my door last Monday. I didn’t even know they had a presence in the area where I live. I’d never talked to any before then and wasn’t sure of their beliefs, but they told me all kinds of bizarre things like that the Trinity theology came about in the 3rd century and that Jesus wasn’t God Almighty but instead Michael the Archangel??? I asked them to come back next week and I’ve been researching JW theology since then, I want to ask them some questions and refer to their Bible translation, if they come back. May the Lord open the eyes of all JWs! 🙏

I pray that his confusion equates to many seeds planted and that God will use what you shared to wake him up.

It never made sense for Ray Comfort to use it for many years and it still doesn't make sense today. Nothing any human can say will ensure with any guarantee such a person will be resurrected. The judging is Jehovah and Jesus who will read their heart and if they are in the memorial tomb then they are remembered and will receive a resurrection.

Welcome to the cult world of the Watchtower of Jehovahs witnesses.

Thanks for this video. What stood out for me is he was not led by the Holy spirit or he wouldnt be confused

Sounds confusing. He would be wondering what's up with the Ray Comfort impersonation. And then he would be thinking, "I met a nice guy today, I'm going to go home and make a wee video about it for youtube and make him sound clueless and ignorant because I know he will never get chance to explain his side of the conversation"... Oh, wait, no he wouldn't.

Every conversation I have with one of them is confusing. They do what I call circle talk and deflection. They don't hear anything you say except trigger words and even if your point is far from their deflection, just one little word will have them asking "So I take it you believe in the trinity." Or "Do you believe God has a name.?" Trying to stay one step ahead of you. Extremely sociopathic.

They don't believe that any one is ever saved until that last second ,when God decides .......we cant have complacency ,dude 😂😂😂

I spoke to my (Baptist) pastor about this once and he said I was right. If Ephesians 2:8-9 says our salvation is not of works then we also cannot do works that will lose our salvation. The Bible clearly says it's "not of works" so you can't gain it or lose it based on your works. I do believe a believer will have works, however. Those are evidence of our salvation. Someone who goes on their life with zero works and zero confession of Jesus probably was not an actual Christian in the first place.

Interesting conversation. I would have told him what I would tell the guy on the road with 3 minutes to live… see what he said to that. Thanks for this story ~ hope I run into a JW. Blessings to you.

He was looking at you with a blank look because that was a crazy question out of left field. He was probably wondering what you were getting at and what your point was. That’s what I’m wondering.

You are so good to talk to them.i have had bad experiences with them and do not give them my time.Saying that,it's very sad that there are good people brainwashed in their kingdom hall.may God's Grace and Mercy be upon us all. ✝️🛐🕊️🖐️

His cult brain shut down. The cult brain cannot compute anything outside of the program.

This sounds very similar to Calvinism to me. The Calvinists believe that there are some "reprobates" or whatever they call them who are people who will _never_ be saved (I don't know how they know this as some people accept Jesus on their death beds) and those people will have the judgement of God and are not even worthy to spend any time on.

They don't know the verses because it's not important to them that you are saved. It is THEIR salvation that they are working for when they are spreading the propaganda and lies of the Watchtower. They are not taught to make deciples. They are taught to be deciples of the Watchtower. I almost cried last time I had a couple at my door, because I wanted to know how can you be saved? - I got the same answer as you did. But as usual it's not thought through and internalized, it's just something they learnt to say and think. They said at one point they were doing much better than the church, because "at least we give out flyers in person and not just in your mailbox". I then pressed the one that talked (coz it's only one that talks when they come at your door usually here), then how can I know I am saved? You can't, he said. There is no way to know. You just gotta do the works he is telling us and have the hope that it's been good enough. Their end-times teaching is all over the place, it's not biblical at all. Not even according to their own perverted translation. I really DO LOVE the JWs tho. I have failed many times in conversation with them tho, because it's so easy to get upset with them when they are not giving you ONE SINGLE STRAIGHT ANSWER and it feels like they twist inside out my own words. The reality is that they aren't listening to what you are saying when it comes to theological matters. What I've found to be way more successful is to talk to them about their personal histories. How they became witnesses etc. What is their story? Who is it really that I have before me at my door when you strip away the automatic propaganda spreading machine called JW? One lady came at me straight up and told me she became a witness because of the lack of love among those that claimed to be the church when she was young. That she came to them because she found comfort in the fact that they believe in annihilation. Why? Because her dad had died when she was 13 (iirc) and he was not a believer she said. And everyone around her told her that her dad was now in hell. She as a 13 year old girl could not bear the thought of that, so she left that faith, and was found by JW who told her to not worry, because her dad wasn't in hell, he was just no more, which was sad, but not horrifying as eternal torment, flames and brimstone and all that the others said he was experiencing. This is TRAGIC. Because I have found that either they have been in the organization their whole lives and just grew up in it and stayed there (you know there are horrible reasons for them being stopped from thinking too much on their own - like the shunning and their internal justice system), or it's preying on people in a bad situation. Extremely few people just walk in and become a member of their organization because they made an informed choice about believing their theology and not someone elses. I also talked to one on the phone during covid. He got angry with me for asking questions. I told him, dude, there's no need to be angry, and he was like - nooooo nooo I'm not angry. He was. :). I don't know. The very best way I can describe some of the conversations with them is like having a conversation with a mix of a human and an NPC.

May I also add that there is a spirit of darkness over the Jehovah's witnesses. That darkness makes them uneasy to discuss at length or reason with you. Hence, the confusion.

Works of righteousness can never be proof or evidence we are saved. There are many groups that do live righteous lives but haven’t trusted in Jesus as they are trusting in how they live as evidence of their place in heaven. No wonder the JW man was confused.

I've had many conversations with JW's. It's true that truth slides off of them like they're made of teflon. It's because of their spiritual blindness. It requires the Holy Spirit to enable them to understand. All we can do is plant the seeds that in time may set them free. We can also pray that they will remember what we shared, and that it will bother them. This works--I've seen it. One JW told me, a couple weeks after I shared a verse with them, "I can't stop thinking about it."

I asked them..."If Jesus gave his life for our sins, why can't you give blood to save your own child.??"" Id say repent and call upon Jesus for forgiveness he can do anything

Faith without works is dead

ANY "conversation" with a "Hovie" is likely to be confusing.

You left a seed, bless you. Hebrews 9:27, Romans 1:20 and Revelation 20:5 are clear that we don't get second chances. The J. W's tragically listen to nine men in N.Y that spew this nonsense through their publications instead of exegeting scripture like we are commanded to do. I speak to them online all the time and they hang their hat on getting a second chance.

Why no windows in your gathering places?

The answer to your question is straight forward and very good news if you are about to die the hope is in the resurrection you clearly would be in paradise

Who won? I'm guessing both?

God is Light: ASV - 1 John 1:5 And this is the message which we have heard from him and announce unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. ASV - 1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: ASV - Isaiah 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but Jehovah will be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. ASV - Isaiah 60:20 Thy sun shall no more go down, neither shall thy moon withdraw itself; for Jehovah will be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended. ASV - Psalms 27:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? NWT - Psalms 36:9 With you is the source of life; By your light we can see light. The Lord Jesus is the source of light: ASV - John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. ASV - John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. ASV - John 1:9 There was the true light, even the light which lighteth every man, coming into the world. John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world knew him not. John 1:11 He came unto his own, and they that were his own received him not. ASV - Revelation 21:23 And the city hath no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine upon it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamp thereof is the Lamb. He is the source of Salvation: ASV - John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name: ASV - Acts 4:12 And in none other is there salvation: for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, wherein we must be saved. (Psalms 27:1) ASV - Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the author of their salvation perfect through sufferings. ASV - Hebrews 5:9 and having been made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him the author of eternal salvation;

Thank you for being kind to him. The JWs are truly misguided but overall good intentions. The whole thing makes me so sad.

I used to work with a man who was the head of the local mormon church...he flat would tell me that all Muslims were saved ""they just came a different way "....but than would say that the repentant theif on the cross didn't actually go to heaven. ""Because paradise was a different place"...also once when I was really worried about going to hell he said ""no your ok hell is only for really bad people "... trouble was he was really skilled in the scriptures.. unlike me..even though I knew he was wrong

Does Ephesians 2:8-9 really say we are saved by grace alone through faith alone? It doesn't say that in my bible. Hmm. Sounds like another gospel to me. Abrahams faith was credited to him as righteousness. So what kind of faith did he have? What did he do with Gods commandment to sacrifice Isaac? What are you doing with Acts 2:38? Have you read it? Have you done it? If not, you are not saved brothers and sisters. Time is short, and it's time to obey God.

Sounds like you did a great job and really gave him a pebble in the shoe, so to speak. Definitely JWs don't learn about Ephesians 2:8-9 from Watchtower because it so completely contradicts what they are taught to believe. Keep him in your prayers, and pray he will encounter more Christians who continue to witness to him. God bless!

I would imagine most people close to death would have a genuine conversion to Jesus. My grandpa did. He accepted the Lord on his deathbed and later we had some indications from the Lord that he was really a Christian when he passed. Sounds like this person you were talking to believes in a "works salvation".

Faith without works is dead.(James 2:26)

James 2:18- ESV 18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. The distinction between faith+works(faith apart from works) and faith through your works is the difference between a hobbyist Christian and a mature Christian. What I do vs Who I am. Nothing you do can save you, but if you are a beloved in Christ, you will be set apart. Coming from someone detransitioning from JW life, a lot of the preaching work we did was under close surveillance, in fact it wasn’t until recently that the governing body has been promoting informal witnessing (preaching on your own time or being opportunistic when you see a potential convert). Most if not everyone does not do informal witnessing because of te demands put on mandatory preaching work. The culture in preaching work originally was to meet the minimum required preach time, now that that has been lifted people either don’t preach at all or no longer have an arbitrary monthly number to aim so they never feel like there work is satisfactory, there’s no in between. To me this sounds like JWs are no more free than the Jews that were enslaved by Egypt.

They don’t want to except the true gospel truth

Interesting talk but get use to the confusion you will see a lot of it throughout life. And on utub. I started out studying a lot of religions. Don't try to understand them just go with it, because they won't hear you no matter what you show them. But don't give up, we still have one second left to hopefully bring someone Home with us... We never know the second Jesus will call...

The reason he couldn't make the distinction, was because the message you gave him was the exact same message he believes.... Works backloading the gospel. Works should have NO place in the gospel message. Ephesians 2:8-9 Who has bewitched you Galatians 3:3 KJV - Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh(Works)?

Matt- you misquoted Ephesians 2:8/9. You added the word alone after grace and faith, just as Martin Luther tried to do. Are you not doing what the JWs do, propagating what they believe by adding or changing words. I believe you are a good faithful Christian and have a somewhat good understanding of scriptures but please be accurate when quoting them lest you mislead some. Thanks- keep up the good work-John

I had a client for years and I would do her hair and we would have long discussions about the Jehovah’s Witnesses, and I would ask her all these things she said the same that everybody will be resurrected at the end and have a second chance, and I said to her well, that would mean that Jesus died in vain because if he’s the only way to salvation and everyone’s getting resurrected for a second chance that rejected Jesus, then that means Jesus died in vain and she just couldn’t get it they’re very skewed in their beliefs and they deeply brainwashed to think that they’re the 144,000 it’s a shame because years and years we discussed the Bible, but she still in the belief that they are the right one true religion.

I would be so disappointed if I was resurrected into the jw paradise, there would be endless threats to do what the organisation decides or the devil gets let out again

Your use of Ray Comfort is consistent with the faith alone view propagated by Huldriech Zwingli in 1523. Before Zwingli baptism was considered the work of God and the time God's grace was conferred on man. Colosians 2:11-14 says: In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Share the Australian Royal Commissions case study 29 with them. You should look into it as well .

Your teaching is based on Calvinism. 1. Perseverance of the Saints: • Calvinism teaches that those who are truly elected by God and saved will persevere in faith until the end. This is based on the idea that salvation is solely the work of God, and what God begins, He will complete This assurance of perseverance implies that true believers will continue to grow in holiness and produce good works as evidence of their salvation. 2. Sanctification: • Sanctification is the process by which believers are gradually made more holy through the work of the Holy Spirit. According to Calvinist doctrine, this process is inevitable for those who are truly saved. Thus, the production of good fruits, or evidence of a transformed life, is a natural outcome of true faith and salvation. I call this backloading the Gospel. "Back-loading the gospel" refers to the idea of introducing works or human effort into the gospel message, not at the front end (as a requirement for salvation), but subtly, at the back end. This typically means that while one might initially preach salvation by grace through faith alone, there is an implicit or explicit addition that true believers must demonstrate their faith through certain behaviors or good works to confirm their salvation. This can be seen as a form of legalism where works are added as a necessary proof of genuine faith, thus undermining the purity of the gospel of grace. Here are the key aspects of "back-loading the gospel": 1. **Initial Presentation**: - The gospel is presented as salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone, without the requirement of works to earn salvation. 2. **Subsequent Expectations**: - After one professes faith, there is an expectation or requirement that believers must produce certain good works or live in a specific manner to confirm or validate their salvation. 3. **Theological Implications**: - This can lead to confusion and anxiety among believers, who might begin to question their salvation based on their performance rather than trusting in Christ's finished work. - It risks shifting the focus from Christ's sufficiency in salvation to the believer's ongoing efforts, thus subtly implying that grace alone is not sufficient. 4. **Comparison with Biblical Teaching**: - The Bible teaches that salvation is by grace through faith apart from works. 5. **Calvinism and Assurance**: - In Calvinism, the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints emphasizes that true believers will persevere in faith and good works as a result of God's grace, not as a prerequisite or proof to maintain salvation. In essence, back-loading the gospel distorts the message of grace by subtly reintroducing a form of works-righteousness. Salvation rests solely on the finished work of Christ and is received by faith alone.

I had the same conversations. They cannot explain what they believe nor theological and biblically.

Jesus said I will be with you for all times. Mt 28 JWs skipped 1900 yrs. You’re welcome

It doesn't matter what belief you have...the problem is the "believers"....as long as there are large groups of believers who can withdraw from reality into their own imagined fantasy world, we will not solve the problems .

If a man is willing to take is own life because of suffering and another man is willing to endure the suffering. Who will you gift life to? Accepting Jesus mean you are willing to do what he requires of you, that is teaching others or preaching the good news. What is the good news? Life everlasting and the kingdom of God. What happened when you don't teach people about the good news you have heard? Judgment, because the others are to die cos you fail to teach the good news ( the kingdom of God).

Ex J W here 1962-1978, elder, speaker, ministerial servant. I disassociated myself realizing JW’s is a cult.

..how about i ask you the same question.....if your heart stopped today and JC said to you, ", why should i let you into my heaven, ? what is your answer ? i hope you know the answer john....or, it could be a case of Matthew 7:3-5 King James Version 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

And not to say that these people all don’t want to actively save people BUT the organization forces them to go out and preach. If they don’t they are shunned. Going out preaching because you Have constant negative consequences held over your head isnt works produced by faith it’s works produced by fear.

What did you expect from a cult (member)?

Let me ask you a question if Christ hasn't returned have YOU got your salvation?