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I'M CRYING AND WILL NEVER RECOVER!
Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir Season 5 Episode 14: " Derision "
Summary: Marinette prepares to have a normal date with Adrien, but she begins to suffer repeated panic attacks, creating an emotional situation that could make her a target for Monarch.
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@IAmZamber
@IAmZamber Год назад
We will have a one week break from Miraculous Ladybug as I am watching them as they premier in English Dub on Disney Channel US. I will still be uploading a video about Miraculous on June 13th, but the next 'reaction' will not be posted until the following Tuesday! :D
@thatmiraculousfan4114
@thatmiraculousfan4114 Год назад
Oh my goshhhhhhh this hiatus is going to be so long haha! I know it’s not your fault Zamber it’s just that I LOVE your reactions to these episodes haha :))
@ShadowBerry
@ShadowBerry Год назад
But i dont get it? Intuition ep 15 and the rest of the episodes already aired in english dub on disney channel us
@bigguy952
@bigguy952 Год назад
@@ShadowBerry not officially in Disney channel US, they aired in other areas in English in other countries but until it airs in USA officially, she’ll wait.
@bigguy952
@bigguy952 Год назад
Can’t wait to see what you got in store for next week’s post about Miraculous
@plushmakerfan8444
@plushmakerfan8444 Год назад
Yes finally you listen to me!
@kingjwhit8812
@kingjwhit8812 Год назад
I think the sweetest think about that flashback is how Socqueline is the reason Marinette wears pigtails to remember what she taught her😭
@sabbiss
@sabbiss Год назад
ohmygod that makes so much sense ahh
@lulystalgianature2968
@lulystalgianature2968 Год назад
That was a very heartwarming touch.
@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll
@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll 7 месяцев назад
Except those pigtails of Marinette's are really ugly.
@bennysontennyson
@bennysontennyson 6 месяцев назад
​@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydollhell nah her pigtails are awesome but of course I think his hair down is much prettier
@Rem_loves_ryuk
@Rem_loves_ryuk 2 месяца назад
I thought the same thing
@rafaelmatos5851
@rafaelmatos5851 Год назад
Kim's dark side being showed in this episode was not sudden. We have already been showed that he can get quiet cruel when he takes his pranks and taunts too far. I mean, he caused Ivan's first akumatization. Also, Zamber, did you notice that Kim was the only one of Marinette's allies who she didn't choose? Kim was chosen by Master Fu. That was also a clue for her trauma. However, I am glad that Kim had come to learn about the wrongs of his actions and decided to become a better person. I mean, despite his cruel pranks, his naivity and inability to perceive the pain caused by his pranks, he is actually quite a lovable goof and a loyal friend.
@arthurwatson2555
@arthurwatson2555 Год назад
THIS^ This is what people need to hear Nothing was really changed about his character here and he also explicitly expressed a willingness to change and started thinking about when all was said and done, he even gave an earnest apology and remorse for his akumatized state, so I think we just need more critical thinking towards Kim, and not jump to labeling him a "red flag" especially after expressing said willingness to change , this also makes a good parallel to Chloe who is also confronted on what happened by a loved one and constantly expresses no willingness to change.
@slaydeee
@slaydeee Год назад
U are everywhere 😭😭
@hedefbogazici4
@hedefbogazici4 Год назад
Kim's dark side? Also why did she keep giving him the miraculous? Can't she give it to another person after "Party Crsuher"? What prevent her to do that? He is... Monkey thing until season 4 finale. (I forget his super hero name.)
@rafaelmatos5851
@rafaelmatos5851 Год назад
@@hedefbogazici4 Everyone has a dark side... especially when they take their flaws to the extreme. Kim has always been showed as being the class clown and very naive. But he can take all those to an extreme to the point he can't even see how he hurts the people that he targets with his pranks or be inconsiderate with their feelings. But that doesn't mean he is a bad person, only that he needs to work on his compassionate side. And Marinette kept using him as King Monkey because she is a good person and knows that Kim is also a good person despite his flaws, being able to look over his cruel prank. After all, when she realized what was causing her panic attacks, she didn't blame Kim, she blamed Chloé and forgave Kim for his actions. Not to mention that she also trusts Master Fu and, being Kim one of his chosen ones, she respected his choise and kept giving him the Monkey Miraculous.
@fuchsia02
@fuchsia02 Год назад
@@hedefbogazici4she knows he’s a good king monkey despite her own issues with him
@whateverandapathy
@whateverandapathy Год назад
Not Chat being way more comfortable with straight up Killing people after Cataclysming one person.
@IAmZamber
@IAmZamber Год назад
right?!?!? boy is losing ittttttttttttt
@ArmiGirl90
@ArmiGirl90 Год назад
First Monarch (his dad!) then almost with Darker Owl and now Dark Humor! Is this foreshadowing villainy!?
@SaraSong-mw3zm
@SaraSong-mw3zm Год назад
@@ArmiGirl90 lol what if its like really deep symbolism of him trying to get rid of the darkness inside himself/life but he keeps on failing to do so XD LOL
@ArmiGirl90
@ArmiGirl90 Год назад
@@SaraSong-mw3zm Let’s hope so cuz God help us if our golden boy becomes the new Butterfly Miraculous holder! Like how Marinette thought!
@DunyaYoumis
@DunyaYoumis 6 месяцев назад
​@@IAmZamberfrfr like he lost his mind
@samdefalco705
@samdefalco705 Год назад
This episode in a nutshell Adrien-“you’re an irredeemable monster” Chloe-“what took you so long? Idiot!”
@delphoxhoopa7289
@delphoxhoopa7289 Год назад
For real 😮‍💨
@_cran
@_cran Год назад
Also add => Marinette: "I know what's wrong with me! :D"
@brodypl5804
@brodypl5804 Год назад
Nah this episode in a nusthell would be like: Thomas: She's not getting reedemed stop spamming on my twitter
@kainightshade5033
@kainightshade5033 Год назад
AHHHHHHHH LMAOOOOOOO THAT'S BEAUTIFUL!
@adz9405
@adz9405 Год назад
@@_cran time?
@PuccaLover15
@PuccaLover15 Год назад
I was so proud of Adrien in this episode!!! He saw his girlfriend was in distress, took things slow and easy with her, assured her it was alright if she needed time and would still be there for her, was patient, defended her, and finally ended things with Chloe! I mean, he did go overboard nearly Cataclysming Kim as revenge for hurting Marinette. He’s such a good boyfriend though! He’s so patient and understanding with Marinette!
@MarcMagma
@MarcMagma Год назад
9:20 - 9:26 I love the death glare the otherwise sweet and empathatic Adrien gave Kim upon hearing what he did. He immediately went into 'protective boyfriend' mode and I love it. ❤
@naylisyazwina6836
@naylisyazwina6836 11 месяцев назад
Man this episode made me cry my eyes out. Season 5 is literally the best season. Idk how people think it's the worst season
@MarcMagma
@MarcMagma 11 месяцев назад
​@@naylisyazwina6836 From what I've seen, these are the most common reasons: 1. Chloé-fans don't like it because, you know, no Chloé redemption arc and Zoé. 2. Haters of Marinette hate it because, well, they literally hate the main character who is at the centre of most episodes. This extents to Adrien haters, too, of course. 3. Some don't like it because it's less episodic and more serialized as it was the episodic "villain of the week" formula that attracted them to the show in the first place. 4. Some don't like the ending which ruined the season for them. Especially Adrien-fans are unsatisfied. 5. Some grew to dislike the show in general yet refuse to drop it for whatever reason thus watching and hating it and then venting their frustrations online. 6. Some don't like the creator Thomas Astruc and can't separate the work and the people behind it. 7. Some didn't like writing decisions or character portrayals throughout the season. 8. And lastly, some just didn't enjoy it or at least most of its episodes for no actual reason (enjoyment is emotion-based, after all and emotions don't exactly follow reason and logic).
@yoodlepoodle69
@yoodlepoodle69 11 месяцев назад
@@MarcMagmapeople should be grateful that the show exists. if they don’t like it- leave. They don’t need to be apart of the fandom anymore 🤷‍♀️ wouldn’t miss em’!
@MarcMagma
@MarcMagma 11 месяцев назад
@@yoodlepoodle69 100% agreed. Unfortunately, from what I've been told by such people, they either lhave either grwon to love hating this show too much or hope that by hating on the show and harassing the people involved, they can change things their way aka for Chloé to get a redemption arc, Zoé removed form the show and never managed again (or killed off, depending how spiteful the one you ask is) and God known what they want to happen to Marinette. As such, plus the fact that in my experience, reasoning with them is impossible, I'm afraid they won't leave the fandom any time soon, if ever.
@batmanvsjoker7725
@batmanvsjoker7725 Год назад
This is an episode where the show got way too real. I've never experienced bullying, but anyone who suffers through it daily has my deepest sympathies. That detail of Marinette being afraid to go to school because of Chloe hit me hard. School can be a place you don't like to go, but it should never be a place you dread to go.
@adrienette4ever568
@adrienette4ever568 3 месяца назад
I got bullied in school, but it was never that bad
@randomgamer6774
@randomgamer6774 Год назад
I actually love how Zamber instantly figured out that she has PTSD from the pool
@DimensionSpawn
@DimensionSpawn Год назад
Chloe: "Traitor!" Me: You betrayed Earth for your own ego. You have no right to speak about who took part in treason.
@iovelusion
@iovelusion 10 месяцев назад
Girl she did what she did and she slayed while doing so
@renji90998
@renji90998 Год назад
It’s no surprise that Kim isn’t that bright, but _man_ did they make him dense in this episode. You’d think after Dark Cupid, he’d be aware that what he did was wrong. I am glad that Adrien cut ties with Chloe. He’s given her plenty of chances and refused to change. All that’s left is for Sabrina to wise up.
@masterripper5409
@masterripper5409 Год назад
I love how Kim's akumatized forms have the most colour changes.
@bigguy952
@bigguy952 Год назад
8:20 it was at this moment, Zamber had a big epic rush of flashback from all the reactions she had of Miraculous where she poked a little fun at Marinette’s character quirk of over-planning to the last detail and realized “Oh Gosh what have I done?!” At least we all know where Marinette gets her quirk from and it was just a defense mechanism borne from the trauma caused by Chloe and Kim. I just hope Chloe gets what’s coming to her, because that spoiled attitude is going to bite her back hard. Also girl swimmer’s name is Ondine (On-Deen for phonetic pronunciation)
@MichelleTurtleDove
@MichelleTurtleDove Год назад
Kim wasn't the only one that Chat Noir got mad at and about to cataclysm them it was Mr Damocles as Darker Owl
@TitaneRam
@TitaneRam Год назад
The difference is that at first Catnoir's anger came from the Miraculous power that played with his feelings and so Dark Owl wouldn't deserve to be Cataclysmed, but then Kim tells his story with Marrinette and shows that he's an A-hole even without being a super villain so he totally deserves to turned to ashes
@giacomoaluotto4053
@giacomoaluotto4053 4 месяца назад
​@@TitaneRamKim deserves to be dinner for Animan
@TitaneRam
@TitaneRam 4 месяца назад
@@giacomoaluotto4053 fr
@agxnyghoul5481
@agxnyghoul5481 Год назад
Can we take a moment to appreciate Zambers top??! The sparkle is beautiful !!
@delphoxhoopa7289
@delphoxhoopa7289 Год назад
Just when you think Chloe can't be more despicable than she already is....😤
@thegreendragon5390
@thegreendragon5390 Год назад
Don't worry, Lila will find a way to be even worse.
@user-yw8ys4kq5x
@user-yw8ys4kq5x 4 месяца назад
cloe was good before season 3
@penguin32700
@penguin32700 Год назад
Just to be clear, this episode is not intended to justify or excuse what Marinette did, it simply informs us of what happened that lead her to make such a choice, a choice she learned over time was not her best course of action and was something she learned overtime was wrong and had to give it up. It was established since season 1 that Marinette was severely bullied by Chloe for years, but people didn't really want to think to what extent, well, it was to the point when Marinette had little to no self confidence. Unlike the years before, the reason we don't see chloe go to such extremes to bully Marinette now, is because Marinette learned to stand up for herself and defend herself. When Marinette started dating Luka, she didnt need to be as cautious with him because he had no connection to Chloe, and because she got to know him better under more normal means and ultimately realized he would always be there for her (Heart hunter for example). But with Adrien, its different as she is getting to know him past the image of perfection she always imagined him as, and was advertised as. For Marinette, there were things about Adrien she didnt know yet, like how she discovered he hated being a model, and it was precisely the fear of the unknown that made her doubt Adrien would actually consider her over his childhood friend, who was ironically chloe,. Back in "Ephemeral", Marinette was able to accept Adrien much more easily because she realized that no matter what she went through, Adrien really was always there for her from the very beginning, as Cat Noir. But now, its different since they dont know each others identities. Adrien built his trust with Ladybug, but he doesnt have that same trust with Marinette just yet, so its harder for her to accept that she can love him without fear of what wrong could happen.
@utilizadorgoogle9844
@utilizadorgoogle9844 Год назад
I agree with you about 90%. I only disagree about her feelings for Adrien. Yeah, through time she got to know him better and her feelings grow even more but she never fell for his public image. Yeah she idolised him a bit due to the fact that her anxiety didn't help her approach him so she followed his model life. But she fell for him due to his genuineness and kindness. He opened up with her about his lack of friends and social skills and tried to befriend her after she misjudged him. These characteristics made her fell for him in the first place. This seriousness about his feelings was what Chat Noir lacked and that's why until Glaciator, Marinette never though he was genuine about his feelings. She compared his "confessions" with Kim's. Of course, we already knew that in that diary series, she said that if it wasn't for Adrien, she would probably fell for Chat. That points to the fact that she had feelings for him but since she loved Adrien and a relationship between superheroes didn't make sense, she ran away from those feelings. After Strike Back, Chat Noir started showing more of his seriousness and since Marinette was trying to pretend she didn't have feelings for Adrien, it was easy for her feelings towards Chat Noir to surface.
@penguin32700
@penguin32700 Год назад
@@utilizadorgoogle9844 I probably should have gone into better detail. We know she fell for Adrien because of his kindness, but the show expressed that what held her back from accepting that things would be ok with him now that she knew he loved her, was her fear of the unknown as she realized there were things about Adrien she didnt know, such as how much he actually hated being a model. The more she realized there were things about him she still didnt know, was the more she believed there was still the chance that Adrien would choose the word of his childhood friend, Chloe, over her, when the time came
@utilizadorgoogle9844
@utilizadorgoogle9844 Год назад
@@penguin32700 I get you now. It was just the way you worded it. You said "she is barely getting to know him after realizing the image of perfection she always imagined him as, and was advertised as, was not the real him" She liked him but she knew she didn't fully know him and that's why she was "afraid of him", as you explained now. What I was trying to say was that she didn't have a previous image of him in her head based on what was advertised, otherwise, she would immediately freak out in Risk.
@karmaslyrics
@karmaslyrics Год назад
Now that it's context as to why marinette does stalker stuff with adrien is because of what kim and chloe did Luka still seemed like the better choice. But it seems like Adrien is the complete opposite of what she was looking for. ADRIEN'S ANGER I STAN!!! (in defense of Marinette or injustice though.)
@Aydan2108
@Aydan2108 8 месяцев назад
Justifie what Marinette did?, what did she do?
@Rognik
@Rognik Год назад
Remember, Kim was crushing on Chloe all the way back in Dark Cupid, and that's how he got akumatized the first time. He's also been a bit of a bully in the first season, even if he wasn't usually that bad. Seasons 2-5 is where his bad qualities were mostly ignored.
@giacomoaluotto4053
@giacomoaluotto4053 4 месяца назад
He was also mean to my Panther
@gusdonasci
@gusdonasci Год назад
Curiosity: Marinette currently wears pigtails to remember Socqueline and create courage to face Chloé
@None-Gone
@None-Gone Год назад
That would be so wholesome.
@poisxnivi
@poisxnivi Год назад
​​@@None-Gone it's confirmed!
@gusdonasci
@gusdonasci Год назад
@@poisxnivi Exactly.
@bigguy952
@bigguy952 Год назад
Yep I think it was in Jubilation episode where she said she copied her friend’s hairstyle to gain courage
@someteennamedcharles2035
@someteennamedcharles2035 Год назад
That is definitely what they were going for. 😁
@rabbitwithglasses2943
@rabbitwithglasses2943 Год назад
Chloe: "traitor.." also Chloe: got akumatized willingly many times on previous seasons
@rafaelmatos5851
@rafaelmatos5851 Год назад
To think that eight-grade Chloé was even worse than ninth-grade Chloé is really surprising. But I guess that, after Marinette was able to stand up against her after becoming Ladybug caused Chloé to lose her favorite target. But one thing Miraculous does well is to show that not everyone is willing to change their ways. I mean, yeah, everyone can change, but not everyone is willing to change and Chloé has no reason to change. She has everything she wants whenever she wants and she can get away with her actions because her father is the mayor and he spoils her. For Chloé to really want to change, she would need to lose everything and hit hard bottom, and even then it would all depend on the influence she would have over her, being it good or bad.
@jaredtheastralartist2510
@jaredtheastralartist2510 Год назад
I semi disagree with that. While I do think it’s true that some people will never change. I think the way miraculous handles it is really bad. Like Chloe’s has done some bad bad things in the past(1-3), but she was never evil. The writers want us to make us think that she’s irredeemable, so why did they give her a three episode arc that explains why she is the way she is, and have a change as a result of that? Even in episodes like antibug or zombiezu or oblivio, it was showing that Chloe despite all of her flaws, values her friends( Sabrina and Adrian), cares about the people in her life, wants to be like the person she’s inspired by in ladybug, and just wants to be liked by her mother and the people around her. They had a character arc. They had a STORY! And I understand the whole purpose of her turn around in season 3s finale was to make us is like her even more, I’m sorry, but throwing away a whole character arc isn’t smart. It’s just bad writing. Because in attempt to make a azula, they made a Zuko. And they try to make us hate her in the later seasons by flanderising post redemption Chloe more and more. Especially with Zoe, who is very bland as a character and was only made to have another bee miraculous holder. And Especially because there’s characters worse than Chloe that the writers want to feel sympathy for. You’re telling me the show want me to feel sympathy for hawkmoth but not for Chloe? Ultimately, this is probably my least favorite aspect of the show. And how they could’ve had something really good, but they fumbled. I Actually would’ve liked this episode if they made it so that Chloe takes the choice to apologize to Marinette herself after hearing about it from Adrian. That would’ve been a really good step in her character. But no. I still like miraculous. I’ve been with the show since the beginning, but this is just one part of the show, where I just was always mad at. It’s awful at worst and lazy at best.
@rafaeltorres2595
@rafaeltorres2595 Год назад
She's not better now, in fact she's even worse, but in 9th grade Adrien and Alya joined class and people starting taking the guts to opose to her. Thats the only difference
@lulystalgianature2968
@lulystalgianature2968 Год назад
And because people are starting to defend themselves now, Chloe has a hard time tormenting people now, and it frustrates her to no end.
@iovelusion
@iovelusion 10 месяцев назад
No she’s worst bc they want to make more people hate her and I’m just not going for that.. I’ll always love Chloe
@devilsora100
@devilsora100 Год назад
Also regarding Kim, he used to be kinda insensitive before. Remember it's because of him that Ivan got akumatized in Origins, and he didn't notice Ondine's feelings for him either. He's not an outright bully, but he has zero idea of where the limit stands and ends up hurting people. He got a little better when he became King Monkey (note that just like Chloé, he didn't get chosen by Marinette to get his even if she gives it back to him later on), but he's still got a lot of progress about being a better person to make, a lot to learn to avoid falling deeper into the stuff he let Chloé make him do.
@1slamsWorld
@1slamsWorld Год назад
Omg!! This episode is so cute! The fact that Adrien is so inlove is that so adorable! The fact the is protective of Marinette and that he is patient with her!! It's soooo cuteeee ❤❤❤
@tainamichelle2683
@tainamichelle2683 11 месяцев назад
I know right? Their love for each other is so darn adorable!!
@1slamsWorld
@1slamsWorld 11 месяцев назад
@@tainamichelle2683ik it makes me so happy!
@masterripper5409
@masterripper5409 Год назад
I like how the flashback scene looks like a pilot episode.
@justintime9314
@justintime9314 Год назад
I still like Kim. Kim seems like the ignorant innocent kind of person. Chloe took advantage. Blame her. Not Kim. Also I love the part when Adrian finally ended his friendship with Chloe. I was surprised the first time.
@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll
Thank you! You explained Kim perfectly!
@justintime9314
@justintime9314 Год назад
​​@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll 😅 just showing my POV Edit: Besides. I'm kinda the ignorant innocent type myself.
@arthurwatson2555
@arthurwatson2555 Год назад
Yeah, that's the takeaway I had
@Someguyhere111
@Someguyhere111 Год назад
Exactly, Kim's not malicious, just ignorant. He seems to have trouble reading social cues and understanding that not everyone is as carefree and thick-skinned as himself, and when he's scolded for being insensitive he instinctively defends himself.
@deondrex18k
@deondrex18k Год назад
Oh i knew a Kim at my highschool 🙄😅 he wasn't necessarily a bad guy just very reluctant and easily manipulated by other guys in his "friend group" and girls that "liked him" but really they just wanted to use him cause he had money and was popular for being one of the top jocks at the school i like him as well and somewhat looked up to him since he was big and tall and had a loud manly voice so i saw him as a big brother figure i hated how people easily took advantage of him and it made me draw myself away from him a bit because of the people he hanged around with that had a bad influence on him idk how he saw them as cool kids when they were the complete opposite 😢
@zsand0123
@zsand0123 Год назад
Imma say it now, Socqueline was done dirty by Marinette. She was never mentioned or even gotten a visit from Marinette until this season which seems to take place almost about a year after the events of the flashback. This is the same girl who literally got basically expelled from school for Marinette and girly couldn’t even shoot her a text from time to time? Her character felt so similar to Alya in this episode and it really just makes it seem like Alya was this replacement for Socqueline during the next school year. To think back on everything that Alya and Marinette went through together and it makes me feel kinda bad that Marinette basically just forgot about her other friend, Socqueline once she left the school. What’s even sadder is that we literally see that Socqueline’s biggest dream is to be just like Ladybug and be a superhero as well, and Marinette doesn’t even stop and consider giving her one of the other miraculouses. If I were Marinette, Socqueline would probably be one of the first people I gave a miraculous to knowing what’s she’s done for me in the past. But no, instead we just hand out the miraculouses to all of the classmates, many of which Marinette doesn’t even seem all that close with either, especially Sabrina who was seen to be joining in on the bullying with Chloe during the last school year and at the start of the current school year. And after seeing what Kim has done in this episode, idk why Marinette would’ve ever given him the monkey miraculous back. I know Master Fu originally picked him but if I were Marinette, I’d never give Kim back a miraculous after that first time when he initially used it. Honestly, can we just take the monkey miraculous now and give it over to Socqueline or Ondine (Kim’s gf)? They would make much better heroes imo!
@christianlimon5925
@christianlimon5925 Год назад
This was a very interesting episode to understand more of their past. Specifically Marinette perspective.
@JasperDStar
@JasperDStar Год назад
This episode showed us that Season 1 Chloe, is actually an improvement over her past self
@phantomknight5728
@phantomknight5728 Год назад
I think Chloe might still get a “redemption”, except it’s very likely that it will take a very long time, until possibly the end of the entire show. Ultimately Chloe did do a lot of bad things in the shows beginning, so the writers might of felt that being Queen Bee wasn’t truly going to make Chloe a better person. Instead for Chloe to truly be redeemed she might have to lose connections with people using her as just a tool for their own plans (Ex. Hawkmoth and Lila) and also realize the consequences of her actions and actually try to be a better person (kind of like what Kim was saying near the end of this episode, perhaps that was the show trying to tell us what it will take for Chloe to change). Anyways great reaction! Can’t wait to see what comes next in the show!
@lulystalgianature2968
@lulystalgianature2968 Год назад
This episode definitely explained so much about Marinette. It was quite shocking to see Adrien purposely trying to kill someone. I think this is the first time? Anyway, great for him for breaking up his friendship with Chloe. You can only give so many chances to a person.
@FloraCavaliere-fm3ob
@FloraCavaliere-fm3ob 11 месяцев назад
No is the second time he chataclysm gabriel hand so he wear gloves and he is dying
@vanessanhs
@vanessanhs 8 месяцев назад
​@@FloraCavaliere-fm3ob I think it wasn't on purpose, actually the second time was with dark owl (I guess that's his name)
@zash1233
@zash1233 Год назад
This ep really showed me how crucial Alya is in marinettes life .
@Infinite42
@Infinite42 Год назад
Marinette done her hair into twin tails in memory of her friend Socqueline
@Someguyhere111
@Someguyhere111 Год назад
I think they laid it on a bit thick when Marinette announces how she'll never love a boy again until she knows everything about him, when she basically starts listing off all the things she'd find out about him. Sometimes less is more. But I do love and appreciate how her quirk of her brain melting any time she "talked" to Adrian, which was just starting to get a little annoying with recent developments, suddenly now has this tragic element to it. Trauma isn't easy to get over, even if you know the source of it and have lots of support. Also, remember how badly Marinette freaked out when she almost kissed Adrian, thinking he was just a statue? This episode really shines a new light on that.
@patrickkh1245
@patrickkh1245 Год назад
I cant believe he is still in love with Chloe Even though he has a girlfriend.
@JanceSoltero
@JanceSoltero Год назад
What can you say love is blind specially when it’s Chloe.😢
@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll
Show writers desperate to make sure Adrienette is a superior ship by putting down other ships like Kimdine ect.
@MGory828
@MGory828 Год назад
@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll Can we also talk about how Cat was willing to kill Kim over a prank? It’s inconsistent, but I can at agree to why Cat would hurt Kim. In this case, Cat hurting Kim for hurting his gf is valid. Way to be a good boyfriend. But murder? Murder, are you for real Adrien? So your just going to kill anyone who pranks your gf now? That isn’t protective to me. That’s psychopathic. But then again, canon adores making CN a psycho.
@littlesparrow303
@littlesparrow303 Год назад
Yeah just shows that Kim isn’t loyal in the end & can’t believe she still decides to stay with him. Me & my friend agree if we were her we would break up with him on the spot
@kevinmorris3200
@kevinmorris3200 Год назад
⁠@@littlesparrow303 she’s stupid like him. They are made for each other.
@hectorarandapalomares9858
@hectorarandapalomares9858 Год назад
This episode broke me so hard because of all the suffering Marinette went through with Chloé and I hate Kim so much, poor Marinette 😢
@gracievillafana4039
@gracievillafana4039 Год назад
Agh, the flashback was a lot to take in and I wasn't expecting that, not gonna lie!!! Plus, with the ending, I got a weird Chloe feeling that Chloe is going to squeal on Adrien to his dad about Adrien breaking their friendship.
@SaraSong-mw3zm
@SaraSong-mw3zm Год назад
Adrien was ready to murder Kim: Litterally XD But one thing that I did find interesting is that when Adrien does get angry he ends up resembeling his father in multiple ways in mannerisms/speech. That may just be me but I think it is interesting. Espessially when it comes to someone his loves and everything. lol
@pearlrocks3209
@pearlrocks3209 Год назад
16:35 I dont think people understand that those good moments we saw Chloe have in previous seasons, were simply just moments where Chloe was willing to do and say the right thing, but this never meant she wanted to uphold the lessons the heroes (and others) taught her in her day to day life, which is why we always saw Chloe revert back to her original personality near the end of an episode or the next one after that. There was no redemption planned for Chloe, the people who work on the show said a bunch of times that some people just missed a lot of details revealing her unchanged personality and future downfall.
@arthurwatson2555
@arthurwatson2555 Год назад
It was never Chloe's redemption arc, it was always her growing villain arc
@aria5011
@aria5011 Год назад
I agree. I don't know why people still think Chloe will get redeemed. If the writers planned on her getting redeemed, she would have been redeemed by now. She was meant to be a villain, and I can't wait to see more of her and Lila's partnership.
@lulystalgianature2968
@lulystalgianature2968 Год назад
People are disappointed because we got too many moments of Chloe doing good. Can she be good? Absolutely. Anyone can. But even her good deeds had selfish motives behind them. Remember Despair Bear? Not only was the party to get on the good side of Adrien, but when she saved Ladybug from Chat Noir, she immediately asked if anyone saw that. The satisfaction of saving Ladybug, who was her hero back then, wasn't enough. She wanted people to praise her for it. And then her debut as Queen Bee. Do people forget that she endangered a train full of people so that she could 'save' them? She doesn't want to be a hero or do good because it's the right thing to do. She wants the perks and image that comes with the hero persona. Her revealing her identity in front of everyone was a big red flag from the beginning. Sure, the writers can choose to redeem her, but considering everything about the character, it would've been very unrealistic. Regardless of the few good deeds she had done, the bad overshadows it, and a few good deeds are not going to make a person change just like that.
@user-yw8ys4kq5x
@user-yw8ys4kq5x 4 месяца назад
no cloie was willing to change but thomos Astric based off the character of his ex
@user-yw8ys4kq5x
@user-yw8ys4kq5x 4 месяца назад
@@lulystalgianature2968 no thats not true just look at derision ep reviews and how their point of veiw
@delsnetwork
@delsnetwork Год назад
12:22 cat noir: i let mg emotions take control of me too Ladybug: *thinks about cat blanc* yeah its okay, but take this magical charm too just in case
@bryanmclendonjr9942
@bryanmclendonjr9942 Год назад
That would explain Marinette’s personality. Both good and bad parts. Chloe’s pranks on her in 8th grade made her the clumsy girl around Adrien that we know, but Socqueline is who made Ladybug. Protecting Marinette from Chloe and the hairstyle makes sense.
@candelacrush6500
@candelacrush6500 Год назад
The episode we didn't ask for bc we never knew we needed it. Everything makes sense now, even the fact that Marinette was not the one who gave Kim the monkey Miraculous, it was Fu! I cried a lot the first time I watched it, Adrien is just perfect, I wish someone like him existed irl, he makes her feel so... safe, and I also liked that Marinette was still not completely over his fears yet, it is a process. This is my favorite episode of the season when it comes to writing. (My favorite one in general is Emotion for this season up to now).
@TrueLucinova
@TrueLucinova Год назад
I find it kinda amusing that Marinette's failed akumatizations are "getting closer" each time In both Zombizou and Chameleon, the akuma was sent out because of her emotions, but she was able to calm down in each case; then there was Ladybug, where a scarlet akuma entered her bag and she was named as Princess Justice, but obviously Gabriel had to call it off; now in season 5, we see Elation, where she makes it through the entire Monarch speech, and even reaches for her earrings as the music swells. I think she was probably closer then than she was in this episode, but in both cases, Monarch did get to finish his introductions lol
@rickypedia999
@rickypedia999 Год назад
To be fair about Adrian being willing to cataclysm Kim, he did cataclysm Monarch earlier this season and knows that hes still kicking, so Adrian might be under the impression it just really, really hurts. Not, you know, causes some sort of crawling rot over the person's body
@fourcatsandagarden
@fourcatsandagarden Год назад
This is a good point, since monarch hasn't given them any signs that he's suffering.
@arthurwatson2555
@arthurwatson2555 Год назад
I feel like people are acting too much like Kim has become irredeemable or character was assassinated or suddenly changed, but the truth is, Kim actually started having some self assessment and willing to change in the end, especially when Ondine was able to call him out and set him straight, not to mention he was still remorseful for what Dark Humor did and Honestly Kim was still himself, but he's just that thoughtless idiot who had trouble seeing how his actions may have been harmful to others, and as mentioned above, he is *ACTUALLY SHOWING THAT HE IS WILLING TO CHANGE AS OPPOSED TO CHLOE WHO AIRS ON THE EXACT OPPOSITE*
@PDD555
@PDD555 Год назад
Yeah, if I'm being honest I think they chose Kim because he represents sillyness and sometimes not thinking enough things, not because he's evil
@phantom115cw
@phantom115cw Год назад
Chole: I don't need you, i have money
@devilsora100
@devilsora100 Год назад
You can guess it, but according to the Miraculous secret cards, Marinette wears her hair in pigtails to remind herself a friend who left school. Said friend being Socqueline, and you can see it carries on when Marinette becomes Ladybug (as opposed to Adrien's hair changing when he's Cat), because Socqueline is Marinette's vision of a person who acts for good, just like how Alya inspires her.
@mysteriouscartoonlover5674
@mysteriouscartoonlover5674 Год назад
It feels like they cranked Kim's and Chloe's bad qualities up to 11 in this episode like they weren't this bad, more so with Kim but even with Chloe like she puts roaches in her locker and tried to make her an outcast like what
@SpeedyOwl
@SpeedyOwl Год назад
The disgust in your voice when you said "girl... I would not.. touch him" lmao. This episode does feel really retconned but I do like all that it added, the writers behind it really did what they could with what they had. Marinette copying her pigtails from Soclean because she looked up to her was cute, seeing Rose used to have longer hair too was cool, I love that they took the time to try to age down some of the models. It's also cool how chat being feelings on his sleeve overdramatic lovesick jokester did not mix well with ladybug. And how marinette was surprised when he told her he was in love with ladybug for real. Chloe needs to lose everything before she can get her shit together imo. I hope Sabrina comes to the realisation that she deserves better and that following Chloe won't protect her. Anyway lol chat noir attempting to murder, I love how unhinged he gets to be. Its how he keeps his patience when his life is falling apart. He deserves his meltdowns. Deserves more meltdowns even. He is also due a panic attack I'm sure it'd make him feel better. Anyway I love buggachats comic where chat says he's being so hard on dark cupid because he pranked chat's gf with bugs instead of jewelry and ladybug going oh my god Kim how many girls did you do that to! 🤣🤣🤣
@mehdizade_2249
@mehdizade_2249 Год назад
Chloe will always be Queen Bee...(in our dreams)
@TitaneRam
@TitaneRam Год назад
I'll be honest When CatNoir ever got close to Cataclysming or actually Cataclysming someone ever even with Monarch I got super duper scared but in this episode I was actually like "You got my permission to Cataclysm this A-hole" Fr
@starpower1884
@starpower1884 Год назад
THIS EPISODE MADE KIM SO BAD LIKE I HATE IT, KIM WOULD NEVER THEY JUST SLANDERED HIM SO BAD AND I HATE IT😭 Season2-4 Kim would never, they just did this for a reason to explain why Marinette plans everything. Im glad he apologized and realized he was wrong but still, its gonna take him actually showing hes making an effort to change for me to believe him. Also he still said Chloe was hot infront of his gf and didn't apologize for that🙁
@mimiquoi7380
@mimiquoi7380 Год назад
I really like Chloe has an antagonist. She is a great character.
@aria5011
@aria5011 Год назад
She's starting to become a decent villain. I can't wait to see her work more with Lila, after Lila becomes the new Hawkmoth.
@MaltianStudiosOfficial
@MaltianStudiosOfficial Год назад
@@aria5011 You mean Monarch?
@aria5011
@aria5011 Год назад
@Director Wolf Monarch, Hawkmoth, same person. I wonder what Lila's going to go by once she gets the butterfly miraculous, and I'm guessing every other miraculous, besides the ladybug and cat miraculous.
@lulystalgianature2968
@lulystalgianature2968 Год назад
Chloe as a character is great... and quite realistic too. Many shows are redeeming bully characters lately, which is not a bad thing, but the sad reality is, not every bully is willing to change.
@bitchfromkalos
@bitchfromkalos Год назад
zamber just so you know eps 15-18 have their eng dub out bc of dual audio releases and other english speaking countries lol💙
@lamichevolediquartiere5954
@lamichevolediquartiere5954 Год назад
The problem not are Chloe or Kim, but the creator that change mind and ruined good charcher
@topgame2645
@topgame2645 Год назад
Cool
@JuniorGustabo
@JuniorGustabo 11 месяцев назад
Chloe deserves to be part of a better show.
@DumbassTrumpetDude
@DumbassTrumpetDude Год назад
Kim is still in love with Chloe even after the Valentine's episode...... The selective memory in this show is crazy.
@charismaentertainer1657
@charismaentertainer1657 Год назад
You seem to forget he was still into her in season 2 Shyren
@chasey2918
@chasey2918 Год назад
Are you having a trouble keeping up? He still loved her until this episode. Because the only character stupid enough to fall in love with chloe is him
@chasey2918
@chasey2918 Год назад
Rewatch S1-S4 to refresh your memory bank
@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll
​@@charismaentertainer1657Syren.
@DumbassTrumpetDude
@DumbassTrumpetDude Год назад
To be honest I haven't watched the show or rewatched it in a long time I just jumped back into season 5 watch half of season 4 and the rest of the seasons are blurry sorry I forgot all this it's just at this point the characters are so unlikeable and I don't know I just don't like this show anymore
@joshuaowobbuffet3360
@joshuaowobbuffet3360 Год назад
Just wait to Protection and Adoration
@hannakoster2601
@hannakoster2601 9 месяцев назад
the website i watch miraculous on in the descriptoin of the episode: when she randomly started to have PANIC ATTACKS... the site also is pretty official... SHE WAS HAVING PANIC ATTACKS
@MarcMagma
@MarcMagma Год назад
Chloé has been a straight-up 'bully to all living things' since Season 1, that's nothing new. However, usually, she's either the 'spoiled rich brat that abuses their privilege' kinda bully or practicing verbal abuse (which, don't get me wrong, is still a horrible kind of abuse that has caused actual suicides in real life). This episode however showed that she, arguably, used to be even worse really scraping at that border to psychological torture. To me personally, this hit a lot closer to home than I was comfortable with...
@kupaakaleo137
@kupaakaleo137 Год назад
12:49 I agree, Ondine supremacy!
@nehemiahwallace9900
@nehemiahwallace9900 Год назад
It’s probably just me, but I got excited when Cat Noir was about to hit Dark Humor with a cataclysm. I mean yes, he let his emotions take control. It was a mix of hype and concern.
@MarcMagma
@MarcMagma Год назад
I love the cute noises you made when Mari took Adrien's hand. Talk about '#relatable'...
@mintyaquagreen1675
@mintyaquagreen1675 Год назад
The minute Chloe picked on my girl Juleka Coufaine I immediately saw red.
@patrickkh1245
@patrickkh1245 Год назад
This is fifth time Gabriel has tried to akumatize marinette😂
@brodypl5804
@brodypl5804 Год назад
MY COMMENTS KEEP DISSAPEARING HELP Edit: (Time to try) The ultimate retcon of all time just so Thomas can scream that Chloe isn't getting redemption. Why tf did Marinette allow Kim to be King Monkey in season 4? Why did she have a good relationship with him in season 1? It doesn't make sense.
@ilovelgbtqkidshows
@ilovelgbtqkidshows Год назад
ANOTHER MLB REACTION VIDEO ZAMBER OMG YESS ❤!! (ALSO LET'S APPRECIATE THE FACT OF PROTECTIVE BF ADRIEN)
@Bishook
@Bishook Год назад
Kim’s girlfriend’s name is Ondine
@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll
I keep wanting to pronounce it as Undyne. I'm an Undertale fan.
@ladypool1404
@ladypool1404 Год назад
Kim is a jerk for no good reason in this episode. He wasn't a bully except in season 1 and 2, in 3 and 4 he was a nice guy and friends with the others. Now he's laughing at Marinette because Chloe told him to? Since when he listen to her? His attitude makes no sense! I wished his girlfriend got the akuma out and saved him, not Ladybug. Also, if Kim appologises; i'm sure he wasn't sincere. He probably just did it so Mari can feel better not because he realised his mistake and horrible attitude 🙁
@elisamangili4949
@elisamangili4949 Год назад
Well, the flashback takes place before season 1 so I guess that makes sense
@tomasstargamer6308
@tomasstargamer6308 Год назад
We gotta love how they suddenly retconned Chloe to be worse than Satan ever since the beginning, when Origins shows Mari being annoyed at Chloe back then, not scared, and how often did she get down to this before the current seasons? Thomas hates a character having a potentially good arc.
@tyerushing2652
@tyerushing2652 Год назад
A morbid thought I had watching this episode is what if Marinette drowned because of Kim's and Chloe's prank, wouldn't she had changed then?
@lulystalgianature2968
@lulystalgianature2968 Год назад
Chloe doesn't care about anyone. She's willing give the world to Monarch if necessary to get anything she wants. If Marinette dies, she would simply choose another target to torment.
@sparklegirlz2893
@sparklegirlz2893 Год назад
That shirt is fitting 💅💅🤩
@oniksink7920
@oniksink7920 Год назад
Hello! I am a person from Spain who watches your videos and although I do not understand them I really understand them and they are entertaining❤💛❤
@Raemae1121
@Raemae1121 Год назад
2:42 W Undine, we’ve only seen her like twice but she’s amazing
@bc123vv5
@bc123vv5 Год назад
She developed a mental block because of Chloe and kim... Marinette is super strong and she's doing her best to express herself I'm sure she can find a way to ease the trauma, I hope Chloe gets hit with a big case of reality
@fatherplatypus2316
@fatherplatypus2316 Год назад
Im still angry that they make Kim a jerk for no reason. I get he's a jerk in the past, but he had been humiliated by Chloe and even happy when she left in Malediktator. It'd be much better if he got akumatized bcs he's angry at Chloe instead of still praising her IN FRONT OF his gf But of course, they need to make more Angry Noir
@alexandruulesan7009
@alexandruulesan7009 Год назад
Couple thoughts: The Adrianette stuff is far more solid and sweet than it has any right to be With all the senseless hate in this fandom, it's nice to finally get an appropriate outlet in Kim It feels like this big flashback could have come earlier in the series. It justifies some of Marinette's behavior as a trauma response, but it also further invalidates Chloe's attempted S2-3 arc. As it is now, especially with the latest episodes, if Chloe doesn't end up in prison or Arkham Asylum, there'll be problems This episode got me so confused that I actually researched the French school system Adrien was a total boss from beginning to end, his quite rage at Kim, him exploding with anger as Chat Noir, his understanding of Marinette's struggle and finally cutting ties with Chloe
@pink99644
@pink99644 Год назад
This episode have become one of my favourites 😊
@etsap1236
@etsap1236 7 месяцев назад
I think the reason a lot of this seemed to come out of ko where is because they really wanted us to hate Chloe, and because they wanted to explain why Marinette was so cautious and nervous in confessing or being around Adrian.
@matthewstanley1521
@matthewstanley1521 Год назад
I'm still mad at Kim, but I don't think he meant to be cruel. I don't know if he's autistic or not, but he's definitely low-empathy, and he definitely doesn't understand social cues. Not excusing what he did, just trying to understand him.
@omarvazquez4075
@omarvazquez4075 Год назад
That's not autism but it may be some other thing
@zash1233
@zash1233 Год назад
My hate for Chloe just multiplied by a thousand.
@specturv9836
@specturv9836 Год назад
This episode accomplishes nothing but make us hate Kim. Like why, why do they do this. what did we accomplish here besides making us hate a character for no f-ing reason.
@brodypl5804
@brodypl5804 Год назад
So it's character assasination
@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll
​@@brodypl5804The worst thing episodes can have.
@brodypl5804
@brodypl5804 Год назад
​@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll Yup
@pixelgamersgaming5649
@pixelgamersgaming5649 Год назад
I am SO GLAD we are caught up, I can't wait for more from you and my favorite series
@KeeKage37
@KeeKage37 Год назад
This series has a bit of a habit of taking characters that the creators don’t want you to like, and ratcheting it to 11. First it was Chloe with her dropped redemption, that there now leaning hard into. And now Kim. I mean Kim was always kinda a doofus before. Bug this episode makes him seem so stupid you wonder how he functions. Going that far with you’re “prank,” to the point you traumatize someone. And still insist you did nothing wrong. And still pinning for Chloe in front of your new girlfriend?! Isn’t Chloe the same girl that rejected you’re valentine’s gift, broke you’re heart, and posted it for everyone to see? Or are we forgetting that that even happened? 16:59 Ah yes Zoe, basically the replacement Chloe.
@Hotgirlenergy
@Hotgirlenergy 9 месяцев назад
At the end, Sabrina wasn’t glaring at Adrien. She was glaring at Chloe, because Chloe basically called her a doormat one of the subtle clues to her redemption arc.
@Bezaliel13
@Bezaliel13 Год назад
If Undyne is sticking to Kim, at least she might keep him in line. Not that that should be expected in a romantic relationship. Also, I know fans are probably sick of "Chloe is irredeemable," but this did give a contrast with Kim being a dope.
@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll
Ondine. But I can't blame you for calling her Undyne since it sounds like that. Also Undertale is awesome! ^^
@Bezaliel13
@Bezaliel13 Год назад
@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaBunnydoll Honestly, I tried typing "Miraculous und-" to check.
@colt.dy12
@colt.dy12 Год назад
Marinette's personal type is someone who's funny and cute (like Kim and Chat Noir), but after that stupid prank, Marinette completely stayed away from people like them and easily fell for someone opposite to that type of person (Adrien). Notice how Marinette met Chat Noir first but still fell for Adrien (despite Chat being funny and cute). That's because she still has the PTSD from Kim and Chloe. And in the season 2 episode Glaciator, she was shocked to find out that Chat really does like her (the fandom was so mad at this, but now that we know, it makes sense). And when she finally fell for Chat, it seemed out of place and felt rushed (it probably was) but in this context, Marinette's initial type of guy is someone like Chat Noir. Marinette does not really love Adrien that much. She was more obsessed than inlove, but she still has feelings for him. In season 4, we saw that Adrien was starting to loosen up (making jokes like in Guiltrip). He was showing more of his silly side, and made Marinette love him more.
@utilizadorgoogle9844
@utilizadorgoogle9844 Год назад
I disagree with you about her feelings for Adrien when you said "she doesn't really love Adrien that much". I agree with you that as he was showing more sides of him, through time, she fell deeper BUT her original feelings were as genuine as it'd be with other crushes. She fell for Adrien due to his genuineness and kindness. He opened up with her about his lack of friends and social skills and tried to befriend her after she misjudged him. This seriousness about his feelings was what Chat Noir lacked and that's why until Glaciator, Marinette never though he was genuine about his feelings. She compared his "confessions" with Kim's. Of course, we already knew that in that diary series, she said that if it wasn't for Adrien, she would probably fell for Chat. That points to the fact that she had feelings for him but since she loved Adrien and a relationship between superheroes didn't make sense, she ran away from those feelings and basically tried to denied them to herself. After Strike Back, Chat Noir started showing more of his seriousness and since Marinette was trying to pretend she didn't have feelings for Adrien, it was easy for her feelings towards Chat Noir to surface. Also, even though she doesn't know a lot about him, the weeks following Strike Back made their partnership and trust in each other go stronger and probably the vision from Jubilation also helped her realise how she felt. So, yeah It was a not a crush that appeared out of nowhere. But back to the point, the characteristics that made her fell in love with Adrien in the first place (and that she saw in Chat Noir after) are as much valid as her initial type as you said before... so I don't believe that her love for Adrien was just an obsession at all... I get your point that he showed the genuineness that Kim didn't show, but that doesn't invalidate her attraction to those characteristics. It wasn't just "it's better to go oposite", she really liked it and fell in love with him.
@ultimatedisneycruiselinefa5112
I feel bad for Marinette. When she had those panic attacks I got scared for her.
@deismuarti
@deismuarti 10 месяцев назад
You would be suprised to know how cruel children can be. People who i thought were my friends in summer camp peed into a cup and spilled it on my bed also stole my id and hid it so my mom got really mad. Its been like 6 years and i still find it hard to trust people.
@MrBernkastel2
@MrBernkastel2 Год назад
If Cat Noir knew her secret identity, he would have been more angry because it's Kim fault , Ladybug doesn't take Cat Noir seriously until recently because he 's a jokester like Kim .
@sarakennedy3467
@sarakennedy3467 10 месяцев назад
Your hair looks amazing, I hope Kim will later on do something to make up for this traumatic prank, but I doubt they will because he's a side character usually
@hiimsky4381
@hiimsky4381 11 месяцев назад
Kim probably had feelings for Chloe cause he probably sees her as a prank queen after this episode with Marinette since he’s clearly clueless.
@thatrandomgirl4574
@thatrandomgirl4574 Год назад
Yesss ur caught up with us!!!
@naylisyazwina6836
@naylisyazwina6836 11 месяцев назад
Man this episode made me cry my eyes out. Season 5 is literally the best season. Idk how people think it's the worst season
@SecretStarr101Reacts
@SecretStarr101Reacts Год назад
I actually just did my own reaction to this episode recently and I've been dying to see Zamber's reaction. This episode has genuinely made me hate Chloe and Kim and made me feel so bad for Marinette and Soqueline. Neither of them deserved what happened to them. Also, I believe that Chat Noir constantly coming close to cataclysming someone is hinting towards him becoming Chat Blanc in the future.
@Six.thirxty
@Six.thirxty Год назад
i hate the complete wipe of Chole's redemption... literally no reason for a red penguin if you're not gonna do anything with it. i don't know why the writers chose to completely kill off "good chloe". i believe zoe is just a cheap fast way to get a new bee miraculous holder (because as we know Thomas hates chloe) if zoe was really integral to the story, i'm sure we would've heard about her before.
@3ndr4w
@3ndr4w Год назад
YO FIRST AND I LOVE UR VIDS SM
@luznoceda2468
@luznoceda2468 Год назад
Nice🫶
@stupidcoyote5453
@stupidcoyote5453 Год назад
Honestly I lowkey hate how they threw away chloe's depth and everything she could be just because Thomas stopped liking her, and now they are treating this 14-15 year old as the evil of the world and a creature of doom, and she isn't even a big villain???? She had much more potential
@francisfatta
@francisfatta 10 месяцев назад
A little detail I actually noticed that maybe not even the creators thought about: When Kim first got the monkey miraculous, it wasn’t Marinette who gave it to him, but master Fu. Actually, Kim is probably the only one in the current superhero lineup that Marinette didn’t first approach. And now with this revealed, it makes me wonder if she actually would’ve ever given him the miraculous
@slaydeee
@slaydeee Год назад
DO A VIDEO RANKING ALL MIRACULOUS CHARACTERS!!!!!
@IAmZamber
@IAmZamber Год назад
;3
@tsurbwobniar20
@tsurbwobniar20 Год назад
So this episode explains Marinette's reason for her stalking tendencies it was just a misguided attempt to make sure she has a good boyfriend who can do her no wrong and all because of that brat Chloe who manipulated Kim into pulling a prank on Marinette. It may not be an excuse but it does properly explain so it's understandable and shows that it's not Marinette's fault that she was like that. Still, ya should've seen characters like Eddy (Ed, Edd n Eddy), Christopher Aonuma (Digimon Fusion), Miku Izayoi (Date A Live), and Rinne Berlinetta (ViVid Strike!) they were a lot worse than Marinette (who's at least small-time) and those four were complete jerks unlike her, but it was only because of a tragic past they've experienced just like Marinette, albeit way more tragic including that last one Rinne who like Marinette was also bullied, but by 3 girls who were probably worse then Chloe. But fortunately, they've learned the error of their ways, got better after that, and made peace with their past. If they can do that then it's obvious that Marinette can as well. And just to be clear I checked Miraculous ladybug Wiki and it said that even though Marinette was first seen at the pool before in "Mr. Pigeon 72", back then, she showed no signs of trauma, most likely because she was trying to get Adrien and Kagami together and her feelings for him weren't on the same level. Also, I think it's safe to say that Chloe Bourgeois is a lost cause and that she'll never change from bad to good? Because that's obviously the case especially since she is absolutely nothing like Elisabeth "Sissi" Delmas (Code Lyoko), Cassandra (Sabrina's Secret Life), Miku Izayoi (Date A Live), Bell Renjoji (Pretty Rhythm Rainbow Live), Wakana Morizono (Pretty Rhythm Rainbow Live), and Lanzhu Zhong (Love Live! Franchise) who were all able to redeem themselves, unlike that insolent brat. Still, it would've been nice if Chloe did officially reform and changed for the better, but the sad truth is some people never change no matter how much you try, and sometimes you only see the good in people because that's what you want. Plus there are other fictional characters who are just as irredeemable as Chloé like Ryōko Mendō (Urusei Yatsura), Princess Morbucks (The Powerpuff Girls), Gemini "Gem" Stone (Sabrina: The Animated Series), Mandy (Totally Spies!), Jack Spicer (Xiaolin Showdown), Charmcaster (Ben 10 series), Sierra McCool (The Replacements), Princess Allie (Pokémon the Series: XY), Ma’alefa’ak/M'comm M'orzz (Young Justice TV Series), Big Jack Horner (Puss in Boots: The Last Wish); etc and most of them are spoiled brat and/or alpha females like Chloe. Plus there were characters who use to think that some of these insolent jerks were good at heart and could change if anyone reached out to them, but realized that they were horribly wrong.
@cuentayt893
@cuentayt893 Год назад
13:10 THIS WAS SO ME WHEN I SAW THE EPISODE HELPPP
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