I HATE THESE MODELS!!! 

I've always thought it would make more sense for the scout tier marines to also be the drivers/pilots. Most of the reaction time/reflexes, since that's the most common reason I've seen stated for marine pilots, without having to sacrifice a full power armored battle brother.

It’s explained in a few books as to why they are used to pilot vehicles, it’s largely because of reaction time and durability. They can survive otherwise mortal wounds, thus potential saving the crew. I also doubt space marines would be willing to trust their lives to a human in combat over their bother astartes.

1:25 Terminal velocity isn't a constant; it has to take into account an objects mass, surface area, drag coefficient, the density of the medium through which it passes and the strength of the gravitational field. 120mph is about right for a skydiver, not for several tons of metal.

It's why I like the Storm being piloted by scouts, in my headcannon it flies in killteams, supplies, and medevacs muhreens. It feels like a "support" vehicle.

The og landspeeder is actually what got me into collecting space marines! I love the tactical shoe and have three of them for my wolves

I have an original land speeder! Lead parts, mmm delicious. It looks SO ridiculous now, two tiny Beakies sitting right out front with no hull whatsoever! It came in a three-set with the squat mole mortar and imperial guard tarantula (w/ two tasty las-cannons!) Wish I had my copy of Rogue Trader still. Yup I'm old. Greetings from southwestern Ontario!

I mean, i'll just say that my storm speeders are crewed by semi-failed aspirants, only somewhat deformed chapter thralls who, while technically failing the whole becoming a marine step, still received a good few of the augmentations and thus, enhanced reaction times. Also one of them could be deformed enough to just not have the best hearing, and he's the guy in the turret.

6:30 am i even a real warhammer fan for not instantly thinking "hold on those are assault cannons not storm bolters" and just nodding along?

I actually like the boxy look of imperial flyers. I imagine their creed to be: 'If you're worried about aerodynamics your thrusters aren't strong enough.'

220 models... You know, that isn't even a chapter... ;) I do love your Templars :)

THAT INTRO GOT ME WHEEZING

I love landspeeders they're better designed than most of the bikes, the outriders and the ATV, are atrocious with zero ground clearance.

I love landspeeders, especially their clunky 80's retro futuristic design that just looks like a box falling apart. It shows how far the imperium's technology has fallen

mr man is a wholesome guy, such a delight to listen to when slogging through uni work

I always thought a landspeeder fills the role of a low flying attack helicopter. They're fast, lightly armored and can hit tanks from above. As to why astartes fly them...maybe to fly as fast and low as possible? Good reflexes help not getting hit by flak. It also doesn't hurt that they probably have a higher G-force ceiling. (Tolerate G's ? Idk how to write that...)

I really like these thoughts on models with some lore to back them up, and then sometimes reworking the models. That space marine sticking out the top is Captain Tinnitus

i actually love the third edition boxed set speeder, one of my favourite space marine units, along with the plastic bikers. each to their own though, i definitely hate the one with the digglet gunner

In my old Space wolves army, as their lore was that they were lost in a far away planet out of supplies, their land speeder was modified to work on wheels (grav engines, as you said, are difficult to mantain). It was a super easy conversion and worked pretty well!

Oh man that old intro music! That's a good nostalgia hit of dopamine right there... I found this channel back in 2014 or 2015, when I was getting back into mini painting after a looooong hiatus, and I still occasionally look up those old videos when I need basing help.

This is why I love watching your videos Jay, you don't just say "This is bad", you identify what you don't like about the mini etc. and offer a nice alternative solution to make improvements.

I like how you omitted the Tempest version and the space marine scout version :). Cool video and loving the bases.

What I like most about these videos. You don't just rant about pros and cons. You show what you'd do! Love it!

I think most (almost all) vehicles look ridiculous in 40K. It's one of the reasons I never got into playing or collecting complete armies, just grabbing the odd mini for painting an collecting. I think what could make the speeders look a little better would be to replace at least one Space Marine with a 28mm vehicle driver model from something like Bolt Action. They could be the pilot and then the Space Marine adds the firepower. It'd have the added advantage of selling the Space Marine as a 10 foot tall super soldier.

Ignoring the terminal velocity bit, stellar video with fantastic editing. This piece is great!

In almost 25 years of playing I have NEVER met anyone who dislikes the Land Speeder. In light of this, I must believe your opinion a slanderous one and therefore I'm driven to extremes. A curse upon your livestock, sir. A curse upon you, a curse upon your cow and a curse upon your goat. I am aghast.

The 2nd edition land speeder was the best version, and I like the way that the StormSpeeder has a lot of call backs in its design

Makes sense for space marines to drive land speeders. But I dont think they drive the tanks and most vehicles. They have a lot of supporting humans and techpriests. They are probably doing the driving.

I would honestly love if there were some chapter serf minis included in the ten men boxes, or if there were basically two options for each ten men box, one with serfs and one without. Just some servitors and/or normal humans working alongside the Space Marines, carrying weapons or ammunition crates, cleaning swords, maybe holding a Lieutenant's helmet or some religious imagery, like the serfs in the Grimaldus and Retinue box. It would bring some neat variety into the Space Marines armies.

Jay you should put up one of those magnetic dry-erase white boards on one of your hobby room walls. I put all my magnetized weapon options on it instead of buried in my bits boxes. It looks super impressive and you can even write some shit like "THE ARMORY" on the top on dry-erase.

The land speeder storm is great. I had a lot of fun dropping off scouts to melta bomb things. Space marine vehicles should really just be piloted by scouts and the serfs that fail to make the grade.

I also have a love/hate with my speeders. I attempted to kitbash a homemade Tempest years ago, didn’t work out, so he’s a piece of crashed terrain now. I don’t like painting the old style flyer stands so I leave them clear. The newer ones just get the base replaced and I use brass rod to build a scenic base. Great work as always, keep it up!

Holy crap, I never imagined how useful tinfoil could be. This is the painting level-up that I've NEEDED for my conversion and kitbash work, thank you!

You skipped how you made the wax seal on the purity seals! Those models look sick as hell though. Love the skeleton of the heretics added on, those look awesome.

I think the basic 3rd edition land speeder is one of my favorite models. An armored hover car tearing through the battlefield at high speeds with awesome weaponry. Imagine the face on the pilot of an Eldar viper as one of these appears along side as the multi melta levels. They were fun to use in game and when deep striking 4 in with 2 multi meltas on each. At least back in 7th.

@13:37 "what do you guys think maby i´ll just leave em like that" ..... in my mind: .....O DEAR GOD ITS THE DREADED FLYING "Assault Bake-Potatoes" O_o

Your nerdyness makes me laugh, i love it

Arkhan Land has to be one of the dumbest pieces of 40k lore that they've not decided to retcon.

add bulletproof glass + armor/doors to the speeders, making them less ridiculous

I think your lore reason kinda makes sense. like in titans you don't have spacemarines of soldiers from the astra, you got princeps. At the same time a landspeeder is, probably, more complex than a rhino, so it kinda makes sense that you need more training to pilot it efficiently.

Dude literally blew my mind when you showed that old video! You popped up in my recommendations and I didn’t realize that was your channel also lol

Respect to you for having subtitles :) It really helps

Ooh I love the caution stripes you added! Loyalists deserve a safe work environment too!

I will say, I also think the landspeeder looks derpy. That being said, even in Soul Hunter, Septimus, the human pilot, is often described as slow and unable to pilot the thunderhawk as well as a space marine. It's the same argument for every Astartes unit, while you could have humans for any of the roles (pilot, tech marines, apothecaries, etc), they wouldn't be quite as capable.

I think if you think of pretty much every like action hero movie, when there is a chopper or plane, very often the generic pilot guy just dies or panics or just generally sucks so I think it kind of makes sense. You have a very tough pilot, who has super senses, is battle hardened to not panic or miss shots under fire, who then if the vehicle is downed is a useful soldier.

Appreciate the obscure Shrek reference.

They turned out great! Loved the video

In early editions they weren’t considered “open top” because of the space marine peer armor.

Your addition of the larger cannon invokes to me the cannon on the A-10. It's imposing and the sound of it invokes fear in the enemy and cheers from allies.

Great transitions between the scenes. Superb editing here fellas

really enjoyed the editing on this one man

Very cool video. Thanks for that!

Well, the Land speeder dpes make some sense lore-wise at least While fighting on the ground, it is sometimes necessary to have heavy weapons at a shortest time possible from a flank or rear position to where your main offence/defence takes place, for example behind an enemy tank assault, tearing it apart from behind and getting away just as fast. The pilot has to be a space marine for a number of reasons. One-they can be easily replaced in combat in case the pilot is wounded (as space marines cannot have their own offensive human troops, only navy and PDF). Two-you can sacrifice pilot protection for a degree of structural integrity of the vehicle itself without increasing the vehicle's mass, as the power armor gives a decent protection from small arms and light artillery. Third-reaction and targeting. Space marines have targeting matrixes integrated into their helmets, which makes them able to both pilot at great speeds without much risk and target incredibly quickly. All in all-its a useful design, that grants them an incredibly mobile weapons platform and fire support Also-love the design, fits the overall aesthetic)

Dang man you gave some awesome tips! Never once did I think of using tin foil to paint over! Genius thank you!

Great video but how did you make the wax part of the purity seal?

Storm bolters XD Great job on those man! I want to see You overdo a Repulsor :D

I think land speeders make sense if you think of them in terms of vehicles used by special forces today. High speed, lightly armored vehicles that can still carry an impressive array of weapon systems. The design of the land speeder makes sense, as you said space marines are already heavily armored, so the vehicle doesn't need to be. Two Marines could quickly reach a forward observation point to scout for enemy troop movements or intercept enemy recon teams. In these examples the Land Speeder is absolutely the tool for the job for the mobility it offers the Space Marines the ability to have a large battlespace presence while being a numerically inferior force.

I think the armour makes sense. The vehicle isn't offering much protection, and the armour would be great crash protection as well.

just for fun, the primaris land speeder became a meme in italy, beacouse the marines seems a quite famous comedian trio called aldo giovanni and giacomo when they did a theatre show and in this show there was the subau baracca sketch. and it was perfect.

These turned out great! I personally really like the look of land speeders, and am totally OK with the pilots being marines in full armour, because they feel like the marines could jump out and join the battle on-foot at any time. They're less like a vehicle crew, and it's more like a light transport that happens to have guns on it. Like a really fast combat scooter. The third gunner dude on the new ones looks RIDICULOUS though, and is the thing that's stopped me picking one up. If I ever get one I'd like to kitbash it so there's a sensor array or something else there.

10K Deathwatch army with 250+ models. Well done mate 👍

I love the land speeder, it just looks so goofy.

I started reading Horus Heresy books recently and it is stated that a lot of vehicules like Stormbirds and Thunderhawks were piloted by servitors. On the other hand as far as I know the marines piloting aircraft or driving tanks do not count to the Codex 10x100 marines requiement so maybe this is a way to bypass the restriction.

To be fair, we have fully armored soldiers driving vehicles in real life. It’s extra protection of a vital role and means you can leap into action of the vehicle gets toasted. Source: years of service in Army infantry Also I did the same thing with the Tau when everyone said they didn’t fit 40K. I made them grimdark to prove the haters wrong with a Bioshock paint scheme. 🤘

I think those models are cool. It has that 90s action figure vibe. Like you know that in the basic kit you just get the space marine action figure but you have to buy his land speeder separately. :Dd Plus of course lorewise it would make sense for them to wear their armour while driving that as the thing has barely any hull coverage, also remember that Tony Stark does not have to drive a land speeder because his suit can fly.

Love the old model, clunky but effective... On a strategy point of view, having a way to carry heavy weaponry across physical obstacles is a must. offering heavy supresing fire to cover your asault marines werever they go is almost essential.... Most moder army use fast travel light armored vehicle, they tend to yeild lots of firepower to cover infantry an disable small fortifications. a good example is the german wiesel... In the wole lore of 40k , in witch many thing have gone wrong in the last decade, land speeders are one of the most tacticaly and lorewise realist concept. The model is so iconic of old space marine logic : ugly but fonctionnal. Even the armor is logic, lorewise, if you shot one down, you could got up to 4 angry overpowered warriors to deal with , it might even be behind your line...

I've always wanted to see chapter serfs on the battlefield taking care of stuff like driving vehicles that aren't bikes or something. I've also always wanted to see wavy clear plastic mounts for these, to look like distorted air underneath it.

Miles constantly hating on the storm speeder is a mood.

I’m sure it’s been asked, but what was used for the stamp of the purity seals? The speeders looks amazing, I love the pine bark trick. I have to use it for my currently “floating” air units hahaha

2:21😂 why they look like going on vacation? Hej Brother, how was your morning? Thanks good, finally we have day off.

They're Landspeeder certified, you can't blame them for flexing it.

What did you use to make the wax part of the Purity Seals? It looks identical to the ones in the box.

In one of the Gaunts Ghosts books there's a Caestus Assault Ram that is piloted by a servitor, and some of the Ultramarine books have naval ships and Thunderhawks piloted by Surfs, who are aspirants that were incompatible with the all of the geneseed organs, and if they survived their body rejecting them stay inside the Chapter and serve the Ultramarines in menial duties, including piloting vessels.

The ziplock drug baggies are awesome for bitz. Have a baggie for each unique part. Then further organized into ziplock sandwich/medium storage bags for arms, weapons, heads, etc... and then further again in either 2L or 6L bins (got mine at Canadian Superstore) by faction+infantry and faction+vehicles. As much fun as it is to dig for that perfect bit, meticulous organization is extremely satisfying and so much more time efficient.

thank goodness you corrected that "storm bolter" call boy was my eye twitching 😂

You forgot the biggest crime of all Land Speeder models, the flying castle, Land Speeder Vengeance! **wilhelm scream**

5:20 ended up pausing the video here and checking something - those're the same kind of boxes my mom uses for storing buttons she uses in crafts projects, that's a funny lil coincidence to me.

Honestly I think as a scout and fast attack vehicle, the Proteus is the closest they've gotten to having the design look unique and appropriate for the role. I think they should go back in that direction but solve the whole chilling on the couch look somehow so it looks less silly. Maybe make it like an extra big jump pack with mounted guns or something, where the marines are mounted onto the front rather than sitting. Massive amounts of armor on a recon vehicle isn't all that necessary when power armor is insanely durable anyways.

Landspeeder Tropical Depression? Great video!

You forgot everyone's favorite, the scout minivan! You can now fit your entire family in a land speeder! When I came back to this game and saw that it had me wondering if it had removeable or stowable seats.

I made all my black templar speeders with Neophyte gunners and just Initiate pilots, fits with the mentor and student feel.

The reason why a Space Marine flies the land speeder is simple. It's an open cockpit. These things are deployed from very high up in the planets atmosphere at times. Standard humans would need specialized gear to even survive the decent. Then take into account that they are flying into an active battlefield, where an unarmored or lightly armored human would be easily killed by a stray shot, crashing a vehicle that is hard to maintain and possibly killing the gunner who is also a Space Marine.

That was some really cool advice about details you don't like after the painting is finished. They look a lot better and not like the Land Speeder in the Ultramarines movie, (just sitting there).

that opening was not expecting the "except these guys" each model of mine is like precious son or daughter. even the ones i adopt. i couldn't imagine hating any of them.

How did you make the wax part of the purity seals?

"new this month we have bound demon complete with ball gag" never thought id hear that from a mini painter channel as i almost choke on my food

IDK about anybody else but if I was zipping around in a fragile open top combat vehicle in the 41st millennium, I'd be a lot happier if I was doing in some power armour. I'm biased though, the land speeder storm is on of my favourite vehicles from both from the look of the model but also how I'd imagine the scouts inserting around a battlefield on it. Best part of the hobby, there's an aesthetic for everyone

seen a few quite good looking stretched versions of the land speeder model the first i saw was in a white dwarf where they went for a Vietnam era Huey feel

Nice refresh. The flowing purity seals really sell the effect of movement.

Really cool results!

Of all the land speeders you showed that version is the best.

"Arkham Land." Mark Hamil double dip name as the most famous land speeder pilot and Arkham Asylum's most infamous resident.

Personally, I would *remake them in a dreadnough pattern:* 1 marine drives them, and it's a fatally woulded one, kept alivebby the machine. It would explain their existance and slow speed, that is more akin to hovering over the battlefield with a personal jetpack. The 3d model overhauling would allow room for fixing (or more easily ignore) the 3rd issue, that you didn't mention: the gun is off the axis, thus recoil affects flying.

What did you use for the purity seal wax?

15:40 Now, right there is a teeny little legal-loophole that might allow important Imperial Guard characters such as Commissars to ride Land Speeders.

The land speeder typhoon is my favorite, something about the massive missile pods strapped to a little hover car is hilarious

The white hat, is if you'll forgive me, putting a hat on top of a hat. You got a dope look my man, rock whatever color you want.

I am once more here to shill the Storm Speeder. It's my favorite little box and one of the only reasons I want a Primaris army.

The idea of the open topped land speeders, especially the first two examples, was that they were cut down for weight. They couldn't put much armor on it because they wanted it to go fast, and they didn't need much light armor because space marine armor is as good as anything they can add. To me I always wanted something more like a deth kopta. Just strap a marine into a little helicopter with a couple guns attached to the sides. Add some aerodynamics and make it actually look like a buggy, with enough frame to hold it together. My biggest complaint about the original two is they look like rockets strapped to the back of the marines couch. The lack of armor and bulk in the vehicle doesn't bother me. It's the second marine and the lack of structure. Cool video overall

I think someone just didn't know what Terminal Velocity is when they said it, like GL with his parsec.

The real problem for me, that I took care with some 3D printed pieces... Is just the open cockpit (and the third marines on the storm speeder yes, but I took care of it too).