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"I Just Finished Ice and Fire in 2024" Discussion w/ Bookborn 

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I sit down with Bookborn and talk with her about just finishing A Song of Ice and Fire in 2024.
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@Bookborn
@Bookborn Месяц назад
Thanks for having me and sharing all the deep lore with a newbie 🙏
@anamakesthings
@anamakesthings Месяц назад
you have NO IDEA how many people in the fandom are severly nerding out over this crossover
@sfcSpidey
@sfcSpidey Месяц назад
Good discussion glad you gave asoiaf a chance it’s hard to consume other fiction afterwards because grrm sets such a high standard for story telling but in the end it’s worth it even with just 5/7 of a story
@NoSageMeadow
@NoSageMeadow Месяц назад
Watched all your videos about ASOIAF as they came out, and they were so cool.
@Niall001
@Niall001 Месяц назад
I did not expect this crossover. And I am pleased!
@DCharles
@DCharles Месяц назад
This was THE collab I was hoping for after your AFFCs review.
@thegrimmarcher202
@thegrimmarcher202 Месяц назад
This is the real life equivalent of bran meeting bloodraven
@royallegacy8441
@royallegacy8441 Месяц назад
Lmao thats great
@CheeseCrumbs00
@CheeseCrumbs00 Месяц назад
brilliant
@BenJover
@BenJover Месяц назад
True true
@Bookborn
@Bookborn Месяц назад
LMAO
@undbiter65
@undbiter65 Месяц назад
😂😂
@eversor10
@eversor10 Месяц назад
Poor lady finished the series then she had a 1 on 1 with the mad man himself
@76seahawk
@76seahawk Месяц назад
It’s not and never will be finished…
@AriSchochet
@AriSchochet Месяц назад
Unbelievable
@AriSchochet
@AriSchochet Месяц назад
Speechless
@AriSchochet
@AriSchochet Месяц назад
Unfair fight…she really taking it so well. I’m so impressed by her humbleness.
@YamatoTre
@YamatoTre Месяц назад
@@76seahawk Oddly enough, it isn't, but if he never finishes, it will be that much easier for people to finish reading by virtue of less words.
@dotuananhdta
@dotuananhdta Месяц назад
Bookborn is slowly descending to our collective madness.
@Bookborn
@Bookborn Месяц назад
slowly? I'm RACING towards the madness finish line
@MC-el2us
@MC-el2us Месяц назад
Right? You can SEE it real time 😂
@irishpotatothief531
@irishpotatothief531 Месяц назад
@@Bookborn Finish line? There is no finish line. This is our Sisyphus's Hill. Welcome to the struggle my friend.
@YamatoTre
@YamatoTre Месяц назад
@@Bookborn I was about to say the same thing, it's the fastest "fall" I've seen yet! Glad to have you along
@thecockerel86
@thecockerel86 Месяц назад
​@@BookbornPersonally, my favourite Preston series is his breakdown of Brienne's arc. I just love it.
@bearcat742
@bearcat742 Месяц назад
"The fans argue about this" = Preston came up with a crazy theory and the fans argue with him about it.
@Temperancefp
@Temperancefp Месяц назад
That’s exactly what I thought, like the fans he meant him 😂! Gotta say half of his theories are not crazy…. Or has he converted me into crazy too? 😂😂😂
@mschell8022
@mschell8022 Месяц назад
Lmaoooo
@turbobus4983
@turbobus4983 Месяц назад
​@@Temperancefp He's probably wrong about half of this...
@KingEdwardMMVIII
@KingEdwardMMVIII Месяц назад
​@@turbobus4983That's the fun part! When TWOW comes out so many theories are going to be blown up, and new ones created!
@taylorgayhart9497
@taylorgayhart9497 19 дней назад
100% 😂😂😂😂
@Sniffchicken5
@Sniffchicken5 Месяц назад
“How do you feel about Quentyn?” “Quentyn is dead” 😂😂
@vincentmontgomery839
@vincentmontgomery839 Месяц назад
I mean he is. Lol
@marcneef795
@marcneef795 Месяц назад
Nooo!
@deuceyd8468
@deuceyd8468 Месяц назад
Preston truly believes Quentyn is alive, I think he's dead going forward but I do think george left the door open.
@Ardenator1
@Ardenator1 Месяц назад
She right tho
@marcneef795
@marcneef795 Месяц назад
Quentin is alive!
@kaemonbonet4931
@kaemonbonet4931 Месяц назад
Hearing from bookborn was really refreshing, preston and the community can get extremely negative but hearing from someone with fresh eyes is great.
@pyramidion5911
@pyramidion5911 Месяц назад
PJ hates on grrm out of jealousy
@thecockerel86
@thecockerel86 Месяц назад
This. I love the optimism of new blood.
@May14533
@May14533 Месяц назад
We r all depressed
@realbabyeater
@realbabyeater Месяц назад
@@pyramidion5911 this but unironically
@eeejjj6378
@eeejjj6378 Месяц назад
It would have been nice if we heard more from her. I can't imagine why he wouldn't want to hear her opinions more than regurgitating his own for the 100th time.
@blakebaldwin3993
@blakebaldwin3993 Месяц назад
You have no idea how much I wanted this
@julioulloa5403
@julioulloa5403 Месяц назад
You are not alone my friend!!!!
@L3monsta
@L3monsta Месяц назад
This was a surprise to be sure but a welcome one
@amanda.please
@amanda.please Месяц назад
It’s like Christmas 🥰
@davidcook8065
@davidcook8065 Месяц назад
Nice conversation. I wish we could have had more "what did you notice?" rather than "did you notice this?" Leading questions interfere with the undiluted thoughts of a new reader.
@jrbowler84
@jrbowler84 Месяц назад
That is a very well observed and very well put critique. That is indeed my own problem (though problem isn’t quite the word). Still an engaging discussion to listen to, as you said
@amysteriousviewer3772
@amysteriousviewer3772 Месяц назад
I think Preston tends to forget that not everyone has analysed these books word by word
@secondeye1574
@secondeye1574 Месяц назад
Yeah, I was surprised by Preston being so out of touch with regular readers. Like I'm just a few minutes in, but him bringing up the retcons. Dude you just started doing chapter-by-chapter analyses into the first book, why are you extrapolating that onto someone who just finished it for the first time??
@edmann1820
@edmann1820 Месяц назад
You can see that on her channel where she reviews every book.
@davidcook8065
@davidcook8065 Месяц назад
@@edmann1820 That’s a good idea, thanks.
@billyalarie929
@billyalarie929 Месяц назад
I love how she’s so amenable in so many ways, SO often, but then every so often she’ll throw out absolute BANGERS like “I think people like to think we’re more original than we actually are”
@Bodharas
@Bodharas Месяц назад
This is something you begin to come to terms with in your 30's. Most of us grew up being told we were special. Parents tell this to their children to help build confidence. Then as you grow older you realize that you're not, and all of us will mostly be forgotten. "all we are is just dust in the wind" after all.
@smitty1647
@smitty1647 Месяц назад
@@Bodharas just a drop of water in the endless sea. all we do crumbles to the ground but we refuse to see
@7thmizukage
@7thmizukage Месяц назад
Bookborn being integrated into the asoiaf world is my ever Christmas 😭
@DCharles
@DCharles Месяц назад
Well.. this is the collab I’ve been waiting for since I found bookborn a few months ago.
@OwenNewo619
@OwenNewo619 Месяц назад
I thought this was a George update when it first popped up in my notifications lol
@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin
@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin Месяц назад
I didn't even think about the implication of "I just finished." I'm sorry, man.
@OwenNewo619
@OwenNewo619 Месяц назад
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin lol all good, sir!
@scolioscraps8612
@scolioscraps8612 Месяц назад
Let’s be honest we’re probably never going to get that update.
@OwenNewo619
@OwenNewo619 Месяц назад
​@@scolioscraps8612 my bad for being optimistic 😂
@mtl9985
@mtl9985 Месяц назад
I thought the same
@acbandit1582
@acbandit1582 Месяц назад
Fun to see Bookborn doing the ASOIAF rounds, hope to see her in the next Alt Shift and Glidus food ranking stream!
@gokbay3057
@gokbay3057 Месяц назад
Bookborn with Schwifty and Glimbus or Quinn and Haven (both of these duos at different times really) would be really interesting to watch. Especially since I have seen both of the latter two in her ASOIAF review videos comment sections.
@0ussama01
@0ussama01 Месяц назад
Hahahahahaha that would be CRAAAZY 😂😂
@trumanberlin3522
@trumanberlin3522 Месяц назад
Was NOT expecting this collaboration, but I am very glad it happened.
@someguyoutthere110
@someguyoutthere110 Месяц назад
Preston sheepishly trying to convince her to read his fanfiction is adorable
@realbabyeater
@realbabyeater Месяц назад
60% of the video: PJ trying to convince Bookborn GRRM is a bad writer 40% of the video: PJ trying to convince Bookborn to read his fanfiction
@mysteryboxe9230
@mysteryboxe9230 Месяц назад
LMAOO
@erikhjort4770
@erikhjort4770 Месяц назад
I’m really surprised that people can’t differentiate between a favourite character in fiction and someone you’d actually like to have beer with. Some of my favourites are the villains. Doesn’t mean I’d love them IRL.
@DCharles
@DCharles Месяц назад
Yeah… try telling someone you like the Greens in Fire & Blood/HOTD
@michellem6451
@michellem6451 Месяц назад
I'd have a ​drink with yong Aegon to be fair @DCharles
@blackeyedlily
@blackeyedlily Месяц назад
Totally agree!
@takanara7
@takanara7 25 дней назад
No one in their right mind would want to hang out with Walter White, for example, lol.
@MC-el2us
@MC-el2us Месяц назад
Oh she is a sweet summer child 🥲
@pyramidion5911
@pyramidion5911 Месяц назад
She doesn't even believe Daario is Euron 😂 wait til she figures out everyone is Euron
@cameronfield4617
@cameronfield4617 Месяц назад
​@@pyramidion5911 Patchface is Euron
@amysteriousviewer3772
@amysteriousviewer3772 Месяц назад
@@cameronfield4617Hot Pie is definitely Euron
@anyoneattheendoftime4932
@anyoneattheendoftime4932 Месяц назад
Daario, Euron, the dusky woman, Syrio and Jaqen walk into a bar. He orders a drink.
@DrZaius3141
@DrZaius3141 Месяц назад
@@pyramidion5911 Except for Benjen, who is Bronn.
@erickr199
@erickr199 Месяц назад
39:04 Preston's Evil Laugh when he is about to talk about time travel haha 😂
@Bookborn
@Bookborn Месяц назад
Ruined my life fr
@VMF-rj8qo
@VMF-rj8qo Месяц назад
​@@Bookborn The show confirming it as book official was a slap to the face 😭
@turtleguyfan
@turtleguyfan Месяц назад
Love the idea of Bookborn slowly making the rounds around the ASOIAF community to talk about the books. Begging on my hands and knees for her to have an Alt Schwift X and Glidus encounter
@darwonka
@darwonka Месяц назад
Preston: George is a genius. Me: Aww. That's nice. Preston: He's also awful
@eeejjj6378
@eeejjj6378 Месяц назад
Preston's cynicism really shows in contrast.
@johnnycool4549
@johnnycool4549 Месяц назад
Yeah, I noticed that too. Maybe it comes from years of analyzing every detail of the books for his theories or the Winds fanfic.
@thecockerel86
@thecockerel86 Месяц назад
I thought Preston sounded old. I felt old too as a result. These sweet summer children will do this to you!
@bigbilly4532
@bigbilly4532 29 дней назад
hes just spent too much time in this material. he brought so much of us to view it deeper and appreciate it and then he kept going to the point of being super cynical about it. The contrast here is amazing and hopefully he notices it a bit. Hes not wrong he just is overly cynical at this point.
@WarKrieg
@WarKrieg 27 дней назад
I am 5 minutes into this video and decided to turn it off. I followed and loved her journey thru the story and here within 5 minutes, this guy has decided to be wet blanket and constantly destroy her wonder in the story and world. Wtf
@kettlemagic
@kettlemagic 16 дней назад
My god yes! Not even 10 mins in an Preston’s making me cringe with all his hyper-overanalytic perspectives on the series and him backpedaling once he hears Bookborn’s totally normal “just started my first reread” takes on everything. Preston forgets to enjoy and appreciate the character driven nature of the series and hyper fixate on every little “illogical” thing in the given narrative.
@habitatryder
@habitatryder Месяц назад
"I just finished A Song of Ice and Fire in 2024" - a quote George r.r. Martin wishes he could say.
@chrisviolante1953
@chrisviolante1953 Месяц назад
I didn’t realize how negative Preston’s views and opinions can be compared to most lol
@CallousCarter
@CallousCarter Месяц назад
Preston's probably put about as much thought Into this series as George has at this point, when you're that familiar with the material all the flaws become glaring and all the seems obvious.
@chrisviolante1953
@chrisviolante1953 Месяц назад
@@CallousCarter idk about as much as George but I agree with the flaws, I just don’t think none of them are big deals tbh
@CallousCarter
@CallousCarter Месяц назад
@@chrisviolante1953 Ye I agree its mostly minor apart from them not being finished!
@Bodharas
@Bodharas Месяц назад
He made a statement that made a lot of sense to me. Something on the lines of after awhile and a couple rereads you see his writing as human and can see the flaws. When before they aren't as obvious. GRRM is still a brilliant writer, but when you surround yourself with a subject you see everything. It happens with any favorite medium. My favorite band I thought was flawless. I love them. I go to a bunch of shows. I used to think of them as perfect. Now, if they make one mistake I hear it as clear as day.
@fyviane
@fyviane Месяц назад
@@chrisviolante1953 exploring negatives of something can be an expression of love
@erikhjort4770
@erikhjort4770 Месяц назад
I think that Jon being observant in Game of Thrones and later not being observant isn’t that strange. People change. His main characteristic early on is his bastardy whereas later on he’s a man of the nights watch and of the free folk. He’s the lord commander and he’s got a lot of things to deal with.
@jessjess23brooks89
@jessjess23brooks89 Месяц назад
I agree. I took it as him being overwhelmed. He's just a kid with a huge responsibility. You are gonna start missing things when you are actively trying to save the world from ice monsters, while contending with huge groups of people who hate eachother and your sister potentially being tortured by the man who stole your family seat. In fact, I'm a 33 year old adult and just summarizing it gave me some anxiety lol
@sidefack
@sidefack Месяц назад
I like to blame the fact that when at Winterfell he was a bastard, his siblings were above him and he would feel left out as a result like an observer. At the wall Jon almost takes a higher status role, He's well trained and can fight, becomes steward to the lord commander and receives a special sword for saving the Lord Commanders life.
@Runch78
@Runch78 26 дней назад
also the dude is drinking mulled wine like every chapter lmao. not exactly hard to get your senses dulled when youre on the train to alcoholism
@WanderingPropeller
@WanderingPropeller 6 дней назад
Yeah, I picked up on this too. Weird take from Preston.
@seeranos
@seeranos Месяц назад
Cat may not be my fave character, but hell she's written so well, and reading through her chapters I really appreciated her perspective on Northern culture and how her story growing up affected how she approached her own family and how she moves politically. It's so relatable. Also, Preston, my fave series of yours is Genetics of Dragons!
@nicholasfish6793
@nicholasfish6793 Месяц назад
Catelyn IV Clash of Kings is my favorite chapter in ASOIAF. She isn't my favorite character, but that peek inside of her psyche is beautiful to me in how she relates the faces of the Seven to people she loves...then shadow baby at the end
@kanegregory5779
@kanegregory5779 Месяц назад
I suspect the line Bookborn used to work out the alchemist was Jaqen H'ghar was when Pate asks "Who are you?" and the alchemist replies "A stranger. No one. Truly."
@Bookborn
@Bookborn Месяц назад
YES!!
@smitty1647
@smitty1647 Месяц назад
makes sense. seems like the last thing the faceless men should be saying to people though. that'd be like if i'm going to rob a store and tell the clerk "these prices are a STEAL ;)"
@liul
@liul Месяц назад
​@@smitty1647the guy he was talking to was about to die, so...
@Zacahorse
@Zacahorse Месяц назад
Yooo unexpected pairing but so makes sense when you consider how level-headed Bookborn is toward characters the fandom tends to hate!
@pyramidion5911
@pyramidion5911 Месяц назад
Cat is wack
@IreliAmBad
@IreliAmBad Месяц назад
Really wish Preston didnt bring so much of his pessimism and headcanon into this interview. 50% of this was just him telling her how she should feel or what she should think.
@TimRobertsen
@TimRobertsen Месяц назад
Yes, it would have been smart to let her talk, as much as possible, about her take and understanding of the books, and Preston reserving his takes/opinions as long as possible to prevent "coloring" her opinions
@desmondmyers
@desmondmyers Месяц назад
Yeah it’s feeling extremely mansplainy to me and I’m not sure I can get through it because of it
@Loll0saurus
@Loll0saurus 29 дней назад
@@desmondmyers It felt really womansplainy to me. Telling people how to feel and stuff. But yea thats why I quit. It's really annoying and I'd really prefer if people didn't do it. Edit. Oh yeah, and sorry for mansplaining definitions for you, but it ad to be done.
@WarKrieg
@WarKrieg 27 дней назад
I made it 5 minutes into this interview before turning it off precisely for that reason
@Cecil_Harvey
@Cecil_Harvey 26 дней назад
It was nice to see her shut down his nonsense repeatedly though.
@thehermitman822
@thehermitman822 Месяц назад
I'm finally finding more than Alt Shift, Glidus, and David for this content. Edit: Looks like this will be a useful comment for people looking for channels. Thx for the replies.
@thehermitman822
@thehermitman822 Месяц назад
Only just saw her with couple others talking theories yesterday. My feed is hit or miss on the daily.
@jessjess23brooks89
@jessjess23brooks89 Месяц назад
I really hope she chats with David. She would absolutely love his symbolism.
@pyramidion5911
@pyramidion5911 Месяц назад
Company of Cat, Quinn the GM, Disputed Lands, Radio Westeros, History of Westeros are all great channels for anyone. Order of the Greenhand, Interesting Nerd Club, Eldrich Stoneskin, and Neurotic Nathan are all great channels for those trying to study the higher mysteries.
@Rocsanna
@Rocsanna Месяц назад
There's also a new-ish channel that’s awesome! Crusader Chris. And wasn’t there Kevin Pendragon or something like that who did some very in-depth Varys series?
@Rocsanna
@Rocsanna Месяц назад
And Joe Magician! How could I forget! Just rewatched his A Targaryen Murder Mystery on Dragonstone, plus many others in preparation for HotD, and they were even better than I remembered
@thisguy8106
@thisguy8106 Месяц назад
Bookborn.. Don't feel bad. I missed *sooooo* much on my first read through. It made me realize how much I wasnt actually paying attention while I was reading material. Changed a lot about how I read stuff afterwards.
@RawJah
@RawJah 4 дня назад
I believed literally everything that was said in the books. I completely stayed away from any theories while not being done and then for some reason the first video I watched was the Dornish Master Plan and boy, did that change everything :D NOt that I believe Preston is right with everything or anything, but it changed my perspective, and only then I realised that the POV-Chars could be wrong or lieing about stuff or people could lie or be wrong about stuff they tell them.
@BubblegumCrash332
@BubblegumCrash332 Месяц назад
I have been watching her book reviews of ASOIF and I wasn't expecting this interview. What a nice surprise
@curtis25920
@curtis25920 Месяц назад
I hope Bookborn is convinced that the comet is a Volcryn by the end of this video
@didrikmesicek4825
@didrikmesicek4825 28 дней назад
Alternate title: Preston Ruins ASOIAF for Innocent Girl with Theories
@patbau96
@patbau96 Месяц назад
Wow omg the only thing better than finding a video you were looking for is finding a video you weren't looking for
@jorgerangel2390
@jorgerangel2390 Месяц назад
Now this is a crossover i have to watch
@salvatorenoth2489
@salvatorenoth2489 Месяц назад
The crossover I only ever dreamed of
@mtl9985
@mtl9985 Месяц назад
Didnt even think it was an option
@billyalarie929
@billyalarie929 Месяц назад
@@mtl9985never would’ve guessed in a million years this would happen
@jeffreyjbyron
@jeffreyjbyron Месяц назад
Bookborn: I love these books! George is a genius Preston: George is a genius but let me show you why the books are bad
@inigo137
@inigo137 17 дней назад
But they aren't Most of the things he points out is absolutely nitpicking
@jeffreyjbyron
@jeffreyjbyron 17 дней назад
@@inigo137 Agree
@creekboi7
@creekboi7 Месяц назад
Maybe the Hodor thing just serves as Bran's lesson on why he shouldn't interfere with the past
@liul
@liul Месяц назад
Great point
@blackeyedlily
@blackeyedlily Месяц назад
That is my thought about it.
@Radio.Jump857
@Radio.Jump857 Месяц назад
Then why even fucking introduce it? Lol. It's not like time travel was this thing bran constantly did in the past books that he has to learn is bad. Lol.
@Sway22
@Sway22 21 день назад
But Hodor was always like that, before Bran did his thing too. So he didn't rly change the past. It always happened, it was ment to be.
@inigo137
@inigo137 17 дней назад
This makes no sense - you can't travel to the past -oh shit, he did it -oh no, it was bad, let's not do that ever again It would just be - you can't travel to the past -oh ok DONE
@zerosum8616
@zerosum8616 Месяц назад
THE FACT THAT I CLICKED ON THIS THINKING IT WAS A QUOTE FROM GEORGE MAKES ME SO MAD btw I love you bookborn
@Bookborn
@Bookborn Месяц назад
Now I'm disappointed that it's just me and not actually george finishing winds
@lawdawgm2844
@lawdawgm2844 Месяц назад
with his announcement of him finally going to the next worldcon I think he could announce it!
@hannahbun
@hannahbun Месяц назад
I love Bookborn because she's pretty much on the same page as me about everything, including favorite characters and how we view them. It's cool to see someone experiencing the story independently without all the fandom influence and landing on the same sorts of conclusions about characters that I did when I first read the books in high school. I'm just like 'yes, yes, you get it!'
@7thmizukage
@7thmizukage Месяц назад
Everytime someone hates on Catelyn, a CotF cries
@henriquedaumas9934
@henriquedaumas9934 Месяц назад
dies***
@filipferencak2717
@filipferencak2717 28 дней назад
I mean, they're creepy little buggers and are trying to manipulate mankind, so f em 😂
@yusufs1676
@yusufs1676 Месяц назад
Great to listen to someone who isn’t jaded about this series haha
@ThroatJunk
@ThroatJunk Месяц назад
This is going to be fascinating
@jackiec9139
@jackiec9139 Месяц назад
lol love Preston saying "some ppl say" when it's him saying it. Not even acknowledging that it's his theory lol
@edmann1820
@edmann1820 Месяц назад
A lot of them aren't his original theories. It's hard to tell which are his especially if you heard them here first. But at this stage literally everything possible has been suggested on the ASoIaF forums. He took a lot from there and added to it or made it his own.
@individumm5366
@individumm5366 Месяц назад
It’s truly the most hilarious thing in this video: „there was this discord in the community started by a theory by some people that Bran can actually time travel“ mate YOU started (or at least popularised it)
@VMF-rj8qo
@VMF-rj8qo Месяц назад
​@@edmann1820 Yep, if he said "my theory" there would surely be comments pointing out he's claiming theories he didn't make.
@MasterPoppers
@MasterPoppers Месяц назад
@@individumm5366 I would say he definitely popularized a bunch of theories. But most of them had been started long before Preston joined the fandom. R+L=D, Time-Traveling Bran, and even Quentyn is alive (I think) were started elsewhere.
@MasterPoppers
@MasterPoppers Месяц назад
Oh, and Lemongate, of course.
@Grumbo-
@Grumbo- Месяц назад
I found Bookborn a few months ago, so I'm very happy to see you two collaborating!
@poppag8281
@poppag8281 Месяц назад
I honestly never noticed Jon was so perceptive in the early chapters of a game of thrones, i'll have to re read them to see if I notice it (now that I think on it Jon does notice some small details in the feast in the first jon chapter)
@mymaynee5963
@mymaynee5963 Месяц назад
jon has no pov chapters in feast
@poppag8281
@poppag8281 Месяц назад
@@mymaynee5963 was refering to the winterfell feast in a game of thrones should have made that more clear
@pyramidion5911
@pyramidion5911 Месяц назад
Just read that chapter again a few nights ago, and I think Jon is meant to come off as brooding more than he is observant. Half of his "observations" are just him making wild leaps about people based on their appearance. What's really going on is Preston Jacob's has convinced himself George made a bunch of errors and retcons, but it really isn't true. The first book has symbolism and foreshadowing for the entire series. If anything, it's remarkable how early and consistent the symbolism and foreshadowing appear in the story. The chapters contain stories within the story itself for those with a keen eye. The level of planning and efficiency of words in these books is nothing short of genius.
@Woozie87
@Woozie87 Месяц назад
He was written as a loner I my eyes, and most loners are very observant. Jon’s a Wallflower early on but also very mad that he’s a bastard and basically has no option for an honorable position other than a man of the nights watch like his uncle. Cat also ignored him and made it clear that she hated Jon, I don’t blame him for being brooding loner.
@justsomedude5727
@justsomedude5727 Месяц назад
Early Jon sounds to me like a dour teenager who thinks they know everything and they're so good at everything then Jon finds out he doesn't know shit and humbles himself
@witz
@witz Месяц назад
bookborns asoiaf vids brought some much needed perspective to the fandom starting it knowing it more than likely wont be finished
@smxaviermelendez9210
@smxaviermelendez9210 Месяц назад
Yay! So glad you two got together for a video
@razeric
@razeric Месяц назад
can’t wait when you start discussing Quentyn
@mtl9985
@mtl9985 Месяц назад
Just came from her theories video 😂
@Augusto_Pinochet
@Augusto_Pinochet Месяц назад
I don’t think I’ve ever used the word “lovely” to describe anyone, but, she is absolutely lovely. Smart, sweet, and adorable.
@YoungNarcissus
@YoungNarcissus Месяц назад
Wow literally the greatest crossover of all time
@Spongebrain97
@Spongebrain97 Месяц назад
I literally found her channel a month or two ago when it popped on my recommended and quickly watched many of her videos. So this crossover us unexpected and neat
@dablackangel
@dablackangel Месяц назад
When i saw Bookborn's review of ASOIAF i instantly recommended Preston's channel... so I'm extremely glad for this 🎉
@jablesrolland
@jablesrolland Месяц назад
Awesome collab! Been following her journey. Epic to see you two together
@MrSilversteen
@MrSilversteen Месяц назад
The collaboration that I never knew I wanted! Nice one guys 😊
@nateh9917
@nateh9917 Месяц назад
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I've been waiting for this since her first review came out and I'm so excited to see it's almost 2 hours long. With this and the Trey video we have been eating good
@OddMusician
@OddMusician Месяц назад
I didn’t know I could have this crossover! ❤
@Exnem
@Exnem Месяц назад
Bookborn when she finished the last book, "Ok now I dont need to wait as long for the next one" That's what I thought... in 2015 😆
@JonGunnarssonDotA
@JonGunnarssonDotA Месяц назад
That's what I thought when I finished Feast in 2006 and read the afterword from 2005 promising Dance the next year ("I devoutly hope," he had added in parenthesis).
@MasterPoppers
@MasterPoppers Месяц назад
Oh shit, was not expecting this crossover. Bookborn has now truly entered into the depths of ASOIAF madness. Welcome.
@Michael_R_Miller
@Michael_R_Miller Месяц назад
Two of my favs in the Ice and Fire crossover universe we never expected. Fantastic 😍
@abbefaria2596
@abbefaria2596 Месяц назад
that was a very enjoyable discussion, thank you both!
@jeffreyjbyron
@jeffreyjbyron Месяц назад
Preston is too used to talking too much. Let your guests speak! --This is meant as constructive criticism, I also struggling with talking too much. We all know Preston's opinions about GRRM, but this is a good chance to hear the thoughts of a new reader. I'm glad he asked about female perspective, that was a great question. I think ASOIAF has a lot of female readers.
@Kazoid1337
@Kazoid1337 Месяц назад
OMG YES I saw her other video about theories and I was desperate to hear her talk with you!!!
@darrylseymour
@darrylseymour Месяц назад
YES!!! I SAW THE THUMBNAIL AND THIS IS AWESOME!!!
@Cosplaythefamilyway
@Cosplaythefamilyway Месяц назад
I was so happy to see this collaboration!
@mcdoublenfries7412
@mcdoublenfries7412 26 дней назад
Boy that was one of the most smooth brain takes on disliking Catelyn
@dylanwagstaff2505
@dylanwagstaff2505 Месяц назад
most the times preston says "some people think" its something he thinks hahhaha
@iliaponomarev1624
@iliaponomarev1624 Месяц назад
> Only Ned and Arys Oakheart are 100% dead What do you mean? Ned is alive. He's Daario Naharis.
@gokbay3057
@gokbay3057 Месяц назад
Of course Ned is alive. Edric Dayne that is.
@manband20
@manband20 Месяц назад
"Never in my life have I needed something so much, and never known until I received it." - King Prince Vegeta
@Hroupe
@Hroupe Месяц назад
You naming Theon and Victarion as your top characters must've been very confusing for her lmao
@Bookborn
@Bookborn Месяц назад
It would've been before Dance! I see the vision tbh
@hardlo7146
@hardlo7146 Месяц назад
Add Jon Con to those two and you got my top 3
@hardyworld
@hardyworld Месяц назад
This was a great discussion. I've followed Bookborn for a long time (her content is great), even back in the days when she said she could never read ASoIaF, and watching her become a huge fan of the series once she was willing to try it has been very enjoyable to watch. I look forward to seeing her back here some time in the future!
@MrVictor1227
@MrVictor1227 Месяц назад
Great Video Preston. I saw all her reviews of the books, Cool collab🎉
@autje1970
@autje1970 Месяц назад
The collab that was promised.
@Brassblitz
@Brassblitz Месяц назад
I'm so nostalgic! I finished ADWD in 2011. Game of Thrones was just starting and so true to the books and just fantastic.
@Jonathan-ug9yu
@Jonathan-ug9yu Месяц назад
This has made me want to do a full asoiaf reread and then binge watch Preston's vault of tinfoil theories all over again
@Charles-In-Charge
@Charles-In-Charge Месяц назад
Preston just so hurt that Bookborn doesn’t like his Quentyn theory
@Hroupe
@Hroupe Месяц назад
It's his fan-fiction disguised as a theory XD
@dirtysheepdog
@dirtysheepdog Месяц назад
An unexpected crossover but an excellent crossover!
@Jodaku
@Jodaku Месяц назад
The crossover I never knew I needed! Awesome!
@arvaakuka8568
@arvaakuka8568 Месяц назад
Someone commented that Trey was the phd student presenting his research to a GRRM scholar and I get a similar feeling from this one 😂
@gokbay3057
@gokbay3057 Месяц назад
Bookborn might be more of a bachelor or masters student than phd in the GRRM studies department at the current state though.
@amanda.please
@amanda.please Месяц назад
The Pink Letter was written by Wyman Manderly!! He makes the most sense
@shinymk6562
@shinymk6562 Месяц назад
Guys the stars are aligned! Bookborn finished ASOIAF! HOTD S2 is coming out this Sunday! Winds of Winter soon??????
@lucasshill8780
@lucasshill8780 Месяц назад
TOTALLY UNEXPECTED TOTALLY HERE FOR IT
@OwenNewo619
@OwenNewo619 Месяц назад
Great! Another Preston video to listen to while doing house work
@Steph_Drake
@Steph_Drake Месяц назад
Oh my goodness what a nice surprise guest! I follow you both 😊
@Jonoridge
@Jonoridge 13 дней назад
This lady has just finished the books for the first time and you're projecting so much of your opinions onto her it feels a bit much for me. There was greater value in letting her share her own thoughts FIRST on things rather than you waffling on about retcons because you microanalysed everything to the point of resentment. I really don't think there's any value in talking about alleged retcons with someone coming out of it the first time.
@secondeye1574
@secondeye1574 11 дней назад
I knoww it's so painful. And he talks as if it's obvious and everyone should notice these things, but Preston himself has admitted that this reread is the reason he's noticed all these issues. It's so weird to just assume that someone on their FIRST reread would immediately be ready to have a more negative feeling of the story. That's not how rereads of praised stories typically go, and it just doesn't in this case.
@ciandryl
@ciandryl Месяц назад
Omg i love her, can’t believe you linked with her 🥰
@redblobdude
@redblobdude 27 дней назад
Bob Weir is more than just a guitarist. He is also a singer and an absolute legend. I’m a massive deadhead as well as a big fan of asoiaf but I never knew the weirwood trees were named for him! That’s amazing! The fact that Martin was such a fan of that era that he incorporated it into his work makes me love the series even more.
@SethPlato01
@SethPlato01 Месяц назад
The time travel part its pretty much the same concept the autor of the manga attack on titan used, a character does exactly what bran its doing and the reveal explains eveything on the story, it relates to dune as well. A character in attack on titan discovers that can see memories of his predecesors, past people that inherit a thing that he has (like a parasite). Then he can see the memories of past "vases of the parasite" and at some point he realizes that he can talk to them, so he starts to manipulate around "his past selfs" kinda manipulating himself to break the system, it has a tree and all, and the themes revolve around free will.
@eoghanclark165
@eoghanclark165 Месяц назад
Bookborn's descent into ASoIaF feels very parallel to Merphy Napier's descent into One Piece, and I'm so here for it 😂
@VMF-rj8qo
@VMF-rj8qo Месяц назад
I thought I was the only one who made that connection
21 день назад
I wish more people would read, I need people to talk about books with.
@timocruz510
@timocruz510 Месяц назад
Two of the best! What a collab My fav scene(s) on re-read is Purple Wedding or all of Qhorin Halfhand
@Luke-jo4to
@Luke-jo4to Месяц назад
FINALLY!!! Love this
@yacine8552
@yacine8552 Месяц назад
This video was so unexpected ! That was so good
@ethanbrown4167
@ethanbrown4167 Месяц назад
love to see bookborn colabing with the asoiaf community
@Schnabeltassentier
@Schnabeltassentier Месяц назад
This is so much fun!
@nordette
@nordette Месяц назад
Watched the whole thing. Wasnt expecting to enjoy this that much!
@abelsampaio389
@abelsampaio389 Месяц назад
My belief is that dany is daughter of Rhaegar with Ashara Dayne. Re-reading, I just realized that GoT has the first Dany chapter just after Jon's, and he argues with Benjen about bastards and wanting to join the NIght's Watch. It would be very George to make a story about a bastard (Dany) who lived a live thinking she is a Princess, while a Prince (Jon) lived his live believing he's a Bastard.
@shortstuff780
@shortstuff780 Месяц назад
Wow!! I found her during her first ASoIaF book review, love seeing you both speak Yall are great
@Max-oi4it
@Max-oi4it Месяц назад
Do you think it's possible that the lemon tree thing wasn't supposed to mean anything, but does now because fans obsess over it and George gardened something out of it? Bc in an older draft Daenerys doesn't grow up in Braavos but in (I think) Tyrosh, which is a place where Lemon trees grow. Grrm obviously changed the city but maybe (kinda) forgot about the eco system that changed with the location. Maybe he looked back on his error and decided that it's not an error at all and now it's a mystery
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