I Left a Bright HDR Patch on an LG OLED for 4 Hours - Did It Burn-In? 

Great to know, do you do anything special on desktop, i like alot of shortcuts on my pc desktop, or do you just have a screensaver on all the time ? thx

​@@ChrisDaytraderI don't use my tv lots for pc use, but whenever I do, I have 100-ish shortcuts on my desktop. This has never presented an issue for me. (this is a lg c1 btw) I would think the newer models are even more burn in resistant.

@@MrDalesen Thx for replying, i will only use my CX for gaming sometimes also, cheers

My lg oled got burn in.

Same, i have the Sony Bravia OLED since 2018, uses LG panel, been gaming, watching sports etc.. for 5 years now abd no signs of burn in. Score cardd would be displayed for the duration of the sport, channel branding, static HUDs from games etc... Used it normally and its fine. Most OLED owners are enthusiasts and would probably swap out their TV for the next bleeding edge tech anyway... I want VRR and 120hz 4k which my tv doesnt have, so i wouldnt be phased if it started to burn in.

I can say the same for my LG C1 77", including TPC/GSR disable. Disabling TPC/GSR made the device so bright that I first turned to OLED brightnes down to 55, and shortly after to 45. On such a large screen used as computer monitor this is by far bright enough. It running at an average of 13 hours per day, and not the slightest burn in. Up to now it only needed two full clean cycles. Current uptime is 10542 hours, I bought it on 12th July 2021 (Service Menu UTT, since the EU models don't show the runtime in the normal menu for whatever stupid reason). Edit: Yes, as a computer screen 99,999% of the time, since my computer is my TV, radio, video recorder etc since about 1998... No reason to change that.

More or less the same here with a C9. Initially I turned it off every few hours, but now it's on 12+ hours per day. No issues at all. Very happy.

Great to know, do you do anything special on desktop, i like alot of shortcuts on my pc desktop, or do you just have a screensaver on all the time ? thx

LG C2 42" since last X-Mas, at least 6-7 hours of use daily (gaming,yt,movies), auto dimming disabled in service menu, no issues so far.

Same here with an LG C2 42" used as a monitor, with auto dimming disabled and on for several hours a day. I don't take any measure to take care of it, i don't hide the macOS bar, leave windows in the same positions sometimes for a long time and no burn in or anything.. Unless you purposely try to burn in something on the display (like the test Vincent is doing) i feel that burn in by using the C2 as a monitor, without any particular preventive measure, is a non issue.

rtings tests does something like that.

Rtings has about 7200 hours on their LG C1 and C2 and they're both within measurement error for the brightness

Let’s see-10k hours is about 2.2 years if you leave the TV on 12 hours/day. If Screen tech is evolving at a very fast rate, you might want a new improved panel after maybe 2.5 years anyway, no?

@@kineahora8736 My IPS ultrawide has ~12000h according to counter, and works just like first day, and I hope it will do 12000h more, and all tech doesn't improve so much, IPS just making screens faster meaning more hz, VA do slightly better colors and viewing angles and oled do more resolution, size and hz variations, so 5 years old top of the line screen is basically very close to new top of the line screen, just watch what happened in reviews 2-3 years before and you will see that things standing still.

@@kineahora8736no, I would want to buy a new one at least after 5 years, never less than that.

This is what I was thinking as well. Did the overall brightness decrease after this?

1. According to a Reddit user, RTings did burn-in tests of the LG B9 and in 11,000 hours the TVs did not lose any level of brightness (Did this involve multiple screen cleans though?) 2. Another source, TheDigitalFill, states that OLED TVs will take more than 10 years of regular use to cause any noticeable brightness reduction (Point 1 and 2 have been pulled from a Bing search) (All comments in brackets are my text, not Bing's) What I don't know from this test is was the brightness set at max level or not. This would impact the 11,000 hours I think. Different OLED's mileage would vary also and I would also think that the brighter the OLED the shorter the lifespan of the brightness. 11,000 hours would be about 5 years if the set is on for 6 hours a day. Have heard that running the screen clean feature on OLED's decreases the lifespan of the OLED panel. Came across this quote from thedigitalfill "However, most OLED TVs are rated for 50,000 hours or more before the brightness drops by HALF" That would suggest that you would lose 10% brightness every 10,000 hours of usage but again there are variables that would affect this.

Absolutely no issues with brightness and sour samsung users are the only ones who spread this nonsense. Trust the manufacturers statement in this scenario: LG takes their OLED technology very seriously, they even predicted Samsung's burn-in issues just based on the specsheet alone BEFORE it released. This should tell you that they're aware of the limits and what to expect at certain brightness levels. People gave LG shit with their game mode (which btw the DTM in game mode on the G3 works perfectly now. No more raised black levels) and it turns out Samsung was just saturating their screen to artificially "enhance" the image. If you put the LG in native mode it will also saturate the colors in games. If that's something people want then you can do it. I played on an older LG OLED for 6 years and the brightness wasn't affected in the slightest after THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of hours of use and there no no image burnin/retention at all. Simply stated: Enjoy your TV, leave the panel protection settings on, (dimming after so much time of not using it, logo brightness), and don't worry about brightness or burnin. Let the TV handle its cleaning automatically.

True, most people own a display for several years and use it many hours per day, so I'm not sure that any short-term test will tell us anything.

Yeah but how often are these screens even ON for 400-500 hours!? If THAT'S the risky use case, then virtually NOBODY needs to worry about the risk.

@@Wobbothe3rd This is a computer monitor. I use my monitor for work, gaming, and watching videos. 40hrs/week is a standard US workweek, that's 2,000 hours if you assume two weeks of vacation. Now add on a few hours per week gaming or browsing... you could easily hit 3,000 hours per year usage.

​@@nathanddrewsburn in occurs due to running the pixels at their maximum power/ability which increases the temperature, by running that test vincent subjected the monitor to absolute torture for 4 hours and showed how there are measures to fix the temporary retention. Permanent retention is going to be much more difficult or even impossible to replicate if the anti screen burn measures are properly run, as you can see from LG's results in RTINGS's test. The only reason I can think of for burn in occuring is 5 years or so later when you're likely to change the tv. Overall I'm not too concerned with oled burn in, just find the anti screen burn measures such as auto dimming and much lower brightness higher window sizes a bit, annoying. OLEDs have come a long way, if u look at LG. OLED TV manufacturers such as Sony and Samsung NEED to fix their algorithms for the anti screen burn measures and/or provide a manual way to start them to provide ease of mind for buyers imo.

@@Wobbothe3rd It's 400 hours cumulative, not in one go..

But but lies. Everyone says OLEDs doesn't get burn in. They also never use their TVs, lol. I suspect you and your friend actually have some hours on the panels. Hence more REAL world usage. People should be able to expect to use their TV normally for 4 years without issues like this. I have a Sony 900E LED. I have likely 25,000 hours on it and 6 years. Not a hint of issues with it. I use my TV for everything. PC and movies and TV.

@@loki76 I've used my OLED screen 12-16 hours a day as a HTPC with pixel shift and logo dimming disabled for a year. No burn in at all with the taskbar not set to auto-hide. I fully expect it to get burn-in at some point but nothing yet. I do run low-mid brightness though, which I'm guessing delays things significantly. As Rtings recently pointed out some screens are really bad at running their pixel refresh cycles and I suspect a lot of the reports of burn-in are actually something that could be solved with a simple 10 minute refresh cycle.

Most huds these days let you manage the opacity, which reduces the risk of burn in almost completely. But not all game devs implement that unfortunately. I think it should be a standard these days, seeing so many people playing on oled tvs.

Did you run it a peak brightness or?

Normal usage will never cause burn in

​@@NexGenTekyour normal isn't everyone's normal. And when they don't explain that this is a possibility it kinda burns!

games are a lot more dynamic than people think. Even in HDR it shouldn't be an issue if you are actually playing and not just setting the controller down for days at a time. I rmember the rtigns burn in test that had call of duty playing all day never got noticable burn in

bingo

So the question then becomes is it cumulative because if so you'd have to reach a point where you have a very uneven screen in terms of voltages with significant temperature variations (and higher ones at that).

Me too. Although the Philips 908 is still not available, ridiculous. The Americans have just crowned the best TV in the world when it's actually the best TV in the US. Of course I understand why but even so, without the Panasonic and the Philips it's a very watered down test imo.

@trevhib D nice one the calibrator's for the shoot out wants to import a Panasonic oled for next year , he said the best of the best should be in a shoot out.

@@michaelfoster3441That's great news, fingers crossed for that 👍

Guess I'm not buying QD OLED anytime soon. Sorry that happened.

@@christianprincipe3402 the burn ins are usually more pronounced on certain subpixels, you would need to display RGB separately and reverse burn in each colour on its own.

To be fair you should feel more "stupid" about trying to use oled as a monitor for anything other than multimedia. It will always burn in, just a matter of when. You shouldn't have to hide your bookmarks or taskbar on a normal product, especially on a premium priced one.

Why should you feel stupid using the monitor as INTENDED. You shouldn't have to go through extra lengths and jump through hoops to have a Monitor you paid a LOT of money for working. You got about a years worth before it turned sour. That is why OLED is not end all be all technology.

​@DM-rc4yu no need to feel stupid when the monitor comes with 3 year warranty that covers burn in. They can just get a replacement next day.

It only happens when you have static elements for 5 minutes, so if your scrolling or something, it simply won't pixel shift. When it happens and you're looking at the screen, you will notice.

Better be worried about extreme vertical banding in grey images... I'll probably sent it back and try Another Unit, if it has the same issue, no oled for Me then. Only one vertical line on the left is the Problem ONLY ONE🥹😭

Good question

That testing method they are doing is flawed in lot of ways. Sure it indicates some stuff, but dont take it as some "super proof".

Yeah unfortunately some people just don't want the best technology available so OLED isn't for them.

@@RH-nk7eo It really isn't suited to showing static elements for many hours a day and will eventually cause burn-in. Look at RTINGS burn-in test if you don't believe me. The three OLED monitors in the test show hints of permanent burn-in after just 4 months, though the test is very stressful at 20 hours/day and so represents more than 4 months of even heavy usage. (For the record I have an OLED TV, but I don't feel it's entirely ready for desktop usage with the taskbar always showing and so on.)

@@RH-nk7eoWhat a stupid comment. Maybe they use their TVs more and hence WOULD get burn in and are not as stupid as to spend thousands on shit that is broken in just a few years. Many people aren't suckers like some.

​@@loki76you would die on a hill defending shitty LED tv's wouldn't you? I have had a LG CX since release back in 2020, and used the tv for hours, every day, not a single hint of burn in, dirty screen effects on those fugly LED's though, yuck!

@elcactuar3354 Nope but hee fk them i know it better! 😅

No, this is sponsored misinformation. Everybody knows that burn-in can't happen in just 4 hours, so using this video as 'proof' will just confuse normal people

The LG 27 uses MLA to also boost brightness,that means the pixels receive very low voltage compared to the qd,and also lower heat ,I suppose that significantly make its lifespan longer.

Best Buy 5 year protection plan is pretty nice. Covers burn in and they usually just replace the TV/Monitor with the newest model. Peace of mind for me.

And the main reason why we don't have better tech is because government energy efficiency targets. We could make flat screen CRT's right now, but we don't, because they'd use 200w instead of 100w, and governments won't allow them to go to market. ALL of it is driven by climate propaganda, and most people don't realize that governments heavily control what technology we're allowed access to or even to develop, because of power usage. That's why LCD and OLED ever became a thing in the first place, even though they are inferior to 50 year old technology. The problem with CRT's was merely the coating used for black, and the pixel density for resolution. With modern technology, that is all trivial now. The irony now though is OLED's actually use more power than CRT's used to. Old CRT's used to use ~50w of power, and now OLED's use over 100w of power.

thanks bro, today got my first oled qd oled aw34dwf

@@Criptooooo i have the samsung odyssey g8 oled.

this must be the logic consequence

Maybe a bit, but even with RTings first long term burn in test, runnings the TV's for 20h a day, letting them run their compensation cycles as scheduled, no meaningful brightness drop was noted.

They can go the other way round as well: Adjust the current flowing through those pixels. And then the affected pixel get 0,5% more voltage (pure guesswork) to compensate and hit the expected current draw again.

That's why these panels are soo "dim". It's because they're actually capable of 3000 nits, but they just set it to 800 nits max so that when they need to do voltage adjustments, it compensates for the brightness loss. So after a year, some pixels on your screen might be running the voltage that would deliver 2000nits if it was new and allowed to run that high, but since the pixels are worn out, they will only give 800 nits.

@nonsuch9301: Yes, we're preparing for our 2023 TV shootout where the TVs are entirely masked to eliminate subconscious bias however mild.

@kadajawi2: The Rtings results shown in this video was for WOLED vs QD-OLED monitors, not TVs.

@@hdtvtest True, though the underlying technology should be quite similar, right? If QD-OLED is prone to burn in, then it probably is with TVs and with monitors. Same with WOLED.

any moving logo and pixel shift does not prevent burning. It just make burned blob less pronounced.

That's exactly right. Mine has various logos burnt in. Just looks like a blob of mess instead of a single logo. 5 years of OLED ownership, happened around 4 year mark.

OLED TV Monitor for PC Windows / games: To appeal for a 5-year guarantee? I contacted LG support to find out about the OLED TV burn-in. We regret to say that this use falls into the category of unusual use. If, for example, still images are regularly displayed on a television set, burn-in may indeed occur. The TV is primarily intended for normal home use, such as watching films, playing games, etc. LG Customer Support

Thanks@@alexnovy240 It has been normal home use (no more than 8 hours daily), such as watching films and regular TV. I did not play games or use it as a computer console. I would have no issue owning any unusual or wrong use but it is far from it; worse yet is being blame for it without even asking for usage.

why?

@@stiffeification coz he is 91

​@@andyb9664you will die before your monitor/tv as well so keep that in mind

@@hmello3250 thx for that downer 😕

Unless you're making spreadsheets with a 800nits background, I wouldn't worry too much. Burn in or extreme image retention aren't really a thing at "sdr brightness levels"

@@peaceupmtown even if I might be doing it to 9-5 every a day of the week?

@@aviownzlol It will be fine. It really only happens around peak brightness. Manufacturers are really ahead of this now and the displays have various build in features to prevent this. I had the same doubts as you before, and here I am swapping all my displays for oleds, because they are that good 😊

@@peaceupmtown well, I wish people would explain it like you do. I already bought a new alienware ips and it literally just arrived

@@aviownzlol Nothing wrong with a solid IPS panel 😊

If you let the monitor do its thing, you will be fine. Organic material has finite lifespan, these methods distribute the wear evenly to eliminate burn in. Eventually organic material will get used up and monitor will be trash. I see some mixed numbers. Generally seems like 4-5 years heavy use you would see some degradation. But most people won't see that.

Only if you anticipate your power failures are always going to occur at precisely the moment you happen to turn the TV off. And even if you did get a power failure within 10 minutes of turning off the TV you would just make yourself a note to do the clean procedure manually once power is restored.

That game has an opacity slider, setting it to 50 would have helped avoid that.