The issue isn't just that they jammed it all into 24 minutes, the issue is that they jammed 2-3 stories into 24 minutes. Use season 1 for example doing what season 4 does. Both of them have no giant plot. In season 1 every episode was its own story and it was fulfilled within those 24 minutes not counting the first 2 episodes being introductions and the last 2 episodes being the endgame. Each episode had a focus and subtle hints into a big picture but didn't take away from the main plot. Near the end of every episode, you were given a piece of whats going on but it didn't jump in the middle of your episode and jam itself in there. Hence why some of the best written stories were the prison episode, the snowheart episode and the kids/adults empty episode. Meanwhile we have episodes in season 4 where we will be dealing with beast boys depression, megan dealing with the death of connor during a spaceship ride and vandal savages memoir speech all happen while a wizard war is in action. A competint writer would be able to seperate the episodes and get their stories into 1 or 2 episodes. The first arc makes sense being the marriage. Thats the main catalyst. All they need to show us is connor in the background at the end of every episode to show the plot still moving or beast boys deression at the beginning rather than to bum rush it in the middle of the story. Its inconsistent. Its like they're treating you like a child saying "don't forget, megan is still riding in that spaceship home to deal with her problems haha. Oh no, beast boy is dealing with depression" and while they are trying to write it so that every one of these moments is happening at the same time, its done so in a poorly written way. It could have been wedding arc < artemis arc < how megan and beast boy handle their losses seperately < magic arc < halos identity episode (even though we all could've lived easier knowing the motherbox inside of halo needs her hijab to respect the girls body but also needs to be non-binary because the girls body isn't her own body) > atlantis arc < connor in the phantom zone < and the current new genesis son of zod rockets autism son arc. Its not that hard
@@larniieplayz6285 in the past, they could fit a whole story that nicely concluded in 1 episode like the wally west snow episode, the superboy/megan prison episode and the magical youth/adult seperation episode. The episodes had focus, they knew their audience and they knew how to pace. Now it takes 3-4 episodes plus a lot of jumping back and forth between 3 separate events in order to tell a story. Its like eating a good sandwhich and someone jamming a sandwhich, chocolate pudding, a salad and mac and cheese into your mouth in order to get it out of the way then at the end of eating it all, teasing you with a steak saying "we got more when this seaons meals are over". Its all one big filler season in comparison to the last 3 where it was teen titans being the teens leaving the sidekick theme in order to grow as heroes and fight the battles the bigger heroes can't always deal with. So they lose focus on the objectives and themes of the show because they want to appease both the older fans and fans who want to see new youthful characters causing us to have episodes feeling dreadful to watch like the new genesis arc and the magic arc.
The biggest crime this show did was to add so many characters. The cast should not have expanded beyond the end of season two. Though some additions in season three and four are fine not all r needed
@@FredMaverik But even in individual comics, do so many characters show up in a single story? I doubt so, it dilutes the narrative. Even if you have a focus on multiple characters and their growth, it's usually shown in relation to each other to keep things snappy. Narratives, beyond medium, have a formula.
Something I've been saying for awhile is this show needs to be spin offed into other shows, have Young Justice be focused on the original cast and the characters in their age group like Rocket and etc., make an Outsiders series focused on them and have a Justice League series focused on them and etc and they could even do crossover episodes and specials/movies that wrap everything together.
You see this is a great idea, but, the issue is this would require mass amounts of money that Warner Bros/DC aren't interested in pumping into Young Justice. As much as we love this show, it doesn't perform how investors would want sinking such massive amounts of money into the property, as long as Young Justice can continue to exist and keep a good quality I'll take this 1 show over no show.
It’s a super team of “sidekicks” who are are the youngest heroes. When years pass they out grow and hand the team over the new younger heroes. The show isn’t called the justice league where we have a consistent characters for the whole story. It’s about the growth of the new characters while getting helped by the former heroes. Now I’d love a series with the justice league, but their isn’t one so I’ll watch young justice with a revolving door of characters.
That would kill Outsiders, and they know it would kill Outsiders. There's actually spinoff series they take note of, even in the 70s. Without the original cast, it dies, bad. They need to survive off of Borrowed-Glory of even showing Nightwing's ankle for 20 seconds on screen, before the next 20 minutes go back to the other cast and fans *will* love this.
We have two types of audience for this show 1. Ones who care for the bigger details 2. Ones who like simple storytelling Some people just want to see superheroes on screen and that's what it takes to satisfy them and there are those who want fully fleshed out characters and observable on-screen progress.
thank you my brother yj did a horrid job on dc superheroes like non of them dont fell like the heroes we want them to be thay are just plots and nothing more its to woke sjw crap and they did great damage to so many characters ... thats why im quitting young justice until the darkseid war storyline.
@@Daniel_i-s5b woke sjw crap? i didn’t enjoy the newer seasons but this wasn’t an issue i picked up on.. there was like, less than a handful of instances that COULD give off that vibe. but with the way you’re making a big deal, complaining about it, it almost feels like we watched two completely different shows.
Not quite. What I signed up for when this show first came out was a young superhero team-building show. "Awesome," I thought, "a new version of Teen Titans." This season has literally been everything OTHER than a team-building show, and instead focused on individual characters to give them development, only to never mention them again for the rest of the season, and there was hardly a "team" at all. Plus, I realized how shitty their writers were when they outrage baited us with the death of two legacy characters in the episode right before the finale.
It's interesting to hear you talk about the characters arcs post-mars in a way where you feel theyre disconnected. The artemis arc was a combination of her dealing with the grief from conner and segwaying that into an arc about her needing her sister to be the mother her daughter needs. She literally told her mother that she needed to "get back out there" to deal with her second round of griefing. The zatanna arc felt like it was just there to further expand the lore and prep the viewers for the lords of order stuff in aqualads arc. The aqualad stuff was also incredibly linked to conners death as it was used as his excuse for not dealing with his grief. The zatanna arc is the only one that feels outta place in reference to mars/conner. Like yeah, artemis' arc was pretty weak, but that doesnt mean there was no connection to the mars arc. As someone who quite recently finished binging the entire series, i think everything flowed decently well considering timeskips and new characters. The only season that feels weird is season 4 because they wanted to refocus on the main cast from season 1 which you can tell they did not really plan to be this focused with the pre-existing writing. It feels like the situation of dragon ball with goku and gohan, but to a less degree
I havent watched the last season but who doesnt like seeing all the young heroes of dc fighting alongside each other? Its like when i watched ultimate spiderman and got to see deadpool wolverine and moonknight. Seeing young dc heroes is more rare considering that most of them are sidekicks and a show that puts them all inone spot is pretty cool. What young justice shoild have focused on is connecting this show to the other dc movies
Season 3 and 4 seem disconnected because they changed the course of the series and the team that works on it, it's obvious that with the original plan, the season 3 would be different. I think they're trying to imitate Justice League Unlimited, CN did a great job with both series(Justice League and Young Justice) and the quality difference in writing before and now is obvious.
The problem are the arcs themselves. There shouldn't be an "arc". The characters used to have stories that involved the whole cast in some way. Robin was trying to prove he's a good leader? The whole team Artemis trying to find her sister? The whole team Dude, it's not the same
Honestly, I feel like the season is at its best with the small character moments. Garfield’s therapy, Superman explaining why Connor is gone, Rocket’s moments with her family, et cetera. At the very least, you can tell that they are more comfortable with what is an obviously lower budget for animation, considering the less heavy reliance on action, which I think is a good thing. What always drew me to the show was the characters, so the more focus on them the better, I say.
I have watched Gar’s therapy scene SO much today. The shows going great, and the lantern stuff is a whole mother thing they could dip into at anytime. Not even to mention the Shazam on the loose!
low budget doesn't mean they can't produce quality. this show has been a disappointing end to young justicethat has made many fans wish it finished were it got cancelled
@@SVINTFC season 2 was the best season but seasons 3 and 4 have been pretty good, idk why you think it's disappointing, both s3 and s4 were better than s1 but nobody hates on s1. Why do you find disappointing?
I don't watch superhero cartoons for group therapy. It you are going down that line then why was a child such as beast boy put in harms way?? Isn't that child abuse???
I think the issue is that current young justice is more of a world of DC show rather than a show about a particular team in the DC universe. Thus the fustration. They're trying to build the larger DC universe at the cost of character focus.
The time skip at the beginning of season 2 is one of the biggest mistakes the showrunners made. Went against it's own premise of following young superheroes grow into their own. A big part of that is watching the growth and development, not just referencing it as if we saw it.
Also the never resolving plot points like dealing with the light or saving the future or the real real reason Bart came back in time. Or adding more characters we don't know. Introducing more possible plots and stories that won't go any where like Jason Todd, Damian, Or Terra.
@@KamiAnimeS1 agreed one piece is the best anime than Young Justice I love Anime and dc but I rather anime its better funny sometimes filler but still anime is on point one piece beat Dc and marvel
I like it. It’s building up to something BIG with small stories. Would I have liked them to focus on Robin/Nightwing, Conner, etc before the time skip and new ppl came on, yea but I’m still interesting in this. I feel like the ppl that hate it want action whenever it’s one bc Marvel brainwashed us. I like both DC & Marvel but rs.
The only build up is the phantom zone, the martian/son of zod team up and the darkseid arc. The phantom zone being full of kryptonians (which for some reason made Zod black but race changing is fine). The darkseid situation feels off because it became such a huge plot point for a couple of seasons then just left. Unlike in the dcau movies whete they kept showing hints of darkseids army every so often or any form of buildup. Every story, every event mattered. The odd team-up feels so out of left field and with how the writing works, I can't tell what will be a story for the current arc or just a looming story for later. Which is way worse. That's horrible writing. Either make a focus on one event or loom it with multiple events and its not fun. What am i supposed to be hyped for when we have 10 different stories happening in 18 episodes. Even amateur writers know that its best to not rush so much into one bottle. DC/WB would be smarter to use these stories overtime. Make the big arc darkseid, yes. But make you can still use 1 event for 1 story. The first season works because we know the cast, we are slowly introduced to rocket, zatanna and artemis. Nothing just pops up. Overtime you get hints of the main plot and bam you get the main story. Season 2 works because of them using the same formula as last season while the downsides a lot of people had were the things they decided not to do, rush the story, rush the romance, throw in so much that we lose focus, and season 3 decided to go down a worse route until we get to season 4 which feels like a giant filler season.
I don't think every one want's action, mostly what I've seeing is that people want consistency and that's what's killing this show. Season 1 was very consistent with its plot about forming the team, getting to know the team, and seeing what makes them thick under pressure and how they can prevail. The more the season goes on, the more it becomes... A mess, its not that what they're doing isn't good; scenes with beat boy depression or how Rocket is handling her child who has autism are really good that shows what has happen to there life compare to earlier seasons. But the way they are handling is again, a mess. There bouncing about in each episode and not sticking with a single focus for that one episode. All the power to you for enjoying it, but I don't think people crave for the action. People like me crave for the season 1 Young justice in terms of writing.
@@redomnitrix6834 and little green men that *aren’t* from Mars-sorry M’arzz trying to brainwash the human populace into slavery using a drugged alien energy drink 😂😂😂
Let’s be honest them killing Wally was the biggest mistake they ever made. His death in my opinion shook the show to it’s core that I don’t think the writer’s expected, and as a result every season after 2 has struggled to recapture the magic of the show we wanted revived
I refuse to believe that wally is dead. Deep in my soul I know that he's caught up somewhere in the speedforce and eventually will pop out as the fastest flash like he is supposed to be
Im one of the only people i know that really doesnt care at all that wally is dead which im sure is a sin but its true. Everyone wants him to come back and for him to be in the speedforce still alive n kickin. But i could not care less unfortunately and i feel like his death was some semi necessary character development
@@jackwhite1341 honestly I think they’re planning on bringing him back since the last episode of the new season alluded to doing some type of heroes in crisis arc where Wally plays a huge role
Imagine getting one of the best shows ever in your favorite genre and hearing people go "this is too mature and takes focus to understand the plot, can't we dumb this down? Why are these kids growing up and becoming more complex rounded characters why aren't they staying the same forever?" A core theme of the show has always been growth and change if you don't realize that maybe you missed the point of the show.
exactly 💯 💯 it's SUPPOSED to be "mature", these kids ain't gon be kids forever. That's not how that works. And without good writing, a complex yet well rounded story arc and character development, there's no point in making ANY type of show or movie 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I agree that the show hasn’t been the same. They never should’ve did a time jump between season 1 & 2 but the one between 3 to 4, and now this jumbled mixture of new characters and old is really packed and overwhelming. The issue is they aren’t doing a good job of pushing all the separate stories towards a common problem, side adventures and issues are necessary but everything should be pushing towards an end result.
Exactly! They never resolve plot points like dealing with the light or saving the future or the real real reason Bart came back in time. Or adding more characters we don't know. Introducing more possible plots and stories that won't go any where like Jason Todd, Damian, Or Terra. They just add more and they never connect.
I love this show. It has grown and progressed in so many ways. I love the time skip because it ages the characters and shows how they have changed and grown. You see the progression. The new cast helps flesh out the old cast by showing how they have grown and changed
No, you do not see the progression. The show skips ahead and now shit is different. The new cast barely links with the new cast. This is straight up false.
@@ginge641 yes you do see the progression. Superboy from season 1 to 2 are completely different. Ms M is very different from season 1 to 4 she's now a counselor. There are plenty of examples. Season 3 you see a lot of the old cast with the new and see how they've grown. So my statement is true
How do you not see the story threads of all these stories and how these things are happening and overlapping each other? This is such a beautifully built show and story.
Agreed. Season 4 is PURE GARBAGE. They've made beloved characters horribly oc, robbed us of fandom favorites, AND THERES TOO MANY DAMN STORIES IN ONE SEASON!!!! Sorry but people have always loved Wally better than Conner anyway. Getting rid of him was a BIG. FAT. MISTAKE.
I agree that seasons 3 and 4 are less contained than the first two seasons, however that doesn't make it a bad thing because that is kind of the point (multiple arcs are going to have multiple layers each and even more so if you're trying to connect them all under one great arc that may not be visible until the end). But I do think that this show may have spread itself too thin with all the content/story/lore they're trying to use/create. Plus, I want more Nightwing (but am always excited when he shows up for a few seconds with or without saying anything). However, I cannot say I have hated any of the main character's arcs thus far because of a few reasons. Each episode provides information about something in the background and something about the main character during their arc. Each episode leaves me on the edge of my seat wondering where things are going and what will happen next. Each episode inspires something in me. And each episode is well written/voiced, animated, and entertaining. I'm certain I'm going to receive hate for what is written next. I actually like the arcs are focusing on the characters while giving us small snippets into other characters. As someone who likes main AND side characters, I find it enjoyable that we're able to see any side characters show up in a main character's arc. Do I want to see more of the side characters (such as Beast Boy, and the Legionaries)? Absolutely, but not at the detriment to the main character's arc (and not to the point where an episode [arc related or not] is mainly about the side characters. I feel this way because I've seen a few times where shows try to give fans what they thought they wanted only for everyone to find out it was the wrong call. And I fear that if they try and give the side characters more uninterrupted screen-time, their story will fall. Coming from an author's point of view, writing a story about something very real can be exceptionally hard (with or without experience) especially when you are either trying to make it longer or shorter to fit a specific length. So, while I understand being upset and wanting more development on matters that were brought up early-ish in Phantoms, I think that people shouldn't give up on this show until the season finale. But that's just my opinion.
the one think i respect is how they manage to be so fucking confusing but yet everything makes sense and comes full circle, the ending of this season (i wont spoil it just in case) gave off insanely bittersweet vibes, they really didnt feel like they won at all but yet they won the fight, its alot more mature now in that sense, they may have beaten the bad guys as of right now but they all in all achieved next to nothing
My counter argument to what you’re saying about not knowing what story they’re trying to tell overall is that there is no overall story. Each and every character is getting their own stories so you need to look at it like that. Within each and everyone of the characters arcs, they have their own overarching things plots, and casts. Because young justice has always been known for having so many characters, they are taking advantage of that and using it as a method of being able to tell multiple stories within a space of a season. This show has a lot of diversity and it’s cast, characters from pretty much all walks of life, and you really get to see that through the stories told. The reason you shouldn’t really compare it to the first two seasons is because the first two seasons with establishing the main team, and having them go on adventures together while also developing them into adults. When you get around to seasons three and four and you see them as adults but they’re not the main focus anymore because we have tons of new characters that deserve to be explored. But even so that. Writers and creators of the show were still adamant about letting us see our OGs. So we get to see our OGs in action doing their own adventures while being affected by the things going on around them. I say that the reason you are getting confused and just can’t keep up anymore is because you’re focusing on the bigger picture of the entire season when you should be focusing on each individual picture as each and every part of the season is broken up in order to give all the characters they want to give, deserved spotlight and development. One thing that I really love about this show is that we’re continuing to be able to see characters that never really got much attention in the prior seasons, such as rocket as you mentioned in the video. I also say that these characters aren’t going to act like they did in seasons one and two they’re grown men and women now some even having families. Things can’t stay the same forever we all know that. And I appreciate that they show tackles that by showing us how they’ve matured, developed and then on top of that continuing to put them through trials and tribulations to further their development. I think it’s a very well written show and I think that overall they just want to tell good stories with their characters and they will end it on a good note when they feel they have told all the stories they wanted to tell. If you want some thing for an over arcing issue, you could pretty much just throw the light and their shenanigans. Even though we’re not seeing much of it, we know it’s there and we know that they’re going to find a way to tie the light into each and every character in someway in the background, for the finale or maybe even 4 1/5 season if it goes that far. But that’s just my personal opinion. I’m a big young justice fan and even though the change from half point to now was jarring at first upon some deeper reflection and re-watching a few episodes I put it together myself and was pretty much good to go. Love the video keep up the good work🖤🖤
They need to tell these characters' stories in different episodes, not cram them all into one episode and switch between them every 5 minutes. You end up only getting crumbs of each story, having to wait until next week just to get more crumbs. It's disorienting and exhausting. The original Justice League cartoons handled character arcs much better than this.
@@danielwilson7193 As far as I’ve seen because I haven’t seen past the season break that they were just on, they haven’t really been jumping between characters every five minutes... Each Part of the season has a main over arcing plot, and the characters to follow
@@jacobcobb4970 Oh, yes they have. This last episode of Phantoms kept switching between three different groups of characters. I'm not going to list them if you haven't already seen it. Just know that because of that, each individual story progressed at a snail's pace as a result. And the episodes before that? Hoo... don't even get me started.
I feel like the show having no story is a problem (for me at least). I have the same issue with The Bad Batch. To me it feels like I'm not really getting anything out of the series because nothing is happening. And thanks, I appreciate your comment at the end!
@@DCNetwork it sounds to me like you’re just not really into shows that have more of an anthological approach...xD when it comes to the bad batch I really enjoyed that show too. It was a show about family and about the group learning to function in the absence of one of their members i.e. crosshair. While also learning to really be parental figures, as they were pretty much raising Omega. But in that main broad theme allows for a lot of different adventures to take place they have their own little themes. however even with that another overall plot point that was pretty much very heavily focused on was the fact that crosshair was now working for the other side and that he was pretty much 100% after them, at first with the aim to kill but then eventually with the aim to get them to join his side because he came back to his senses, and between the two shows I felt that bad batch was way easier to follow but that’s just me.
I respectfully disagree, I like the multi layered storytelling and admit the first two seasons were near perfection, but I'm glad that the later seasons are continuing to build off what the first seasons created. It doesn't talk down to you and has the characters tackle more "normal" and adult situations such as depression, heart break, parenthood, and the day to day. The show is feeling a bit sidetracked this season however, I'll hold off the final judgement until the end since I'm liking some of the build ups (Savage being cornered and Zod).
@@lastetaslocas69 With major differences in the show I don't get why you mention comics and it would've shown the consequences for her actions affecting her child's life and her continued denial
Young Justice never intended to be a show where time doesn't pass, but where the characters grow and evolve along with their universe. Earth-16 is an earth with dynamic time, or did you want another show where the characters never change?
Time can pass but time shouldn't fast forward. Look at teen titans as an easy example. Time passed and the characters grew. You can show growth and introduce new characters overtime like most live actions do like game of thrones and the walking dead. Not everything needs a timeskip where we can play "guess what happened in between to get us to this point". We could get 1 or 2 episodes of introducing characters, it would be easy money for WB/DC. You want a show that lasts a long time and gets people invested and can have people return and go with the show like One Piece or Naruto. Instead we get a season where new characters are thrown in and the original cast are young adults by season 2/3. Wouldn't it be cooler to show when superboy was being distant, when megan got comforted by lagoon boy, when beast boy learned to be a hero overtime and lost his mother, when he worked with doom patrol and so much more. Instead we are just told all of this and unless you've read the dc history of comics from over 4 decades of most of these characters, you will be turning off your brain and going with it. We already get story arcs for single characters, either pull the full trigger so we know what we got into or don't use the gun at all. Every season could have even been a new cast but they tried to play it safe with season 2 and now we have people upset that our main cast isn't there. The issue isn't that we stopped using the main 6, its that you made the show to focus on them then decided to focus on Halo in season 3 making her plot points that she needs to wear her Hijab to respect the girl who had the body but she also must be non-binary even though that's physically the body of the girl. They figured out a way to make that a plot point. There's just so much wrong with the show that it would take a 1 hour youtube video to dissect every issue of each season and where it could've gone better
Yeah I have a love hate relationship with this show. I've been watching it since it first came out when i was like 9. I'm 21 now and I can still say without a doubt it's been going downhill. I miss when there was a core cast of characters instead of the 30+ heroes there are now that i'm not even attached to. And I also am not a fan of how political the show is now. It just feels like they are selling out to appease/attract a crowd that most likely doesn't give a shit about the show. The episode Nautical Twilight is a great example of this. Like they focused way too much time on Halo talking about being a nonbinary muslim instead of creating you know, actual relevant plot for the story? I've wanted to drop this show so many times but false hope keeps bringing me back.
It's trying to be something that it's not. They're trying to be a Justice League show or something like that. You barely even focus on the kids anymore.
I can I agree with this. My problem is the facts that with season 3 I found myself not caring. Seasons 1&2 were great because the writing was tighter and there was a common enemy.
One of Young Justice Phantoms' biggest problems is how it uses massive exposition dumps to tell its story. It tries to do it subtlety (sometimes) by using it in conversations but executes it awfully. For example, during the Aqualad Arc they bring up the "one true king prophecy" and Aquaman/Arthur begins to go on a long-winded wiki explanation of what it is. And while exposition is for the audience to understand important tidbits that would otherwise be unknown, its delivery is unnaturally unnecessary because Aquaman is dumping this lengthy explanation to other Atlanteans who already know what the hell the prophecy is.
yeah true, thats the problem with the release too. An arc drop for would have helped smooth over that whole info dump. The shows better as a binge. and it gets better after that.
A lot changed in society between seasons 2 & 3. Sadly, the writers lost focus and decided to bring sex and gender identity ideologies into the show as well as other far left nonsense, instead of being moderate and sensible like the previous seasons and Justice League/JLU who did an excellent job with episodes like Hawk & Dove who are dressed in red & blue. Seems different watching it so many years later. The show doesn't benefit depicting Lagoon Boy with a wife, husband and a child in a polyamorous relationship. Violet is apparently a non-binary Muslim (forbidden in Islam) and Kaldur is now gay after being ins relationship with Aquagirl. Doesn't seem believable but it has also shifted the narrative away from interesting plots and character development. Nobody cares about Wonder Woman's boyfriend, Green Arrow's love life, the Hawk's (Shayera & Katar) marriage. We just want good storytelling and action!
This show has been built on multiple storylines converging since season one. The cast of characters has expanded quite a lot (The DC universe is huge after all) but all the character arcs build on each other and merge by the end of each season which has been done well imo. You shouldn’t criticize the show if you can’t follow along with the story and connect the dots that are there
It has NOT been done well. Instead of pacing these different story arcs by giving them their own episodes, they're all crammed into one episode and only get a few minutes apiece. That's completely disorienting. Whether we can follow along or not isn't the issue. They barely give us anything to follow to begin with. We just get crumbs of each story and have to wait another week to get--big surprise--more crumbs.
@@danielwilson7193 seems like your problem is with the weekly episode release… if that’s the case just wait to watch it all together. My point is that all the ‘crumbs’ add up to multiple storylines weaving together in the end which the show has done great since season 1 imo.
@@keonhazel2799 It's not with the weekly release. It's the fact that they cram too many stories into said weekly release so the story moves at a snail's pace. That worked in Season 1 when they were still working with a relatively small cast, but that's definitely not the case now.
This season is basically just darkseid and vandal savage AGAIN. Their conflict is arguably the only thing holding the season together and connection point. The original team are suppose to be getting their own arcs but it feels like their all background characters
The weird thing is, having a HUGE cast isn't even a bad thing - as proven by the 2000s Justice League Unlimited series. However they KNEW you weren't familiar with most of the characters and did the legwork to quickly introduce you to who they are, what they do, etc, while also often anchoring episodes with at least one known character. They don't do that with Young Justice, and the writing feels... robotic as hell. Unfortunately, the art style makes them look copy pasted and not very unique to each other, their personalities are unknown, a lot of their background isn't explained clearly enough. After the second time skip watching this series became a chore.
casuals pls.. best dc writing since batman tas and you call it robotic? Lmao. JL didn't even spend 1/100th of development time on characters as YJ does, that's nostalgia bias. You just aren't familiar with the characters because you are casual that never watched other DC shows or read comics.
I totally agree with you. The deaths, unnecessary drama, time skips, and how everyone is portrayed differently than their source material. Things would be totally different if I were to make my own Teen Titans show.
@@edmilmaldonado5756 It's also not based on Teen Titans. Either the old cartoon or the original comic book. Although it's not that closely based on the Young Justice comic series either, but Tenn Titans cartoon wasn't very close to the Teen Titans comic either. The animated shows have always told their own stories or told old stories in new ways.
This show doesn't feel like a genuine continuation of the show. It's the same feeling i get with something like Toy Story 4 or Incredibles 2. Feels removed from the orignal, and very "current year". Does not feel like what they would have done had the show kept going, instead of getting cancelled.
I agree that the first two season were fabulous. They were why I wanted the show back in the first place. Granted the time skip in Season 2 annoyed me, but otherwise no real complaints. In seasons 3 and 4 however, it really does feel like its all over the board. Season 3 was a little more comprehensible. You could see where things were going and the plot was decent. The execution could've been so much better and the time skip was unnecessary, but they weren't the worst parts of the show. Season 4 I just really don't like. Sure we have a nice focus on the characters, but that's the problem. The story is no longer driven by the plot with characters there to move the plot along, instead the story is driven by character development with the plot essentially being a footnote. A plot is one subject, such as the Light being the main threat or Savage's big plan. Heck the aliens were a single plot. Now however we have a plot for every character and it dilutes the story, so much so that there is really no plot left. Now you could try to argue that the main plot is the death of Superboy, but if that's the case then why did we have the Atlantis arc? If you argue that Savage's plot is the main plot, okay but why don't we see more of the inner machinations? I love the characters, really I do. However when you base the season on character development rather than a central plot, you aren't creating a quality show. Characters are there to tell a story, not reflect their inner struggles. Their inner struggles can be used to further the plot, but the show is "Young Justice" not "Aqualad's Life", "Beast Boy's Depression", or "The Death of Superboy". The show is focused on a team working together, not individuals of a team and what they do outside of the team.
I'd say this probably represents some kind of internal philosophy switch, from something male-minded yo something much more female-minded. In a lot of feminist circles, the type of show that YJ was originally is often decried. On the other hand, healing the internal wounds of the hero's untold trauma from their adventures (especially if they're male) is an appaluded thing. Or either reducing them to shame like Luke Skywalker.
@@marlom7882 In feminist theory it would be. It would fall under this theme of deconstruction. I forget her name, but there's this feminist novelist who is an early example of what I'm trying to describe. She did it to her own character at one point. I know she won an award a few years back, but I can't remember her name. If I can, I'll post it her in another reply. It should set you on the track to discovering more about this stuff. (When you start discovering stuff like the Monstrous Feminine you might start getting the creepies. It's all extremely pagan but you don't really sense the nature of it until you go that far into it.)
@@blanktrigger8863 lol why would feminists watch young justice. would they get outraged over the entire dc animated universe? thats stupid. There's multiple ways to tell stories. There's books hundreds of years old about hero's trauma and such and such. all you got to say is you don't like the seasons cause of ... this .... this ... that.. there's no connection with feminism.
Season 4 has been a shit show, after the mars arc, everything else became one giant mess,they started playing with this format I'm season 3 but somehow made it worse in season 4. The payoffs like Mary joining the furies would have been worth it if young justice isn't already known for teasing and then tossing storylines (eg Jason Told, Big Barda, Damian Wayne even DarkSeid in season 3) glad I hopped off this season 4 train early enough, sad to see that it didn't get better
I’m just waiting for them to bring back Wally West and even Superboy now because good lord those two are one of the best characters and they just took them away for no reason. Especially Wally since there was no reason for him to ‘die’
@@DCNetwork I really hope that’s the case, because what I know from the comics and correct me if I’m wrong. Wally was stuck in the speed force or ‘dead’ and he came back even faster than he was before.
@@brooklynnbien-aime3859 I’m pretty sure Wally will stay dead. I remember hearing that the Speed Force doesn’t exist in the Young Justice universe, and I really think it’ll be too much drama to be able to focus on. Season 3 had too many scenes giving him a farewell, I don’t think they would just bring him back. Connor has had some discussion of his death, but they were setting up his survival by the simple inclusion of the Legion at the same time.
so you want basics stories vs them doing game of thrones style stories that challenge you as a viewer. Wow....If you missed the point of each season that's pretty sad! Just means the level of writing is beyond you. This is some of greatest writing I've ever seen for a cartoon Even the stories and themes I'm not a fan of are written well.
@@kp1x there's was another person that didn't like the show reviewed every season. Why I didn't agree I respect his stance he understood it atleast I mean the title of each season let's you know what the season is about. Outsiders - outcast from society for whatever reason political economic sexual your Powers race etc Phantoms - Ghost literal ghost from your past people working in the shadows ... The Phantom Zone. But his one complaint that matched this guy's was the jumping around. To many characters. The reason Arrow and The Flash did well first couple seasons is because it wasn't Batman or Superman for the thousand time. DC has other Hero's ... I'm a Marvel guy and I can 💯 say Marvel's animated sucks. DC animated is everything the live action DC films should be. My favorite DC character is Constantine and it's because of the animated movies. He's such a horrible person and isn't ashamed of it. It's brilliant even when he does the right thing it's an alternative motive. Or a catch to it. Nothing Marvel has written except maybe Wanda Vision comes close to that kind of writing you see on this show.
The team is the main draw of the first two seasons. But I still like it. I'll see this though to the end. Something has to tie all of these storylines together.
I liked the last few episodes with the new gods and how it confirmed that Green Lantern the animated series (should also continue) is canon to Young Justice. But yeah I’m kinda getting tired of all this switching off stuff and not having a clear direction as to what is this series endgame? They’ve been building up Darkseid and Vandal Savage for the whole series now and I think it’s time for writers to quit stalling and wrap this bad boy up. I’m willing to give them one more season after this to see if they acutely end it. But if it’s just another season of filler and no clear endgame direction then I’m done with it for good. The show is over a decade old now at this point.
That's exactly what it's leading up to the galactic war against Darkseid and season 3 Metron tells Halo and Cyborg they have a important part to play in the up coming war
I disagree with this video. Young Justice is an incredibly character driven show with a massive ensemble. This new storytelling style is allowing us to flesh out more characters and move the major plots forward.
They’re approaching Zod and the Kandorians realistically. It always bothered me how Superman 2 and (as much as I love Man of Steel) Man of Steel approached them as if they’re a threat Superman could take on by himself. Mixing the comics and Smallville show approach. Exactly how I’d make it in my DC films if I had the opportunity to make them. Make Superman’s early villains, Parasite, Toyman, Lex, Bizarro, and Brainiac. Then Zod and his Kandorians and Phantom Zone criminals are more for the 3rd Superman films as, I’m sorry my big issues with Man of Steel, the Krytonians would have had years to plan their revenge. Also, if you were a super being, and you knew simply going to another planet would give you invulnerability, you would have previously visited that planet hundreds of times, or at least trained under those conditions? They’re military types, they’d instantly go to a yellow sun and instantly recon gather and instantly go after the heroes once learning their weaknesses. ALWAYS was the flaw of early DC, Zod and his Kandorians are not a single Superman threat, they’re a Justice League level threat. They’re a bunch of trained, evil, idealistic versions of Superman. Superman wouldn’t be able to just defeat Zod quickly, it would be a struggle, yes Superman has the advantage of being there multiple years before the other Kryptonians, but Zod would have the advantage of hiding in space and absorbing yellow sun radiation. I didn’t like how Foara just absorbed the Eye’s power like that. That shit was just thrown in, a million other ways Zod could have escaped and it would have made more sense than the story presented, my only aspect I dislike.
Maybe it's because I'm perpetually confused, so the many moving pieces all made sense to me in telling the overarching story. There were connections in each arc that tied it to one or more arcs that came before it. EX: Superboy dies in the 1st arc, but then you see the initial repercussions of it in Artemis's arc (the idea of grief) & then Zatanna's arc was meant to be the clue in to the dimension that SB is stuck in. Soooo much of it felt connected in my personal opinion, but I get how it can be confusing. The writing structure mirrors some other heady HBO shows like WestWorld
I feel like the first season of Young Justice was the best season. Season 2 was here and there. Season 3 was OK to say the least. Season 4 is a mess! I don't know which story arc to follow! The reason I watch is for Nightwing/Dick Grayson and I like BB's story. I'm gonna finish the season for his arc. But this show has really lost its touch. If they had added more Nightwing to S4 (like they had in prior seasons) I would enjoy it more.
I also like Beast Boy's story and enjoy the Super Boy/future heroes stuff. It's just that those plot points are in the back burner while they tell these other random arcs. Plus, the stories that they are telling in these arcs just aren't interesting in my opinion.
@@DCNetwork Obviously Superboy/Legion/BB is the climax of the season. We never get main plot in full gear before the last handful of episodes. It sounds to me you quit on Ep 18. Ep 18 and 19 just dumped the whole Superboy/future story and it’s accelerating now.
This show has been going downhill for some time now. I find myself wondering if it is the same show I used to watch in seasons 1 and 2. Without mentioning specifics, certain things should be left for shows like Euphoria to address. If I wanted to watch struggles with identity, trauma, drugs, self-harm, family, friendships, love, and sex, Young Justice is not where I would go. If this was the expected trend it should have started from the beginning so that some of us switch to something else. Otherwise, someone of us are still watching the show fueled by the nostalgia of the amazing early seasons.
I wouldn’t mind if the show addressed at least one of those themes that you mentioned. I would’ve loved to see these characters struggle with their own grief and mental health after every traumatic experience they’ve went through. It would’ve been more emotionally strong than a 30-second scene of one supporting character from Season 3 coming out as non-binary.
Yup. The first two seasons were strong. The action was solid. Now it seems as if the show is more concerned with talking about the characters' feelings. I couldn't care less about all of that. I wanted an action-packed superhero show. If i wanted drama I'd watch some show that does it better. How are the others taking Conner's death? We need time to reflect on their feelings. But wait, of course the writers could never kill off Conner! So, he's alive in the Phantom Zone! Oh noes, Beast Boy has trauma. Only Conner isn't dead so why bother? It's just a matter of time before they bring Wally back. Kal'dur has NO chemistry with Wynne. They just made him gay to fill out a quota. Why waste time like that? So far, the Light really hasn't done anything interesting. It's clear the writers lost their way. It wouldn't be the first show that failed, because the writers forgot about what made the shows good, after coming back from a long hiatus.
I'm more upset that they keep using time skips honestly. The plot i can follow, but since i don't really read the comics, i would actually like to see the changes in the characters lives on screen.
I completely agree with you man (among other things I don’t like that they added in the show) Young Justice will never be like season 1 and 2 again and I’m done watching it not interested but I also wonder had the show been revived but only shown on Cartoon Network would we have had a different story because although they were constricted in some way when it came to telling there stories on Cartoon Network as well as the age rating for the show the presentation of season 1 and 2 were phenomenal and them having to much freedom on what they can write about with hbo Max is another factor that led to there downfall
Yeah when you’re constricted as a writer you come up with extremely creative things. But, when those constrictions loosen you start to not take as many chances. Which could be a good or a bad thing
100% agree. He's like a completely different character now. A lot of the characters just aren't the same anymore. For example, Nightwing is barely in the show anymore and he is by far one of the cooler characters in the series.
I think a lot of the plot is always kind of ambiguous in every season of the show, you don’t really know what’s coming at the end until it gets there, but once you do it all kinda makes sense. I personally enjoy the time skips because it shows how the characters change with time. I also like what they’re doing in this season with several separate arcs that are sort of all coming together in the end now, because realistically the core team isn’t always going to be altogether like they were when they were kids. I also like that it focusses on their personal lives more, as this was always sort of lacking in the first 2 seasons. I wasn’t the biggest fan of season 3 when I first watched it because it was indeed different in tone from the first two but now I really enjoy rewatching it and I love how they explore all these new characters
This review is just full of bad takes I’m convinced you either didn’t really watch or just haven’t paid attention to anything… saying the light hasn’t been the villains in season 4? Vandals coming war with Darkseid had been hinted throughout the episodes, they’ve even given more backstory to his character and his connection with pretty much all major parts of the earth and the season isn’t even over yet… seems you just aren’t getting those points it’s probably best that you’re ‘done’ with the show
This comment is just full of bad takes. I’m convinced you either didn’t really watch it or haven’t paid attention to anything the general consensus is that Young Justice Season 1 & 2 are great and Season 3 and 4 our bad and the show has lost the core fan base.
@@honor2323 general consensus or not my point still stands criticizing the show for your own inability to follow the story is dumb. Also season 4 isn’t even complete yet so how does it make sense to rank it with the others now.
I mean a big things your missing is how the arks of each character are connected. Setting up pieces to a puzzle in a story that we don't have all the pieces to. I don't like stories you can guess how they will end
The pieces are being set up in a sporadic fashion, though. Like the person putting the puzzle together can't seem focus on one section at a time. It's tedious to follow.
@@danielwilson7193 Tedious is a perfect description for season 4. It has its moments, but overall it's tied up by far too many secondary characters I just don't care about. I'm not saying that it had to stick with only the team from season 1, I could even handle most of the season 3 additions. But 4 has just way too many characters, who get far too little screen time to get involved with. It just feels like they are going through the DC Encyclopedia and picking as many characters as possible.
@@ahuehuete4703 Right? Like... the last episode brought in Razer. Nice nostalgia vibe, but what actual purpose did he serve there? Nothing. He just wasted our goddamn time.
@@danielwilson7193 his role in the narrative was to be another example of how Rocket has to realize that someone isn't just black or white and there are many complexities to a person which further feeds into how Orion and his issues represents her autistic son and how she deals with it.
in my opinion, the quality dipped in season 2. the rotating cast isn’t great nor are these time skips. its hard to have connections to anything in the show since developments are made off screen and we don’t have a consistent cast
As much as I'd love to see more story arcs like time travel (Batman Beyond or the Justice League Beyond) or multiverse (Justice Lords) I think the show needs to end, and if I remember correctly I think season 3 (at least the ending) was to set up Darkseid as the main villain of season 4, but that went nowhere.
The overarching story currently developing from what I can ascertain is the game of chess Vandal Savage and Darkseid have been playing. We see the effects of their influence in every arc, every time something happens this season its either because of them or in response to them. This season is showing us how our favorite characters are dealing with this as their lives hang in the balance with some looming threat they aren't fully aware of. Albeit it's a much slower burn than the light in prior seasons its definitely still there. And in a way I'm glad a huge threat like Darkseid is being pushed to the back burner for a bit. It gives us the chance to A. Develop our favorite characters in their own stories while B. Still setting up the impending threat and showcasing the vast amount of power and influence both sides have. Neither Savage or Darkstar are to be taken lightly and as we inch closer to their duel we see how our heroes are being manipulated into this little game.
Like what pisses me off when people use time jumps. In the fucking first season to like what. That was one thing I did not like with season two. was it five years or four Time jump. I can’t remember but that was too insane for me. And we didn’t get more storylines with them as a team for at least three seasons or two.
I actually loved this new season. I feel like it focuses more in the characters life and their psychology instead of just action and that is very unique to me. I also love all the representation with lgbt+ characters, various religions, and even Atlantis and it’s political issues. I love this show, and although I didn’t love season 3, I am really enjoying season 4.
I thought they actually built up something really interesting in season 3 with vandal savage’s backstory, the real reason for the Light’s existence, and the coming war with Apocalypse. From what i’ve heard they havent really done anything with that in season 4, which is a damn shame considering that’s where YJ can should naturally progress plot-wise. If they could just do one more season focusing on that, i feel they could wrap up YJ in a meaningful way.
I thought this season was brilliant. breaking it off into different arcs while still staying totally connected and all come back together in the end was handled extremely well in the writing department in my opinion. I think its much better than season 3, but I still liked 3.
I watched Young Justice until the end of season 2. I moved out of my parents and couldn't afford TV nor streaming. Over the years I saw YJ memes and wondered "how are they keeping up with all these characters?" Question answered.
One of my biggest gripes is that there haven’t been many actual fight scenes in seasons 3 and 4 and the few we do get haven’t been as good as the first two seasons’.
Show lost its point and went woke. The entire premise of the show was "watch these young heroes do super adventures", so when they grow up you kind of gave up on your hook. Sure you can add in new characters, but will they be characters people want to see? A junior Wonder Woman girl is cool, Cyborg is cool, they have legacy people love, but nobody's going to get excited about D-list characters like Forager or Halo. Beyond young super heroes going on adventures, what is the point? A show is only as good as the villain, and these villains don't do anything. What are the villains planning? Even the writers don't know, the writers just have the villains make secret plans in their evil lair and that's it. And when some villains get caught in season 2, it doesn't matter as the remaining just add more members or team up with Darkseid to make more secret plans that never go anywhere. It's all build up, but no climax. There's also no point. A good villain should have qualities that highlight the differences in the hero's views or actions. I was surprised by Peacemaker tv series, and as dumb of a character as he is you can agree with him that you should love peace & try to pursue it, but he goes against an enemy that mind controls people to enforce peace & create utopia, but they take away a person's free will. They both have the same motive, to ensure peace, and Peacemaker has to decide to destroy this enemy or save them. That's the kind of point to having a villain in your story, asking "why" or "what changed"? Instead Young Justice only had essentially shallow "villain of the week" type villains with no further thought to beyond "what could Savage & Darkseid be planning???" Legacy heroes, the mentors & big guns, rarely were worth the wait. It should be a special treat in the episode when you get to see Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman come on screen and kick some ass. They should be a head and shoulders above the junior heroes...but they never are. The second season blue balled the audience by just having most of the legacy characters stand around at a trial, the last thing anybody wants to see. Later, in both power level & authority, the junior heroes become equals to the big heroes. Aqualad becomes one of the leaders of the Justice League instead of Superman or Batman, and it lowers the authority level of the others more than it raises Aqualad's authority. And when you see the junior warriors just as strong as the senior ones, that's just stupid. Nightwing should never beat Batman, Aqualad should never beat Aquaman, but yeah we've got scenes where it feels like they're on the same level. Lastly the show went woke. Lex Luthor became Trump. Straight characters turn gay for no reason or end up in a polygamous relationship. Season's 4 first arc is essentially "Race war"! Every time something gets woke its usually a bad sign, as a political agenda seems to take front seat instead of quality.
I just watched the season finale, and if you haven't continued I think you'll regret it. If you're used to reading comic books, you should be able to handle multiple story lines that come together. For me, this ending is very satisfying in tying together the separate character arcs (including the light's behind-the-scenes involvement) and teases some exciting things to come!
Honestly, i don’t understand the whole plot, it’s like it’s a miniseries inside a serie, besides, WHY DARKSEID HAS TO APPEAR IN EVERY SEASON? There’s more villains 😭✋🏻
It's like we are watching a different show. This show is great. So much depth and story telling. I think it's just that it's telling stories people don't care about.
I always thought it was stupid that you had to play the actual young justice game in order to know what happened between season 1-2..... definitely not a fan of the time jumps!
I agree, not only have they expanded the cast entirely too fast, but the plot is constantly being changed. Just when you think you finally understood what's going on, the problem is either a.) solved too quickly b.)made way more complicated than it needs to be or c.) just straight up forgotten. The writing is all over the place and the timeslips don't help AT ALL. Its not impossible to follow along but they've made it to the point where I don't want to anymore. In other words it started off as a jigsaw puzzle that manifested into a rubix cube somehow
Yeah I haven’t enjoyed the show since season two it’s just been I mean it with a term of endearment ass to me I don’t like it but hey hopefully we can change it but haven’t watched it since outsiders don’t so I’m not really interested to jump back in
Phantoms helped Young Justice become the best DC animated show. So sorry you're done with it due its main and best aspects but many of us aren't so... good luck finding the right show for you :D
No matter what , it is still one of the best DC shows ever , i only have one problem that is the episodes are too short / waste of story ( They crammed precious quality story into 20 minutes like why waste such good resource )
In my honest opinion... the show is amazingly good. The writers and actors don't have the restrictions that a TV channel has. Yes they still have to follow the network, but we are seeing exactly what the writers and artists, and producers all want us to see. Each episode feels like it's own comic. That's how I'm seeing it. And I enjoy that they are acknowledging the fact we haven't actually been caught up to speed with the original characters. And SB "dying" is a very good plot point. It reopens wounds with Wally, and allows for more experience and chara ter build. Yeah maybe the arcs had some oddities about how they tie into eachother. But it's just telling us "hey we start with Miss Martian and Super Boy on Mars getting married. This is what happens. Now, this... this right now these next stories are what happened in those 5 months they were on Mars. And leading up to how they find out Suoer Boy is dead." It makes good sense. And yeah they background story is a bit off putting but Vandal is ALWAYS plotting. And Darkseid is ALWAYS there too. Like the New God's and heroic city, we now get to see more of that side rather than apokolyps, so they're world building what we have seen but know anything for this universe.
i like Young Justice. Gave some history of some different characters and events. I wish they not have been scrambling story lines as this guy describes. I will continue to watch and hopefully more seasons, with stable story lines.
Not all arcs in this show are created equal I agree. Zatanna and Aquaboy’s arcs were the least interesting. But I was pleasantly surprised by the Green Lantern TAS continuation and return to Superboy in the Phantom Zone. I really hope they don’t suddenly jump to some other bullshit character arc like Halo.
They just need to focus back on the OG team and remember 'quality over quantity' for characters and storylines. I'm hopeful though, they can easily improve.
Honestly, I it find so fulfilling, and deep and dense in characters and histories, so I enjoy that they expand the universe, honestly for me is easy to understand that the plot was emotional damage and pchylogical strugle. So its a shame that you just critize it in a mundane way.
I love episode 21. So, so good. I think the complexity and depth of story is on another level. I love where the writers are taking this and I hope that DC live action is learning from this show.
This was a show that everyone was begging to come back and now when it finally returns Everyone was all excited but now nobody’s talking about this show anymore wonder why ?
The guy who writes the show put to many twists in the show and took out cool things that really made the hero’s fantastical like the speed force and death and resurrection (poor Wally ) and grounded it to much in reality I mean it’s DC not marvel(I like marvel by the way) reality is ok but in small amounts and subtle when they changed channel the writers decided to go crazy with the story.
Season 3 and 4 seem disconnected because they changed the course of the series and the team that works on it, it's obvious that with the original plan, the season 3 would be different. I think they're trying to imitate Justice League Unlimited, CN did a great job with both series(Justice League and Young Justice) and the quality difference in writing before and now is obvious. The first 2 seasons focused on developing the new characters, while the old ones, along with the Justice League, served as mentors. Each arc was a preparation for something bigger at the end and this allowed them to develop and work with multiple characters at once, because they had a main plot, even if though 1 character was the center of one of the arcs, and the team was always together. In these two new ones, they are wanting to develop the old and the new at the same time, while separating them and their arcs, and that ends up extending up the plot too much.
I think their trying add a lot of characters in this show. I feel like they’re aiming the final battle to Darkseid and probably bring back Wally West. I love the show, and I feel like superboy would get his full powers.
I'm totally ok with the shift in focus with the heroes, although it is extremely confusing for me what the hell is going on with the villains. Because I feel like the heroes are really well developed but we still have little clue as to the connection between everything the Light is doing. We barely see them at all and while I like the other villains, we should be dealing with the Light one by one. They should be the ones the heroes take down per arc. We don't have much direction of where the story is going. None of the villains are really ever defeated and now we have Zod coming.
Wish there would be more team ups, they are not even a team anymore. Barely any action. Eaxh episode has like 3 different plots that I am forced to follow in order to remember whats happening. Most of the episodes are just them talking. Too many characters, like who tf is Jim Harper???? Also, Wally West, like if they don't bring him back this season, then they should stop teasing us with him, wish they just killed him off. It's kinda becoming annoying seeing all these teases and nothing to come out of it. Seasons 1 and 2 were amazing. 3 and 4....not so much.
One of the problems comics in general have is they don’t have a proper satisfying ending to their story. Their needs to be a beginning middle and end. A clear vision and goal for their story, otherwise it will get stale and loose what makes it intresting and special. I’d rather have a fantastic build up plot line spanning seasons that eventually conclude and come to a satisfying ending that I’m happy with. Than possibly grow to dislike the show because it becomes directionless and stale or it gets canceled at a cliffhanger season ender and we never get a conclusion period just an unsatisfying cliffhanger that halts all plot lines. Season one is widely considered to be the best season because it had the best ending. It was a pretty self-contained story with, like, one dangling plot thread which made for a more satisfying ending. Meanwhile season three’s finale felt less like a finale and more like a set up for the next season. The show became more setups than pay-offs so they can keep u watching for longer. And that’s a problem. You can’t have a plot heavy show like this with no foreseeable end bc it robs the show of any possible satisfying conclusion. It doesn’t matter how brilliant the writing is or how awesome the things they’re setting up are, if the payoff doesn’t feel like a pay off. And this decision just isn’t sustainable. Eventually people are going to get tired of being strung alone and quit. Plot-heavy shows and episodic writing do not mix.
