Jews weren't expelled entirely by the Romans. Jews still maintained a huge presence and majority until at least the 700s when the Ummmayad empire took control of Israel.
My best offer to you regarding Zionism, Jews, and the Palestinians. You should start with the Palestinians' treaty regarding the State of Israel. This will shock you!!
The Arab is also political everything is political Muslim brother hotel a far right political movements they hate everybody how is not Muslim they want to bring back the caliphate and sharia .
id say it was very nice! but i also critisize your opinions about the current conflict.. like.. get educated about the topic.. im not saying whatever is happening is ok or alright but you should really reconsider your standings on it especially as jews... thats it. much love
I think he is just trying not to offend anyone which itself is wrong. im Christian but ima Zionist. all Christians should be. you guys may not like us but we LOVE you. as commanded in the scripture. we literally worship a jew so any christian who hates jews is committing sin against our Messiah.
@@chrisvibz4753 You can love Jews Chris. But as a Christian you should be calling out the genocide of Palestinians which Israel has been undertaking for over 80 years.
It’s hard to notice antisemitism on campus if you are not Jewish because it’s not targeted towards you. As a Jewish student I have so many stories, the situation is very bad.
No Zevi, the British in the 1930s under the Peel Commission offered the Arabs a country on over the 80% of the land with only a small sliver for the Jews. The Jews accepted the plan and the Arabs said no. The 1947 Partition Plan came later and was presented by the UN and not British "colonialists". The British abstained from that vote and had already been siding with the Arabs since the 1930s. But the Arabs had already rejected the Peel Commission compromise in which they would ha gotten most of the land. The entire history of Jews and Palestinians has been one of Palestinian rejectionism because they do not want the existence of a Jewish state.
The Peel Commission was still giving away land which was predominantly inhabited by Arabs. Is it so strange that a people living their life should surrender 20 percent of their land to people who lived on other continents?? There is a self-serving delusion here that a people would hand over 20 percent of their land mass to people from a separate continent. Why do you present this bizarre third party theft of land as an attractive proposition for the people living and farming these lands? Only to serve your own entitled view.....
@@izzykhach . So you are suggesting that a country should accept 20 percent of their most fertile, coastal land being stripped away to be given to colonists from primarily Europe who would use this as a launching pad to seize more? Ridiculous and self-serving argument to suggest that this was a 'fair deal'. It was, and is, an imposition upon the inhabitants of the land. It was said by a senior Zionist at the time that they could accept a parcel of land the size of a tablecloth, because it would be the point from where they would seize the rest of Palestine.
What about us jews descendent from refugees from MENA countries... My grandparents were Iraqi jews... a 2500 year old jewish community that no longer exists... Had to leave with nothing...Some of us didn't have a choice.
Yeah, because mossad did multiple 💣 in Iraq to make the local Jewish population believe they weren't welcome and flee to Israel. The Iraqi government didn't want them to go.
You may find that Mossad had a fair bit to do with driving Jews from surrounding Arab countries. Demographic domination has always been the aim of Zionists....the early Zionist knew that, and did all they could to fill the Palestinian lands with Jews ...
@@adiz8472 Then you move to a country based upon equality, freedom of religious expression, democracy and liberty. You do not expel the people in habitation and create an ethno-theocracy which discriminates against all except the 'chosen'. Or you remain and fight the righteous fight for your rights to remain in a territory which has been your ancestral home for 2500 years. Nothing about your past or aspirations gives you the right to expel and subjugate the Palestinians. Nothing.
Conversations like these, and others always seem to forget the fact that Palestinians have been offered their own state multiple times. Israel agreed to each and it was 'brokered' through other countries as well. The Palestinians turned down the offers each and every time. Also, 1948-67, there was a three state solution (Jordan/Egypt/Israel) until Israel had to defend in 1967. Then gaza / WB were ceded to Israel. You *need* to understand the history. The Palestinian 'statehood' movement began in 1964, by an egyptian, 16 years after Israel was re-constituted.
There was literally zero offers 😂 you wouldn't be able to bring up the documents of those offers because it never existed. And Palestinians have no reason to share land with invaders, that's insane. That's their indigenous land where they have been living there for thousands of years, way before the biblical times. They are the descendants of Canaanites and Israelites that never left while you are the descendant of the Edomites and Judeans that God cursed.
And their initial 1964 statehood document explicitly ceded Gaza to their Arab Egyptian brothers, and the West Bank to their Jordanian Arab brothers. The PLO was only focused on conquering and destroying Israel, after which its independence was not so important, as long as all the land was in the hands of Arabs.
@@ngreenwald89do you think that if the PLO accepted the plans to leave 70% of the land to Jewish colonizers and refugees while their own share of the land was being torn apart and governed by other neighboring countries, they would now be considered "independent"?
The Palestinians sought independence from britain. I don't care about the specifics of which formal movement started when, by whom, or what their leaders' nationalities were, because nationality doesn't equal ethnicity. The fact remains: people under the British Mandate of Palestine [decades before israel existed] demanded self-agency, autonomy, their LAND back and the departure of their white colonizers. To think otherwise [that is that people were happy or nonchalant under occupation and that the british colonizers were peace doves agreeing to give anyone their land as is without consequences] is foolish and naive. Britain partitioned their land as they did with India and Pakistan, and France with Lebanon, strategically believing the issue would resolve itself. And the palestinians didn't want to compromise. The same way u wouldn't if u were in their place. The same way probably dont want israelis to compromise anything right now.. And let me be clear, I am jewish. I believe Jewish refugees back then deserved homes and dignified treatment. However, the way "Zionism" came to be is evil and corrupt.. I myself, don't disageee with zionism in itself as a concept. But the way it carried out is colonization and a continuation of an imperialist history, under disguise, now taking advantage of european guilt and jewish trauma and the rising movement of pan-Arabism. it was Strategy... and we got fed that propaganda and we repeat it over and over. But Israel didn't shy away from being an aspiring colonizing power when it was in fashion, think at the time, Australia, canada, etc.. colonies, europe x africa .. great colonial powerrs x poor colonized countries.. so this narrative that the way it carried out isn't colonization and mass displacement is relatively new. And is also a PR strategy. AND even if.. YES !! A nation has the right to self-defense, BUT Israel's actions in 1964 were not defensive. The Suez Crisis and the titular aggression on Egypt are well-documented . Britain and France used Israel as a tool for their imperial ambitions. and Israeli forces, backed by the USA, UK, and France, occupied the remaining parts of Palestine, Egypt, Lebanon, and Syria. Some of these territories remain occupied today [golan heights in syria, why the heck does israel has a piece of syria til now???? come on]. This is not "defense", just as the killing of thousands of innocent people happening right now is not. The issue lies in how the complicit parties frame and rewrite history. Without social media, whats happening right now could have been passed to the next generation as another case of Israeli "defense." [google, please, and read, and have an open mind, and address the way we are biased to believe cerain things :)]
Zionism: The Rebirth of a Nation A continuous Jewish presence in Israel for over 3,000 years. 1. Zion is an age-old name for Jerusalem and the land of Israel. Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people who sought to restore their freedom and independence in their ancestral homeland. 2. Theodore Herzl founded morden Zionist movement in 1897, but the dream of restoration and return had always been at the core of Judaism and Jewish identity. Roma tried to obliterate the millenna-old Jewish state in the first century. But unlike other nations conquered in ancient times, the Jews survived and never lost their profound attachment to their land of origin. Jews lived in the land of Israel continuously for 3,000 years. Those forced into exile expressed their yearning to return in their daily liturgy and prayers. For 2,000 years, many came back in periodic waves of immigration. By the late 1860s. Jews once again were the mijority in Jerusalem. 3. Zionists adapted this historic dream to modern political ideals and circumstances. They were inspired by national liberation movements and driven by ongoing anti-Jewish persecution and discrimination that occurred even in progressive Europe. The Zionists believed that if tge scatted Jews reunited in their historic homeland, joining the Jews who were already there, they could restore their freedom, be free prejudice and further develop their unique culture. 4. Disagreements arose among Zionists as Jews from different countries and with different ideologies - religious and scular, socialist and conservative - joined toghter. But they united around fundamental principles that combined idealism and practicality. They would seek official support from other national govermments. They wwould return legally, purchase the land and restore it through their own labor. Zionists envisioned living in friendship with non-Jewish residents and believed the entire region would benefit from their restoration of the land. 5. Within 50 years, the Zionist dream became a reality. Britain recognized the thrivibg communities Jews had built and in the 1917 Balfour Declaration, endorsed the "Zionist aspirations". In 1920, the League of Nations reinforced this commitment and carved out the Palestine Mandate from the defeated Ottoman Empire for the Jewish homeland. 6. On May 14, 1948, Israel was reestablushed as a modern state and recognized by the community of nations. It lived up to the Zionist dream. Israel began with a Jewish majority that had purchased and settled the land and accorded full civil, political and cultural rights to all its minorities, including Arabs, Muslims and Christians. Today Jewish and non-Jewish Zionists arpund the world support the State of Israel and hope to see the full Zionist vision realized - a safe and thriving Israel living at peace with it neighbors. 🇮🇱💙
As an Israeli I was deeply disappionted by the ignorance, I axpected more knowlege from jewish people. Modern zionism is a secular movement, all it is is the right for jewish people to have a land in their ancestors land. Almost half of the people of Israel are left wing liberals who wants the 2 state solution, and don't hate Palestinians, all we want from them is to recognize the exsistance of Israel and stop using terror and wars to kick us out, we have no where else to go!!, I am 3rd ganoration in Jerusalem, my grandparents had to leave Iraq because they were persecuted, finally we have a home where we feel safe and not at mercy of others, yet people are trying to ruin the legitamacy of Israel by spreding lies about what zionism is. It is not colonialism, ethnic clensing and all of that, it is our right to continue to live in the land along side the Palestinians who allways refues to accept our long connection to the land too.
According to polls only 26 percent believe in two states, and it will only go down as the two sides become more extreme. You are openly lying. The fact it is a secular movement proves that it didn't originally had to do anything with creating a jewish state but to be a European colony for Ashkenazi jews alienated from their identity. It's not the fault of Jews but mainly of the british that created the conditions for it.
Zionism is an umbrella term for all Jewish nationalist ideologies centered around the land of Israel, it is neither secular nor religious it has secular or religious branches.
While the other half of israelis are genocidal maniacs that want a greater israel and are ok with stealing more land for their colonial project. You are all guilty.
Facts about Israel that the haters of Israel don’t like: 👇 *1.* Israel became a state in 1312 B.C.E., two millennia before Islam. *2.* Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves “Palestinians” in 1964, almost two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood in 1948. *3.* After conquering the land in 1272 B.C.E., Jews ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years. *4.* The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C.E. lasted just 22 years. *5.* For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it. *6.* Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur’an. *7.* King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it. *8.* Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem. *9.* In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence. 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier. *10.* Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms. *11.* Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Jews were forced to leave the Muslim countries. *12.* In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War 2, they are the only group tohave never integrated with their co-religionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel,a country no larger than New Jersey, USA. *13.* There are 58 Muslim countries, not counting Palestine. There is only one Jewish state. *14.* Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel. Israel ceded most of the west bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian authority, and even provided it with arms. *15.* During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths. *16.* Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to 1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 general assembly resolutions, 429 were against Israel. *17.* The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the temple mount and western wall. *18.* Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.
You need to stop drawing equivalence between Israel protesters trying to get their brothers back and Palestine protesters encouraging intifada. It's very disingenuous and you need to tell these guys straight
You need to fight against your biases. What is infitada and how has it been employed? Infitada means to rebel or resist and it has not always been violent. Do you deny a people’s right to rebel against their oppressor?
@@halimj7"ji ha d might also be trying to go on a diet, struggle against obesity" .... The intifada was hyper violent. Lets not play the taqqyia game.
@@halimj7 so far I haven't seen a non violent intifada out of the Palestinians, so excuse me if I'm skeptical of your claim. You should examine your biases that infidels are stupid idiots who you can play word games with.
@@halimj7Make sure you're working to fight against your biases as well. Make sure you try seeing things from the opposite side's perspective and not be a hypocrite.
Are you all open to a discussion on the definition of Zionism? I get that there’s a personal experience/relationship to Zionism, but I think you missed the mark on how Zionism is represented. Love what you all do and have learned so much from you. Would love the opportunity to discuss this further with you both, achim.
The first guy doesn't know what Zionism is. Zion is another word for Jerusalem/Israel, When the Roman empire conquered Israel, and expelled most of the Jews from there homeland, the longing for home was expressed by going back to Zion. Zionism means that Jews have a right to live in Israel it's there homeland, and there's archeology to prove it. It doesn't mean that Jews won't let others live in Israel. It never meant that. And Zionism was before the British empire.
Even the Quran has a copy pasted verses that God gave the land to the Israelites Btw Arabs have technically no religious claim to the land Al auqsa in Jerusalem was built after Mohammed died and that's one of the reasons Jerusalem isn't mentioned a single time in the Quran Btw someone who actually followes Islamic scholars and their scripture would understand that even the definition of Al aqusa (silver dome ) is actually in suadia Arabia
Such a beautiful and uplifting conversation, always a bit discouraging to see what some people (bots?) in the comments have to say and the likes that said comments get. With that aside I really appreciate you guys posting this, put a massive smile on my face!
Note sure I understand when you say Jewish and Palestinians could live together isn't proper Israel 20% population of Palestinians with equal rights? so they actually live together in a democratic country right?.
Love this video, as an Arab with ties to Palestine as well as someone who has been keeping up very closely with the catastrophes in Gaza, it's easy for me to be radicalised and wary of Jewish people from what I see Netanyahu/Gvir/the IDF perpetrating. It's just responding to hatred with more hatred. I like to be reminded that Jewish people are not a monolith and do not always agree with the Israeli government. Much love to you all, really important content being made here.
I have a lot of criticism towards the government of Israel but the government of Israel has nothing to do with Zionism. Zionism is the belief that the Jews deserve to have a homeland, that's about it. Whether the government's policies are ok or not that's for a different discussion. My grandparents fled from ethnic cleansing in arab countries to a forever home thanks to Zonism. Zack, no one uses Zionism to hurt someone else, it's much more complicated than that. I'll just end with the fact that now when antisemitism is increasing around the world, and many Jews look for an immigration to Israel in order to be protected, that's what Zionism is. Seriously, your answers just make me sad
Why don't universities in the West teach their students about Arab-Islamic Colonialism? * Bloody conquests and wars were waged * Hostages were taken as slaves * Sharia law was imposed on non-Muslims * Arabic was enforced Most Muslim schools teach all this with pride. (Luai Ahmed)
That was when? During the dark ages of extermination and conquest? This is your elementary school reasoning for indulging in extermination and conquest in the 21st century? My heart bleeds for the Arabs who were so unfortunate to exist on the land gifted to the Zionists.
What kind of BS talk is this? Have you been to universities or schools that are Arabic or Islamic? Of course not, due to the false remarks you say! I have never ever been taught about sharia law, never been taught that Jews are bad! Man educate yourself, Muslim and Arabic schools never teach this! Have you looked at the Quran before? Of course not, the Quran never ever mentioned killing Jews or hating Jews or anything about violence for Jews! The Quran even allows Muslims marriage to Christians and Jews because they are people of the book Muslim Christian and Jewish. Dude educate yourself!
@@1-10-1-4 It looks to me like yet another expression of racism. Dehumanising Palestinians, diminishing their history and humanity is buried within the psyche of the Zionist Jew. There needs be no sympathy, no allowance, no justice offered to a society viewed as below that of the Jewish society.
You claimed that Israelis don't see gazans as humans but you forget to mention that Israel are the ones that contribute food, fuel and so on to Gazans while still fighting terrorists. There are a bunch of videos showing supply trucks moving from Israel to Gaza to supply the Gazans with food and fuel.
There's a difference between the actions of the government and the views of the people. This is a sentence usually said to defend against antisemitic generalization, but I think it's relevant the other way around too. The government could be doing everything for Gazans but the people under said government could still view them as inferior or inherently dangerous. It's an unfortunate side-effect of living under constant hostility, many people in Israel only know of Gaza as "that place where rockets and terrorists come from", so they're not able to conceptualize that there are people just like them living there.
his from Haiti,and Israel was from the first that came and helped when they had there tragedy. I read all the time about people from Haiti supporting Israel because they remember what Israel did for them. and we from Israel will not forget your gratitude. Love to Haiti from Israel
That guy said he doesn't believe the US or Israel should exist, fine. Did he ever protest against the existence of the US? I doubt it. He has some anti semitic leanings whether he would like to admit it or not.
Also, what does he mean by "not exist"? Is he just saying that the political entity/rulership should change? Because to me it sounds at first like he's saying everyone apart from indigenous people should leave, but that would be a crazy position to take.
This was beautiful and helpful. I feel more hopeful and capable of engaging honestly and compassionately having watched this. Thank you, more of this! 👁️🙏❤️
This is so important. Thank you guys 🙏💕 I agree somewhat that the opinions were a little vague and underformed, but so are most peoples! And that shouldnt exclude them from peaceful discussion.. That said, I would *adore* seeing a discussion with this level of humanity, but on more specific issues and disagreements (perhaps between a Palestinian and Israeli scholar/historian?)
Sooo beautiful and respectful, intelligent exchange of ideas... Let's hope Israelis and Palestinians can sit together, just like you guys, and try to understand each other. Shalom from Israel❤.
@@user-rp4ot3gr5rthe Palestinians who don't even know who was the 1st Prime Minister of the Palestinian state 75yrs ago. Because there never was a Palestinian state. It is all the Muslims using their Taqiyya on the ignorant.
Politicians feed on conflict. People feed on politicians. The media feed both. The problem is misinformation. The real problem, though, is human idiocy. Put simply, human idiocy is nationalism. With nationalism comes borders, physical and perceptual, and these two lead to prejudice and discrimination, which in turn feed politicians who feed the media which feeds people who start to think that they are right, and start to hate.
Promotion of civility, common humanity, and understanding is very heartwarming. A very mature approach to public discourse. Thank you for being a light of hope Mr Zevi 🪔
Interesting. You men are so young and hopeful. I'm 53 and stone cynical. I hear quite a lot of fameworking here, yet your core goal is sound. I'm encouraged by the conversation. And if I, as a representative of the monolith of establishment set thinking, can be moved by a little unity, perhaps a lot of Unity could move a lot more of the Establishment towards where it should be. YOU blokes need to form an ecumenical forum so more Union can be realised. Step forward with care. Teach, don't preach. Your world now.
To the black guy: If you don’t consider America home even your mom is American then you should find a better country you can call home. And also stop using so many words that you don’t even know what they mean and use them in the most incorrect way. Also Haitians are not persecuted anywhere in the world so it’s in no way the same.
Yeah that dude was a caricature of a "woke studies" student trying to fit as many big woke words that he heard and read as he can trying to sound like an intellectual.
I appreciate the effort in the discussion but you were sugar coating way too much. Tell these guys why they are idiots for protesting with the hamas sympathizers
Leftis usually cut people into groups and try to make each struggle the same and the jihadsts have been using that exploit to infiltrate causes it's sad all guys in this videos are good people but each is trying to generalize everything without digging deeper to understand the conflict but eventually if they keep the curiosity they would understand better that main goal of the Jews is life
1:58 stop saying colonization movement! The only colonization in history are western empires! Jews did have any support from no country when the very few of them started moving to Palestine in 1888!
..And Muslim Empires that colonized people on three continents, and the Japanese in the formation of the totality of the country, and hey how did China get so big, etc..?
Meh this conversation regarding Zionism is missing much. Too much focus on the “ism” of Zionism being the issue rather than considering Islamism as being even more culpable. Israel isn’t all that different from the huge number of other nations created around that time. It was a time of nation building. Israel set out to establish legally. They purchased land to establish a nation. No arabs lost any land until they attacked Israel. Losing land happens when you attack your neighbors. Israel tried to help create a Palestine. The price was peace and Arabs refused. Yes it’s a shitty situation. Yes both sides share some blame. The fact of the matter is what Israel is guilty of is not sacrificing itself to save the Arabs from their self imposed strike of suffering. Israel built a state. Israel fought and won the war in 1948. The guy speaking is well spoken and well intentioned but notice he feels America as well as Israel should fall…. Israel is the greatest story of decolonization. Jesus wasn’t there as part of an occupying force. Jews history is incontestable. And when we get past the history, the fact of the matter is that it’s Israel NOW. It’s a fully functioning multicultural democracy. Wars were fought. If you are going to put Israel on a list of nations that “deserve to fall”… whatever… if you are going to ignore all the real genocides and injustices, allow the perpetrators of true genocides judge Israel while ignoring it all…. It’s clear Israel is being targeted. What truly makes Israel unique? Jews. There’s no way to destroy Israel without murdering more than half the world’s Jews. It’s time the nakba reversal fantasies to be abandoned. They are the obstacle to peace.
As a Jew who was born and lives in the south of Israel, especially after the seventh of October, it is a bit difficult for me to agree with you... After thousands of people breach the wall and kill 1500 Jews for fun and send recordings to their mothers in Gaza happy, And when in the streets of Gaza sweets are handed out for the terrible murder, then yes I am in favor of eliminating Hamas. We (Israel) left the Gaza Strip in 2005 to allow the Gazans to build a better life for themselves, despite the separation we continued to transfer hundreds of millions of dollars and give tens of thousands of jobs to the Gazans so that they could live a better life What many people in the world don't understand is that with all the money going to construction and reconstruction, Gaza would have been more successful than Israel, but the money went to the terrorist people who built tunnels wherever possible, under schools, mosques, hospitals and more And all this just so that when the moment comes they will attack (as happened on October 7) So Israel will have no choice and they will have to bomb these places to eliminate terrorism, I agreed with how you described the idea of Judaism but to say that nowadays people use it to kill people is not true, we in Israel want peace and that's why we left in 2005 but who are murdering 1500 residents We have to fight back, we don't want to hurt civilians but it's not us who are hurting, today we hear a lot in the media about Israel killing innocents But we are not the ones who built the tunnels in public places in the first place and who bridge rockets from public places So what do you expect from us not to react and see our children die who throw a one year old into the oven or shoot the mother in the head and force the child to watch before murdering him as well We are trying to reduce casualties as much as possible compared to Hamas which prevents its people from going to the safe places Over the years Israel gave the option 5 times to establish a Palestinian state and each time they said no because they do not believe that Israel deserves a state. What is happening today in Gaza is both Zionism and Judaism. We want to give our child a place to call home but it is not possible if you are murdered so we come to kill the terrorists but that too cannot be done because they are hiding inside a civilian community so during the last 20 years we stopped every time they fired rockets because we did not want to harm civilians But that it comes to the murder of 1500 Jews is no longer possible You talk about a ceasefire but you can't make a break as long as Hamas exists because then maybe not now but in 20 years everything will repeat itself again And we are not ready for that.
Israel is not just a homeland, but a holy land for the Jews. It is their biblical homeland. The Arabs would never allow any other people to inhabit, let alone rule the area that Mecca is in.
Israel is not the homeland of Jews lol the biblical Israel has nothing to do with the state of Israel of today 😂 in fact Jew in the biblical times meant those from Judea, there was a big difference between Israelites and Judeans. Seems like you need to learn your own history. The Children of God are now Christians because we accepted his Son as our savior.
@@carlosm.3426 Those that curse Israel shall be cursed, and those that bless Israel shall be blessed. True born again Christians who know their bible will know that the God of Israel calls for Gentile believers to pray for him to fulfil his promises to his Covenant people the remnant of Israel (Romans 11, Jeremiah 31:7, Isiah 40:1). Now is the time that God is going to arise and show mercy upon Zion for the set time is come (Psalm 102:13). If you believe that God will break his covenant that he made with Abraham! to give him and his descendants through Isaac and Jacob the land of Israel as a possession forever then you do not understand the faithfulness of God. Israel is God's firstborn son. Jesus Christ is Jewish and he will reign over the house of Jacob from Jerusalem forever. Jesus says to the woman at the well in Samaria that 'salvation is of the Jews.' What this means is that without the Jewish people there would be no patriarchs, no prophets, no bible and no Saviour. Through the unbelief of the Jews, mercy was shown to the Gentile nations and God requires Gentile believers to now show mercy on his chosen heritage Israel.
As to the person on the left saying the USA shouldn't exist, what should it be replaced with? a Native American state? in a land where they are the minority?
12:43 the biblical story is allegory, and that’s really important to know. israelites in the bible conquered canaanites. the truth is, the archaeological record shows that israelites were a subgroup of canaanites who were already living in the region. they had an internal uprising because they felt that things like human sacrifice and animal sacrifice and idolatry etc etc were not what their god wanted of them. the land was not overtaken and canaanites were not destroyed in the way the bible outlines. israelites decided to be better people, with a deeper respect for life, and a deeper respect for morality and goodness. were they perfect? no. but the story in the bible can’t be used against the jewish population in terms of “look what they did in the past” - because they didn’t do that in the past. they picked up and moved to the highlands and started a new life and called themselves israelites, those who “wrestled with god”. this is archaeologically evidenced, and also even hinted at in the bible where jacob “suddenly becomes” israel. that’s exactly what happened in real life, canaanites became israelites.
@@weisshalivniwineHow is that BS? I'm interested to know because if you study Paleo-Hebrew it's attested that language evolved from Canaanite script. Given the story of the Bible, it's plausible that it was constructed to explain a natural separation, and establishment of an Israelite state. Like how the Ausarian Myth details the constant struggle between Lower and Upper Egypt and the country's eventual union.
You are aware that genetically Palestinians are the ones who are the most similar to ancient Israelites and Canaanites and not the so called modern Jews that are not in Israel? Canaanites/Israelites all became modern day Palestinians, they have been the ones living there even before the biblical times. Some just ended up converting to Christianity through Jesus Christ and then with the rise of Islam, most became Muslim. Their DNA proves they are indigenous.
@@afcomics7184yes but modern day Hebrew has nothing to do with the Hebrew of that time. Modern day Hebrew is a recent invention by European Jws mixing Yiddish and Arabic. Modern Jws do not speak whatsoever Hebrew despite what they like to claim. Everything about them is completely fake and made up, heck, the star of David was never a Jwish symbol, the European Jws adopted that star which Muslims for example once used it as their symbol. The current Jwish identity is just a recent invention but the Bible already warned us about the fake Jws claiming to be Jw but are the synagogue of Satan.
I'm watching this conversation right now, and what a good and respectful dialog they are having, hopefully they do more conversations on various topics in the future. One question that comes to mind that I would be interested to know is what they know about Muslims and Islam. one simple task that the world needs to do is learn about their neighbors and then we will be closer to having love and respect for all and hatred for none. That is truly the essence of life. :)
They said there was no anti-Israeli sentiment on their campus whatsoever, then relate the story of a young Israeli who literally told the guy "I don't feel safe here." To which he told her she just simply shouldn't be a Zionist. It's not the algorithm that makes you think there is a problem; the people telling you there isn't a problem aren't listening to the one's who say to their faces "I am experiencing this problem."
Gd gave land to each nation, the land of the Jewish nation is Israel, just like India is for Indians. The British conquered India and gave it back to the Indians. The Muslims conquered Israel, lost it in a war they started with the Jews and refuse to give up what never was theirs to be taken. The conflict will end when the Palestinians accept their losses and start building a life worth living for their children.
With all due respect to my Jewish brethren, you are talking about the reality of Israel from a false and leftist lense. #1) when the land was partitioned by the UN in 1947, it was devided between the Jews who already owned significant portions of the land based on what they actually paid money for and the Arabs which did not include "Palestinians" for any side. And it was the Jews who identified more as Palestinians than did the Arabs. And when you look at the map of the pre '67 borders, it looks ridiculous because it was based off of land that jews owned a majority of prior to the partition. So, it wasn't as if after ww2 the British dumped a bunch of Jews into Israel and moved around the Arabs to accommodate the Jews. It's just a-historical. Then, the Arbas tried to wipe our the Jews over and over again and really started long before 1947 where the Arabs tried to annihilate the Jews. Finally, in '67 the Jews beat the Arabs back very hard and took over even more than current borders of Israel and in good faith for peace gave back much of the land conquered in the defensive war of 1967. The Palestinian identity really came to be after the war of '67 in order to play the victim to the world and push the Jews out of the land. #2) the guy with the great hair talks as if America is out to get him and that he needs to go home but can't. That is such a brainwashed outlook that elites perpetuate on the young minds and the masses. It's sad that he believes that because it is that belief that will hold him back from achieving success and happiness and I hope he wakes up to that. #3) The lie that Israel is mistreating the "Palestinians" is also a complete lie. No Arab in the middle east is more free than in Israel. Israels Arabs make up 20% of the population and they have complete equal rights including serving on the Supreme Court! So everything these people are saying are just complete lies. If you are putting yourselves out there as a representative of the Jewish people, you need to not be shy of the truth. You need to know the truth and be proud of the truth as the truth is something to be proud of.
The reality is the Muslims of Israel\Palestine have massacred the Jews of that land much longer before there ever been an Israeli state so that two different cultures just doesn't get along together and it has nothing to do with any occupation... The only solution I can see is two states, but history shows one side doesn't want that... So ... That's why we are in the current horrible situation ❤
That's not sure, that's not what in Nakba happened and even before that when the Jwish terrorist group Irgun decided to kill over 90 British soldiers and injury many civilians in a hotel after they bombed it.
I liked the last video you did like this, but this one seems like you are explaining Zionism in a weak way to get people to like you. And let's not talk at all about Islamic colonization...
Colonialism and Imperialism are completely different enterprises. Recall that it was in the Islamic Imperium that Jews took refuge in (from Andalusia to Constantinople), flourished, composed works of great genius, etc.
@@ozzy7912 Not all empires are created equal… and I am no apologist for imperialism… the center obviously flourishes, even at the cost of the periphery… but the racist, genocidal legacy of colonialism, especially its European variety, is far, far worse. Compare Umayyad Andalusia to British India, or Ottoman Syria to French Algeria. It’s not even close.
No words for how much I love this. THIS is what we need. Humans talking to other humans. Levinas - face to face - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OGnGB4saHCk.html
You are able to sit there and have this conversation because you are in America with freedom of speech. Why do some of you have absolutely no gratitude but hate this county that gave you such privilege? I truly do not understand.
To the second guy, you imply we Jews don´t like arabs and see them as not human which factually is false. The main reason for this conflict is the armed uprise through terror use palestinians have inflicted on Jews in israel for 100 years. Otherwise, there would have been peace. which riases the real question that is, what do the palestinians beleive? if the don't want peace, what do they want beside the anyhlation of Israel as a Jewish state? and that's the heart of all this war. so this is what you should ask. why do palestinians hate jews so much they can't leave here in peace in the land they were given? that's the whole problem. Once you solve that, you can have peace.
These sessions are incredibly important. The best way to deal with ignorance is through dialogue. Ps. People who support Palestine completely ignore what's happening in Xinjiang.
about the israelites going into to israel and fighting people they didnt do it until the people sinned "[...] the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure." the same goes for 48
these guys live in america and wont call it home. im not just talking about my jewish brothers im talking about the guy with the afro too, if your dad came here then you were born here then this is home. my ancestry says im german and english and scottish , does that mean europe is my home? hell no im american
This is very interesting, when you say people use god and the bible to do unjust things, seems like you acknowledge the bible is not a good source for justice, may be there is something to re-think about religion and god existence?. On the other hand seems like you think Jewish colonized the land and expulsed all the Palestinians. A big number of Arabs moved to the region as also Jewish were moving to live there(buying land not expulsing people), Jewish de-colonized the land from the British, when the war started, Arab countries asked the Palestinians to move away(some were expulsed by Jewish also as many Jewish were expulsed from Arab majority areas)to kill and expulse all the Jewish from the land(I am not sure you learned or agree about this facts).
Well, you all certainly have a different view on this than basically all Israeli religious Jews, and the vast majority of American religious Jews as well. Basically all of us are considerably more attached to Israel and Zionism than one would take away from this. Are you all watering down views on this in order to not scare away leftist you may meet, or what? If so, I think being weak about our existence hurts more than helps.
I feel more or less the same. I aways saw Israel as a place flee to if the shit hit the fan and didn't think of it much more beyond this. I have never known what it is to be a Jew more than during this explosion of antisemitism. To not be resilient in the face of hate. To not cower. The purpose for Israel's existence has never been made more clear.
This is the 2nd video of yours I watched and while I appreciate the concept the answers in no way reflect my views as a Jew. You totally missed the opportunity to explain what the word Zionism or Zionist means. I fear for the future of Judaism with such liberal views. I would remind you the Palestinians don't want to share the land, a view of utopia is nice but it's also unrealistic. I do have a suggestion ask your father and or grandfather or a jewish baby boomer the same questions you were asked and see what there response is.
He had an Apportunity to be a light to the nations and really explain what’s going on instead he went along with the idea that Jews are pushing out Palestinians, and also implying that Zionism is bad. Let’s be clear Jews aren’t pushing out anyone. We are defending ourselves from people that want to kill us and say so clearly. If they stop killing us we will live side By side peacefully it’s that’s simple. You will be respected more if you have more confidence in who you are and stop pandering.
Do you think Hamas is representative of all Palestinians? If so then is Netanyahu representative of all Israelis? If we can just lump everyone together then I'd like to remind you that Israelis don't want to share the land either!
@@KalebPeters99 85% of Gazan Arabs still support Hamas so yes they represent all the Gazans. Netanyahu was duly elected by the majority of Israelis so yes he represents all of Israel. In my opinion the Israelis shouldn't share the land but the Israeli people to there own detriment are willing to share it. Hamas and the Gazans want to wipe the Jewish people from the face of the earth and set up a Caliphate, So says the Hamas Charter. @KalebPeters99 Grow up and get a grip on reality.
@@KalebPeters99 the majority of Gazans support Hamas every time they have been polled by Gazans themselves. The reason they don’t hold new elections in the West Bank is because Hamas would win the election. Netanyahu is a moderate on the right which very few realize. If Netanyahu was not in power the right would still win in Israel.
A question from a non Jew: for the host of this video- if you don't want to inject that God has given the land to the Israelites. Then how and why would you call yourself a Jew? Judaism came about because God chose Abraham and God fulfilled his promises to Abraham . And one of the covenant between God and Abraham is not there will be no other God other than the great I am , Adonai , Yahweh . So if you omit /delete as the one who gave the land of Israel , then how and why you call yourselves Jewish??
Hi friend. Thanks for the question and allowing us to clarify. I don’t believe that not to be the case, I just don’t think it’s a helpful line of reasoning, for present purposes, if our hope is to minimize the suffering of all humans, created in the image of God.
Heres actual history, forget Hertzl. Jordan is arav pstine and about 80% of the mandate for pstine. In the 1920s Arvs started the violence by massacring yehud women and kids. This caused yeshuv to create militias for own defense as brits sided with Arvs, turned Mandatory into actual apartheid territory for hevrews and pandered to arv demands. Then the founding father mufti of pstine identity, which didnt exist prior, allied with Germans in ww2 and tried bringing camps to mandatory. 3 years later, Arav started a civil war causing their own nakba. They then refused partition again, as tgey had during Peel era, and now declared gee had.
guy says israelies came and were hostile MEANWHILE he described his fellow protesters "hounding" the Israeli girl till she cried. disgusting and shameful. this conversation was upsetting to say the least
“You and 50 other Nations “ -50 other nations weren’t exiled by the Romans, they were conquered. Only the Jews were actually exiled. That was an incredibly condescending comment.
Regards to your point at 12:55 about using G-d as an excuse for injustice: Yes the land belongs to the Jewish people because G-d gave it to them - but the reason they have to fight is not because of that. It's because it's a Torah law that a Jew needs to defend themselves, as the talmud says 'if someone comes to kill you, rise to kill them first.' Unfortunately Israel has not conducted themselves this way as they should have, preffering to let Gaza turn into a terror stronghold right under their very noses out of fear of 'rocking the boat' and now we are paying a heavy price for exuding such weakness. Had we taken the the Torah (G-ds word) seriously, we would not be in this this position - but again, the 'religious' rationale for using force, comes down to the obligation to be proactive when it comes to self defense. It's not about grabbing land, it's about protecting lives.
Cute conversation with potentially sweet ideas. Pity these two Jewish dudes know nothing about their own history and avoid current reality. Could have been an amazing and illuminary opportunity... Sadly wasted...
