I took my customer to court, turns out he's a LAWYER 😔 

A solicitor is a type of lawyer in the U.K.

@@HowToSandAFloor Ok got ya! Good for you too stand your ground and take him to the mat on this one.

@Paul Moore Hey not all of them are bad, you get a few rotten ones in every trade

@@fazillahi agreed but they do charge extortionate amounts of money for their time, however since the reduction of legal aid thats been devastated

Google is free, babe

You mean the SRA Solicitors Regulation Authority

He has to meet an ethical standard he has to meet and not paying is very unethical

Yes do that because if keeps getting complaints they will act for dishonesty

It's the Law Society, not the Bar. The LS govern solicitors.

He will just BS his way out of it, say someone told him it was his fault, maybe they did the damage on purpose knowing they could just easily fix it, his friend the plumber probably made it rain a little, plumber probably handy himself could fix it up.

Man, so sorry you had to go through all that, but I'm really glad your day in court turned out the way it did for you. That scamming lawyer (ahem - solicitor) ought to lose his license to practice (or whatever they do across the pond) for refusing to settle your initial transaction in the first place (theft by deception). It certainly sounds like he was setting up to never pay you in the first place (and the whole refusal to accept the results of mediation...? What a joke!) I've seen too many good people cheated out of an honest days/weeks/months work like this, myself included. It is no joke that going through court is an intimidating process, and that's why so many other guys do 'call it quits' when it comes to this. Who wants to go (and also profits from going) to court? ONLY LAWYERS! I totally understand just wanting to put it behind you, because who needs the stress of dragging this shit out for another year or more... but again, I'm glad your day in court turned out the way it did for you. Hopefully the anxiety over it will subside over time, cause you still seem to be suffering some PTSD over this, and I know how you feel.

would have stressed me out n all fella. sad truth is this type try all the tricks to not pay. its out of order. i get it myself. paint and dec.

Agreed and as i customer if I can pay more at the start I will especially if they have a decent track record. After all there also other incentives they are more likely to go out of their way put in extra effort, etc.

1/3 is about 33%. So you say 33% a signing, 33% at half way, which in total is 66%, and 20% at final = 86%? Where is the remaining 14%? You let it go?

@@zerpo he said 10 % at signing then at start 33.33% then 33.33% at midpoint which leaves a final 23-24%

@@zerpo "which means the final payment is only 20 percent. Much easier to get out of them." Was my quote. I got lazy on the math . However, most large jobs have miscelaneous extras or over allowances versus under allowances that balance out to slightly above quoted price.

I don't pay until the job is done to my satisfaction.

I am an Interior Designer. Typically, when a potential client asks you to come to their home for an initial consultation, the first 1/2 to full hour is complementary. During that past ‘Great Recession’, many designers were offering a full hour of complimentary consultation time before charging an on-the-clock fee, as we desperately needed to line up jobs. I got a call from a potential client, spent my one hour with them, and then they asked if I could provide them with my contract terms, as they were very interested in working with me, and they wanted to move forward with their project. Great! I sent them the contract, and then heard nothing. They didn’t answer my calls, as if they didn’t know me. Worse yet, this couple lived about 3 blocks away from me! Okay, so they most likely either went with another designer, or they simply had to tighten their budget, due to the recession, and couldn’t proceed with the project. A few months later, I was at a local professional designer meeting where we were discussing business, marketing, customers, etc. It turns out that seven of my fellow designers had also dealt with this same couple, each providing one hour of free design consultation, and then failing to sign the client. So far, the ‘clients’ had received eight FREE hours of designer assistance. There was a designer present, who happened to have them scheduled for a consultation in a couple of days. When she heard our conversation, she immediately called the client, placing them on speaker (with their permission), confirming the appointment. She then asked if they had any ideas of design direction they had in mind so that she could provide paint samples, cabinet hardware samples, etc. She also asked if they’d had contact with other designers, who’s design styles she may have to be aware of, and perhaps incorporate into the overall plan. They said no, she would be the first designer they’ve ever had at their home, so it was a blank palette for her to work with. Okay, great, she actually kept the appointment. The next month at our meeting, she reported that upon entering the house, it was abundantly clear that the couple had implemented design elements they had been advised of by a number of the designers, and they happened to have their construction contractor there, waiting for a direction on their next project. After about 15 minutes of surveying the project site, she was able to distract the couple and pull the contractor aside, explaining she was there for an initial consultation only, they were NOT her clients, and they’d done this to at least eight other designers in the previous 6 months. They’d been getting plenty of free design advise, although it was at times conflicting styles. The contractor realized what was happening and was furious, as they’d been stalling his progress payments. When the clients returned to the room, she told them that with so many styles, representing so many designer tastes (many of whom she was very familiar with), she couldn’t possibly provide them with any additional time or design services, as they were doing the profession a disservice by using our valuable time and resources. They were shocked that they’d been called out. None of our local designers heard from them again. Yes, word ripples through the industry when there are bad customers, AND potential customers, out there.

.Solicitors Ugh! Thats why I sought a Barrister for non payment issues

Dude probably didnt know about the RU-vid. Thought he was slick. Almost Million Views so 1000 Dollars off the video so far

Surely this is breach of contract issue

@lightningphox would you mind me asking you a question please as I've had a solicitor as a customer who has tried playing clever too, do I go to bar about them?

More like simple dishonesty than breach of contract

Thank you!

@@HowToSandAFloor Was this guy a Jew my any chance lol ? Well done for getting justice I am very happy for you 😁

@@alisonhilll4317 no, straight up Brit, as English as they come

@@alisonhilll4317 Are you serious? Your antisemitism is rather ugly.

@@alisonhilll4317 wow that's racist/antisemetic AF

Cheers 🍻

Their not penny pinching they are thieves.they are stealing.

You hit the nail on the head, the more money they have the more hassle. So many times I’ve had to wait till the client gets his monthly wage, shows you they are all on the credit.

Thats the reason they have money in first place, by scamming and pulling tricks like this on people,and being cheap fucks. Pathethic is what the world came out to be

couldn't agree more, fuck the rich, they only get that way by taking advantage of others!

Not all hero’s wear capes 😂 thank you

@@HowToSandAFloor As a chartered surveyor working for more than 45 years, I can assure you that everything that you said was correct, something that is quite rare these days. Keeping to your trade has paid dividends. If we met to discuss a job, one look into the back of your van would tell me 90% of what I needed to know about the quality of your work. Had the dopy solicitor called me in to supervise his job, I would have insisted that the entire area be treated as one.

@@wilsjane I would say after 45 years in business, that you would have seen this coming and walked away.

@@johnchristmas7522 When I an looking for a good tradesman outside my normal work area, a quick chat on the phone gives me a good idea about the quality of their work. On a few occasions when I sense a cowboy. I still invite him to take a look at the job. I just tell him to call me 30 minutes before he arrives, so that I can have someone to meet him and tie his horses up. I have not yet had a guy take me up on my offer. 😊

@@wilsjane Obviously the "someone else" is pertinent. During my business life I always insisted on a contract and stage payments. That way we were both protected

Thank you 🍻

Definitely! Some guy in a Porsce stood me up for an appointment withy sports coaching business, offered to pay me for my time anyway then told me he'd paid me twice and wanted his money back even though he didn't pay me a penny!

100% true!

Exactly what I tell people who want to go self employed, too true

You are spot on there

Absolutely, I had a builder at my old house and he said "it's like trying to get blood out of stone when asking rich people to pay you, people with little money pay you straight away".

If my brickie built a wonky wall, I'd expect him to put it right without it costing me extra in labour or material costs, not saying your dad's work was poor but just talking my own experience with poor trades people

@@fazillahi As someone who helped build a house from the ground up(I was part of the building team), and having had a client who had the nerve to deny payment for the whole thing under the pretense that he just didnt like it, (client is an architect, and the house was entirely made according to his project& design, from the foundation to the furniture), i can tell you, some people just have no decency or common sense what so ever. Needless to say the court case still goes up to this day, and we've finished the project in 2009.

@@fazillahi So would I ! Unfortunately in every case where someone tried to rip my Dad off; the brickwork was top notch. They just didn't want to pay. They were sure sorry though they crossed my old man when they were left with a pile of smashed bricks and mortar to clean up!

@@serbanindigo689 Why is the court case taking so long?

I love the sledgehammer idea! (Just don't end up in jail)

Thank you Rosemary!

In future refer him to RRP5007, a Rolls Royce visual inspection spec which specifies “1x vision or corrective vision at arms length. Also ask him is the lights are 1000lux at 12” distance from the inspection area. Even inspectors like myself wouldn’t use a magnifying glass on the floor! Ridiculous! ❤

Cheers Tam! 🍻

Good on your dad.

@@robertmorris2363 :-) In another instance, he was working on some high rise appartments. I don't know the details, but the place had to be finished by a certain day and the project was running late. I was helping him and his crew. All the trades were working frantically on this job - late into the evenings. There were tilers, carpenters, carpet layers all working on top of each other. I remember one instance in the foyer, where me and another guy were on ladders installing downlights, while the plumber was below us brazing something to get a fountain going, while the landscaper was tossing dirt and plants around him into the fountain thing, while a painter painted the walls... All at 9 in the evening. Anyway, the job finishes and everything opens on time - and the builder turns around and says to everyone "I will give you half of what I owe you and you can take it now - or you can take me to court and see how you go". Most of the little guys, operating week to week, just took what they were offered. My dad got together with the plumber and went to court. After a long fight, everyone got paid. (and the builder went broke - good riddance - one less shark in the sea)

I am so lost. What's a mick?

@snodgrass snod thanks! I didn’t know what the mick was either 👍🏼

Cheers!

Dignitas

Lol, I lived in England from 82 to 86, haven’t heard that phrase since. Good times 😎

Thank you!

You're spot-on..

it's a career that strongle appeals to bullies and narcissists. There's no way to escape either type unscathed

Thank you Kathryn

Agreed. Cheers Ron 🍻

You were lucky the bloody judge didn't give him 20 years to pay it off

good advice. more trouble than they're worth.

I just got stiffed by an attorney this week $1,200 of the hardest work I've ever had to do digging through cypress tree roots I wouldn't wish that on my enemy and then the jerk doesn't want to pay

@@ikeskifan lessened learned. Sorry about that. Should be disbarred by the bar association.

i do my DD. Never do work for lawyers anymore. Ive been stiffed 3 times. all 3 were lawyers. no thanks.

Record everything conversation photo and film the job have a written contract and or agreement no matter who the person is you can sue anyone we are all equal in law as long you have full name and birth date and the identity to the name lawyer don't know about laws that have codes and section and acts and rules these types of people want things done for nothing stealing from people greed that why they have more money stolen from people

There is a blackball list . . .anybody who is a solicitor.

My city has a list. Unfortunately I don't know where to find it 🤣

I will concur that . My dear chap ,!

great idea!! I may try starting something like this in my area..... awesome... lets contractors know when to require all or part up front or invest in their own materials. why should we take all the risk all the time while they get only rewarded. ty

Maybe not a black ball list, maybe a "bill them triple" list, but I like the way you think😁

Hi jsut question from a guy whos been painting for 20 years..do you have any ill health affects from painting or is it relatively safe in your estimation long term??

@@Canadian_Eh_I Hi, started when I was 15 yoa retired at 70 yoa, I don't have any health issues, I always made sure I wore a mask when spraying any product, the trade is as safe as you care to make it, remember you are your own health and saftey officer, Take care, Jim

Good advice

@@jimwalker5412 golden advice

A self employed electrician friend out here in the sticks sometimes finds it very hard to get farmers to pay bills for vital work on their farms, often for emergency repairs at very short notice. He tends to just give up on unpaid bills after a while to 'avoid unpleasantness'. I think it's pretty disgusting that some people, often well off, get away with exploiting working people. My father had a simple system for rogue payers for his business that seemed to work. After a couple of letters, he would visit or telephone them on a Friday and ask for payment by Monday lunchtime, or he would go down to see his solicitors on Monday afternoon. He'd politely remind them he always went to court for such things, had a cast-iron case and had done it a dozen times over the years and had never lost. Not only would they be forced to pay the money owed by a court order, they'd have to pay court costs as well. Thus a £200 bill would turn into a £600 bill, that could be enforced by bailiffs. Most customers paid on the Monday.

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There are three kinds of person that won´t pay all and get in a discussion. These are Lawyers or Solicitors, Architects and Teachers and thats also here in Germany.

"Making a very rich living out of other peoples' misfortunes and charging them handsomely for the privilege". Not all of them. A lot of solicitors only do conveyancing and buying a property isnt a "misfortune". You might complain about the fee but it's a LOT less than the estate agent!

@@gbwildlifeuk8269 You don't even need a solicitor for conveyancing, you can do it yourself. All the searches, all the paperwork, visit to land registry etc will be done by his secretary and he will simply rubber stamp it. And charge you full whack of course.

Yup I've had my bad non payment with lawyers in the US Also include family, they never pay

Or honesty, all lawyers get taught how to lie, how to lie convincingly, and how to swing any argument to the other side. For lawyers that do supposed conveyancing, you pay a hell of a lot of money just for a few papers to be signed.

A solicitor does house sales, advises on legal matter, draws up wills and contracts, all basic legal stuff. He does not go to court but prepares cases which a barrister argues in court. A barrister is a member of 'the bar' which is the register of barristers. Judges are appointed from members of the bar.

@@geraldlrstubbs Thanks for the clarification.

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GOOD FOR YOU but also think, that time in court is lost time-thats another expense. Sometimes you might win and then the judge gives them 5 years to pay it off! THE BEST, IS TO ARM YOURSELF WITH A CONTRACT-Wont sign? walk away. Then there is the other side, walking away may land you a better contract, which you would have missed if you had not left.

Well done!

This makes me feel better about my situation. Going to court as this massive state rental company stiffed me on an entire emergency pull station with remote dialing install. 40k USD they been saying checks coming for over a year now. Fuck those people. That job would have sustained me for most the year. Now I'm -40k and I did all the work.

@@xcreeseseater38 On that size of job, didn't you have a contract? Thats a lot money to pass off- I have to say, I couldn't let that just rest there.I'd probably go on holiday, while the boy'ohs paid a visit.

@@johnchristmas7522 oh yeah there was a contract for sure. thats why we are suing them now, after giving them some time as they said they would get it done ( we all know how that goes). The owner of the whole thing who works at the city said he would personally send us a check this week as he prob shit bricks when he got served papers to go to court. He thought the lady who needed to pay us did it the last time he told her to like 3 months ago, she didn't. We will see, i actually believe this guy as he hasn't really been involved and it would look really bad for city elections and such if he went to court for not paying city contractors. no one would work for them again without 100% up front.

I'm glad you liked it. I felt there was no way I could win, but at the same time, I felt that on the subject, I was clearly right and he was clearly wrong. Have a nice weekend!

I think they are so used to confrontation they just take it everywhere they go

I think they hope to intimidate, and if they lose and pay in the end it was worth the gamble. Look at insurance adjusters, they always low ball, really low ball the claim, many many people just accept it. Then there is me, 8 claims in my lifetime, I have never lost and always got what I was after. A lawyer would be no different, I would say bring it.

The reason the solicitors are considered the worst is due to the fact they know how to use the legal system. Most other dissatisfied customers would not be as confident and would not take it to the end.

moral of story don t work for solicitors they are scum lol

'Theft by deception' is a crime, and they can get away with it due to their previous 'standing' with the court system. CORRUPT!

Cheers Don 🍻

You look up solicitor in a dictionary and it's got a picture of an a$$hole

good job, whats that lawyer's name? you should let all the other Brits know not to call him for defense as clearly, he is incompetent lol

I'm sure it made him look bad (the solicitor}, and the court probably looked down on him knowing he was trying to abuse the system.

There is a law against people bringing malicious cases to Court. I think its part of the wasting the Court's time. There is a possibility that one of the reasons you won is that the Judge isn't a fool and may well have realised your situation. Well done. Just for the hell of it |I subscribed I hope it helps.

I was also thinking he put his career in jeopardy but professionals often stick together. If the media picked this up it would hit the fan.

It's called vexacious litigation however, in my experience, the Courts tend to bend over backwards to fall on the side of legal professionals, in order to ensure the integrity of the law profession.

2am in 25th December, but sure ain’t Santa!

Very naughty Santa! Lol

Ho ho ho. I'm half Greek and he is a tosser.

Love this , well done 👍🏻

Top man.

I have known quite a few and they are the most useless incompetent workers I have ever come across they are no more clever than the ordinary blue collar worker

Nope doesn't matter who they are, they're not above the law

@@glennbartlett416 And being a solicitor don’t stop you being an A hole.

@@peterdurnien9084 I think you mean being a solicitor doesn't guarantee they are an a-hole, but assume they are.

He sould of disapeared ppl go missing for 500 bucks these days. Got on ya mate

Going through something like that can be very stressful especially over a long period of time. Glad he got through it without any detrimental psychological damage. If it had of gone against him could well have been different. I agree well done for getting through it.

Once?

@@gingerleegirl6697 What do you mean?

Best not to get too emotionally tied up in it. Be as sure of your case as you can, and just wait. Law does look for "reasonableness" and things like trade practice. So in this case he came to the party and tried seek a resolution and other reasonable steps before taking legal action, which does help in any court case. Some tradespeople don't understand they can have a huge liability by taking money for work, things like having an extension cord stretched across a room an be a liability issue. If someone trips and gets injured you could be liable. Anything you do that causes some other problem might be a problem, since you are meant to know better and avoid certain pitfalls.

And always demand the full half payment! No exceptions no excuses no if ands or buts!

@@18wheeler77 100% if they try to change terms you KNOW they are shysters!! Walking away is always cheaper, and not just cash, but stress too. Cheers

@@joeshmoe7967 no doubt.

What’s this black list then? If I knew of one there are definitely some customers I’d put on there to warn other trades about

Yes. Also known as a parasite.

Thank you Geraldine!

Too true. Too true.

So true

Happened to my uncle he did an extension on a solicitors house

I take him to my court😜

Solicitor or not I'd get even when he's out😉

I remember the time I took three university graduate lawyers to court. They were from Johannesburg South Africa and I lived near a town called Bergville in Natal. I laid a charge against them and they said that was okay as the case would be tried in Johannesburg. When the policeman said no, the case will be tried in the Magisterial District Court of Bergville, the big shot of the three went white realising he'd forgotten basic court boundaries. I shouted out YES. This meant that each time he had to appear in court he would have to make the three hour trip from Johannesburg to Bergville regardless of how important a case he was dealing with.

@ivan schafeldt Probably did it to his plumber as well friends or not lol people like that normally keep pushing and dont quit while ahead, doubling down so to speak.

Sounds to me like he was a cocky brash solicitor who thought he could stitch people up because he knew the system. I hate bent lawyers.

Excellent result 👍 I think you could have claimed some extra costs for your time...

Cheers Tom 🍻

Thank you!

That solicitor is a crook trying to scam you. Well done standing up to the bully. Don’t feel bad, stand tall😎

@@dewindoethdwl2798 Solicitors are crooks. They all work together to take as much as they can from us. It's the case with many other agents that we employ to do work for us, sovereign beings, that we are more than capable of doing ourselves.

Many times l have heard about customers in the leagle profession knocking installers

Why not build in a switch you can control?

I can't take it. I've had many customers not pay for a few weeks and I want to do physical harm to them. They tell me they're going to pay 'tonight' so I go home and then 2 weeks later they've still not paid. All faith in humans lost.

@@garnhamr I host foreign students who are learning english.ive had to leave companies go as ihad to chase my payments .nothing is worth that stress.its also so disrespectful to people .it's undervaluing a persons work and effort.Its a false economy in the end as they usually end up having to pay more as nobody wants to del with them.

lol

Brilliant he had the right idea. Have remember the trick ck.

What happens when they do pay lol

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😁 cheers 🍻

🤣 ninja moves

What's your buddies name, does it begin with a P

that is top bollox.....fuckin awesome!!!!

In the UK that would have got you arrested-its called trespass. Your client has to give you permission to re-enter his property. Check it out, it might be the same in the USA and your buddy was lucky not to get prosecuted.

@@johnchristmas7522 Nope - in fact you could also have opened a case of unlawful possession/theft against the truant client as they had not paid for the goods.....retrieving them is not against the law.

Supertuna is right, biggest crooks on the planet.

" Re-present " in court. 🤔

I know some really nice solicitors, but they all do corporate work, none are involved in criminal cases.

Not all solicitors do criminal work. Unfair to tar them all with the same brush. People are people. There’s good and bad.

Honesty they have zero concept of

Canada too. Add people who got their money from inheritance. Best are actually entrepreneurs.

Thank you 🍻

Thank you!

There is such a thing as cash flow system and agreement everystep of the way. When people fails that then trouble can be ahead. First cash flow before I do the job, then when I do one room etc he signs it and says I like it if not I do not carry on this is the only way to protect one self in this crazy world.

I think I can be a bit stubborn. Which worked out for me in this case 😂 cheers Nico 🍻

I went 5 months being owed £5000. Was a bad time, I could have dragged the customer through the courts but they were very open about sudden money issues and they had to wait for a bank loan. They fully paid me though band it was a huge relief

It's weird that there are some services carried out by highly skilled people where payment can take place in stages over verbal agreements. You'd never go shopping and ask the shop if you could take it home and pay after you've ate the food and you'd never go to other shops and ask to just pay a deposit (unless there's a legal signing of 'on tick'). Yet trades unfortunately get shafted regularly when clients want a project fully completed for 25% up front cash. I'm sure people think you've all got surplus funds for materials. It's just daft.

Thats because you are a very honest and decent person that deserve respect

I thought most people were like this, obviously not

Exactly. These @rse-holes get a degree, go to law school, and then end up with a minimum effort job. Probably do a lot of cheating and bribing to pass exams too, so probably never done any real work anyway.

Love stories like this! Thank you for sharing.

Cheers David 🍻