I Tried Racing my Demon 170 Again and This Happened. So Frustrating! 

Crazy times we are living, when a 9 sec factory stock car is “disappointing” 😮

Thanks for the shout out Paul. Great to meet you and talk cars last week👍

You need beadlocks. Tire is possibly spinning around on the wheel. All you have to do to test this, is put a mark on the rear tires and on the wheels (a line) on both the wheel and tire, and if the line separates, then the tire is spinning on the wheel.

The fact the car runs consistent 9's spinning and not in the greatest conditions is wild. You'll figure it out!

I can't imagine how difficult it must be to launch a car with that amount of torque. Keep trying - you'll find what works. Just need to ignore all the 'arm chair' drag racers that think they know better 😂

It's funny Mr. X is not having a good night, but still pulling 9's 😂 that Demon is a beast!!

What an amazing thing to get to complain about! I’d be looking at different tires for more traction.

The CF wheels are cool but you’re probably gonna need a wheel & tire setup maybe some beadlocks on MTs!

Fastest vehicle i have ever driven had half the horsepower. 1979 Ford 475 cu.in. Pickup with a bored out, cammed and high rise intake with a huge holly on it and a race transmission. 12.5 quarter mile at 123 mph on slicks and in the real world you could punch it at 55 and smoke the tires and go sideways. It was frightening!

Mark the tire and rim to make sure it's not spinning on the wheel

I think it's time to go into the "launch torque setup" tab and start building out some custom launch parameters. Obviously preset A and B are too aggressive unless the prep is ideal. C is clearly too soft. I'd start building out something in between B and C where it's fully ramped in by 1.0-1.2 seconds or something. It's pretty cool you could build out settings for virtually any track condition so it will make a clean pass.

Man, I love my 2020 Dodge Charger Pursuit AWD 5.7L V8 with the W5A580 Transmission. With some mods, I am getting 415 HP and 425 Torque. With snow tires on I have taken on many 392's and have won on the race track. Since I took the limiter off, I can hit 173-175 MPH top speed. AWD is such a game changer.

You need 15" slicks with studs to stop the tire spinning on the rim.

This is Carl Rossler When I first raced my 2018 demon. The suspension was very lame like it was a stock challenger. I couldn't get it to hook or 60 foot. I Discovered that I wasn't Activating the drag mode. I Add it in high horse power but not drag. Mode, and was lame. It wouldn't transfer weight. I also have a 170 but I live in Ohio. And it's 2 snowy to use.

A guy in Dodge K car ( front wheel drive) was running 10.3 @ 137mph about 28 years ago. 😂 Your car looks better though, and is a little faster.

I'm kinda glad u gotta figure it out. You'll get it eventually. Just adds to the character of the car. Only few can handle the true power of the demon 😎😎

Popping a wheelie in a car. NEVER gets old.

Fun to watch! Boy does that engine sound awesome! Maybe practice the trans brake a ton of times, get the sequence and timing into muscle memory. I’m sure you will get the time you are shooting for👍

Absolutely loved this video. Very informative, lots of hot runs with burn outs, and the car is an absolute beast !! 😃

Ruffles have ridges, love those tires 👍

You'll get it down bud. Totally understand that the Demon 170 is a handful. Perhapse that 15" conversion will make things a bit more compliant. I can't get really excited about Plaids doing consistent runs all day long as it doesn't require any skill. The Demon 170 demands a lot from A driver. Watching a driver have the skill to tame that beast is more exciting to see than a boring 'ol Plaid running consistently with absolutely no skill required. Great video, bud!

Why do I like this racer x guy? Just seems like the coolest neighbor

It's sometimes a case of less, is more. They can put insane power in there, but if it can't hook up, it really doesn't matter. Seeing how hard it is to manage on a prepped surface, I can't imagine how hard it is to manage on the street on a cool fall day...

I have a 22 Challenger RT. Love it as a daily, and I've always wanted to take it to a track just for fun. Watching this video makes me realize I have no clue what any of these racing terms mean! And I know my RT doesn't have all the options you have. I'll learn eventually I suppose!

This is what owning a factory track car is about. Tune, tune, hair pulling, and more tune!

The fact you can transport that car to the 1970's....race ProStock and blow away Grump Jenkins is still amazing.

so im talking out of my butt here but what if you added weight in the truck instead of taking out the interior? would that keep the rear wheels down for better traction or would the weight just kill the potential run times...A part of me feels like you can get a better run with a car full of friends than alone spinning but what do I know lol

It all boils down to seat time, most people don't have the ability, time or funds to get hours of testing. The more runs you get,so you can learn the car itself and weather/track conditions doesn't happen overnight.

You problem is you are not running enough tire pressure. I have a 2017 COPO Camaro, and I was having the same issue with trying to hook. I brought the tire pressure up to 23, I am also running a drag radial, and BAM! With a drag radial you do not want to tire to wrap up, the car has to DEAD HOOK.

Everyone goes through some growing pains when they get a new car. Once you start to get dailed in you'll be ripping it up on the track. Ignore the negativity and stay focused 💪

Maybe try rolling into it a bit more if your not doing so. It kind of seems like you matting it to the floor right off the bat. Easy to say from the outside looking in. I'm sure your trying everything you can. Please keep the 170 content coming! I love it!

Paul I wonder if you should consider a different drag race tire? For sure that thing is off the chain from the hit brother!!

Come out this weekend for street car takeover, prep should be really good. Cletus is racing along with a bunch of others

based on our Comp racing....when you start seeing wrinkles in the sidewall, add air pressure. Also, look into a way to bolt extra weight above the rear axel.

Try launching at higher rpm ,just let leave ,let it transfer the weight then roll into it . Then figure out out much to let go before you can put down. Just so much power without more suspension upgrades going to be hard to put it down all at once.

I can’t believe how violent that car is?! Once you have the car dialled in, I think it May surprise allot people. The 170 will be legendary.

After removing the seats you should remove the doors and trunk lid. Then sand the paint and primer off the car like I did to my hellcat.. and you will pick up another another 3 10ths ! 👍

I would love to see you throw some belak wheels on it. 15 in the back and a real skinny up front. Along with some AAD suspension.

Gonna take more seat time to learn to tame the beast. I bet Andrew did want to run 😂. He is an animal in that car. Better driver than brooks even.

so basically like the previous demon, can't do what they say unless is extremely prepped :D

That’s our buddy’s RT with the hellcat blower! My hubby helped him work on some parts. Lot of hours and busted knuckles went into that lol I hope you did catch up with him! He’s an awesome guy

That car sat in the holding lot for a long time… think those tires are junk? Just a try. Lovin the upload!

I know the plaid is a tough competitor but man you can’t beat the sound of that demon 170 launching and running down the track! That’s what you can’t get with the electric cars. It’s a trade off that you have to want.

You should try a pure racing slick with a beadlock. The track prep you can't do anything about. I used to have a 69 camaro -800 hp, rossler tranny-transbrake-Coan converter. I launched the car at 4500 rpm on the transbrake and I could run 9.10's all day. This was on a track I knew they were too cheap to put the traction compound down.

You might want to check with your dealership if you're going with different Slicks regarding your factory warranty. Braking parts like axles, rear-end or drive shaft when using the car at the dragstrip especially with larger Slicks could void your warranty. My thought is Dodge uses this size of slick to reduce this from happening

I think from your experience you know what you need to change and you mentioned it at the end of the video! Looking forward to more content buddy.

I love this car and I’m so regretting not ordering one. There’s somebody around my neighborhood over here in Pinellas RacerX. He drives that thing around here 20x times a day all hours of day and night-it’s just screaming all the time. I keep trying to find him i haven’t been able to see him yet.

I feel the frustration. I'm trying to learn how to launch a manual transmission car but I'm about .5 and 3-4mph off from where other, similarly configured, cars are. Doesn't help I burned the clutch pretty badly on one run and maybe damaged the throwout bearing in the process. Anyway. Keep trying, keep learning. Meanwhile I'm pricing out a better clutch for my Vette...

You still did amazing work for a non-prep track. Goodness I wish the Demon 170 was all whee drive. It's all good brother.

Hey RacerX I saw you were trying low RPM launches but some suspensions require a hard high RPM launch to make axle torque help plant the tire! I don’t know how well that suspension is set up but if it’s any good you should have to leave harder to get it to work properly! Or back half that car and it will hook on the street!! Good luck sir I’m really hoping you get a solid run out of that car soon!!!

You are doing great. Love all the coverage of the learning process.

My little v6 Buick Grand National just went 8.78@158mph and drove it to the track with air conditioning electric seats full 3700lb car. All for 40k. 😅

It is definitely a learning curve with the demon 170. I’m glad that dodge made the demon 170 a challenge to handle because after all, it is a challenger. Nah but fr it's a car that makes you want to learn every aspect of the vehicle from how it moves to how it drives. its much better than an EV when all you have to do is smash the pedal and go. once you get it down on the demon 170 its gonna feel so much better that you actually tamed the demon 170. its an achievement that not a lot of demon 170 owners were able to achieve when most of them are either sitting in garages or still on the showroom floor

Man the 170 has a ton of power but it cant put it down. I do low 10s in my F90 with 700hp consistently on ever pass.. Hope you get it set up properly

Hang in there bro, you’llget it. This might sound stupid but i would say put that back seat back in there and add 4 well secured 45lb plates in the trunk right over the rear axle. You already have done basicslly everything that you can do to get traction but what you really need is weight over them rear meats. I dont think that those extra 200 lbs will slow you down because that car has the power to rotate the earth back a little lol 😂

Test n Tunes allow street tires & that kills traction! Private rentals are the best besides an Event. I've been following quite a few of 170 owner's. All of them say the Torque management is very tricky to use. The amount of Torque at the launch is incredible & most have to take power out. Track Prep is a must to get these car's into the 1.2 60ft area. Knowledge is key & keep practicing & you'll get there. 💪🏼👍😉

Def a 15inch rim with some larger soft compound would help a lot

I know this sounds crazy but i feel like Dodge should have gone out with two drivetrains for the Demon 170 one RWD while the other is AWD , or else it is almost impossible to beat the Plaid because the Plaid is a freaking fast electric ⚡space ship. honestly, even until today, the Plaid is unbelievably quick, that thing really caught us off guard😢

Bad ass content. Love seeing this monster get down the track.

I was at the track last weekend watching John force in the NHRA guys running last week. It’s a nice track came down from Maryland.😊😊

Well that's the age old problem, with high horsepower, high torque monster getting it to hook is always the most difficult part. Better track conditions, better tire combination, and more seat time behind the wheel, you will get better knowing what the car likes.

They should've made it AWD with RWD mode, just excuses when lower HP cars beat it, but it is beautiful and awesome.

with a 15 inch tire i bet you will hook a lil better. u need insane track prep and near perfect conditions for that car to run high 8s

G'afternoon from the high desert of the Southwest Idaho 🤠 . I'm a long time mechanic Gearhead and Motorsports Junkie & I absolutely agree with switching over to 15" rubber. Once you find a good tire and rubber compound in the car likes you'll have more sidewall to play with & if you were to add a good set of wheelie bars so you could really plant them I think it would make a helluva difference 🤓 .

Image trying to stop light race a 170 on the street! That would be a mess!

I'm enjoying the ride!!!! thank you!!!

Replace the seats and add two bags of sand behind the drivers seat and passenger seat.

Have you tried going down in tire pressures? I run 16.5 lbs (1500 launch) on my ET Street Rs for bracket and 18.5 lbs (1800 launch) when I’m trying to go fast in my Redeye. As soon as I hit 19 lbs, I break loose at the hit on pretty much all launches. I’ve made hits with Street Rs at 13-14 lbs on bad prep. I believe Mickey suggests a minimum of 13 lbs, so you should be able to take em down quite a bit still. I like what folks said about beadlocks too, I started running them and feel like it made a difference.

Maybe not the results you wanted but still looked like a hell of a ride. Enjoy. Thanks for the video.

my et street R's in the same size 60ft the best at 15psi Hot. Dont be afraid to lower the pressure. the lower the psi the softer the sidewall is it will absorb the hit better and give a bigger contact patch.

Honestly before you do a 15" conversion, I'd consider different tire compounds. I know they come with Mikey SS's but that is more of a street radial then a drag tire. Just my worthless.02

Need to add weight over the rear tires, get some bags of lawn soil and put 60-70 lbs over each tire in the trunk

After watching the video, the suspension is WAY to stiff. That car is not squatting at all. It needs to squat during the launch to let the weight transfer to the rear tires. Get lighter springs at least. Is it in drag mode? Im shocked its not squatting at all

Seat time is always key. Some 15s will help also test and tune nights prep is never the best but its just a learning curve you'll get it 😉

You need to face the facts, you need a 15" wheel and tire, more sidewall. Make that thing hook like it should on any surface, all hellcats have had this problem starting in 2015. You will be shocked at how much difference it will make, you could leave at max stall on the brake. It was Dodges way of keeping warranty clams to a minim, they understood that none of them would ever hook.

After removing the seats you should remove the doors and trunk lid, and send all the paint and primer off the car.. I did this to my hellcat and picked up 3 10ths 👍

Hoosiers on beadlocks maybe might be better? AWD Charger Banshee might be the one that beats them all, including Tesla plaid

Does the body motion on launch tell you anything important? It's literally rebounding off the ground after the initial deflection. That's when your traction gets interrupted, and then you are inclined to pullback on the gas, and then you lose time and acceleration. The rear springs are stiff to keep that deflection from bottoming out on hard launch, but maybe too stiff? Can't really change the springs, so that leaves mass and damping. You took out some mass, but that may have exacerbated the damping situation. It's become an underdamped system, where the spring stiffness has become overly dominant. It rebounds vigorously, which causes it to "bounce" off the pavement shortly after launch. So my guess is you need more damping to dissipate the excess energy that gets stored in the spring at launch. Not sure if the damping is more important on the compression or expansion stroke, but shot from the hip guess would be to bias toward more damping on the expansion. Still need some in both directions just to keep ahead of it in that short amount of time, but that expansion phase seems like a critical point to dissipate energy. How much? Enough to mitigate that post-launch bounce off the track effect, I think...

GM guy here.. Maybe reach out to Dodge & see if you can find out what PSI They were running their tires both front and back & what rpm they launched from.. We know track prep is also huge and besides, you're in hot humid florida ship the car to me 😁 I'm in Wisconsin I'll get that 8.9 quarter mile your seeking lol

I wonder about the Hurricane I-6. I think it needs a platform to compete with BMW and Mercedes. Both coupes and sedans. Put a battery boost in some to call them hybrids. I liked the 200 limited by Chrysler. Put the I-6 on that platform and lets give it a go. lol

I'm confident that you will perfect your launch, if you don't give up.

Those darn EV's!

Yup, That is what I thought, Better slicks!

Yes 15” tire / Rim conversion and wider socks on the rear end. 🏎️

9 71 that's bloody awesome still a fast car

You have to have the moon and the stars lined up (like Dodge did) to get the car to go 8's.

Racerx.... I noticed you didn't have the chiller system activated.... is that a track rule?

I say smaller wheels and slicks, put them in your trunk, change them at the track, but still insane how crazy fast the car it is even spinning

To get the most out of these cars AT THE TRACK you’re going to have to do suspension. The cars need so much more travel to separate and soak the torque hit. I get it, people don’t want to have to do that. But to get the most at the track you have to.

Unless they update the chassis to handle the horsepower it isn’t worth it. I get enough torque from a 5.7 Hemi and wouldn’t go any higher.

Try alittle less burnout. Soon as you see smoke, roll out in the burnout. You can actually get your slicks to hot and they will spin off the hit. Just something eles you can try.

So far no Demon 170 will race the Mustang Cobras. Like they are so scared.

I would get some beadlock wheels some welds etc and lower the tires down to 10-12 psi

This is the car Dodge should have given us in 2018 as a 9 second car because it runs consistent 9's easily, but instead they gave us a 10 second car that occasionally with the hand of God will get into the 9's. The Demon 170 could have been a consistent 8 second car if Dodge would have made it to be that (awd, etc) but instead they gave a 9 second car that will occasionally with the hand of God get into the 8's.

Still was fun to watch🤷🏽‍♂️………..we all know what it’s capable of! 😁

Looking at your video in slow motion at the launch,your driver side wheel want is to move forward meaning your rear housing not staying straight. Your need more rear suspension parts double adjustable rear shock ,rear poly bushing ect…. Dam that lower torque is gone maybe brake 😎💪👍something. I agree on a prep track no problem

I bet when Racerx finish he will able to beat u on a dirt road. Lookout Demonology!!!

To be a troll lol. So we all know that Racer X eyes are so blue that they put the sky to shame; HOWEVER, when he was doing his pulls, those eyes were looking a little brown 🤣🤣👁!

This car is a monster

Not entirely sure about this, but I remember you’re not supposed to put tire shine on slicks because it gets into the sidewall and slips the tire