I Tried The New Forza Motorsport on a Wheel... 

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​@@djentrification1631 it's not Gran Turismo to make you pay for random stuff, just cars. Features are there or not :))

Forza 9 be like: "The true new generation of racing. We have been hard at work for 6 years creating brand new driving physics and rebuilding mechanics from the ground up to give you the best, most realistic, and satisfying racing experience ever. As you can see, the wheel now has 361 degrees of rotation, something previously impossible"

​@@ClonesDreamand they'll promise once again that they've improved the feel on the wheel. (They won't)

@@doomer8949 They will once again use 15 year old car models as they were extremely busy creating 256x the details on the contact patch between rubber and road. Your car will still lose grip unrealistically and the FFB is somehow worse.

A lot of ForzaRC/LMES drivers normal steering on wheel because the lift off oversteer was so bad. Chris Esaki claims that's fixed, so we'll see how sim steering goes this time around

​@@Harmonic14lift-off oversteer can be corrected with tuning the differential settings. I think it's one of the reasons upgrading your differential in FM7 doesn't affect your PI (they were kind of making up for the need to correct lift-off oversteer).

@@jamesmoore7858you really think people are dumb enough not to upgrade the car… it’s a problem with forza FFB,lift and the car over rotates unnaturally

@@michaelgomez4994yep, I was a sub 400 leaderboard driver on older forzas and the wheel ffb was always a problem for me. its honestly the reason I switched to pc and even ps5 for gt7(which has its own problems in my opinion as well) Assetto Corsa and iRacing need to be the standard going forward.

@@OleMisss gt7 ffb has improved greatly since launch. ACC was nearly unplayable at launch for xbox. but doubt forza will update the physics or ffb. it is what it is type of thing bummer.

If you haven't already try sim steering on FM7. Fixes that problem completely

@@jackarmstrong7285 Thats the only way its playable so I'm speaking about that issue with that setting. And its clear it carries over into the new game thats supposedly better. I think its an issue with the devs lack of experience doing this. They're clearly missing something technical about delivering that particular aspect of FFB that many other games have achieved.

@@117johnpar well yeah normal steering is for controller and keyboard players. That’s why it feels bad on wheel lol. It dampens your inputs to make cars drivable on devices where you can’t do that yourself manually

​​​​@@jackarmstrong7285He is LITTERALLY talking about simulation steering on a wheel on how it still feels dampened which it does.

I think I prefer normal steering on fms7. I set my steering sensitivity to 550 and it's easier to drive compared to sim

Same

Yup; will likely decide if I buy it or not

Yep, if wheels are garbage I'll have to skip this game.

@@arg_9584how can wheels be garbage on a game just wondering

​@@65kgio25bad physics

They don’t have 180 steering anymore

@@Niggaihate what do you mean? It is literally in the video he talks about it… It only is 180 steering.

@@youcreateyourownstory as Schniebel said, its like 270º or 360º, cant remember right now, but the steering need to be set to "simulation". Apparently, Steve setted to Simulation on the end of the video, but did not tested it again.

Good view fits it more imo

​@@leonardowanderley5958He peobably meant 360 full rotation, which means 180 to each side. It used to go 90 to each side

Oh wow I didn't even notice that, has the game ever had a radar? That seems crazy

Kinda good though, I learnt to race in cockpit without mirrors and now it's not a problem because I can just predict where cars are gonna be, its a skill in race craft at the end of the day, even in real life you can't be in your mirrors all the time, to an extent you have to guess/predict where other cars are gonna be and therefore you change where you position your own car

@@justamanchimp dont matter , mirror is necessary

​@@justamanchimpwow, what a way to say you don't know anything. Who is in their mirrors all the time, how the hell can you drive like that in the first place? WTF do you mean predict where the other car will be? If you didn't see them make a move when you checked your mirror, then how would you predict which way they are going to attack? Don't know where you learned your race craft but it sounds like you only race against ghosts.

​@@justamanchimpalright then max. 😂

Really? GT7 does not have that? Also as a FM7 player I hate that view LMAO :D Because there is no way to see mirrors and the "forced" one is also not available in that view, which seems to be the case in this game. I use only the view with wheel and mirrors, and do not use cars where I can't see mirrors even if its the wheel view, because there are some cars like that... edit: also remember that FM games does not have a radar. I want radar so bad!!! Why do we not have one????

Yeah that view is best when you have a cockpit setup, just seeing your hands and wheel in front of the dash

Roof/hood cam is all u need in a racing game every other view just sucks

@@user-is2mj2ig4v I don't mind the hood cam either, but the inconsistent hood/roof cam in GT7 drives me nuts lol

​@randybobandy6020 yep sometimes it is low other times its like you're standing on your roof

This problem no longer exists in this Forza.

Kind of look like it does just from the video. @@rAtableable

​@rAtableable Can you confirm that or are you just blindly listening to the same devs that claimed they fixed these issues in the last few games?

Well hokihoshi said he found a decent setting after lots of tweaks

FH5 was already a massive improvement over FM7 and FH3/4, so I'm cautiously optimistic that using the wheel will be at the very least fun even if not true sim level.

Forza models are off from real models gt7 is way more accurate we already know this

@@user-lq6vm8yt4h Who has driven the cars back to back yet? How could you possible know GT7 is superior at this point?

@@MrLathor because forza uses old models its already been confirmed including the fact gt7 uses far more detailed models since already since gt sport

@@user-lq6vm8yt4h I was not at all referring to graphics. I was literally talking about the model of vehicle as specified by the manufacturer and the physics that will define how it drives.

@@MrLathor both are better on gran turismo im sorry its the truth bro im not even playing i have played both games gt7 wins hands down

Y gt7 on pc when there's far better Sims racing games on pc already 🤔

​​​​​​@@briarios666it's just approachability. Theres hardly a game that can attract the sort of player base that Forza does, especially since it will both be on game pass and be cross platform. For casual players with a ranked system, you won't have to worry about being smoked by veterans. For the more skilled, highly experienced, you get shorter queue times. If nothing else, I feel like this could be a good gateway for getting into the iRacings, Assettos, AMS' etc of the world - especially as it will be able to attract controller players since it has played well on it historically already.

I was very much hoping this with passion. Until I learned today that multi-player will be capped at 60fps. Which is shocking, and actually a deal breaker for me.

Yea, in FM7 if someone hit you - it was game over. Maybe some master drivers could avoid spin out - I couldn't. But what I saw on some other youtuber video was that in this game they somehow made it that the attacker gets the biggest effects not the victim, as if car that gets hit is heavier than the hitter. That gives me a lot of hope for this game!

Its called forza for a reason. Force off the road to win.

How about the freaking devs doing this instead of giving 30 damn sliders and wish you good luck thats not what i would call good wheel support we get the same sliders and setting in games like the crew 2 and motorfest... these settings alone hint on it being more of a arcade style game... In gt7 you plug in your wheel adjust the streng of the ffb and you drive off THATS IT and it just works and feels great why cant forza devs get that to work

@@user-lq6vm8yt4h oh idk oh yeah they want you to tune it to your liking every person is different

​@@topgun1457Well I think he means they should at least have a standard setting that isn't going to require you to pull up Internet to figure out how to set the steering. It's the developer who needs to ensure the standard setting for wheels is user friendly because this is still a damn game.

@@topgun1457 you can tune the cars to your liking why should i also tune the damn wheel physics myself, it doesnt make sense if they want to make a more serious game aimed towards gt3 type of racing and so on people will want to drive on wheel but forza gives you a hard time doing it exactly what the other guy said you need a a standard setting gt7 doesnt even have all these sliders IM GLAD IT DOESNT your always gonne wonder does my car setup suck or my wheel setup certainly in the beginning when the game is brand new ... i just cant understand this 8 games in and they still let you do the work

​@user-lq6vm8yt4h imo I have the best wheel settings in the game considering me and probably the fastest guy in the game on the wheel made it and I'm pretty sure it will work on the new game now I can share it but idk where to share it

thank u so much brother these settings work perfectly for me in the new game

I think you just need to come to fact even that doesnt do a lot he tried simsteering on the subaru in the end it didnt change much its just not on oar with gt7

@@danielstokker Never played GT7 so I don't really have a first hand opinion on it but just from watching gameplay the cars move around in an incredibly unrealistic manor especially during collisons. They seem more like toy cars than real ones imo

no, I don't think forza has "factory" options like a game like assetto corsa would, so you'd have to change your settings based on what you're driving if you want a more sim like experience

You shouldn't be afraid of these games. Sim doesn't mean hard. In fact iRacing became more realistic by making cars more forgiving when you overdrive them after real life racing drivers critiqued the game lol. Of course there are cars that will always be hard to drive, but you can stick to easy ones.

​@@SergeeeekTo be fair iRacing is pretty bad, i don't mean gameplay wise (never played it) but money wise, you have to pay a subscription to play, you have to pay for tracks, you have to pay for cars, its insane that you cant just buy the game and play it..

" but I'm not hardcore enough to go for AC or iRacing " What does this mean?

He doesnt want to sweat every race. He wants to have a casual racing game with believable racing and physics. What do you mean what does this mean?@@talon1706

​@@talon1706it means he wants an experience that's easier to get grips with instead of heading straight into a full blown sim where he will have to dump a ton of time into (in iRacing's case money as well) before having any fun.

I agree. The default wheel setting for Forza are so bad. I tried several different setups from others until I found one that I liked. It was an absolute game changer

The point is it shouldnt be this way to begin with

And thats why gt7 will still take the crown sony is far more innovative with both console and games thats true innovation something microsoft just doesnt seem to do

VR is the reason I will be sticking with GT7. Really seems like a missed opportunity by Microsoft.

I couldn’t even go back to forza horizon 5, a very different game entirely, just cause the vr is so much more fun

Yeah this game is full of weird choices. Its a simcade title that is trying to be user friendly yet you have to tweak 20 slider to achieve decent wheel experience. Devs are saying its reboot of the series, its called just FM without number 8 yet there is a lot of very dated car models. It has been 6 years from the previous FM, yet basic features like spectator mod and must have tracks like Nordschleife are missing. The game is marketed as a flagship racing game for Xbox, but its included in game pass at day one so devs have to implement car levelling system to ensure people will have to spend a lot of time in the game, more time in the game = more time paying for subscription. As a whole it looks like quite a mess to me.

@@vvs6433 if the core gameplay i.e the actual driving and racing experience is good I'll get it. I couldn't care less if some JDM shit box doesn't have 10 trillion polygons, nor do I care about Nordschleife which is an absolutely awful track to race AI or other people on. But stuff like the FFB and the physics are core gameplay, they HAVE to get these right. I've put in hundreds of hours in GRID legends. It's far from a great game, fairly buggy, graphically not nearly as impressive as Forza or GT, but it's core gameplay mechanics were solid.

@@randomfaca Well S15 and Evo are beloved car ikons and using 18 years old very inaccurate models of those cars is just embarrassment for any AAA racing game. But I am not trying to judge the game right now. I just say that many of the design choices seems very weird to me. In FH5 and GT7 are features and mechanics I don’t like, but I understand why devs implemented them and its always fitting the overall theme and target audience of those games. New FM is much more schizophrenic in this regard like its trying to be user friendly simcade, devs talked about tuning the wheel experience to G29 because that is the wheel most of Forza players use, but those players have to tweak very detailed wheel setting menu to achieve some decent experience. I am pretty sure that casual player with G29 wont even understand most of those sliders.

@@vvs6433 no one but weebs gives a fuck about Silvia's. sorry to burst your bubble

@@randomfaca BTW Nordschleife is great for any kind of racing, just check some of the Super GT videos form GT7 or real life racing on that track. Its a track that can single handedly keep players playing any racing game for hundreds of hours same as there is many ring rats in real life that spend massive amount of time and money to enjoy the track. There is entire part of automotive industry focusing on tweaking sports cars just to be ring-ready etc. I understand you don’t like it, but that changes nothing about Nordschleife being essential part of any proper racing game.

Also, thanks for putting in the time to give us these early looks at the game.

“Serviceable” isn’t a good descriptor for a new game. Wish they would spend fewer resources on looks and more on the actual driving itself.

​@@matttondr9282if you wanted less looks why not just go to iracing. Best sim there is.

@@matttondr9282 That's all games now, unfortunately. More and more effort goes into making shiny "content" they can flex rather than gameplay mechanics or overall functionality. Someone remarked on SuperGT's previous Forza video that the constellations in the night sky looked accurate. So... AI is still janky and the physics are iffy but hey FINALLY someone addresses the simcade elephant in the room -- inaccurate star mapping!!! 🙄

@@matttondr9282 Perhaps our definitions of serviceable differ. To me, serviceable doesn't mean 'bad', it just means there is a need to fine tune settings to get the most out of it. Honestly, even more dedicated racing sims like ACC or iRacing, etc. also often require setting/FFB adjustments so I wouldn't say it's fair to blame Forza for not having a "one setting fits all". I'm not sure it's possible with all the variables. Adjustments aside, Forza's underlying physics simulation is good and the cars do behave in a logical manner, once you're able to feel/understand how your inputs translate to the cars' behavior. Even down to the accurate differential behavior, especially with open or partially locking differentials, sending power to the wheel with less traction, and spinning it up, exactly how you would expect it to do irl. Or how the engine behaviors accurately simulate dyno graph power/torque bands based on RPM. Alot of these intricacies often get overlooked "because Forza", which I think is abit of a shame. An unfair "arcadey" stigma is put on Forza games, because 9 times out of 10, people don't take the time to "figure it out", they end up overdriving the cars resulting in odd or "overly slippery/driving on ice" behavior, which is then perceived as 'arcadey'. The default "numbness" of the FFB is partly to blame for this as well, no doubt. If people give the franchise a chance, I think they'll be pleasantly surprised. 😄 I've managed to get my FH5 settings to feel like hydraulic power steering irl, and I've enjoyed the driving and drifting tremendously. If FM7 is anything like that, and then some, with added improvements, should be alot of fun too.

Rev lights don't work on Xbox

Its been 8 games they should have been there already dont you think

Just like they did with FM7 right

They won't

The word hopefully is key.

@@danielstokkerthey don’t focus it because it’s a console player game made for controllers.

mate do yourself and your wheel a favour and go play assetto corsa. you'll thank me afterwards. Even AMS2 that uses the same engine as project cars is infinitely better. You're welcome... :P

@@JAKLAR79 i have assetto but on console is pretty lacking, i like project cars because of how good it is for a console sim in the time it came out and its better than the next to entries on the IP

@@bycoxtax8562when i played on console i found asetto corsa competizione to be the best sim if u havnt tried it

Seen a few other videos on this and it seems its still an issue. Moza wheel lights didn't work either if that makes you feel better :P

@@JAKLAR79 Buttons and dials don't work on Thrusmaster wheels either !

even for free, not worth my time.

Yeah, or skip it outright and wait till they actually reboot the series and actually make things from the ground up, because has turned out to be one big fat lie so far... a waste of 7 years of messing about it seems...

Sames.. Last FM I played was Fm5. That says alot doesn't it. Sure I tried 5&6 but apart from the looks FM doesn't quite add up in any way..

Fantec and tm have always been the forza chosen for wheels. And if they feel crap out the box is very poor . Just another arcade pad game. Yawn

@@craigwalters-cwdomesticplu5709this whole last year I’ve had to hear how this one is gonna be different and it’ll destroy GT7. It’ll be as good a sim as Iracing but free on gamepass! For my casual simcade racing I got gt7 in VR even then though, it’s only one or two races then it’s back to PC and ACC.

Huh, good to know. I gotta go in and change that when i get the chance

Centering spring should always be fully off, it's a completely artificial force that just makes the steering heavier the further you turn.

@@meekrab9027 vehicles that are moving want to naturally straighten their wheels. Having it on to some degree makes the experience more realistic

@@TheAstraios Any decent game's force feedback already takes that into account.

​@@TheAstraiosthat's so wrong. No sim would have that on. 😅

Gt7 is better

Same in every cock put view even in gt7 only changes when playing vr, although it's a non issue with the outs car view in Forza, it does seem to only be static in cock pit

If your not faster with a wheel it wouldnt make much sense

You do realise that Fanatec products are hundreds and hundreds of dollars/pounds, right? People aren't going to shell out that amount of money to play a single game unless they're really into it to begin with lol

@@WardenOfTerra Also he doesn't take into account the load cell pedals and rig which costs another £600.

@@WardenOfTerraHow many other games on PS5 use sim gear? It’s pretty much 1, so what are you on about?

@CAL1MBO spent well over that and honestly my asetek wheel base isnt officially supported neither are my pedals

Yeah it needs to be set to simulation for a wheel

As does the majority. It's the perfect game for that. The loud minority wants this to be a full blown sim which it will never be, nor aims to be. And that is completely fine.

If you even want a good game to play on wheel dont play forza the wheel support is just bad

@@user-lq6vm8yt4h these Sony trolls are even too lazy to read the first sentence. It's getting ridiculous

Same, while I don't expect a classic, Forza games are always playable for me.

Get gamepass

Stop preordering, wait for the launch and then make your decision Don't give your money on empty promises

​@@vukovicore1030yeah thats kinda why i want more videos....

​@@vukovicore1030it's been mostly empty promises, outright lies and horrible decisions so far...

never preorder. steal aaa games.

And probably not absurd levels of front end grip + braking

If it's like FH5, I'll skip it. Steering in FH5 is terrible. I don't understand why anyone would want to do these games without a wheel. FH4 has better steering than FH5, with a wheel. Now, I'll use a controller if I'm not racing.. for drifting and such. I'll give this a go, but if the steering sucks, I'm done.

Good point, most games need years of update to get it "right". BUT.. they are on record saying they hand tuned every wheel to feel the best in game. Tire models this, tire models that. yeah yeahhh 🗣🗣🗣

"Maybe it will be better with updates" is ruining gaming, IMO. We should expect more than "promise" in our AAA titles.

The devs themselves touted how the physics are completely revamped from the ground up and the FFB was gonna be a game changer. They told us a bunch of BS. It’s still the same game just prettier.

@@kellymerrellfilms I mean I agree but it’s never going to change at this point

And 55 updates to go with that…

The polish in GT7 is ridiculous, that’s why you see all the flaws in other games. I will say the enviormemts on FM look amazing, but man the car models are hideous, almost to the point they look like mobile game models, especially the AI, but I get it, console game so there has to be cuts to keep a crisp 4K/60.

​@disracenboi336 I'm not sure how true this is but I've seen videos that to add cars to this game, they took models from older titles and just gave then a graphics update which would explain why some cars look better than others.

lol what? you’d rather pay real money for your cars? 😂

Thank you so much. Much better review than this: it's definitely playable and am pleasantly surprised. What's that even mean?

I have the same feeling about the game. It looks to me like FM 7,5 not even FM 8 and definitely not redefinition of the franchise. I really dont underestad why it took them 6 years to make this game, not to mention missing basic features like spectator mod, or must have tracks like nordschleife.

I think your spot on and it still cant co.oete with gt7 certainly with pkaystation having full VR in the entire game now most wont put that down to play this

​@@vvs6433maybe it didnt and they were lazy for like 4 years and th3n started soing stuff 😂

While I think you're being harsh, I also don't think it's gonna be a classic due to mixed messages. They talk about players only using 10 cars but then ship it with 500 using older models. When its not a fixed sequel, so they could have started with less cars and events and added more over time. But we really don't know the budget or size of the team. And it's probably more like 4 years due to COVID?

Did you watch the second half of the video? When I spoke of the lack of FF, I was talking about my initial feelings on default settings. Not an absolute final declaration.

​@Super_GT I think you should do another wheel video mate with dialed in settings, so you give a true reflection of how it plays on a wheel.

GT7 has some of the worst FFB on the whole racing genre. What are you talking about. FM7 FFB is already better than GT7.

@@briancoogan7732the best FFB is in real sims

I agree 1000% the didnt live uo to the hype and it cant even compete with gt7

@@briancoogan7732huh? I can’t ever get fm7 to feel right with my wheel. Gt7 is easier to adapt to. Could be just me?

Did GT7 look much different from Gt Sport?

​@@mrwalker6026 GT7 wasn't advertised as being "built from the ground up" at least

@@MrShidPasta maybe if they added new car's for $30 real money each shortly after launch they could say the microtransactions were justified to reflect the cost of real life inflation 🤣🤣

@mrwalker6026 fair point, will still gladly enjoy the regular and free dlc's for gt7 though, isn't there already a paid car pack for FM8 before release?

@@MrShidPasta I've enjoyed GT7 but I've literally exhausted all facets of the game and I'm ready for something different.. I'm just happy to play another racer with realistic track's