The Main Issue with Forza Motorsport Multiplayer 

Update 1.0 has just dropped and attempts to 'correct' the issues outlined in this video. Let's see if that works out...

My biggest issue is that safety and skill ratings seem to mean absolutely nothing when it comes to matchmaking

Aren't spec races supposed to all have the same cars with no upgrades? Upgrades should be left for the PI class races where it's up to the player to pick their most competetive car for the class. Edit: so this was apparently the spotlight event for the early access? In that case you'd have an entire week to tune the cars if you wish, or play the spec races with no upgrades allowed as I expected. Personally, I think that's a good mix but idk

Here's hoping we start seeing skirmishes between the haves and have nots. Roaming convoys of lvl 1 proles working together to take out anything with a spoiler and turbocharged bourgeoisie on turn one.

Clearly the tuning differences are an issue nobody could possibly ever have anticipated.

The car upgrade system is just not well thought out. I really don't understand why they changed.

Fitting ending. Half cooked games are Turn 10s specialty at this point

I still don't understand what they did in those 7 years

My biggest issue is that the shadow realm has the ability to take on a physical form in this game. Absolutely horrifying.

This was the open series I believe, the spec series gives a selection of cars that are all evenly upgraded and can’t upgrade them and are all equal 👍

Would love to see SuperGT take on the EA WRC game. Not even multiplayer but a couple sessions of flat out rally

Spec races should only be tunes and not upgrades to avoid this issue. The GTX series was this way and it was great! I think the idea behind this upgrade system was that a year from now a lot of the cars are leveled up etc. It still makes it too hard for new players to get into the game to be honest. I think they should give you tokens or something for career and multiplayer race rewards based on your placement that you can use for car levels. This small change would make a big difference and let you set up a car you want to use while you do other stuff

Partly why I'm focusing on the SP career and featured cups before I go near multiplayer. At least that way I'll have a fair number of cars at a reasonable level to take into the multiplayer side of things. And for cars that pop up quite often that the builders cup doesn't use, I take them into rivals and level them up that way as you get tonnes of car XP and money doing rivals.

The upgrade system has been changed in the update that rolled out today. Car parts unlock at a much lower level now. Really enjoy the Forza Motorsport content btw 🤓👍

I agree you should be able to upgrade separately in multi player. However there are plenty of spec races.

Half of the fun I had on Forza Horizon 5 was building cars to meet to requisites of each race, find the right car and tune it on the way I like to drive it, this Car Leveling is a very weird design. If they wanna make the game work, they have to change that. Car Points I find nice tho, the fact I'm not spending, but just allocating, weird they force you to grind in one side but not on the other..

Somehow the developers got the wrong memo and designed a Pokémon game, only changing the theme to cars halfway through when they got the right one.

The biggest problem is that users can't create races or race series. You have to play whatever selection T10 gives you that week, with 25 or 30 mins between races (but actually hours if you're waiting for a specific event). Many of the races force default cars, so if you've upgraded and tuned the car it's returned to default. There's entry rules for each car, with some cars allowed more PI, some with ballast added - if you want to tune offline you have to know the rules of every online race for the cars, which is impossible. If you buy and tune a specific car it may well never be usable online. The Safety Ratings/penalties are useless too - everyone is shunting with impunity. It's shunt or be shunted - if you race fair you'll be abused - and there's no 'no collisions'/ghost events. Avoid online, and the career mode (boring, few car choices, no using 1 car with different builds) and Rivals (exit Rivals to tune!) is all that's left. Some of the achi's are total grinds, and few will get £10k from tune/design sales achi', especially as the game will be dead soon, and fully dead once it's removed from GP.

I like the way you explain and elaborate on the issues. Makes me understand exactly what I am getting into if i buy the game

so you are telling me that in a spec series there are different PI cars in the same lobby. That's like someone turning up to an F2 race with a F1 engine in the back in an F2 car.

On PC sometimes the world will disappear from under you and you're just racing in space

What a nail biting end to the last race. So much suspense.

"Built from the ground up" said the game with bugs that have been around since Forza Motorsport 4. The multiplayer format is great and FRR is better than ever, but the game is so unpolished it harms the experience 😢. I've been loving it though

There’s loads of main issues with this game. People who side swipe you down the straights but don’t get penalised is a big one.

My favourite part of Forza is that it pushed me to finally give simracing a go. RFactor 2 is getting new, easy to pick up online mode with safety and driver rating and i’ve been having brilliant fun. I really wanted to love Forza, but for me, I was getting 60 fps with raytracing on and DLSS on balanced in single player, but online was low res, low detail with horrible framerates. The new nvidia drivers solved framerate issues, but the game still run in low settings. This game wasn’t ready for prime time.

The way leveling each car works should have never applied to MP. It's a disaster and the #1 reason I'll never consider this game. It didn't even enter the ring with GT Sport lol.

Can we appreciate SuperGT's commitment? I wouldve rage quit a good couple of times 😭

This isnt a spec hopper. There are spec hoppers (GT, Touring, and spotlight) where builds are preset and only tuning is allowed, and open hoppers (PI class and spotlight) where upgrades are allowed. This was the spotlight open hopper during week one.

The upgrades turned your car into an apache helicopter, based on those shadows.

Main issue, Players have no idea of motorsport rule. They get angry when overtaken and ram you just because the game allows it, there is no server with assist off so you have player doing stupid line and weird braking with almost o impact on the outcome.

What were they thinking with this game?

My first ever multiplayer race in this earlier... Did the whole practice qualify blah blah blah.. The race starts and my arms teleport into the sky and i get a birds eye view of everyone else INCLUDING my car drive off around the first corner. All the cars came back but mine never drove past ever again.

The horizon driver's have joined us that's where the biggest issue developed. It was really good pre official release for the people that pre ordered. Also just a letdown of a car selection and old models from a decade ago plus. They need to take the game seriously or have a huuuugeeeee game patch worth 20+gb to fix things

We have another problem. Offline / single player races does not have an option for accelerated tire wear and fuel usage like online races has. I went to race -> free play -> advanced event setup. Chose a gt3 car (race tires). I then selected circuit race with "event format" set to LONG. This gave me 15 laps around Lime Rock. Which is not long. However and i quote the information on LONG events: "A race with extreme distances and multiple pis tops. Fuel & tire strategy is essential". I did the full 15 laps just to test with SOFT (!!) race tires. The result after a full race where strategy would make all the difference. Well, soft tires tire wear was 17,4%. Meaning i could have done between 80-100 laps on soft tires.. In other words single player is pointless at this time. Not to mention that my pc with a 5900x cpu, 3080gpu and 32gb ram ran the game between 30-40fps in 4k om medium to low settings. The gpu and cpu doesn't even get hot.. The same pc runs horizon 5 between 100-144 fps on 4k ultra. And that game actually looks good and doesn't have pop-in issues and doesn't fail to load textures.

My issue is how much the safety rating goes up and down. Mine dropped from s to b from one race, granted I was annoyed and maybe smashed a not very nice guy off, but getting it back is insane. Every time I've gained a level, I get smashed into and I get the penalty and dropped a level again.

If you think about it, the fact that you gotta level up to upgrade your cars is a good way to get a player more familiar with their car of choice. Work your way up to understand your car benefits, necessities, and what to do with tuning along the way of leveling up and upgrading.

I knew the Achilles heel of this game would be the car leveling system the second I saw it. No idea how they didn't see it would be a bad idea. All they needed to do was poll community members about the system and they'd have their answer whether to implement it or not...

the AI driving assists thing really annoys me. the other day i was starting a multiplayer race and some player's car rammed me into a wall the very first second of the race and completely ruined my chances of being competitive for the rest of the race. im okay with it in freeplay but in multiplayer it just rams into other players like they dont exist (just like the AI in single player do).

Viper on Viper violence? DESPICABLE

The thing you pointed as being a disadvantage of the game I consider a big plus. If you're new to the car you should learn it, while staying behind people, who are racing. It doesn't take that long to level a car. The exploit should be patched.

I kinda like that you start out with nothing. It adds this feeling of you don't NEED first place. Just outpace what you can. I enjoy tuning and the progression. We seriously need to be careful with how much criticism we give with the new features they gave us. Back 4 Blood started off with an amazing idea. A roguelite-FPS-Deckbuilder. After a bunch of players complained, the game turned into a FPS-Deckbuilder, completely losing the roguelite and progression aspect of a run, because players didn't like how their L4D replacement had mid run progression. They completely removed it and the game flat out died. Community feedback is great, but dangerous. I think if we complain too much about how "progression is bad" in this scenario, they may not read into it and they'll just remove it all together. No more progression in multiplayer. We're going in a great direction as of now, lets not try and tell them its bad. Maybe give some fixes rather than "People are higher level in their cars and they beat me. I don't like it." I think the best suggestion we can give is FIX MATCHMAKING. Prioritize keeping the same class with the same class. Make the rating more important and flexible. Make safety rating more strict and penalties "smarter." PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, push for fixing matchmaking, not removing or destroying what progression they gave us. Love ya Super GT, just scared of another Turtle Rock Studio deal.

They really need to fix the general color, full clear daylight is too dark yet the track is too bright in other areas.

I find that the car level system is fun, but only in career mode. Going through a cup with a level 1 car actually has you understanding how the car behaves and you get to make interesting decisions as to what to upgrade with a limited amount of money. But outside of career mode, yeah, it is more of a nuisance than a fun mechanic and having things locked up to level 50 is painful when career only gets you to 20-25.

Would be fairer if self drive wasn't an option and we went back to fully credits based upgrade system.

The main issue I have is that they elected to not allow the ability to add AI cars in a private multiplayer game. That is how I always played FM4 and I had no idea they had removed it in 7 and now this iteration. Steam denied my refund as well once I discovered this.

Great video & Great Win. Regarding the Assists.. they need to make the Throttle Assist fail to work once there's been like 10 seconds on inactivity. It's ridiculous to have an ability in game to just put the controller down and go make a cup of covfefe :D

Steve hope you’ve been well! ❤ We’re all force to do that afk race just to level up lol it’s a shame but it’s all about “player engagement” 😂

5:00 - It's nice to see the reflections on the back window working as intended

It would be kind of cool if they did the full sized races, but categorized each players car level so you are only really racing against the people in the same car level as you. I hope that made sense lol

The second race ending with the game crashing is just the chef's kiss to match the experience I've had. Online not always being available or the game as a whole crashing to desktop/dashboard.

I do not agree with this criticism, because in real race tuned cars would just smoke stocked ones, and the progression system, especially for newer players, would give them time to understand how a car works and which parts for which circumstance are necessary. The penalty system needs some work for sure. But tuning in races is fun. It just gives you that RPG feel, where when you spend enough time with your "character" in that case car. You can feel the progression and the upgrades you make on it. Certainly something I like in this game more than any other racer!

The game has tremendous potential, but for me, the physics are a deal breaker. As it stands, the cars just don't behave the way real cars do. The information from the road through the tires feels vague, and the cars slide a little more than irl. Everything feels mushy and imprecise. It's just my opinion, so fan boys, please don't get offended.

This game is hot garbage and I'm glad I wound up avoiding it. My fears were confirmed and this appears to be yet another miserable installment in this addled, aging, repackaged game. Gran Turismo is my home for the foreseeable future.

Had the same problem with the Viper and i thought im completely shit 😂 but good to hear that

It's insane that this exists but multiplayer is locked to 60fps for "competitive integrity"

my very first experience of multiplayer this time round was getting a 4 second penalty for the car I was following slamming on their brakes in the middle of a straight for no apparent reason and hitting them into a spin as a result as I tried to dodge out the way. Thanks game, very nice

Maybe before you enter a hopper, you just test drive the car a little and level it up that way.

I see 3 solutions to this issue. 1. Get rid of unlocks behind levels. 2. A special series is a special series, give everyone the same car. 3. Dynamic car power level grouping. Ie, only put players in lobbies with similar upgrade level cars. Seems 2 me that 1 is a fundamental part of the game, so wouldn't change. 2 would be the easiest to implement, but I can see people getting bored of it quickly. And that leaves 3. Covers alot of bases, but would still run the risk of the exact issue if there aren't many people playing the game mode.

I'm enjoying forza, especially multiplayer. I'd like to have seen a stats page though showing how many races and podiums you have.

9:10 Dude realizes he is about to lose and does admittedly skilled tactical punt to prevent you from getting ahead too much in the corner and then use his straight speed to win the race. Thank good you won that lmao!

My biggest issue is having a full time job makes this game that much harder to play. I think the devs haven’t taken people with jobs into account as we only get a few times a week to play at most, which means people will slowly stop playing the game as they can’t keep up

The issue isn't the tuning system, the issue is them putting a playlist like this on where you have to use the same car but with different tunes.

I loved the first week viper spotlight, because of the aspects you critizised - the way it makes you start with a level 1 car and gradually level it up to a grid-dominator was very satisfying for me. Took me back to early racing games with the whole start out weak, work your way up mentality, in miniature form (it only took 5-10 races). And the next time S class opens roll around, you have a dodge viper to bring, that you've already made memories with!

I liked the video cause it's you, yet I've had zero issues racing my race. Love you dude.

I was hoping you'd found time for the GT7 Nordschleife race, it was a real banger. I know Forza is new and I'm not saying it's a terrible game, there are definitely a few interesting ideas going for it, but some of the decisions (like having tuning in "spec" series) are incredibly confusing to say the least.

Driver: murder another driver FM stewards: what happened? Driver: miss breaking point and goes off track by 1 pixel GT7 stewards: 3 hours penalty

is it me or have we gone back in graphics?

I'm not a virtual driver just yet, but I do race a lot in karting. Gonna buy an Xbox next month and install Forza with ACC, hope it will be fun + it's interesting to watch, so I guess I should post it too 🤔🙂

I think the idea of the car level system is great in career mode. I also think separating upgrade currency from car purchase currency (car points) is a great idea. But given this game/s multiplayer identifies you by your safety and skill ratings, it's ridiculous that you have to grind a car just to make it competitive in a performance class. In MP every car you own should have every upgrade available to it so it just boils down to building, tuning, and skill, not grinding for unlocks. Ugh.

Thank you so much for not deleting Forza 7! I want you to drive the Ford GT Forza Edition!!

With respect I have no idea what the problem is. Each to their own but the sense of progression is great.

have barely run into this issue as the touring Cars and GT class are pretty much specced from the box or use 0cp mods for the most part (the Lynk touring car an exception) and I have been prioritising those hoppers, less of a gulf in class and safer for it.

Thanks for the big up, I didn't miss corner lol, markers said you were alongside so I gave room lol. 😁🐔

They probably shouldve split the classes in 2 or quarters. Be a much tighter performance gap between each other.

I've got about 50 hours in, I've noticed there seems to be some sort of damping factor or soft grace period of penalties in the first lap or maybe 30 seconds of a race. An obvious punt, that in any other lap, would give a 4 second pen, if it happens right as the race starts, it often results in no pen. Stewards must be running late I guess.

That's why I prefer spec races. However I'm surprised you face so many technical issues on Xbox. For me it only crashed once during a replay, a few times I lost connection during upgrades - but no visual glitches at all in 80 hours & nothing that affected an ongoing race.

Tying progression to cars just doesn't make sense to me. Yes, progression should be in the game and I think it is good for games like this. But just make it a really broad account wide progression with just a simple generic currency and level. You wanna race in a super high tier series? Better be level XX with plenty of credits to spare. Wanna do some lower league stuff to get started? Invest some credits at beginner level and have a competetive car straight away for that series.

Super GT out here shinning a light on Global Issues. Well done, and yes that is a Big Fat Quiz Show reference.

The car levels and car part unlocks is fun and all for career but its absolutely abysmal for everything else that isnt racing in stock cars. Building up cars and racing them is the core game and forcing me to waste time leveling it enough just flat out sucks. There is nothing fun about it outside of career mode

Yeah the multiplayer in forza doesn't seem to be serious or competitive at all.

This dumb upgrading system is the reason why i refuse to play class races. I don‘t want to drive my car to lvl 50 before i can upgrade it the way i want to…

I've watched for a long time and also a long time motorsport fan, I personally enjoy the car leveling system as it forces you into actually spending time and building a relationship with your car as any true car enthusiast would agree is a good thing, it keeps the children from throwing some V12 into every car and AWD swapping and essentially ruining the actually racing and making it a forza horizon free-for-all so for me it's perfect, only complaint from my end is they need to rework the collision/off-track penalties as it feels you can bump or cut the track and gain a few seconds without penalty

yeah that crash is happening on PC as well... thanks for the car levelling tip. love your videos homie.

I have an s safety rating and 4000 skill rating and have qualified in 3-7th range and still have not had a race where I have ran every lap without getting sent to the shadow realm

main issue for a spec series driver here is that the matchmaking doesn't work or everyone has too much skill/safety rating...

You should bring back the “shadow realm entry of the week” and the “can the pole sitter survive turn 1” now that there’s a new Forza

In Forza Motorsport, the Shadow Realm comes to you.

i didnt even think about this the first couple times i raced, i was so confused why i couldnt catch up to peeps in those car cups.

*problems of new forza motorsport online experience* „There’s famine, there’s war”

Ya I agree it’s different. But I like the way you have to use your car before you can upgrade it. after my first couple races I realized if you have a car for a race it’s best to do a few freeplay (or whatever they call it) races by myself to level up the car before going into a race with other people

The matchmaking is the biggest issue for me. My skill and safety rating is quite high, 4900 or so, and i keep getting put into lobbies with people who dont want to actually race. I have had some great racing though, with a lot of respect between the drivers who are actually going at it. I made a mistake in one corner and the driver i was defending from slowed down to keep racing me.

An another problem is that penalties aren't hard enough. Had multiple games where the one with most the penalties won. Got 6s won buy 14s.

I've got wrecked 2 times in one race today. The game though thought it was my fault both times and gave me a 6.45 penalty in total. Both crashes weren't my fault. Both times the other guy braked way to late and landed in my car. I went down from a S to a B safety ranking. I'm pissed. (I'm currently back to an A rating)

This is like the "Builders Cup online Featured car hopper" Hints all the different Builds

First problem has an easy solution: Don't race in open lobbies until you level up your car. Stick to spec races first. I don't see how that's a big problem. Maybe you don't like the tuning aspect, I get it. But that's literally what spec lobbies are for!

I have completely given up with it tbh,its either getting rammed non stop or you accidentally hit a player going super slow then he immediately gets annoyed and thinks you done it on purpose then takes you out the next corner then leaves..it will be good in a few months when all the noobs get bored

As someone who drives with a steering wheel in this game, I hope they add a better radar system than the stupid proxity arrows that are almost pointless.

Finally it happend! Kenchicken vs Super GT. What a race, what a name, what a driver.

The biggest problem for me is a penalty system... sometimes it is fabolous and sometimes it gives u 3 sec penalty because dude that u are drafting and nearly kissing his bumper on straight will smash brakes intationally so u would get penalty as it was avoidable contact... ye i´ve forgot that i have super human reflexes and can avoid these contacts while goin 250km/h..

100% agree - joining a game with a rented car is just a waste of time. Tunes are needed