I love how BMAAB started as a fun series where we made fun of bad movies, and now it's more of a study of bad movies, their history and what makes them bad. It's like we went down a spiral.
Also the reason why Tracy's mother in Hairspray is always layed by male actors in drag is because in the original film from 1988, Divine played the mother, and that is a way of tradition in honoring Divine
"You stand convicted of assholeism. You are no longer alive" I can already see myself quoting this daily 8:41 I love how Kennie's laugh just turns into a scream 😂
Roman Polanski really continued to make films and people continued to work with him after his charge & escape. His last film was in 2019. Hollywood really ain't shit.
Don't forget, the French and Polish governments refusing to extradite him and claiming that he's already served his sentence by fleeing to them and living a free life there
" how did you die ?” ” I was forced to be slowly squeezed to death between two people fornicating and then they presumably deep fried and or baked and ate me ” ......... That poor chicken.
With regards to Rosemary's Baby, this woman was essentially sexually assaulted, taunted during her pregnancy, told her baby died, then she finds out he's alive, by the time she embraced her baby at the end she was already emotionally and mentally tired.
There are so many things done right about that film, but for some reason I can't put my finger on why I dislike it so much. And I think your explanation sums up most of the why for me. In terms of all the psychological thriller/horror films I watch this is in my top 5 of unsettled feelings that will never go away.
@@yukismith4518 it’s because she doesn’t win. It doesn’t feel good. She doesn’t get a happy ending. Everyone treats her like she’s crazy and uses her body without her consent for their own gain. It’s sad.
About Polanski, as a Fench people, there was this huge scnadal a few months (?) ago, where an actress Adèle Haenel said that she got raped by Polanski when she was till a minor. And then some time later there were the Cesars (which are our Oscars) and he got the 'Best director) for his latest movie. Haenel and other actors left the teather to protest, Haenel was shouting "the shame" so yeah... It really put all his previous crime back into the light but it's hard to put him into justice because our laws are a bit fucked up
maybe because i'm a bit younger, but the incident during the césars was the first time i had actually heard of polanski being a rapist. I was already appalled, but to know that he was found guilty in the past and was just. living the life in France? awful. it makes the situation of the cesars even worse
She wasn't raped by Polanski, she was groomed by another director, Chirstophe Ruggia, while working on his film and after, from the age of 12 to 15. He's been officially charged. But she did walk out in protest at Polanski's winning for " An officer and spy" .
@@siamesebc Ok, so he didn't rape this particular woman (girl at the time), should we dismiss the other 5 or 6 women that have accused him of grooming and/or rape over the last 15-20 years?
@@cissyiniguez That's not what they're saying, they're clarifying this particular incident that Haenel brought attention to Polanski but was not one of his victims.
fun fact: Divine is also the inspiration for Ursula, in the Little Mermaid! the fact that they also.....literally ate shit on camera makes this hysterical
@@Pollicina_db my mother was real close with ursula, then they just stopped being friends with eachother, they dont call or anything like that. maybe im phrasing it wrong..
If you're looking for a cult classic/dark comedy, I would definitely recommend the original 1989 movie, Heathers. It has young Wynonna Ryder, Christian Slater, and Shannon Doherty in it
Fun fact: Jean Paul Gaultier was the costume designer for "The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover." Man, it's just such a well designed/shot/staged film...
sidetone: do we think it's a coincidence that Nicki Minaj's brother is accused of sexual assault, her husband is convicted of sexual assault and she had Roman Polanski in a verse?
I've read about it and sometimes my mind wanders back to it and I feel physically sick that it got made. (I should edit it's not because it's about a drag queen either).
I am here for this being a spin-off series, something like “Cocktails and Cinematic Controversies”, cause…dear Goddess…There is a plethora of mountains and valleys to climb in finding the balance of intriguing thought pieces and pure cinematic bile 😶.
I'm surprised "The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover" was on this. I saw it in college during a cinematography course (which makes sense when you see it--we were discussing how you could stage/light a scene in a hyper realistic way to underscore story moods/themes/plots, etc.) and I LOVED IT. I think it was the first sort of "extreme" film I'd ever seen, and shaped my love of wild films that are insane but there's obviously intent and artistry behind it (The Lighthouse for example, or the new Susperia). Films that make me go "what the actual fuck is happening" or "no... They wouldn't?... No, they'd never..." then they DO and I'm like... Why do I love this.
I just saw this comment before it got to her saying which movies were reviewed. I found it once on Netflix and I always like random movies, it has definitely been one of my faves since seeing it. Helen Mirren is just so great from start to finish in it and the cinematography is brilliant
It’s such a beautiful film, even with how wild it is. I was entranced by the lighting and setting throughout the film. And Michael Gambon and Helen Mirren are just fantastic in it.
Out of context, but I feel like Woody Allen should be dumped in there with Polanski to a certain extent. People seem to Love giving Woody Allen passes based on technicalities, but he's still a terrible person & absolute creep. I guess it helps that I have no attachment to their art at all.
@@thisasiankidistrashfordram374 He's a creep, but considering there has been nothing beyond an apocryphal story & a couple of judges, a DA, and several psychologists have stated his innocence of any crime, I'm going to continue to give him a pass (but I also haven't seen any of his films in at least 20 years).
@@cissyiniguez I'm Not even referring to the allegations against him by his daughter. I don't mean actual jail time. The prison that Woody Allen belongs in is one of obscurity, anonymity, & Eternal Public Revulsion. Where people cease praising him as a "genius", stop giving him so much credit for the movies that many others helped to create & Stop defending him & his known behavior/actions just because they like his art. At least people are starting to do that now. It just annoys me when people Still defend or excuse him. Like what Kennie is saying about Polanski, the fact that he made good movies & the part where he's a terrible person & sexual groomer/predator do not cancel each other out. Even if people excuse him for both the daughter who has SA accusations against him & his current wife(who is his ex gf's adopted daughter), he has been in relationships with few other women who were Teenagers while he was already well into adulthood(middle age). Even if he didn't commit anything technically "illegal" & he'll never be put in real jail, that doesn't mean that he's clean or that people should keep revering him. I'm not North American or European(in other words, not really his target audience), I'm too young to have cared about his movies & I never really found anything about him or his art appealing. I'm detached enough to see him.
@@thisasiankidistrashfordram374 imo, Woody Allen's movies aren't even good, he just casts his famously good actor friends to play his self-insert characters and whimsical ~young~ love interests and makes it quirky every time, and the awards shows people are like, "Holy shit, it's a movie by that guy we like with those famous people we like and it's quirky. somebody throw nominations at it quick."
we actually watched The Cook, The Thief, The Wife and His Lover during class at college. I thought the photography was very interesting, but really wish the prof had given us a content warning beforehand because it was really uncomfortable (i mean, just look at it!!!) and a classmate had to leave the room at some point. I think it was in the many instances of abuse. It was an experience, that I can say.
I love Rosemary's Baby as a horror film but I refuse to give credit to....that person. (Plus Ari Aster credits Rosemary's Baby/ Don’t Look Now for Hereditary)
With regards to Rosemary's Baby, this woman was essentially sexually assaulted, taunted during her pregnancy, told her baby died, then she finds out he's alive, by the time she embraced her baby at the end she was already emotionally and mentally tired.
“It’s like hereditary” but hereditary feeds on the familial gaslighting and the fog that keeps us from realizing that the people we love the most can actually be the worst thing for us. The best parts of hereditary was the fact it was all about FAMILY. The thing america is scared to point fingers at fingers at and say “sometimes this is bad”.
She's straight up wrong. Hereditary has a very different focus. It's focused on family , grief and inheriting baggage/mental illness. There is some stylistic similarity but they are far from being the same. I would say "Mother!" (jennifer lawrence) is much more apt for this sort of comparison.
That moment after “We love recycling.” when I genuinely couldn’t tell if Kennie had lost it and started crying or was laughing really hard…. Glad it was just a laugh/cry, splitting the difference.
Possible idea: classics that didn’t age well. Sleeping with the Enemy. Leaving one abusive husband for the creepy “good guy” cus somehow it’s your fault. Fatal Attraction. Man starts an affair with bipolar woman with unaliving issues. Spoiler: He comes out the hero.
I read that Glenn Close really pushed to explore the issues Alex had. What was written off as romance sickness in the 80's could now be looked as a form of BPD.
John Waters and Divine are both from Baltimore (which is why all his films are set in Baltimore) and both him and Divine are really well known among film fans here in bmore!! However, I have never seen Pink Flamingos and I don’t want to lol
I say one reason a lot of people don't reference rosemary's baby when discussing hereditary is because of polanski. No need to incite a new generation to be fans of him. When he dies people will probably talk about it then
I feel like I already hear it talked about a lot now. Idk if it’s just because I follow a shit ton of movie podcasts and RU-vid channels but it’s referenced all the time. But then again they also reference most of Polanski’s films from that period and basically just preface it with “he’s a terrible person but this is an important part of film history”.
@@galaxyocicat5660 I agree also that thing that has been going around about a murderer should be released just because he's cute. We need a bit before bringing up great works and the horrible people attached to them. (I personally still can't listen to Michael Jackson and it has been years since he passed. So we will see in about a decades time.)
If you're a film fan, a horror fan or go to school for film you learn about rosemary's baby. I would say it's more so that younger ppl don't often learn about older things.. This also happens with music today. If you follow film channels they mentioned rosemary's baby or linked the gaslighting that occurred
@@momo7989 Yes most channels that cover the film tend to be aimed at an older audience, because it is one of the early horror films. But i didn't mean to imply that the movie is unknown, it certainly isn't. Great film if the director wasn't who he is, but i guess separating the art from the artist isn't all that easy
Do you know "the Baby of Macon"? It's by the same director as "the cook, the thief, his wife and her lover". It's even more f-ed up (less poop though) and the set design, the direction, the aesthetic everything is... incredible. Big, big warning for everything. I hate that so many movies like this somehow can't come up with a plot that doesn't involve sexual violence against women but yea. I highly recommend "the baby of macon". Just. Breathtaking visuals.
Oh, I remember watching a review of that one by Rabbit Hole Entrance! Come to think of it, he also did a review on The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover as well but I never got around to watching that one. And yes, the set and everything for that move was incredible, and it had some abhorrent subject matter.
Controversial movies? Disgustingness? Plus Kennie? Sign me up! I know my vocabulary and English review skills will level up because of how articulate Kennie is.
Rose Mary's baby is my favourite horror movie, it's the only movie (and I watch a ton of horror movies) that was so unsettling, I was still anxious hours after watching it
With regards to Rosemary's Baby, this woman was essentially sexually assaulted, taunted during her pregnancy, told her baby died, then she finds out he's alive, by the time she embraced her baby at the end she was already emotionally and mentally tired.
also something interesting to note is Divine didn't really consider himself a drag queen, more just a character actor who happened to play these larger than life female roles.
Judging by the title, is art person kennie going to make an appearance today? 👀👀👀 Lowkey might be my favourite kennie Edit: I lie, spontaneously singing kennie is my favourite kennie
@@mylifeismadness5465 Yeah, but I mean like, there's gonna be a movie of MTV Teen Wolf. That mess. A disaster. I'm still in the fandom *(derogatory)* .
@@mylifeismadness5465 There were at least two, as I recall. The first one starred Michael J. Fox, I think, and the second one starred… Jason Bateman? I think? Yep, I’m right on both counts. Why do I remember these things?!
Lmao, the thing with this show is that it doesn't deserve to have some of the actors it has - O'Brien, Reed and Haynes, namely. I feel like it got popular only because TVD was a massive hit just prior.
If you want to watch Rosemary's Baby for free legally, check you local library! They have movies! (In the US at least, I don't know about other places)
Since you liked Rosemary's Baby, I highly recommend The Stepford Wives which is also by Ira Levin and deals with similar themes! The film adaptation from 1976 is pretty good, there's another one w/ Nicole Kidman from 2001 that I can't vouch for
Those Tate-LaBianca murders were so… intense. There are books like Helter Skelter or CHAOS that are so interesting, they are both regarding that time in the sixties.
In Spain Rosemary's baby was called "LA semilla del diablo", "The devil's seed", which is the biggest spoiler ever, and that's why I have never tried to watch it 😂
Back in high school, my English class did an analysis on a short story called “Lamb to the Slaughter” (by Ronald Dahl of all people). We were even shown the Alfred Hitchcock Presents adaptation. Our teacher recommended the movie “The Cook, the Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover” for (in her words) “Those that are a little more daring”. That sparked my interest in all horror/thriller/suspense/crime drama genres. And to think the Dame Helen Mirren is Georgina.
There's so much conversation to be had about that story and its depiction of human psychology! One of my favorite things about Rosemary's Baby is how loving and supportive literally all of her friends are, in contrast to the control exerted on her by her husband and the neighbors. It's a good case study on the dangers of becoming so absorbed in a romantic relationship that you isolate yourself from healthy friendships. In the book, she actually separates from Guy for a bit and begins to get some clarity and perspective on the unhealthy dynamic they have... Then he shows up again and sets everything back. That's so realistic it's scary.
Pink Flamingos is definitely in my top list for movies that have traumatized me. The #1 spot goes to “Meet the Feebles” which is ironically a Peter Jackson film, he directed The Lord of the Rings.
Pink Flamingos was that movie that as teenagers my friend group made every new person watch. The egg lady- nightmare Chicken sex-nightmare Babababauuuwwmowmow-traumatized 😂. Divine is my patron saint (of filth). Love her
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and His Lover is a masterpiece. The composer, Michael Nymal, did a brilliant job with his minimalist compositions, the visuals are incredible, the nudity is beautiful, and the narrative is poetry.
Oooooo this is not the only Divine/ John Waters movie. Its the most well known other than Hairspray, but they did a handful of bizarre movies together. If you follow RPDR at all they referenced multiple of them in a Divine inspired musical Season 7. Female Trouble might be my favorite tbh, it came on late on TCM when I was working and was so wild
I saw the title and thought Kennie's been watching too much Mista GG 🤣 As someone from Baltimore, your community tab clue had me cackling. John Waters is an.... interesting person.
You know, I had a pretty bad date who brought me over to watch "The Cook, The Theif, His Wife, and Her Lover." I'm not a film buff. I don't care how pretty you make the movie or whatever themes you throw in it. I just spent the whole experience miserable, crying, and wondering when these terrible people would get off my screen....
Yeah, I feel like the Polanski outrage mattered a LOT more when the only way to view his content was to pay for it. These days you can stream free anything, without it going toward his pocket.
I LITERALLY was thinking the SAME thing about Rosemary's Baby and Hereditary being so similar, it blew my mind no one saw the similarities and thought Hereditary was so original lol
The 70s was a weird time for tv and movies haha 😯 They didnt hold back even for kids tv like the banana splits, the clips my parents showed me freak me out to this day 😅 On a side note, I think you’d like Movie 43 if you enjoyed these movies!
the hereditary/rosemary's baby situation reminds me of the striking similarities between joker 2019 and the king of comedy. it's the same thing of like philips wasnt being intentionally deceptive and he credited scorsese as an influence but also the reception of joker would have been pretty substantially different if there was like a bigger cultural awareness of the king of comedy
I did a report on Palansky in high school and got through so much of it and didn’t find out about his crime until I was basically done somehow and it was so awkward cause I wasn’t gonna not mention it
I didn't see this video yet but a chapter is titled "the Polanski problem" and one of my favourite comfort movies (Oliver Twist, 2005) is by Polanski so I'll say "damn is she gonna talk about that movie as well or the entire cinematography of that guy apart from that movie?" I'm sweating.
my name is Divine and i just like to tell people i was named after the drag queen cause i like to see the confusion and odd discomfort on their faces. let’s me know who to avoid
I will say, if Kennie wants to do more "controversial" movies, I'd recommend Jimmy Screamerclaus' movies "Where the Dead Go To Die" and "Where Black Birds Fly." They're not really "good," and I've seen at least one other reviewer* give the "Trigger Warning: All Of Them" when talking about them, but they are different at least and I'd be fascinated to see her reactions to them. Tho, for a different type of "controversial," because it's the baffling black sheep of its series, god I hope Kennie does Godzilla Vs The Smog Monster one of these days... *Diamanda Hagan to be specific. Which, BTW, god a crossover between Kennie and Hagan would be fun because of their similar wheelhouses but very different styles.
For other movie recommendations, I'm curious to see your opinions on Candyman since it has interesting themes that's up your alley and now the sequel has Jordan Peele involved.
kennie i totally recommend the film Mother considering you really like gaslight-y psychological thrillers the movie gave me several panic attacks but it was so good
Kennie!! I’ve been a John Waters fan girl since I was like 15 and Pink Flamingos is tame compared to a lot of others. Check out “Female Trouble,” “Multiple Manics,” “Mondo Trasho,” “Desperate Living,” “Polyester,” “Serial Mom,” the list goes on but these are some of the absolute best!!!! Female Trouble is one of my personal favorites.
My sister and I also watched Rosemarys baby before heriditary and we kept talking about how similar they were!! And youre right Rosemarys baby just keeps getting better each watch
there is a follow up to Rosemary's Baby called Look What Happened to Rosemary's Baby, and there was mini series remake from 2014 starring Zoe Saldana. Mia Farrow had a lot of heartache in her love life, in the late 1990's her then partner/husband woody allen left her and married Mia's adopted daughter.
