I WENT BACK TO SCHOOL TO LEARN FINNISH (this is what happened) 

Don't downplay the importance of your previous self-study! Think of it like you gathered a lot of jigsaw puzzle pieces, but the language course gave you the corner ones so you can start piecing those pieces together! :D

Maybe have Cat to talk you in Finnish? I mean that take one day in a week where you talk to each other only in Finnish. Like every friday for example, or whatever day is best for you. That way you get to both hear and speak Finnish regulaily, and before long it becomes a habit. When it becomes a habit it does not feel like work anymore, it just kind of happens naturally.

Never ever have I thought about k-p-t verbs... It feel so natural and logical...

Please be gentle with yourself when you make videos in Finnish! I consider myself fluent in English, but when I speak to camera in English, I make stupid mistakes and forget words and easily feel disappointed in myself. So, please, be very gentle with yourself, and remember your mental health is more important than grammar or vocabulary. You have already started by flavoring your videos with spontaneous bits of Finnish here and there, and that's nice! We're very proud of you!

The grammar rules seem daunting at first glance, and for good reason; they're very difficult to memorize. As a native Finnish person I can't say this with certainty, but I think the more you hold actual conversations the more logical everything will feel. Hienoa, että opiskelet suomen kieltä!

If you havent already i highly recommend changing every language on your phone/computer to finnish (for example phone OS language, editing software, social media etc.). That has had huge impact for me when i have studied languages. I think that most finns have learnt most of their english from the internet because everything is in english

so, I'm on tiktok now...don't tell anyone 🤫 vm.tiktok.com/ZMJWFTh9H/

just binged your road to finnish series and its been so great! i think you forgot how well you were doing pre covid, outside a week trip to england you seemed to be fallowing your goal of an hour a day and learning so much! I'm learning Finnish currently myself and it was fun hearing words I knew to you passing me a few videos later. so glad you were able to try a structured crouse. I tried a few over Covid thanks to zoom removing physical distance and have found the cost SO WORTH it. good luck on your learning journey!

I am so proud of you! And thank you for making these language journey videos, I really relate to them because my own language journey also has had some ups and downs..

As Finnish is my first language it's often hard to picture how hard Finnish would be to learn as a non native speaker. At 20 yr old I started to study Northern sámi, which is a finn-ugric language as well and has a similar grammar, I realized just how complex both these languages are 😅😂 has been the toughest journey for sure.

Great work Dave!

Hyvä juttu ! Really good work, Dave. I do think your finnish will come even more when Leo gets older, school, friends... Keep doing good work and you will learn finnish. 👏

It is interesting to watch you to learn finnish, the counterpart for me is Gen Tagaki (Korkealinna). How different the learning process is from germanic-language to asian one.

Great job Dave! Good to see that you are still committing to the learning of our oh so arduous language =) Just remember to expose yourself to the language as much as possible so it keeps fresh in your mind!

k-p-t changes also get me. But I agree, it's quite logical and it helps knowing the "formula". Great vid. Maybe keep a basic diary in Finnish, that could help

I think the k p t verb conjugation is like that just because atleast for us finnish people it's easier to pronounce that way. Although there are some folks, especially older, who don't really use "d" in their speech and instead just say the verbs with the "t" which sounds a bit stiff and harsh.

Why aren't you doing full time Finnish courses through TE, Dave? Its from 8-13.30 5 days a week. I don't know if you know about this but you get books, a teacher, get to meet many people from various backgrounds and do speaking, reading, listening and writing tests to pass modules. Its all free too but it takes some time to get in and you need to register through TE palvelut as the courses become part of your integration plan.

Wow! You learning Finnish is such an eye opener for me. All that grammar and those k-t-p things etc. I'm a native Finnish speaker so all that comes naturally to me, but having to learn and memorize these things like you have to... Well, let's just say that I really don't envy you. 😁

Dave, please go to the first available continuation course. Otherwise you have a higher barrier in your mind to overcome making yourself to join a later coursd. (You thinking you dont remember enough to join etc.) It is good for you and your future, make time for it. I believe you can make time and focus it.

Have you tried Yle Kielikoulu? It would be interesting to hear your opinion and I think it would be very important to spread the word to everyone learning Finnish in Finland. Thank you, Dave! I hope you're as proud of your journey as I am! You're doing great!

another thing that i can sort of give tip about that i've also gone through myself is to answer questions... when they start the question with "onko" and the answer is "yes, it is" it is just to say "on!" etc. so it is not only the ssa/ssä or lla/llä forms etc, because there are few exceptions with those actually.

Amazing work Dave!👏 As a Finnish person I can not imagine studying Finnish from your perspective😱

Hyvä Dave! Voit olla todella ylpeä itsestäsi! You can be really proud of yourself! 👍🏻

Aivan mahtavaa! Kirjoitan suomeksi, koska kannustan sillä sinua. Sanojen taivutus on loogista. Substantiivien agglutinatiivinen perustyyppi on "talo", jossa vartalo ei muutu, vaan pysyy asussa "talo-": *talo : talon : talona* Sitten on erilaisia tapauksia, joissa historialliset äänteenmuutokset näkyvät vartalossa vaihteluna. Näistä kaksi yleisimmistä on "e > i" sanan lopussa ja "t > s" "i":n edellä ("ti > si"). Sitten on astevaihtelu ja vokaalisointu. Nämä kaikki ilmenevät esim. sanoissa: *vesi : veden : vetenä* *uusi : uuden : uutena* *kausi : kauden : kautena* Hyvin loogista, kaavamaista. Suomen kieltä omaksuva lapsi hakee näitä taivutuskaavoja. Huomaat varmasti omasta lapsestasi. Esimerkiksi sanan "muna" monikon partitiivimuoto on "munia", mutta lapsi saattaa sanoa "muneja". Erilaiset paradigmat ovat keskenään yhteydessä. Aina taivutusmuodosta ei voi päätellä, mikä on perusmuoto. Esimerkiksi "kantoja" on sanojen "kanta" ja "kanto" monikon partitiivimuoto. Ehkä kaikkein sekavinta taivutus on "s"-loppuisilla sanoilla. On "kirves : kirveen", mutta "varis : variksen". Näistä jälkimmäinen tyyppi on produktiivinen. Kielen muutoksesta kertoo, että joskus myös äidinkieliset puhujat taivuttavat näitä sanoja toisen tyypin tavoin, esim. "ruis : ruiksen" (kirjakielessä "rukiin"). Nämä esimerkit osoittavat, että vaikka sanaa taivuttaisi "väärin", merkitys ymmärretään. Puhumalla oppii. Paljon tsemppiä! ☺

Finnish definitely makes a lot of sense. The hard part is memorizing everything. But once you have those basics, it's pretty easy to progress to B1 or B2 level if you have access to resources that can give you the information you need to progress. What I'm running into outside of Finland is that it's pretty much impossible to find any course that goes beyond A1-A2 level (and I can't afford a private tutor). But that shouldn't be too difficult in Finland, I think.

I have always thought Finnish was like math also. Very logical. Great job with the language and the videos. Terveisia kanadasta.

I agree that language courses are the best! At the moment I'm learning Japanese in a course and it's so much fun :)

Good job! :D How did you learn Finnish by yourself before the course? Do you have any tip? :)

Okay, as a native speaker that actually kind of blew my mind. MiSSÄ olet? HelsingiSSÄ. MiSTÄ tulet? HelsingiSTÄ. Never even thought about it before.

God luck with your further studies. 👍👍👍

With the KPT change it's simply how the language evolved to make the words easily pronounceable. It's similar to how we use a or an depending on whether the next word starts with a vowel or now. Try saying a sentence that contains "a image" or "a arrow". The n is inserted to make saying the vowel easier; try doing the same with those Finnish words that it would normally apply to and then NOT apply the KPT change and you'll see why you need it. Finns don't think about it because they've been doing it before they knew what grammar even was.

Most native people learn the k p t verbs and other consonant gradation things by learning certain patterns and then matching new words against them. So it might be easier to learn words withe different bodies and their conjugations, rules when gradation happens (syllable is closed with a consonant) and then just derive other words from them. idk :)

Taste Test Tuesday would be fun in Finnish 🤔 but anyway, super proud of you!!

Hello, some tips for self-learning finish or those nontipical languages? Thanks

It's "Tampereella" and not -ssa, because it has historically been shortened from Tammerkoski (Tammer-rapids)->Tampere. As a convention, all place names that end with -koski are -lla, because the place is not actually inside the river rapids. It's AT the rapids. Tampere retained the convention even after the shortening.

Dave: “It felt very good finishing something” It felt very good Finnishing something 😉

Oh, I didn't even know about that Missä thing

learning Finnish is easy. All you have to do is learn the vocabulary and learn how each word "bends". Then you have to learn the grammar rules and then all the exceptions to those rules. And then you learn that most words can have thousands of different forms. And after you have done all that and try listening to Finns speaking you realize that they are not speaking the language you learned. They speak a variant of the written language. So all you have to do is learn the vocab, the written language variants in the various cases, then the rules and all the exceptions to the rules, and all the spoken language variants. Then the slangi... Stadin slangi especially if you live in Helsinki. So it's really easy!

The k-p-t changeing to nothing-v-d may partially have to do with what is called voicing. /k/, /p/, and /t/ are alle unvoiced sounds where you do not use the vocalcord in your throat to form the sound, while /v/ and /d/ are voiced, so you do use the vocalcords to form the sound. Not sure why /k/ would go to being dropped, but i guess there is some kind of phonoligical restraint where /g/ or the rasping back of the mouth sound of some voiced fricative does not get realised in speech for Finnish.

I hated the KPT changes!!! I have listened to 2 different instructors and watched 4 different youtube videos. I have come to the conclusion you just have to memorize it like all the silly English grammar rules you just know/do. Keep going Dave, you got this!

Actually I was at that school for a five months in total. And my results is pretty good

i don't know who you are, yt randomly recommended me this vid, but i can't believe you didn't make a "finnished the course" pun or sth similar

6:23 correct. It's just built into us :D

my apologies for stupid questions, but how make a few pages on screen in documents like here 4:18 ? haha

Olen ylpeä sinusta dave ja pidän sinun videoista😊onnea opiskeluun😊

Terve Dave! Didn't they explain in class that the reason of consonant gradation is due to the fact that the syllable goes from being opened to being closed (this does not include the negative form of verbs though). An opened syllable ends in a vowel, so you have nuk-KU-vat, a closed syllable ends in a consonant, so you have nu-KUM-me. E.g. kaTU -> kaDUT; lenTO -> lenNOT; puKU -> puVUT. Hope this makes sense (^_^)

I just found this video and I'am a native finnish speaker and I don't understand that k-p-t thing at all. I just know how to inflect these words and I don't have to think about it ( I have no idea how correct that sentense was but I think you get what I mean) :)

In which language the teacher explained Finnish grammar and linguistics to you? My experience of language-learning is that you need to come back to some rules and points and difficulties again and again. You learn something by the first encounter, but later you realize there is more to it, and you go deeper. You are doing well!

Watch Finnish youtubers, read Finnish books, watch movies in Finnish or with Finnish subtitles. Also podcasts and radio when you advance just a little bit or maybe you could listen to those already. This is how I've learned English the most. Also like any language I think it would be beneficial to first speak then write like kids do but that's not often possible for adults. If you think about the written language when speaking it can be clumsy. That's more true for other languages than Finnish though

6:20 "I wonder how even natives get this..." We don't , tbh 😅 I mean, we do develop an instinct for it, but it's another thing entirely to learn it by rote. I'm language major with a minor in Finnish and a lot of students (myself included!) had major issues passing the course where we went over all this consonant gradation stuff.

Remember Dave, repetition is the mother of learning, even sometimes that feel pointless, stupid, etc. ^^'

Do a challenge that you speak only finnish with Cat for an entire month. :)

Please don't help Dave before he has tried! Ole hyvä ja anna Daven yrittää itse ennenkuin autat häntä! Dave, would you like to write the following sentence in Finnish (as natural Finnish as possible) "Which vlog is your newest one, and is it in Finnish?"

K-P-T... oh right that's a thing, I _think_ I've heard that mentioned _somewhere_ but no idea where. It just becomes natural when you've spoken Finnish your whole life, it just "feels right" in the mouth.

"If somebody asks you a question starting with "missä", you reply with that same ending". I'm 100% native Finn of 40+ years old, and I never realized that connection...

Odotan paljon suomenkielisiä videoitasi!

No niin!

Please don't help Dave before he has tried! Ole hyvä ja anna Daven yrittää itse ennenkuin autat häntä! Dave, would you like to write the following sentence in Finnish (as natural Finnish as possible) "Did you get a chance to practice writing during the course?"

Hats Off - You are TRUE EXSAMPLE - What it takes to read the instruction in Finnish - How to Heat a Sauna ! Its not only to light the fire - but MEDITATE and get ready MENTALLY ! This way - Youll get to light " the fire " sooner ! Replace Hats !

Please don't help Dave before he has tried! Ole hyvä ja anna Daven yrittää itse ennenkuin autat häntä! Dave, would you like to write the following sentence in Finnish (as natural Finnish as possible) "Does Leo dare to jump from your lap to the bed?"

U are best ps im from finland

Please don't help Dave before he has tried! Ole hyvä ja anna Daven yrittää itse ennenkuin autat häntä! Dave, would you like to write the following sentence in Finnish (as natural Finnish as possible) "How do you like the Finnish summer?"

Yes, it is important to use actively what you have studied. Without active use, the information dissolves. One problem I had to face is inactive use. I am going to school (study electricity) and I'm using the language inactive, I just listen what teacher says. I don't speak, don't write reviews, don't make social contacts and my language is not improving. So don't do my mistake! Make videos only in Finnish! It will help you A LOT!

I think its possible to learn this the same way as native finnish speakers do without memorizing it.

Me when I see a new video posted by Dave Cad: 😮🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

Pohjanmaalla they replace d with r. So if they are talking about revalvaatio you can not know if they mean revaluation or devaluation. There is a joke, I do not remember who came up with it, that in Finnish language there is only one word you have a need for the letter d: kuldduuri. This was ment to criticize the high culture people trying to be so fancy, the better civilized people, apart from the commoners. As if it was fancier to say kuldduuri, instead of kulttuuri.

I know the trouble of Learning Finnish. Or mayby it not The same. I'm Learning The Sámi language and it is very similar to Finnish. But one thing I have to say to you. DO NOT SAY SORRY EVERY TIME YOU SPEAK FINNISJ IN VIDEO! Your accsent is good and you know more words than you think. You can test it, drink some alkohol to get tipsy or "hiprakka" and then try to speak Finnish. You may notice that you don't have to think about speaking you just speak. works for me

To finnish the finnish grammar look so easy like k-p-t verbs😅 Feels weird that it is not easy for foreigns🤔😉

k-p-t... joo... Kun tämän oppii lapsena, sitä ei tarvitse aikuisena ajatella lainkaan. But technically everyone does learn about this thing in school, like around 8 th grade. It's not just verbs tough. And altough VERY HARD (for a non-native speaker) this thing is extreemly consistent! There is a rule, and the rule is 100 % air tight. No exceptions.

Torille!

Hyvä juttu kun kurssista oli apua. Tuo seinäkellon tikutus on yllättävän kovaääninen🤔

As a finn I can tell you where all this can go totally wrong. I’d say that first learn how to speak like ppl here do and then how to write it. ( If you want). This is how we teach our kids. Don’t mind them boring books. No one here speaks that book(ish) language anyway. Just like when John Connor tells T800 to listen the way ppl talk.

Altough the basics and repetitions seems boring, they are still important to make again

say konginkangas

Perkele! :D i don't know why i wanted to say this so please don't ask :D

Finnish is way more useful language than swedish in finland.

In Finnish, you shouldn't think of the basic form as fundamentally any more basic than any other. We just have to put SOME form in the dictionary, so we choose that one as a convention. But is "I want to sleep", "minä haluan nukkua" REALLY more basic than "I sleep", "minä nukun"? Both are just particular uses of the verb. The mistake is to think that you learn the basic form, and then modify it into something more advanced to get the rest of the forms. Well, unfortunately the reality is that you first deconstruct the supposed basic form, which is really just a declension like any declension, into a more abstract thing that is sort of like a mathematical formula. The formula creates "kk" in some cases, and "k" in some. It would have to be described in symbols, not letters, if it were to be described. Which I'm not sure anyone has done, but artificial intelligences may have to actually learn the representation in order to translate Finnish. For example, there would be one symbol that would then turn in to "kk" or "k" in different cases. And it is actually an intuitive understanding of this abstract form that the native speaker learns. We are ALREADY translating the thing we really have in our mind, in order to convert it into "nukkua" or any declension.

Oh wow. If I needed to learn all those rules I would never learn Finnish...

All I know how to do is Turku (Finnish joke) but I'm proud of you for learning Finnish.... yes, you can make it pretty clear when you're talking, even though you're sure to have a translator like this writing.

What if You and Cat could watch some finnish tv series together? Yle has in Areena the series called Modernit miehet, its hilarious. Katso Yle Areenassa: areena.yle.fi/1-4530023

kaakeloida onki tosi tärkeä verbi xd 4:55

looking at those KPT rules reminds me how shitty language we have

How come your study material is from 4th dimension?!?! We Finns didn't ever never do anything like that . STRONG!!! viiiiiiiiiiiiik.... We didn't need any BS like that??? There are easier ways.

first one

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One notice; You talk too fast, try soften it more.