Technically no Vl ichigo can solo onepiece but not Naruto. Even vl ichigo is large planetary level He need dangai or mugetsu or Shikai can solo Naruto and boruto Verse but expect shibai Ōtsutsuki and god Ōtsutsuki's.
@@x_Phoenix. Base TYBW, Ichigo is Stronger Than Mugetsu. Plus Vasto should be about multi solar minimum because even a weakened ichigo could defeat Grimmjow who could blow up the soul society’s sun.
@@cocopebbles3841 actully no mugetsu is still the strongest form of ichigo remember thats all of ichigo powers combained in one attack i will put dangai ichigo on same level as tybw shikai ichigo and bankai lil bit closer to mugetsu but mastered bankai is def above mugetsu
Zaraki is a top tier...ofc he does Theres a video called "quintessential ichigo scale" that uses feats to put ichigo at outerversal and they do it successfully
I've seen some pretty interesting arguments for low-multiversal Bleach. In chapter 493, Sun-Sun explains that everything that exists and enters Soul Society and Hueco Mundo is composed of reishi (spiritual matter). And in chapter 70, Urahara explains that it is impossible for kishi (physical matter) to exist within a realm of reishi, which is why he created the Spirit Particle Conversion Machine. The stars and other celestial bodies in Soul Society cannot be made of kishi, because kishi cannot exist within a realm of reishi. And the celestial bodies in the world of the living cannot be made of reishi, otherwise most people would not be able to see them. Unless somebody can prove that matter, both physical and spiritual, only exists on 3 planets, they would logically have to be their own universes. Or multi-galaxies at the _very_ least. Shonenkon made a really neat video on this topic. And referring to the realms as earths/universes could be used interchangeably. We see this often in Marvel and DC, such as "Earth 1", "Earth 2", etc. when they are each their own universe. Either way, Uni Bleach is pretty valid. W video, Hapi. 👍
I do actually think it’s possible bleach verse hits multiversal. In my honest answer, Idk? It could be multi, it could be just a universe, it’s kinda down to interpretation since Kubo is quite vague
I’d Say multiversal isn’t a stretch at all, especially because of how consistent low complex to Complex multi bleach scales are. Coupled with the fact that the Dangai and Cleaner can be pretty easily scaled to 5-D
@@kamamara2567 That's actually a good point to mention. A lot of downplayers try to assert that the realms are only planets, and that the Garganta is outer space. Which is just wrong for a few reasons. One, there is no evidence that suggests the Garganta IS outer space in Bleach. It is a baseless assumption. Two, there are no stars or celestial bodies in the Garganta whatsoever. All that's in the Garganta is just turbulent reishi. The realms themselves are all separate from the Garganta. Three, as I mentioned in my original post, the Soul Society and Hueco Mundo are _entirely_ comprised of reishi, while the world of the living is mostly comprised of kishi. Logically, the celestial bodies in Soul Society and Hueco Mundo must be made of reishi, while the celestial bodies in the world of the living must be made of kishi. The Garganta fills the spaces between the realms, as Yoruichi explains in chapter 625 of the manga. The Garganta was confirmed to be infinite in size in Bleach CFYOW volume 3, page 396. And in Bleach SAFWY volume 2 (can't find the page number), it confirms that time passes differently inside the Garganta than outside it while Cien and Kenpachi were fighting.
@@mambolosco35 i am tired of these fake bleach fans saying "prime soul king", the biggest feat we get of soul king is literally after he has been trapped and his limbs cut off. There is no such thing as "prime" soul king, ichigo, yhwach and kenny are all stronger than him
hapi you forgot that Yukio who is a fullbringer has the power to create dimensions and they had Moons and Stars in them. His whole fullbring ability is literally making the dimensions but it doesn’t get talked about enough
@@Hapi117I mean the spiritual pressure of Fullbring Bankai ichigo was enough to destroy it, so I guess it could led to the conclusion that fullbring bankai Ichigo is more than universal.
@@lc_hot in the first couple chapters ichigo mentions horoscopes are bs, however, the horoscopes are based on constellations some of these constellations contain star clusters as well as the individual stars we also see kon reference galaxies when he kicks a pebble "to a distant galaxy" we also have descriptions of the would of the living as "the real world" or the "present world" being different from soul society or the "spirit world" urahara says "these universes should never touch" at one point(i think it was before ichigo goes to soul society) we also see multitudes of stars in the sky in both WotL and SS, as these realms are separate dimensions separated by the garganta that has no celestial bodies like planets or stars and souls can breath in it, they CAN'T be the same stars also yoruichi mentions the SS actually has a different timeline than WotL, even if they flow at the same rate as for hueco mundo, we do have descriptions of "sand falls ceaselessly", "endless desert", and "eternal night" as well as seeing only the moon(unless im mistaken) so that one MIGHT, might be infinite, might be like solar system im not sure. however it was created by the same guy that made the SS and Wolt so it seems reasonable to me to put it as the same level as the other 2 fun fact: hell is older than the reio and he didnt make it, only a "lid" for hell
You should make an updated video on this topic with the added TYBW anime feats such as one of the members of Squad Zero, Senjumaru, when releasing their Bankai, with the slight use of their true power would shake everything in Bleach, shown too and the Kanji they used there was "Sangai Tenchi", three realms of existence.
Thank you very much for this Is it possible if u can release the scans? I've debated with a lot of people why the Bleach verse Cosmology is Universal not multi planetary
im debating with this one guy on why death battle at least got ichigos powers and scaling wrong and at most why he shouldve won but theres not enough statements to bakc everythinh up which sucks
💀 definitely not MT but i also don't think he is strongest in big three for the simple reason cuz i never watch bleach and no one ever provided me good Evidence for ichigo to be galaxy or universal
Both SS and WL are confirmed to be universes due to the fact that WL is a copy of our universe and goes 1 to 1 with it in history and even scientific research (big bang was referenced verbatim). Furthermore all 3 realms would have to be infinite to house souls in the future. Add numerous statements about Muken, Valley of screams, Hueko Mundo etc being infinite and it is what it is
Anime domain level argument "Bleach is mountain level" Bleach is underrated and the most acceptable scale is large planetary but the verse should easily sleep at uni+ because of garganta Ichigo should easily sleep at multi-galaxy but downplayed to large planetary ☠
@@RudyyFr Grimjow distort space easily and madara shit his pants himself when might guy bend space so grimjow wins If we use that gay's logic, madara would lose to Base grimjow 💀 Which is 100% Wrong Madara solos the espada Extreme diff
when bleach characters say "the world of the living" theyre not talking about just earth theyre talking about the universe, and we know that the world of the living is basically our world because it has same stuff in it, the same history (ichigo says he looks up to shakespear) there for all the three main realms of bleach are universal, also each of the valley of screams are infinite because they have to house an infinite number of souls, the dangai is 4d and the cleaning in the dangai is also 4d (in the data book it is stated that the cleaner governs over time thats why if it touches you you can be in a different time stated by yoruichi) and the garganta is even more massive because it needs to house all of this
how is Ichigo mountain lvl? when the mf killed Ywach who absorbed the soul king therefore being the new soul king itself? like make it make sense? those are probably One Piece fans again and them hyping up Luffy’s gear 5
@@officejetpro365x3 I'm not talking about the realms of existence, I'm talking about hollows and saying that they've always existed. I know soul king created the realms, that's not what I was correcting.
as a jjk fan who bothered for less than a day now with ichigo, i comfortably say ichigo solos or AT LEAST has a draw, if he can't bypass infinity he is so much faster than gojo, purple is gonna be like a bullet is for superman
I have one confusion, when soul king wasn't subjugated and the world wasn't split into 3 realms, the death didn't even exist at all. And the hollows were in existence at that time too. But it's said that the hollows are actually the humans who are super depressed and have failed to pass on to afterlife. So how the hell hollows came to exist in the past?
@@TheLostZoro872 ichigo at low ball is multi galaxy to universal in tybw arc Ichigo best scale is universal+ to low multiversal in tybw While naruto and luffy are not even universal 💀
@@yashmehta4087 Low Multi is his best, im just making fun of mf's saying Ichigo is Hill/Mountain level like bro, if Goku's kamekameha travelled all the way from the moon to a different galaxy and it only scratched a wall but upon travelling it destroyed galaxies and stars, using these mf's logic it is only a Wall level attack lmfao
Yeah, casually cutting a mountain with an attack that takes no effort, and having that mountain slice be from THE WIND FROM HIS SLASH clearly makes Ichigo mountain level, just ignore Ulquiorra being in danger of destroying los noches in huecco mundo, and Aizen no diffing Cleaner, who is 4d. Ignore Ichigo being able to block the Sokyoku, which is a planetary level attack in soul society arc. What kind of drugs are these people on?
Bleach's cosmology is kinda hard for newbies or skimmers to understand because of its ambiguity. So it's understandable that they easily recognized it as "Planetary scaling". You have to take your time at every detail in the manga, anime, novels, and databooks... to really comprehend the Structure of the World that lies within images and paragraphs. *Short explanation: - The primordial world of Bleach came into existence >millions of years ago. Primordial creatures could consume each other and turn into primordial Hollows. These creatures couldn't die, they just existed + reproducing + evolving to Hollow. - The Reio (Soul King) was born as a mutant who could destroy the primordial entities. He had the highest form of The Almighty and many other OP haxes. His action of killing Hollows pushed the primordial world into Chaos. - SK was influenced by 5 ancestors of Shinigami and decided to split the PW into 3 realms of existence (SS-HW-HM). The 5 ancestors were too scared of SK's powers that they Sealed him in a crystal. The SK chose not to resist, even Ichibei was surprised by his act and claimed that he was a deity who was "nigh-Omnipotent and nigh-Omniscient". - The 3 realms of existence are infinite dimensions with celestial bodies inside of them. SS and HW do have Stars, while HM only has a Moon. The Soul Society phrase is preferred to the planet containing Seireitei, and it's also the name of the dimension. SS planet = Earth in HW. Meanwhile, Hueco Mundo is an "endless desert". - The Muken prison in SS is an infinite realm of darkness. - There are countless Valley of Screams scattered all over the Gargata. A Valley of Screams is an unknown-sized realm. - The Void surrounding 3 worlds is called Garganta, having no celestial body, completely dark. - The interconnecting tunnel between HW and SS is called Dangai, which is a 4-D hyperspace. And the Cleaner of Dangai is a 4-D deity. - The SK remains at the top 1 even after the manga ended. Yhwach only absorbed ~35% of his body, with the dollar store Almighty, which was already a multi-dimensional/universal threat. Ichigo suppressed Yhwach in terms of raw power, while Aizen and Uryuu interrupted his hax. *Conclusion: The top 10 strongest characters of Bleach are cosmic-level entities, all are Transcended. Scaling from Solar System to Universal. Yamamoto barely reached the top 15, he wasn't a Transcended. Top 1: Soul King (prime). Top 2: Yhwach. Top 3: Ichigo. Top 4: Aizen. Top 5: ... Ẩn bớt
The cosmology scale was lowkey ass……. There are distant galaxies inside the human realm, astrology exists which proves that the realm contains multiple galaxy clusters and so much more. Saying that the realms arent Univeses, or at least Multi-Galaxy sized, makes no sense whatsoever
Hands down its either naruto or luffy the weakest luffy still growing so i will leave it at that for now no way they say ichigo the weakest. random characters in bleach sweeps alot of the other two verse
Naruto and shippuden verse is week compared to boruto it’s crazy how they only say ichigo solos Naruto ship and go Naruto verse like it would be hard to say that especially from shippuden to boruto cus got ppl like the otsutsukis who’s literally immortal and can’t be killed only sealed away and they can come back whenever th ye want
Yes Soul King didn't create the Bleach universe himself. But he did split the original universe into 3 infinited dimensions (Human Word-Soul Society-Hueco Mundo). And Garganta is the Void filled with spiritual matter that surrounding them. The HW and SS have stars (celestial bodies) inside of them (stated in the manga). Yhwach at the last battle was able to collapsing 3 dimensions and Garganta into 1 primordial world (stated in the manga). This make Soul King, Yhwach are at least Universal scaling.
One thing you forgot to mention The arrow took away the soul king powers so when ichigo killed him that not a universal feat that is a mountain level feat
You forgot somth too Are we talking about the same Ichigo that went Toe to Toe with SK Ywhach? Same Ichigo that Ywhach had to take seriously fighting? The Ywhach that was collapsing Realms/Multiverses and merging them? :v Watch Bleach yourself and stop Watching from YT bro
Naaa fam. Ichigo isn’t universe-level. He only beat Yuha because of that shitty arrow from Uryu. And just because you can hurt someone with higher ap doesn‘t mean you scale to them. Thats BS. Himawari hurt Naruto so she is Planet level?
Are you stupid? Just because this this rule doesn't exist in naruto doesn't mean it will also be in bleach ( zaraki vs ichigo, aizen vs ichigo, ichigo destroying the dimension, ichigo slashing yuha all are ap= ap feat via having equal or more spiritual pressure) like blame your author man your supposed uni momo was smacked by a tree level vanishing rasengun
There's a difference between stats and hax. Ichigo's STATS are equal to soul king empowered Yhwach, or at least relative to soul king Yhwach, since he was able to fight on par with Yhwach before the almighty kicked in, and broke Ichigo's bankai twice, and revived himself, the almighty is considered hax. Ichigo's=to Yhwach in stats, and tiering, and one shotted Yhwach twice in the final battle, and even killed Yhwach in 2 separate alternate realities.
Yhwach said it himself once Ichigo went True Bankai + Hollowified that he needs to rely on his hax to beat him. Why y'all saying shit when you don't even read bleach bro? I read Naruto to learn more about his feats/story and not shit on it randomly (and yes, Naruto still loses to Ichigo)
There is something you missed, Ichigo didn't only hurt Yuha, he unalived him. Hiamwari hurted Fodder-To, when Fodder-to wasn't in his strongest form and Hiamwari just hurted him, she didn't defeat him.
@@gameholics360 why do people totally ignore that in bleach you'll need equal or more sp to hurt or bypass the hax🤷 it's not like anyone can slash yuha in two ichigo did because he was a confirmed sk candidate at that point
Aizen insta killed the cleaner who's 4d. Ichigo killed someone who was able to destroy all 3 infinite sized realms, and all the dimensions connecting to those realms.
Senjumaru shaking 3 Universes with a fraction of her Power generating, AT LEAST, Multi-Galaxy lvls of power 😂ur just a trend watcher who thinks that big flashy attacks equal strength.
@ichigokurosaki9098 right? Like wtf. I personally think it's the best out of the big 3. The world and power system is the top notch. Can't forget about the overall art style. I still get chills whenever I see the clip of Ichigo going bankai for the first time. It's hits so hard in subbed!!!
Until the big 3 series’s ends then we wont ever know for sure who truly is the strongest verse but so far it’s between Bleach and Boruto x Naruto but one piece has crazy potential but so does the other 2 anime’s
The World of the Living refers to Earth and it being parallel to the Soul Society you can cross confirm this with the existence of "Jibakurei" it's referring to all the Konpaku within Rukongai and every other district and Earth. The Weakened Soul King isn't the Original Soul King and is only a part of him that would be like saying Mimihagi is equivalent to it's entirety or Gremmy is. It's able to balance the flow between 3 Worlds and hold them up thus Ichigo isn't Universal. Memories of Nobody backs this up by referring to both realms as "Hoshi" but the Mountain meta is ridiculous.
Yeah. I said a similar thing in the video that they’re “just a planet”. However, depending on how powerful Ywach is based off of the amount of power he absorbed from soul king it’s possible that Ichigo is higher than just planetary.
@@Hapi117 Well I mean the amount of power the WSK displayed was Planetary suppositionally of course and the last of Yhwach's remains that Kazui snuffed out were on Earth. So I don't know how it could imply more power w/o switching the entire meta to another interpretation unless that's what you're implying.
I don't think so. There are literally no clue that Momoshiki created a universe. Not even Kaguya could create a universe, but barely pocket dimensions (planetary sized). We all know that Kaguya > Momoshiki. Not even Isshiki could be compared to Kaguya in term of power, as he was killed by Kaguya after she absorbed the Chakra fruit.
As a Naruto fan I wouldn’t say he’s mountain lvl confidentially his verse is not the strongest it was but as boruto verse it’s ppl who’s literally has god like powers
@@jayyclips8358 Well, Ichigo slaps the Boruto verse as well, the bleach verse is easily better than the Boruto verse. Boruto verse is nowhere near Bleach's level.
Big fan of big 3. But let’s be honest bleach has the worst powerscaling fan base. They have to use Novels, the first bleach movie which nobody should scale to, and wanked multipliers to get them passed multi planet lv. Ywach merging the worlds is multi planet anything higher is pure wank. Because fans think the worlds are universes or galaxies and Ywach is moving or pushing apart stars lol ridiculous
Well, you started off by saying let's be honest and then turned around and said a completely dishonest statement. Most of the novel's are cannon why wouldn't they be used you said that as a back handed statement. And we really don't need the novel's anyway, the manga is enough.Also we don't think anything at minimum these places Wol and SS specifically have shown to be solar system to galaxy sized at least.
You preface with in my opinion, anything higher than multi planet is wank because you saying it so matter of factly is hilarious. And yes many characters do scale too and above the events in the first movie which is cannon so you can cope on that one.
@@pacmiller7564 - honesty is green - your comment is further proving that you need novels and first movie to amp them to heights the manga never showed - World of living is just earth. Soul society is replica in size to earth. Soul society is planet size. World of living is planet size. Ywach effecting these is with hax the same hax that will happen regardless if soul king dies. It’s a chain reaction. Somehow bleach fans think a hax chain reaction between planet size places merging makes them solar system to universe lv. Ridiculous. - The best feat in series is Yamamoto heat burning down soul society over time and kenpachi busting a large meteor that is calced to be country to large country lv. - Majority of bleach series revolves around swords and cutting people the first time they even showed they were capable of real raw power was during espada arc when cero’s and large explosions were introduced. And yet still from espada to thousand blood war arc there’s never been an attack that threatened the entire planet being until old man yam who’s heat will burn soul society over time. The next best feat after this that doesn’t involve a movie is Ywach going to merge the realms. But as we can see it is all hax.
@@pacmiller7564 No one scales to the first movie. A infinite amount of blanks coming together were pulling the Earth and soul society together. Senna used infinite number of blanks with hax to push back soul society and earth from colliding. Without the blanks senna is garbage as we know she is weaker than soul society afc Ichigo Shikai form while Ichigo can use Bankai to fight equally with the royal family member Gen. Soul society Ichigo is only city lv. You think he can stop a multi planet lv disaster or beat someone who orchestrated it ? No because it’s all hax.
@@yellaninja4120 ???Not sure what your point is supposed to be the movie and novels are cannon your not proving anything by continuously bringing them up or am I missing something. Nope and nope at bare minimum SS and Wol are solar system to galaxy sized at least saying otherwise is simply your idiotic headcannon.Better people have discussed and proven these feats already your simply spouting your opinion on the matter which isn't applicable whatsoever. Your other point about the Espada is irrelevant as well as the Yamamoto point what else can be said to someone who thinks Yamamoto has the best destructive feat think whatever you want on that one buddy. And... his hax can affect multiple dimensions what's your point again? the chain reaction disproves nothing considering it was happening incredibly fast.
