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For more than five weeks now, someone has been carrying around the secret that they murdered four people in Moscow, Idaho. Robin Dreeke, retired FBI special agent and head of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, weighs in on "Banfield."
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@sharonbland3843
@sharonbland3843 Год назад
how many times have we heard when a serial killer is caught. His friends and neighbours will be shocked as he was such a nice guy who would help anyone in their community.
@lindasheldon6940
@lindasheldon6940 Год назад
He might be a spree killer ... if this person has done it before or does it again in future... then he is a serial killer... I'm not sure, but I heard that those were the defining characteristics. You are right tho... I think lots of ppl will be in for a surprise.
@DeeDiamond2981
@DeeDiamond2981 Год назад
@@lindasheldon6940 yep I say this too
@lindasheldon6940
@lindasheldon6940 Год назад
@@DeeDiamond2981 such a sad, sad world
@lindac6919
@lindac6919 Год назад
Sometimes they are. Sometimes they are the ones who would save Granny from a burning house. Or help me jump my dead battery.
@dsoule4902
@dsoule4902 Год назад
"He was such a quiet boy...."
@American20232
@American20232 Год назад
The killer is just going on with their daily life, probably pretending to be “shocked” like everyone else
@snydmark
@snydmark Год назад
I think there might be more than one person involved! One holding them down keeping them quiet the other one stab at them!
@jimskeuh
@jimskeuh Год назад
@@snydmark i'm thinking there is another male involved but as in a look out, who's waiting in the car to drive off.
@vjr5074
@vjr5074 Год назад
WORD
@dsoule4902
@dsoule4902 Год назад
... feigning shock in between reliving the gloriousness of their deed.
@anonz975
@anonz975 Год назад
Yup. Shocked or "grieving" and everyone around them is walking on egg shells.
@jennadanielle1023
@jennadanielle1023 Год назад
This case is so disturbing. Literally every single person in this case is a suspect its creepy. These poor families need justice.
@fuffoon
@fuffoon Год назад
For the media its a cow to milk.
@Littleone124
@Littleone124 Год назад
A suspect in the public eye. Most have already been cleared by LE!
@MikeyD0
@MikeyD0 Год назад
Nobody is a suspect. Your little chimp brain wants to point fingers at people when you don’t even know everyone who is in that circle of friends you just know a few people you’ve been told about on the news but it must be one of them!!!
@Gypsy_Soul7
@Gypsy_Soul7 Год назад
Perfectly said 💔😢
@trexmidnite
@trexmidnite Год назад
Could be a transient could be a russian could be the ex bf.. could be an ordered hit..
@deborahbeaudoinzaki8019
@deborahbeaudoinzaki8019 Год назад
If the person is psychopathic they lack identifying human empathy and emotions; so do not expect the killer to feel guilt or pain for these murders; I was a nursing supervisor for forensic units; I have seen how cold, lacking of remorse, and manipulative these psychopathic killers are…
@Kls638
@Kls638 Год назад
💯 dated one and can confirm. This person or persons feel no remorse, they may even feel as if the victims “deserved it”
@aburningbear3138
@aburningbear3138 Год назад
@@Kls638 you dated a murderer?
@johngeorgewashington1416
@johngeorgewashington1416 Год назад
I agree..but he's not looking for fame either..he's not boasting you cannot catch me..and they are watching this investigation just like everyone else .
@traceylok675
@traceylok675 Год назад
Normal people do not commit these types of crime, so yes I agree it will be a non-empath who is pretty smug right now and thinks he will get away with this crime.
@tozi6776
@tozi6776 Год назад
i feel like a crazy psychopath would leave traces on traces this was organized
@randallslinker3775
@randallslinker3775 Год назад
A psychopath has no guilt and acts completely normal
@bdawg3942
@bdawg3942 Год назад
So do you think that the killer sleeps soundly ?
@tknudcarter
@tknudcarter Год назад
You are right. Narcissists reveal themselves in obvious ways but psychopaths are VERY good at acting in normal, appropriate ways.
@marthawoodworth
@marthawoodworth Год назад
But can't get rid of blood, guts, cuts, stains, and bruises on himself.
@tknudcarter
@tknudcarter Год назад
@@marthawoodworth It was winter time plus he doesn't want to leave fingerprints. Gloves would have protected his hands from cuts. More and more this is looking like a "perfect crime." Did he plan this out to the point he wore a hazmet type suit? Took it off before he left, put it into a garbage bag and disposed of it far away. Then no blood where he lives. Who knows but either this guy is incredibly lucky or he's a master criminal.
@pandapumper
@pandapumper Год назад
The killer is holding on to a terrible secret as is the people who know who the killer is
@RitchieCollins
@RitchieCollins Год назад
They are worse.
@zyniaboden8566
@zyniaboden8566 Год назад
I agree! Someone knows who’s done it for sure.
@chief5981
@chief5981 Год назад
@@RitchieCollins definitely not worse
@waynejohnson1786
@waynejohnson1786 Год назад
It’s wishful thinking to assume someone knows who the killer is... For all we know it’s some vagabond from Canada who’s been drifting around the US for a decade... it’s a scary idea but it’s entire possible. Anyone who assumes the killer is local or even from Idaho or the Pacific Northwest is really naive.
@waynejohnson1786
@waynejohnson1786 Год назад
We live in the 21st century, the killer could be from Germany or China... someone could kill 4 people in Idaho and be in Peru the next day.
@wisewillow5731
@wisewillow5731 Год назад
Or, because they were so close to the victims, their odd behaviour is excused as grieving 😕
@waynejohnson1786
@waynejohnson1786 Год назад
It’s possible the killer isn’t a local and most people in Spokane aren’t going to assume their friend or family member who’s been acting a little weird are involved in a murder. Also it’s 2022 and almost Christmas, I’d say a good percentage of the population exhibits odd behaviour right now 😂
@HI-pi1er
@HI-pi1er Год назад
@@waynejohnson1786 the killer is in the friend circle or on just on the out circle of friends . This isnt a serial killer or a random person who murdered them
@michellemooresings
@michellemooresings Год назад
@@HI-pi1er I don't think it's a serial killer, but I agree w everything else.
@watsamatau
@watsamatau Год назад
@@michellemooresings I believe who ever did this had tactical training . To be able to kill four people in the same building with stealth and relative silence . As far as the acting odd theory , Ted Bundy had no problem at all about appearing normal to others . In fact people liked him and considered him an above board personality . Ted even had a degree in psychology .🤣
@howareyou857
@howareyou857 Год назад
🙄
@philip3235
@philip3235 Год назад
This is definitely someone that was close to them.
@Alleycat1111
@Alleycat1111 Год назад
You have to be close to use a knife...
@maclainenoxon4586
@maclainenoxon4586 Год назад
Something that I just can’t wrap my head around: Surely, at the very least, someone noticed cuts on a loved one/acquaintance around that time? I find it hard to believe that this person saw no one - family, coworkers, or otherwise - for several weeks while they healed. You don’t walk away from a knife fight unscathed.
@marthawoodworth
@marthawoodworth Год назад
True. I'm sure everyone in the town looks at each other's hands and arms more suspiciously now, and surely the police have done that screening thoroughly, on all the kids and relatives associated with the victims.
@ellecampbell3271
@ellecampbell3271 Год назад
Hunters.
@AuNTIeGreen
@AuNTIeGreen Год назад
Or the person started off with lack of empathy and psychopathy hence they won't display any behavioral changes...
@spiderweb5539
@spiderweb5539 Год назад
i am a sociopath and i feel like the hardest thing for the suspect if in fact it is one of the "close circle" would be the constant rapid thoughts about what potential errors you made that could lead back to you and the worrying that every new piece of info is the begining of the trail that leads to you or that the bread crumbs are getting out of your own control. Though some people can manage their shedule in such a way that they can enter these deep self assesment which is almost trance like. but you can hide it from people and close off part of your mind at other times. now im not a mass murderer but im comparing to smaller situations. in the moment you can actually almost trick yourself into beleiving you feel bad and actually are sympathetic only to realise when you go deep to your inner dialouge that the actual truth is that every thought your having leads back to you. i feel like im quite inciteful for someone whos mind functions in this way. and yes i know sociopathy and psychopathy are different but still many similarities.
@AuNTIeGreen
@AuNTIeGreen Год назад
@@spiderweb5539 you do have insight into it and I can understand what you are saying! There are some, such as yourself, that can think this way and have a chance of showing themselves rising to a chance to be identified but then there are those that truly believe they will never get caught and do not even think or dwell upon the issue or acts they have done and are much harder to be identified... Thank you for the reply and insight you have shared it does help me to understand more and hopefully others as well! Not many people would have explained what goes through a mind such as yours and I appreciate you for that!
@lilyt18
@lilyt18 Год назад
@Spider Web That’s really interesting insight. Thanks for sharing.
@spiderweb5539
@spiderweb5539 Год назад
@@AuNTIeGreen see with the not thinking theyll get caught thing i tend to disagree i almost feel as if you would just fully expect to get caught and accept that which would in turn allow you to remain more balanced and relaxed which ultimatly would help you with the task at hand which is to maintain your composure and not show any emotional irregularities. for me i constantly battle to make sure i keep things concealed not due to the fear of upsetting anyone but for me if they know this about me then im at a disadvantage and it just makes the ongoing mental battles much harder for me. god i see how terrible this sounds. i dont really use my personailty to harm others for me its more about always winning everything and yes if someones in my way to what i need i have no issue stepping over them but i dont use it in a violent way.
@spiderweb5539
@spiderweb5539 Год назад
@@lilyt18 the experts state so many facts about how "we" operate but a little inside secret is that most of the things they say are the things we get them to say I don't think I've ever had a psych tell me something that I didn't know was coming.
@rmaria517
@rmaria517 2 месяца назад
Thank you for having Mr. Dreeke on your program. 😊
@tedoldham7703
@tedoldham7703 Год назад
I imagine a psychopath with no conscious would exhibit any signs of guilt.
@mobileasaurus
@mobileasaurus Год назад
However, they would worry about being caught. They still have self-preservation
@bdawg3942
@bdawg3942 Год назад
Do you think that the killer would have gone home & slept peacefully after cleaning themselves up? I wonder if the killing is sleeping fine now?
@tsmith3286
@tsmith3286 Год назад
Don't be so sure this guy is acting any different. When he was done he wasn't all of the sudden gonna think OMG what did I do? He knew exactly the damage he was going to inflict.
@tonysplace9255
@tonysplace9255 Год назад
The person responsible may be a loner, and has no contact with the outside world other than his/her own fantasies.
@jimskeuh
@jimskeuh Год назад
@@tonysplace9255 i'm not sure about that, i think he went out and eat at regular places where people knew him or at lest like knew how he acts ... i'm sure these people dont think twice because there are lots of weird ppl out there doesnt make them murderers
@maureenobrien9815
@maureenobrien9815 Год назад
This guy is not a serial killer, I don't think. He is a friend, associate known to their circle who was triggered by some combination of emotion, and humiliation, that led to rage probably because the person who triggered this is so close to him. The other deaths may have been collateral damage as they recognized the killer. But then again, there's no way to know. I think he's back to himself, but carrying this heavy albatross of an unspeakable crime and rationalizing it to himself as "they pushed me to this, this isn't who I am." But, yeah, it is. It's just so horrible all around.
@dougkidd4799
@dougkidd4799 Год назад
I think you are right on in your analysis of the crime
@slugabuny9949
@slugabuny9949 Год назад
Have you ever seen a chick pissed because you left the bathroom a wreck ? Girls cut deep. Sleepy girls see her and are confused Then it's all Edward scissor hands
@scroogemcduckrich9705
@scroogemcduckrich9705 Год назад
agree
@christinedoyle9212
@christinedoyle9212 Год назад
If that were true they would have caught him by now.
@dougkidd4799
@dougkidd4799 Год назад
@@christinedoyle9212 they are building a case, I think
@Aangel452
@Aangel452 Год назад
Not a serial killer. This is a crime of passion and anger at someone, a narcissistic pattern if I can’t have you no one will. Possible mother issues too!
@srodriguez8267
@srodriguez8267 Год назад
🎯
@musclerussell8109
@musclerussell8109 Год назад
That’s what I think the two girls turn lesbian and guy killed them
@ExoTheDrakoXIII
@ExoTheDrakoXIII Год назад
Could be a serial killer (well, Is it still a serial killer if he knew the victims personally and also plotted and then executed a plan?) Idk... All I knw is that The FBI is involved! But Why? Do small towns call the FBI after every murder or does it need to be multiple victims or is there some other criteria? Such as a FEDERAL CRIME that was committed? (The main issue with most Americans is that we simply do not ask questions as we would rather lazily accept the first narrative being presented to us but the "crazies" won't stop asking questions and so we're messing the Game up... : )
@vjr5074
@vjr5074 Год назад
@@musclerussell8109 🤣🤣
@laurieclarkson9180
@laurieclarkson9180 Год назад
Not necessarily.
@reason6835
@reason6835 Год назад
I wish they'd release the behavioral profile of the offender.
@joralemonvirgincreche
@joralemonvirgincreche Год назад
I'm going to predict someone angry, entitled, and amoral.
@lilyt18
@lilyt18 Год назад
That would be extremely damaging to the investigation. Let’s say they did release a profile.. They tell the whole world what type of guy this is, what job he probably has, how he acts towards others.. etc etc. Guess who also gets that info? yeah the killer. A handy how-to guide for how to change his behavior.
@reason6835
@reason6835 Год назад
@lilyt: Excellent point.
@grouchyolslut2574
@grouchyolslut2574 Год назад
I would love to hear it as well but whispered in our ears so the freak that did it cant hear.🥴
@johnny-brings-a-good-point
@johnny-brings-a-good-point Год назад
Little did Banfield know that after this brutal crime, with no murder weapon found and no suspect, EVERYBODY IN TOWN would show a change in their behavior and everyday routine, which put everyone on edge and point the finger at just everybody. You might as well say the people in that town should look in the mirror and point the finger at themselves because of their sudden behavior change.
@diamondgirllisa
@diamondgirllisa Год назад
Whoever did this had a timeline and I can even bet he/ she/they planned it for a while. Why do it right before a major holiday? Why do it right before graduation? Because they knew there would be changes on campus where people would not notice an absence. Changes where this murderer could mask certain behaviors such as relief for sadness or indifference as PTSD. I think the person / people responsible for this will be a surprise to many. I can’t wait for the truth to be brought to light and some sort of justice for the families. The families will never have their children back but I hope one day at least this monster can be put away forever.
@marthawoodworth
@marthawoodworth Год назад
The only "surprise" I can think of is someone like Richard Allen, the Delphi suspect; someone "hiding in plain sight" that no one would would suspect, like a Walmart greeter or a pizza delivery guy. Someone not "connected" to the victims, but who "watched" them and might have been slighted by the girls who barely noticed him.
@michaelclyburn5858
@michaelclyburn5858 Год назад
What's SUPERCREEPY is that nutcase could be anywhere.😳
@user-nq4hw5eb9d
@user-nq4hw5eb9d Год назад
He could’ve seen your comment😳
@elle7856
@elle7856 Год назад
There are evil people everywhere,not just this person. That's what scares me.
@bdawg3942
@bdawg3942 Год назад
J - he? Do you know something?
@michaelclyburn5858
@michaelclyburn5858 Год назад
@@user-nq4hw5eb9d Probably...
@user-nq4hw5eb9d
@user-nq4hw5eb9d Год назад
@@bdawg3942 no it was kind of a joke but everyone just assumes its a guy from the strength it took. Also, I’m sure the killer is watching the case just like they always have but in this day in age you can more actively interact with the news through social media, apps like RU-vid, etc. so theres a high percentage that the killer has been reading comments and maybe even interacting with people unknowingly.
@stevenhollingsworth733
@stevenhollingsworth733 Год назад
This is not a serial killer and they are so irresponsible for saying that. This is someone that knew those girls very well and had been in that house before they felt comfortable in that house. This is a crime of passion fueled entirely by emotion. The person responsible is hiding in plain sight.
@jacquelinesnowden8174
@jacquelinesnowden8174 Год назад
I totally agree...Imo they have been right in his face more then once...
@flylikeabutterfly951
@flylikeabutterfly951 Год назад
Yep
@Afterimage1
@Afterimage1 Год назад
I really think they should NOT count out the ex-boyfriend.
@jacquelinesnowden8174
@jacquelinesnowden8174 Год назад
@@Afterimage1 agree..
@oldaccount5217
@oldaccount5217 Год назад
Or it was the same person who did the stabbing in Marion County. Then it is a serial killer and you’re wrong. You could be right, could be wrong.
@deniseterrell2515
@deniseterrell2515 Год назад
I feel so bad for the families.. this Christmas will be the worst. 💔😰
@lilybond6485
@lilybond6485 Год назад
and every Christmas thereafter.
@eagleeye2300
@eagleeye2300 Год назад
Unbearable for their family.
@thisisme3238
@thisisme3238 Год назад
Undoubtedly true
@mandycote5662
@mandycote5662 Год назад
comparing ‘christmas’ to eternity without Christ tells to show man is spiritually lost and lives only for the temporary- blind and deaf to the reality of God
@maureenobrien9815
@maureenobrien9815 Год назад
....and all of the Christmases to come. You can't recover from this. It changes everything for them.
@sommerashley8115
@sommerashley8115 Год назад
I'm still confused on how 2 ppl slept through all of this...or why they called a friend over...or how they thought someone was unconscious instead of dead...I can only imagine how terrible this crime scene was. I would have ran out while on the phone with 911! Or be afraid the killer may be in the house...its very strange behavior 🤔
@jenicemixson1305
@jenicemixson1305 Год назад
It's sad that you can't be fun, pretty, young, and happy without someone creepy noticing it. My daughter is like that and I'm scared 😔
@Gypsy_Soul7
@Gypsy_Soul7 Год назад
Same here, but it’s my niece. She’s a junior in college, living with 5 other roommates and looks so much like Maddie that it makes me extra unnerved. This case is so horribly sad 💔😢.
@orlandovega6958
@orlandovega6958 Год назад
Whoa relax, you guys know why she and the others were murdered? Victim mentality
@thisisme3238
@thisisme3238 Год назад
@@orlandovega6958 Explain please 🤔
@Thedarkestduchess
@Thedarkestduchess Год назад
I agree with Orlando down there.... I don't think it's rational or even fair to assume they were killed because they were young, happy, or pretty. Maybe it is a reason why, but probably not the entire reason. Here's why- Its NEVER because of anything the victims have done or are. EVER! Its because the murderer is a DEVIANT freak psychopath who had a bloodlust and a real fkn problem with these people. My number one suspect in this case would not have killed any of them for the reasons the OP wrote about, but, again, as i said its because they are incredibly insane and incredibly evil! Period! Prayers to your daughter.
@Thedarkestduchess
@Thedarkestduchess Год назад
@@thisisme3238 see my reply. Explained his/their comment perfectly
@lindac6919
@lindac6919 Год назад
Who DOESN'T harbor an awful secret? I'll never tell my kids where/how I finally found their poor, dear hamster. That secret goes to the grave with me.
@blissiimo2064
@blissiimo2064 Год назад
As a psychologist who specialises in Dark Triad Psychopathy, your interview with Robin Derek it was a pleasure. He is very clear and knowledgeable.
@ar4203
@ar4203 Год назад
im wondering what you mean in "specializes in dark triad psychopathy" you state "dark triad psychopathy" as one concept- not sure if just meant like dark triad AND pyschopathy or something like that maybe but saying dark traid pyschopathy as one thing seems to be qualifying it as type of psychopathy or specifying some difference from just regaular pyschopathy, which is confusing. If psychopathy is one of the 3/"triad" of traits of the dark triad personality theory im wondering what dark triad psychpathy would mean exactly. Also; you say to specialize in dark triad pyschopathy but im wondering what that means in terms of like the general specializations in psychology( like clinical, cognitive, counseling, developmemtal, etc etc etc) which area or type of pyscholigst or practice etc would specalize specifically in psycopathy or dark triad? I imagine as broadly applicable/important fundamentals in any/all area but unclear where as exclusivley or primarily so?
@tonysplace9255
@tonysplace9255 Год назад
With a lack of evidence, I doubt that your training would have any bearing on this case.
@bananainacup
@bananainacup Год назад
@@ar4203they are probably not actually a psychologist
@juliekswanson
@juliekswanson Год назад
Really excellent questions-great interview and insights!
@newbooks9858
@newbooks9858 Год назад
A sheriff commented on the FBI profile. He said the profile is a total waste of time as far as picking up a criminal suspect. You can't read the profile and then detect and arrest him. After you make an arrest, you can check out and compare him to the profile out of curiosity.
@BillyAlabama
@BillyAlabama Год назад
Interestingly the person you’re describing is Darrell Brooks. Obviously he didn’t participate in this tragedy, but he’s the type. Watching his trials revealed so much to me about this type of person who has no moral compass.
@scroogemcduckrich9705
@scroogemcduckrich9705 Год назад
more like Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer
@stevewhitener4903
@stevewhitener4903 Год назад
@@scroogemcduckrich9705 I think Anyone that can kill or run over ppl during a Christmas parade and not not give a shit or show any signs of any remorse really has something wrong with them mentally.
@scroogemcduckrich9705
@scroogemcduckrich9705 Год назад
@@stevewhitener4903 obviously
@scroogemcduckrich9705
@scroogemcduckrich9705 Год назад
@@stevewhitener4903 but THIS killer is more like a Bundy type of character
@4sakesalive-75
@4sakesalive-75 Год назад
Prayers For The Families
@Cutest1TheGame
@Cutest1TheGame Год назад
Great interview! Very good point (and hard to do) to avoid confirmation bias.
@walkie1985
@walkie1985 Год назад
But they expressed confirmation bias?
@RolandDeschainofGilead784
@RolandDeschainofGilead784 Год назад
This killer is a Frat Boy or student that had a grudge against one or two of the victims in my opinion!!
@Sebrinawilliams67
@Sebrinawilliams67 Год назад
The fact the killer was able to even think about doing what was done but actually following through makes me think the killer lacks empathy, care or love. I doubt remorse is felt and is probably doing life unaffected.
@zachjones6944
@zachjones6944 Год назад
Most Serial Killers move around.
@rossome3043
@rossome3043 Год назад
Who's to say it was only one person
@user-nq4hw5eb9d
@user-nq4hw5eb9d Год назад
Definitely not out of the realm of possibility
@TelephoneToughGuy
@TelephoneToughGuy Год назад
@@lupitachavez4102 : Ephesians 1:11 "All things are done according to God's plan and decision" This means that having the 4 young adults murdered is according to God's plan.
@borismedved835
@borismedved835 Год назад
@@TelephoneToughGuy Clueless nonsense.
@borismedved835
@borismedved835 Год назад
Every rational view of the evidence says that.
@PersiaX
@PersiaX Год назад
well it was the same knife they said
@GrannyGooseOnYouTube
@GrannyGooseOnYouTube Год назад
The thing is, almost ANY person living near campus would be acting "differently" after this massacre near them. The killer, if local, could mask his anxiety or guilt with feigned upset over the tragedy.
@LittleOrla
@LittleOrla Год назад
And what about the ex-boyfriend who drove 500 miles to his parents' cabin the night of the murders? Apparently parents and everyone thinks that was perfectly normal behavior?!!?
@StevenWilliams66
@StevenWilliams66 Год назад
Remote viewers and psychics are needed at this point.
@lindayeager3126
@lindayeager3126 Год назад
Ashley, right off the bat of this murder ,Jack D. Changed his appearance, he was a blond ,after the murders ,he dyed his hair dark and grew a darker beard ,and in the Delphi murders they asked the public ,to notice if anyone changed there looks ,to let law inforcement know ,so that's exactly Jack D. DID ,I DIDNT EVEN Recanize him after the murders from before of his picture 😳
@christopherbentley5446
@christopherbentley5446 Год назад
Not correct
@o0o-jd-o0o95
@o0o-jd-o0o95 Год назад
recanize???? you mean recognize???
@cookie_dough_hangover
@cookie_dough_hangover Год назад
@@o0o-jd-o0o95 don't be that person, really.
@tirkentube
@tirkentube Год назад
@@o0o-jd-o0o95 yeah don't be that person. let me do it. it's RECOGNIZE not RECANIZE
@goddyssbacon9317
@goddyssbacon9317 Год назад
@@cookie_dough_hangover that person is always necessary
@kellycregeen1393
@kellycregeen1393 Год назад
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL.....THANKS GOR GREAT CONTENT
@ainnochaim9450
@ainnochaim9450 Год назад
Wow. That was absolutely useless.
@wendyg2386
@wendyg2386 Год назад
Great interview & insight. Have no bias, gather info, look for patterns. Objective v Subjective.
@walkie1985
@walkie1985 Год назад
They were biased lol
@wendyg2386
@wendyg2386 Год назад
Most are biased.
@susankenney7536
@susankenney7536 Год назад
How did the two girls not get harmed? I can't imagine how they feel. Waking up to what they saw. There families I can't imagine their feelings. I sure hope this doesn't go on to be a cold case. That person or persons need to be put away
@borntobewild9056
@borntobewild9056 Год назад
@dishdog7886 I have to believe the killer slit the victims throats so they would die quickly...just stabbing someone in the torso is usually not quick and people sometimes survive multiple stab wounds and can fight back. That would also explain why no screaming or yelling by the victims. This crime could also have been done by drug cartels...if drugs were involved in some way. Maybe one or more of these kids were selling and didn't pay up or were told to stop...they didn't and a message was sent!
@hokeywolf3416
@hokeywolf3416 Год назад
Anyone who is capable of doing something like that probably feels proud, not awful.
@ml.9417
@ml.9417 Год назад
This is soooo dark and sickening. I feel nausea
@Chulitatr
@Chulitatr Год назад
The roommates or the property owner are the one's on my list of suspects. No way they didn't hear or see anything.
@jennadanielle1023
@jennadanielle1023 Год назад
Exactly. They even said one of the victims had defense wounds meaning she fought for her life. That wouldnt be quiet at all!!! And to “sleep” through that is just insane. I dont care how drunk they were, they werent deaf.
@joycetheobald1717
@joycetheobald1717 Год назад
The roommates even went and got matching tattoos after the murders. I thought that was creepy. Almost like their "trophies". It still gives me the creeps.
@debbiejustus1617
@debbiejustus1617 Год назад
The property owner??
@debbiejustus1617
@debbiejustus1617 Год назад
WHAT?!? Didn't hear about matching tattoos......THAT IS creepy
@Traptinachangingmaze
@Traptinachangingmaze Год назад
@@joycetheobald1717 so you have zero legitimate evidence to accuse them of this heinous crime? However you still do? Got it. Good job bud
@ltee2261
@ltee2261 Год назад
It's likely someone who's hidden the fact they are a psychopath for years. Some of them can blend in. If they've done this before or planned it for a while then they will be expert at putting a mask on for the world. If no conscious or empathy then they won't exhibit signs. They will possibly be content and unphased. Or if it is a person who's snapped maybe they have threatened their loved ones to be quiet or end up the same 🤔
@user-nq4hw5eb9d
@user-nq4hw5eb9d Год назад
Its not “some”psychopaths that blend in its most. A majority don’t become serial killers.
@Gypsy_Soul7
@Gypsy_Soul7 Год назад
Basically, a Ted Bundy 👹
@tonysplace9255
@tonysplace9255 Год назад
That's assuming the killer is amongst the students. It could be a loner from the apartment next door that has no contact with others.
@garybulwinkle82
@garybulwinkle82 Год назад
It was the forth horseman of the apocalypse! He rides a black horse and brings death and famine! Did they even bother to check for hoof prints!!?
@mattg768
@mattg768 Год назад
True I worked with a guy who acted normal and held down a job very nice guy, one day police came into work and arrested him, turns out he had killed 4 people in his house then killed his wife 6 months later and they only caught up with him because his wife's friend went round and he had killed her and just left the body on the kitchen floor. He had buried the other 4 in his garden (uk). Even told police he forgot to clean up his wife's body after he killed her with a hammer.
@r.a.mcinnes8103
@r.a.mcinnes8103 Год назад
I want to know why we don’t have any footage /pics of the bodies being removed from the home?? No Hearst, no ambulance, when did the bodies come out of that house???
@claycollins8973
@claycollins8973 Год назад
I just can't comprehend how someone can commit something like this, like wtf
@patrickbrennan1044
@patrickbrennan1044 Год назад
Probably has the best poker face ever
@SharpTac
@SharpTac Год назад
What are the signs when a news organization has no news to report....
@debbiejustus1617
@debbiejustus1617 Год назад
What??
@hankheel9944
@hankheel9944 Год назад
Come back to this channel every hour or so and see lol
@SharpTac
@SharpTac Год назад
@@hankheel9944 🤣🤣
@robinfricchione7857
@robinfricchione7857 Год назад
Do they ever report the news? They tend to prevent the news from coming out.
@Didem888
@Didem888 Год назад
The killer could even be a butcher, or someone who likes to hunt! One of the girls was a waitress, so it could be a client who had a crush on her, maybe he even asked her out and she turned him down! 🤔
@timgreenglass
@timgreenglass Год назад
not sure but heard one of the 2 girls in bed owns a new range rover, and one of them had an ONLYFANS account. i believe it was someone one of them may have dated once or met online. or the two survivors know much more...college kids keep secrets, and their whole timeline feels hinky as heck. hows about drug screens on the bodies. these killings are not the work of a disorganized stranger.
@Didem888
@Didem888 Год назад
@@timgreenglass so true! And they threw a lot of parties! Whoever it is has very good getaway skills and probably has a temper!
@deniseblackburn33
@deniseblackburn33 Год назад
Good information 👍
@wendellbonin7059
@wendellbonin7059 Год назад
Thanks for working towards justice and rehabilitation for the Nation ! ❤️
@naomilopez9036
@naomilopez9036 Год назад
They were filled with so much happiness and joy. Maybe someone envy them.
@rua369
@rua369 Год назад
For anyone making very good points on it possibly being Kaylee 's ex wouldn't the cops have has to search his place already if they thought in any way it could be him? We are 5 weeks out and by now he could have gotten rid of anything and everything pertaining to the murders. God comfort and strengthen these families and give wisdom and direction to the everyone involved in trying to solve this horrific case. Prayers continue 🙏.
@ShadyBooty
@ShadyBooty Год назад
Nope. Not enough probable cause to get a search warrant. Yet.
@michelles1517
@michelles1517 Год назад
Banfield you are so Good! You always take the questions to a new level!!!
@herbwag6456
@herbwag6456 Год назад
The longer this goes unsolved, the more I think it was a serial killer
@lovenothate2023
@lovenothate2023 Год назад
Interesting points Robin Dreeke, what an interesting man.. good perspective that we non-law people don't even consider. Great guest News Nation, finally.
@walkie1985
@walkie1985 Год назад
Bot
@rmaria517
@rmaria517 2 месяца назад
​@walkie1985 maybe you are.
@bobdaniel350
@bobdaniel350 Год назад
Remember except for phones there have been no search warrants.
@Unfiltered_from_The_Bronx
@Unfiltered_from_The_Bronx Год назад
Looks like this monster is not going to get caught until he slips up and talks to someone about what he's done.
@jacquemartinez8333
@jacquemartinez8333 Год назад
My gut feeling hasn't stopped telling me that it is either the 2 roommates or someone the victim (s) had been around 1 to 60 days prior to the murders.
@jackhayden2364
@jackhayden2364 Год назад
Something very strange about the roommate. Especially the big one. They know Something. Why call friends when you know you should call 911?
@christiehamilton7536
@christiehamilton7536 Год назад
My gut feeling is the roommates, too.....
@jacquemartinez8333
@jacquemartinez8333 Год назад
@@jackhayden2364 I'm very bothered by the fact that 4 people could make noise & try to fight off the killer(s) YET 2 survived YET KNEW NOTHING. HOW IS THAT ?? WHY did they NOT get murdered too ??
@VeganCenobite
@VeganCenobite Год назад
Should more than one person be considered? How could one person take out four people, especially if some of the victims had defensive wounds?
@edub9930
@edub9930 Год назад
8 teenage girls just stabbed a man to death in Toronto. & a group of people were caught walking away in a cops bodycam in Idaho the night of the murders just saying
@lawrencelitterini4973
@lawrencelitterini4973 Год назад
Serial killers all have a modus operandi.....kinda of a signature. Nothing in this case released by law enforcement leads towards a serial killer.
@lukkymee2000
@lukkymee2000 Год назад
Did you really say that the murderer “basked in the loveliness of it”? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!
@netiestokes
@netiestokes Год назад
I think this case will drag on and maybe take years to solve if it will be solved at all.
@trevmac8362
@trevmac8362 Год назад
Agree 100%
@Flowerpower10
@Flowerpower10 Год назад
I honestly only see Jack S as a suspect because he simply disappeared within hours of being with the girls. His family takes a trip to Kenya every November. He left in the middle of the night to their second home. He had time there to clean up and then leave with them on that flight. It’s a weird time to leave for a college student. No one is answering questions about where he is now, or what car he drives. If I was either of the Jacks I’d be clearing my name publicly.
@jkalibeelz4339
@jkalibeelz4339 Год назад
Interesting 👀.. Why isn't anyone really bringing this up ? First I've heard of it..
@judyray9729
@judyray9729 Год назад
I keep hearing Jack S fled to Africa, but I have yet to find any documentation that he left the country. It should be easy for sleuths to find a flight record or something to support this allegation.
@jkalibeelz4339
@jkalibeelz4339 Год назад
@@judyray9729 They need to do that cell phone data search that picks up all cell numbers in the area. Same way they did on J6 & voter mules .. I forgot the name of it.
@judyray9729
@judyray9729 Год назад
@@jkalibeelz4339 That's also a good idea but I've read speculation that the suspect could have easily left his/her phone at home with YT autoplay activated. Who knows?
@jkalibeelz4339
@jkalibeelz4339 Год назад
@@judyray9729 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TRQEkhlAf_0.html
@dmm29
@dmm29 Год назад
A monster capable of such atrocity is not capable of remorse or guilt.
@TLo6080
@TLo6080 Год назад
Top notch show! I want to hear more from this guy…
@scottythetrex5197
@scottythetrex5197 Год назад
I don't think this person is really around other people. It wouldn't surprise me if he was an outdoors type, hunter, and lives in the mountains alone, maybe even a camper/bivouacker. Ex military or law enforcement background.
@ltahoe7195
@ltahoe7195 Год назад
I don't think it was a drifter or someone that happened to come upon that house. I think it's someone they knew.
@jimskeuh
@jimskeuh Год назад
@@ltahoe7195 i think it was someone who worked close by one of the girls. developed an obsession/fantasy and even hatred towards her
@lexione14
@lexione14 Год назад
Someone had some defensive wounds and would probably show alot of energy and seems happy or gloating of some sort. He is proud he has eludes LE this long.
@laurachesser933
@laurachesser933 Год назад
You think someone slaughtered four people and have the capacity to feel guilt ? They don’t feel shame for what they did.
@June-tb4vi
@June-tb4vi Год назад
Isn't that crazy that these people think that oh yeah he's sitting in his room crying LOL
@bobbyswain7049
@bobbyswain7049 Год назад
I still believe it's someone in their immediate circle
@littlezentz
@littlezentz Год назад
this case is a learning case for these guys. So thankful, we need some eye openers. This ain't a former agent, he retired at the top level of the FBI for an agent.
@lilyt18
@lilyt18 Год назад
A quadruple homicide may not be the best time for on-the-job learning..
@tonysplace9255
@tonysplace9255 Год назад
All murder cases are different, and people learn new things all the time. It doesn't take away from the investigative skills of the local police or FBI.
@lilyt18
@lilyt18 Год назад
@leadwithlove I misunderstood you, I apologize.
@littlezentz
@littlezentz Год назад
@@lilyt18 Did you watch the interview. The eye opener was the Chief of Counterintelligence (its actually Head not Chief) Behavioral Analysis Unit FBI retired. That is about as high as you can go for experience. OJT?? The rest are appointed by presidential.
@lilyt18
@lilyt18 Год назад
@Leadwithlove Yes I did in fact watch the interview. I was not referring to him in particular.
@Juliettee1061
@Juliettee1061 Год назад
Trust me, he didn’t just snap. He was always crazy and there were signs early on with his personality. In childhood, adult life. A maniac like this doesn’t just become a maniac overnight
@kevynanderson4711
@kevynanderson4711 Год назад
Still don't understand why they still assume it's a male. I almost positive it's a female
@johnnyboro9558
@johnnyboro9558 Год назад
@@kevynanderson4711 probably from the wounds. from what i've gathered, at least two of them died from deep stabs to the heart. meaning someone would've put the knife on their chest and pushed down hard putting the blade between the ribs. It would have to be a woman with abnormal upper body strength, so it's just more likely a male
@anonz975
@anonz975 Год назад
@@kevynanderson4711 Cause males have 3 times the upper body strength of females and one of the victims was a fit young male. Well that and biological women rarely choose a knife (unless it is the first thing they grab in the heat of the moment and the killer brought his own weapon).
@kevynanderson4711
@kevynanderson4711 Год назад
@@anonz975 Male was sleeping, he was caught off guard. And there is always exceptions to any rules. A good investigator never negates any probable suspect/s. Lizzie Borden wasn't immediately interrogate, and therefore evidence was lost due to foregone assumptions.
@kevynanderson4711
@kevynanderson4711 Год назад
@@johnnyboro9558 You've discounted of those under duress or psychosis. What we do know, thus far, is It was person. "Hell hath no fury..." Women's equality! Right? Never underestimate the possibility of a female suspect. #Lizzie Borden. And trust, she is one in a list of many women that were prematurely disregarded due to their gender
@nuracaicedo2632
@nuracaicedo2632 Год назад
Thank you Ashley Ben field doing my favorite's and Nancy Grace
@samuelpope7798
@samuelpope7798 Год назад
I don't have enough information or expertise to say what is or isn't likely. i just feel that too many people are dismissing this possibility out of hand. 5 myths about serial murder acording to FBI. Myth #1: All Serial Killers Are Men. Myth #2: All Serial Killers Are Caucasian. Myth #3: All Serial Killers Are Isolated and Dysfunctional Loners. Myth #4: All Serial Murderers Travel Widely and Kill Interstate. Myth #5: All Serial Killers Are Either Mentally Ill Or Evil Geniuses. Persistent misinformation, stereotypes and hyperbole presented in the media have combined to foster a number of popular myths about serial murder. Based on recent FBI crime statistics, there are approximately 15,000 murders annually, 150 victims of serial murder in the U.S. in any given year. The FBI estimates that there are between twenty-five and fifty serial killers operating throughout the U.S. at any given time. If there are fifty, then each one is responsible for an average of three murders per year. Serial killers are always present in society. If you are one of those people that still think real serial killers come across as socially awkward you really need to listen to the taped interviews of Gacy, Kemper, BTK, Bundy, especially Kemper. ​​There are lot of good docs and books about the ones they caught. I wish I had a nickel for every detective that said the thing that freaked them out the most, the thing that made their skin crawl even more than the horrific crime scenes, was just how affable, normal, often well spoken and downright ordinary these killers seemed during processing and in interviews. What is "the" serial killer personality type? Answer,....... there is no such thing.
@fullnelson3028
@fullnelson3028 Год назад
this lady is just grasping at every tidbit of sensationalism she can for clicks. Get onto actual news instead of feeding the speculation.
@user-nq4hw5eb9d
@user-nq4hw5eb9d Год назад
Exactly
@wildmercuryfilms
@wildmercuryfilms Год назад
She has to fill time. One of my favorite lines of Johnny Carson, which he said to Charles Grodin: “I need to fill an hour per night. I just need warm bodies.”
@MC-xv6gx
@MC-xv6gx Год назад
Should have been a reward offered very early on. The cops are hapless.
@nickyb7266
@nickyb7266 Год назад
It’s only a matter of time! This murderer will not get away with this!
@rabidgoon
@rabidgoon Год назад
'person' wrong. it was a sasquatch.
@anitakristensen4679
@anitakristensen4679 Год назад
I would say CHUCKY. Chucky loved to kill with knives, he loved it.
@borismedved835
@borismedved835 Год назад
Gee, that was sooooo cutesy.
@bdawg3942
@bdawg3942 Год назад
The dog ?
@9SecondStreetMustang
@9SecondStreetMustang Год назад
Ashleigh do you only have 1 shirt? Or are all your shirts white? It’s one or the other 🤣🤣🤣
@lizpurr8402
@lizpurr8402 Год назад
😂😂😂
@sansabaelish3341
@sansabaelish3341 Год назад
Some of these people are so depraved this is like swatting a fly to them. No emotion, no remorse.
@ryanmalone2681
@ryanmalone2681 Год назад
These sort of pieces must create so many time-wasting leads for police.
@danidh7654
@danidh7654 Год назад
Maybe a hitman was hired by someone?
@bdawg3942
@bdawg3942 Год назад
*Hitperson
@Slowhobolicker
@Slowhobolicker Год назад
they should set out a reward, I know they're reluctant too but this is a college town. Money talks, college kids need money and I bet some are holding out on giving them tips until then
@annarchy665
@annarchy665 Год назад
It is def worth trying. Doing something like offering a reward is better than just sitting around.
@dalo7183
@dalo7183 Год назад
It’s hard to believe that people still believe that this crime was committed by 1 person. Just baffling
@discombob
@discombob Год назад
If they were sleeping then it would be easy. Difficult to think couple people would be ok planning this out and not one of them has cracked
@dalo7183
@dalo7183 Год назад
@@discombob still wouldn’t be that easy even if they were sleep. It’s 2 people in each bed one would scream or yell and wake the others and fight back. Unless it was a professional that knew exactly where to stab someone so they couldn’t fight back or do anything
@deloresochoa3593
@deloresochoa3593 Год назад
Exactly especially the soul.
@starrs9948
@starrs9948 Год назад
Still trying to ask: What about all the people (that the surviving members called) and came over before they called the police? Every article is unclear/unsure of who and the amount of friends they called/came and went before police came. Just idea of people having time & taking weapon.
@lizpurr8402
@lizpurr8402 Год назад
One of the surviving roommates made entrance to the second floor and caught a small glimpse of the carnage. She ran outside where friends were on their way over to her, and she passed out from shock. One of the friends made the 911 call from her phone.
@wildmercuryfilms
@wildmercuryfilms Год назад
@@lizpurr8402 I heard this same story. I wonder if it’s true. I think details like who made the call & from whose phone it was is not important to “solving the crime.” I just believe people are in shock & they’re doing weird stuff because they’re in shock. For instance, I saw someone at a pharmacy collapse in the entryway, and I started telling people at the register to call 911. Later, I thought: “Why didn’t I call 911 with the cell phone in my pocket?”
@mobileasaurus
@mobileasaurus Год назад
@Elizabeth Purr ive often wondered if one of the 2nd floor victims made it out of the bedroom, to the common area & collapsed. So when going up to the kitchen they saw them and ran back down/outside. Since it seems odd to go in someones bedroom. Unless if they were super close or the door was left open.
@coryhaynes1721
@coryhaynes1721 Год назад
I wonder if someone’s ex boyfriend is acting different
@howareyou857
@howareyou857 Год назад
🙄
@gerardcooch6296
@gerardcooch6296 Год назад
This guy blends in and has no remorse about what he’s done. Hes a true psychopath. He’s intelligent that goes without saying otherwise he would of been caught by now. He has planned this all out, this isn’t off the cuff.. the guy is not stupid. Cold case I’m afraid people 100% I’d be surprised if this is solved in 2023
@greatstate48mom
@greatstate48mom Год назад
They seem to have no idea
@Noticerofthings
@Noticerofthings Год назад
It do be like that
@user-nq4hw5eb9d
@user-nq4hw5eb9d Год назад
I don’t understand what people expect. The police aren’t going to give out their entire investigation. They are trying to catch a killer without tipping him off to what they know.
@LOLONO666
@LOLONO666 Год назад
they need to know that this person will hit again
@spirit13the1st6
@spirit13the1st6 Год назад
Where is everybody at? The 2 jacks, the roommates, adam ,loach . THESE people have disappeared.
@FRAME5RS
@FRAME5RS Год назад
I told Adam (ex-boyfriend's roommate) everything. Nobody has been MORE quiet than that ex.
@sunnoski9195
@sunnoski9195 Год назад
I agree, was he always quiet or just all of a sudden? Only his friends would know... if his friends say he was always outspoken and now he is avoiding attention then that would be a red flag.
@dianayount2122
@dianayount2122 Год назад
do something on the regional ax throwing contest that was held in Moscow that weekend. Perfect population for carrying one of those knives (or one like it.)
@marybethwestbrook6870
@marybethwestbrook6870 Год назад
Strange that no one has mentioned that event happening the same weekend. When Kaylee's dad described her terrible wounds ( I don't think the coroner should have divulged that to him) I was thinking it sounded more like a hatchet was used instead of a knife?
@Better_Call_Raul
@Better_Call_Raul Год назад
@@marybethwestbrook6870 That "special weapon tears" stuff is all hearsay from the dad. I think the coroner has denied saying that there were tears and still sticking to her original findings: all victims were killed by knife wounds.
@jennifermaser4943
@jennifermaser4943 Год назад
First it was the dad said it. Then it was said, the coroner told the young daughter.
@hfarve1
@hfarve1 Год назад
There would have been vendors that supported the event.... selling axes and knives perhaps?
@cebuanostud
@cebuanostud Год назад
"confirmation bias - trying to prove one thing or disprove another" hear that folks?!. good stuff
@PoeLemic
@PoeLemic Год назад
Now, I want all of you to quit saying anything to me about me doing it. I've got car exactly like that, and I live a block away from 1122 Kings Rd. But, I wasn't even there at the time, or I was packing around that time. I decided to take an early break for thanksgiving. So, couldn't be me. I had already packed, showered, and left by time all of this stuff happened.
@moa3008
@moa3008 Год назад
The killer better keep his mouth shut; or else he’ll be arrested; and charged with murder; and he’ll be sentenced; and placed in a maximum security prison for life! He’ll probably be facing death threats from his fellow inmates for his entire time spent in prison.
@truthreignsforever9286
@truthreignsforever9286 Год назад
Where is the ire and indignation of Nancy Grace? I watched her expound on this case. We need more ☝️😎👊
@borismedved835
@borismedved835 Год назад
That's the one who thought "tot mom" was so clever that she spewed it about 1000 times.
@KaYnBaE
@KaYnBaE Год назад
Can’t we use google street view or some over the sky images to help?
@siriusleigh24
@siriusleigh24 Год назад
Good luck trying to find someone acting strangely in the U.S. - 90% of your country is nuts.
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