I’ve listened to many podcast, RU-vid videos, and read articles since 10/07. This man by far has provided the most insightful and educational explanation of the conflict by far
Early on you wrote that Israel, "physically kicked out the indigenous population & stole their homes," & this is a lie. The ancestors of "Palestinians" were Arabs who believed the leaders of 5 Arab nations who attacked Israel in 1948. The leaders said, "We will win & you can move back after we win.". Those leaders were wrong. They lost. The Arabs who didn't run away have descendents who are Israeli citizens w good educations, medical benefits, voting rights, elected members in the Knesset. Israeli Muslims Arabs aren't required to serve in the IDF & as time goes on more & more volunteer. Fact; Israel ranked #5 in the World Happiness Report, & Israeli Muslims Arabs, 20% of the Israeli population, were part of the survey. The highest ranking Arabic nations are those swimming in oil money, & they are in the 20s in the world happiness Report. The rest of the region is around 100, with Palestinians at #103. Being filled w hate makes a people unhappy. Israeli Muslims are the happiest Muslim community in the region. Hamas expected them to fight Israel on Oct 7, & they did not. Use some real history. Those who fled lost their homes to war, not to theft. And try to use your brains.
@@dt6822 you seem to don’t know most arabs left israel asked by arab leaders. And the land was actually purchased, by arab leaders, who forced arab owners to give it to them, so they could sell it to zionists, in order to rise the price as they wanted, at the same time as speaking against jewish colonialism. The so called “exile” happened 1) purely for safety reasons 2) by arab orders, in order to strike the attack to definitely destroy Israel in 1948 These are historical facts If you like talking about occupation and colonialism, tell me what are muslims doing in Europe, making ghetto boroughs with sharia law, who act de facto as independent enclaves, forcing locals to flee through violence, and eventually telling them that is a no-go zone. Do we europeans have the right to slaughter them all? I’m interested.
@@dt6822Is this from a book of fiction...Koran 5:20-21? I know you're allergic to the truth. Have fun with your lies. What dies without lies? I.S.L.A.M
Always a delight to listen to Dr. Scheuftan. Such wit, candour and pragmatism. Whether one agrees or disagrees with him, there is something to take away from his discourse. Thank you.
Dr. Scheuftan, you are amazing! Defending your statement about the danger of pluralism without limits, you cited the example of the cannibal joining the dinner party. When you said, "No, when I go to dinner, I want to know if I'm on the guest list, or on the menu," I exploded in laughter! How perfectly expressed! I so wish that I could have been one of your students! I agree, don't go out to dinner with the Palestinians or the Iranians! If you do, you'll be on the menu!
Dr Scheuftan explains the Israeli/Palestinian conflict in a realistic detail. With the present mindset of the Palestinians there will never be a peaceful solution to the coflict.
Loved the "dinner with a cannibal" example. People who don't understand that too much of good thing can be terrible are burying their heads in the sand. Even drinking too much water can kill a person.
This isn’t PM Netanyahu vs Gaza-this is a struggle between regional and global tyrannical forces as we witnessed in WW2. The US press is so narrow in its focus currently-painting a legally elected PM from a liberal democracy who has far less internal power as PM then do US presidents for example -as a tyrant akin to Sadem Hussein or the Ayatollah of Iran just to scapegoat him as somehow responsible for Oct 7 and somehow perpetuating “war crimes” etc when the war criminals are Hamas and their bosses Iran and Qatar. Putin is deeply involved in Oct 7 as well-why? Because it’s an existential global crisis of tyranny vs liberal democracy being played out -Gaza and Hamas are a microcosm.
if anything bibi is a spineless coward rather than a tyrant . and they would say the same about any israeli leader it's not matter if it's bibi or anyone else.
What else can we expect from Barbaric fundamentalists, other than to embed themselves amongst the civilian population and blame Israel for their strategy and martyrdom. So glad you accentuate that there has to be limits in all fields of liberalism, pluralism etc. A regional M.E. war including all the Islamic states would lead to a Global Abattoir. The Region needs a democratic Israel, the response of our young Israelis to Oct 7th, they stepped up with courage and bravery, true warriors. We can count on our people ( Yes the blunder of the Government/intelligence/IDf failing our State and people hasn't been addressed YET) Nonetheless this generation took up their arms and are giving their best fight. I am so proud and have so much respect for our younger generation of women and men. God Bless the children of Israel.
Where do you think Israeli soldiers, UK soldiers, US soldiers, Australian soldiers and all other soldiers live, on Mars maybe? Every house in Israel with people aged 18-55 harbours soldiers hiding in the civilian population.
It takes bravery to be a soldier but bombing a population that has no army, no Air Force and no air defense is not a brave strategy. In Gaza, Dahiya and the West Bank the IDF has fought the people as a whole instead of engaging the militants where they are. In relative terms this is a cowardly strategy.
@@endertotem4354you obviously didn't hear a word of this interview. He said (I don't quote exactly) : if you are barbarians who commit the most atrocious crimes by your neighbours and then retreat behind the bodies of your own civilians, you have already won because you have idiots on your side who would go to any extent to forbid the victims to defend themselves, all this in the name of "humanity"" In the book of Proverbs: "Whoever is merciful to the cruel, will be cruel to the innocent" Why didn't you object to the carpet bombing of Raqqa and Mosul that caused 70 000 deaths among the "innocent civilians" of Daesh. Daesh and Hamas have the same ideology and the same goals: world Caliphate, extermination of the world Jewry. Their only difference is their immediate target: Europe and regional for Isis, Israel for Hamas. I understand your indignation, killing Js is not such a big deal after all, Christianity and Islam have been doing it since they have detached themselves from their Judaic origins.
The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them. Karl Popper describes the paradox as arising from the fact that, in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance.
one of the best podcast this channel ever had, probably their most watched. scheuftan is amazingly coherent, something we deeply need. (change the "if" in the title to "of")
Look into volunteers for israel, they offer subsidized trips and you can volunteer on a kibbutz or army base or a variety of other options, I worked in a rubber boot factory in kibbutz dafna near the Lebanese border in 1988 and got a cheap trip in my early twenties. Warning, it's country remote living and some drudgery work if you're in search of the glamor and beaches of tel Aviv skip it and save your money, there's other ways to get there without paying as a tourist, and the tourism industry is struggling so I bet prices are way down, good luck it's definitely memorable.
This is high academic level analysis . One of the best takes I’ve ever heard . It’s a shame no one invites the top Israeli professors for interviews abroad , only Israeli populists and spoke people get invited to debates and interviews while pro palestinians get their professors everywhere (some of whom phd is based on Hamas stats but nvm)
"in every Saddam Hussein there is a little Thomas Jefferson trying to come out only he had a difficult childhood and we must give him humanitarian aid..." 😂 Spot on!!!
What a clear and realistic analysis of the current situation here in Israel and in the world. Dan Schueftan has very perceptive things to say, among them: "Everything good comes from the middle of the political spectrum".
Dan is brilliant. One can understand now that like Israel hindus can never leave in peace with the Muslims because indian Muslims have the same leadership, ie, MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD
I respect a lot of what is said here, but he lost me when he compared the Muslim Brotherhood to the Israeli political party of Shas, and then said "is unbelievably dangerous". Be extremely careful when comparing, because it will probably be misunderstood...
A country which manages its constitution through shared, informal understanding and commitment rather than in a fixed theoretical form is able to manage change and development without breaking the theoretical model.
kind of do, it's an ongoing process, it's built in chapters in Israel.. we call them "Fundamental Rights", these are laws with a super legal status. there's one about the authorities of the parliament, one about courts. one about human dignity and liberty. I believe it's what Americans call amendments, just different name. the ideas and purpose of Israel are generally mentioned in the declaration of independence. check it out.
Loved the show! What would Dr Shuefta say about Dr Kedar's insistance that only by allowing the Gaza, Samaria and Jjudea Arab tribes to rule as they once did, can there be a tolerable peace, with no terrorism towsards Israel. Return them to their ancient tribes and they will govern sensibly, because each tribal leader will have control. The central political power is what is destroying any hopes of peace. Distribute the central power among the tribal authroities and the area can experience normalization.
No question that Dan Scheuftan is very insightful with his analysis about the geopolitical situation regarding the destructive nature of progressivism and the folly of international institutions, the UN and its branches. However, when he says that there is no fundamental issue that split the Israeli part (non Haredim nor Arabs) of our society, he can't be more wrong. How can he say that the Israeli High Court rule over the Knesset is not a major problem that split the Israeli society. I speculate that he comes from the secular elite that is fine with the current situation of non-democratic High Court rule.
I know that using extreme examples is natural, but since it's the second time I hear the "cannibal" story... I don't know any cannibals. But I do know plenty of smokers (of which I am one). The problem isn't "you can't have too much pluralism", the problem is they say it but don't ACTUALLY understand WTF they are talking about. If they did, smokers would have a place to eat & drink too. But we don't. Nowhere in the "Western" world Why? Is the western world not capitalist? Why can't I open a restaurant (or bar) that respectfully asks customers to be tolerant of smokers? Do the smokers not pay taxes on legally obtained tobacco products? If I promise to pay my employees extra for working in an unhealthy environment and also promise to have insanely good air-circulation how is that different from factory conditions? Should factories not exist? Where can I open shop?
He's exaggerating the importance of Meretz, the religious zionists are way more important in the Israeli society so giving up on them for the crazy progressive party doesn't make sense. And I'm not even talking about the fact they're the only ones who saw the danger of Hamas (and the Palestinians in general) and wasn't mistaken by the security's establishment conepetion.
@@nipsonanomimata Well I was speaking about the religious zionists who always opposed to widrawl and have always warned that leaving a territory will only increase terrorism, the discussion over the disengagement plan we're completely over that subject and the people that were most ridiculed were mostly right. And addressing smootrich, he said that from a diplomatic point of view the PA os more dangerous than Hamas, but he always held the opinion that we should destroy Hamas at the first opportunity we have and take back the control of the Gaza strip.
Its difficult to listen to someone who sees the world in cold brutal realist terms of power and influence and yet sees himself and his nation as the unallied weak victims even as they commit atrocity and genocide.
The root of all this Western confusion is affluence. Affluence creates weak-minded people who cannot get their priorities straight anymore. Most foolish behaviour in an affluent society does not go punished immediately and therefore has a chance of becoming a general trend. By the time the punishment comes for behaving foolishly, the fools cannot make the connection to their original error, where they went astray; so, it becomes impossible to make the right corrections and leave the path of foolishness.
hello i wrote a book too called MEMOIRS OF A VISIONARY its about a certain Jewish lady called the Holy Virgin Mary she appeard to me me on feb 15 1974....The world will never have peace unless it knows Jesus Christ. Jesus said it easier for wine to turn into vinager then vinigar into wine.
The problem with Israeli intellectuals is that they evade responsibility by criticizing the international community which Israel can’t control instead of looking inward and critiquing what led Israel to reward its’ enemies with land and legitimacy which destroyed Israel’s legitimacy. It is a fatal flaw in classical Zionism that magically an exemplary state (Israel) will necessarily lead to acceptance and an end of antisemitism. This Kantian moral imperative has prevented political reform in Israel and a rejection of the self sabotaging policy of land ( a concrete particular) for peace (a universal abstraction). Debate how Zionism has aspects that do not promote the centrality of territorial sovereignty (a concrete reality) in favor of abstractions like peace, acceptance or recognition).
Biggest problem for Israel - dishonesty, not the political far left and right. The usa breaking apart is the sheer dishonesty of the democrats. I think he's also wrong about smotrich and ben gvir. These two have been the closest to wanting to win and don't buy the bs of civilians or aiding them. As this fellow said, "70% support khamas." khamas=civilians.
I get now what he sees. Kissinger got the israel egypt peace treaty. That looks good, but he overlooks the peace was coming without kissinger anyway on better terms for israel. He just has a blind spot.
Fascinating talk. I agree with you about the 3 societies in Israel. Two being separate from the general Israeli society- the Arabs and ultra orthodox. Yet I think we can see that there is also a movement among some orthodox towards the mainstream. There are some Arabs who feel more close to the general Israeli society today, but since very few of them are vocal about it, I'm not going to trust it to much. Oct 7th taught us not to trust our wishful thinking about the Arabs. Unfortunately. As for America... sometimes I'm amazed by how dumb can they be. Specially the woke left, They've invented a hole new level of stupidity. Yet others must balance that somehow, cause for now America still functions... although it's not looking to good. I agree that American politicians never had a good understanding of the Middle East, yet we have to admit- Trump knew exactly how to deal with Iran, the Palestinians, and others. Ultimately, he brought us the Abraham accords. I think he deserves credit for that. He was right about China, covid, Russia, and the BLM riots. I wish he would come back to the White House cause that's what America and the world needs right now .
That's your opinion but not necessarily true . You need your counterpart to discuss all the subjects you are talking about . Why you don't invite Dr.Norm fekeinstein.
Listening to this man - who appears to be taken seriously in Israel - explains a lot why Israel is in such a shitty situation, largely of its own creation.
I want to know if I'm on the guest list or the menu 😂😂 great example I heard someone say.. you raise and pamper a cute baby crocodile so that it will eat you when it grows up I heard someone say.. you raise and pamper a cute baby crocodile so that it will eat you when it grows up
Dan has a very radical opinion in his willingness to just give lands - it seems like Dan is not aware of why the Jews are here of all places We will not give lands whether if its in the promise of peace or for any other reason
The dehumanisation begins in his first few words. He calls the Palestinians barbarians. There’s no sense in listening to anything else he has to say. Very disappointing.
I enjoy this guy’s rhetoric. Agree with his characterization of the barbarians. I disagree with some of his pontifications glorifying the center - but he’s always amusing.
The proof of the barbarity of Hamas was their announcement to the world that they were going to behave like the Amalek. Scratch the surface, and you can see that they haven't abandoned the savagery of the Bible, regardless of the veneer of civilisation that they project, especially the Ashkenazim. History alert: I sometimes mix up the protagonists.
I absolutely believe that Dan Scheuftan is a very intelligent man. But I have a feeling that some see him as intelligent because he is direct and do not care about being "polite". This is not why he is intelligent. But being as he is, being straight forward without the stupid politeness, which is unnecessary, but apricated in most circumstances, he either seems like a lunatic or a wonderfully intelligent man in "modern times". He is reasonable, and I bet he is very intelligent. But please don't measure his intellect in the lack of political correctness or politeness... Even though I do believe myself that if you come to the conclusion that unnecessary politeness in matters that needs one to be straight forward is a sign of social intelligence. But one must remember that this is also a sign of the lack of social intelligence. So which is it? In Dan Scheuftans' case it's the former, rather the the latter.
He lost me at “Barbarians”. A people who have lived under siege, apartheid and Israeli occupation for decades whose 1st peaceful intifada brought slaughter of civilians cannot be called more barbarous or terroristic than those who have subjugated and oppressed them.
Let us keep it simple …. Do you pay rent … do you pay for you lunch …. Or do you think a right to have a free lunch ? Barbarians pay for lunch & pay rent . Do you pay anything for anything?
