The fact that he allowed me to seek him and feel him even when i did not deserve it, all because of his will, is all the more terrifying to think about.
"Jacob I have loved, but Esau I hated." Seemed pretty harsh given they hadn't done anything yet. But we can't forget that God does not exist within time as we have a concept of it. From God's perspective before a person is even born their entire life and all the choices they will make with their "free will" has already happened. God can give righteous judgment and predestine someone because he knew everything about a person before they knew it about themselves. From our limited experience of reality we can never assume what God has chosen for ourselves or each other. We should never try to determine if someone is going to hell or not because we are unable to judge rightly the way God is. Instead we should do as our lord commands and preach the gospel to all men, finding those who receive it.
@@thomashughes4326 Perhaps my explanation leaves open some things that should be explained. I will have to admit that I am not an expert on this topic and I am still learning. I certainly believe that God has the ability to choose freely whomever he wills. I also understand that God is just and would not unjustly send someone to Hell. Of course his ways are higher than mine, and my understanding of things can be flawed. I'm sure when the Biblical authors wrote about these things they had a greater understanding of the topic that has been degraded through both language barriers and cultural differences. I am sure that our salvation is not based on works we have done, but on what Christ did for us. My knowledge on this topic will continue to grow with more study but there are things that may never fully make sense until we stand with him face to face. For now it would probably be best if I stopped thinking out loud in the comments section.
The Father rose him up and to Yahshua himself . Read John 17 please , Matthew 5:17-19, . The glory must always be given to His Father Who sent Him. YHWH
Why not a combination of both? God sees the will of Man outside of time. Therefore He determined to send a deception, but only after leaving the options of grace open to everyone to choose/ reject Him first in their timeframe, respecting their autonomy. He is then still saddened and unwilling to punish, but the perfect Judge must follow through on the moral and spiritual law that was set. It takes nothing away from God's glory to say he allows Man make decisions, but He can and does intervene at certain points, involving certain people, to accomplish His specific plan. Love the biblical references always given in support of the answers given in these episodes. Thank you for speaking God's word above all else.
@@jankoekemoer6034 However Mr Koekemoer Isaiah did say that A remnant will choose YaHWeH and the witness of Yahshua . Yashua did Say in John 17 that the people he spoke to and preached to including His disciples did choose His Words, which the Father( YaHWeH) gave Him and the people YaHWeH gave Him to preach to , took on His witness. The false son Jesus was given through The Roman Catholic Church to the people in 325 AD at the meeting of Nicea where the false son was made out of two deities (Iesus and Krishna ) which translates into Jesus Christ. So whoever is following that message , good luck. YAHUSHUA said that He did not come to abolish the law or the prophets and that not one Iota or dot will pass away untill it is fulfilled. His lost sheep has found Him and His witness from YaHWeH has found us. May YaHWeH's Name be Blessed forever and ever!!!
@@jankoekemoer6034 Matthew 5:17-19 helps us to understand , man will choose his witness to go back to YaHWeH and His laws. We are the lost sheep in dispersement Mr Koekemoer. Question to you sir. Where did all the IsraELites go after Captivity in Babylon and Assyria? Please answer the question. Then I will know if you know what you are talking about sir. Please also know that I am not attacking you sir. A lot of us has been mislead by the whore of Babylon which just preaches this love message of the false son jesus
perfect! today's reading was in John 6:39-40 when it mentions God's will is for all to come to know Jesus and be saved. Will begin the video now. thank you so much for this
@@jacobotes7119 then what do you make of this from 1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2
@@waxbruh5965 Though He might pay the penalty for these sins, ... Is this payment required to be accepted by the Father? That's the question we should be asking?
@@waxbruh5965 so what do make out Of John 17 as well as Matthew 15:24He was only sent to The lost sheep the Father(YaHWeHgave him to preach the Word to ), Matthew 5:17-19 ( He did not come to abolish the law or what the prophets before him spake, but to fulfill them sir. Which is the tribes of IsraEL should turn back to YaHWeH in order for their sins to be forgiven , in order for the rest of the world not to be wiped out) It is because this false word is being preached by the "church" that there is salvation to everyone that this world is going to hell. In Matthew 23:15-16 YaHSHUA says: Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.16"Woe to you, blind guides"!!! In John 17:2 Yahshua is speaking: since You(YaHWeH) have given him ( Yahshua) authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all( the tribes of IsraEL he preached to) You(YaHWeH) have given him(Yahshua) . 3. And This is eternal life( the message of the kingdom for the scattered sheep of IsraEL) that they know you, the only true Eloha,and the son Yahshua the Messiah,whom You(YaHWeH) have sent. 4. YAHUSHUA SPEAKING: I have glorified You on earth, having accomplished the work ( preaching of the message to the lost sheep- IsraELites in dispersement) that You(YaHWeH) have given me(Yahshua the son) to do. 6. YAHUSHUA SPEAKING: I have manifested Your Name( YaHWeH) to the "People whom You gave me out of the world". ( Scattered tribes of IsraEL). Yours They were (Book of Exodus, Deutoronomy, Numbers, Leviticus)and You(YaHWeH) gave them to me, and they have kept Your Word( The Law) . 7. Now they know everything that You(YaHWeH) have given me ( Yahshua) is From You(YaHWeH). And read the rest my good man.
Scripture clearly teaches its God’s will for all to be saved scripture also teaches that not all will be because not all will believe. The answer to the question is quite simple.
Jesus also said “ And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.“ and that the Spirit will “And when He has come, “ convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.” Throughout the world whenever the gospel is preached the Holy Spirit convicts men of their sin and the truth of the gospel. Those who respond in faith and repentance are saved while those who harden their hearts and resist the truth will be damned.
@@jesussaves3741 It's difficult to have a fruitful discussion of a Calvinist view of soteriology if you don't understand Calvinism itself. Calvinism as a position holds to human responsibility and Divine foreordination. On a surface level these doctrines contradict, but they are both clearly taught in the Bible, and not entirely irreconcilable beyond our experience. Consider Hamlet's soliloquy. How much of was Shakespeare and how much of it was Hamlet? It was 100% both. "You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? As indeed he says in Hosea,“ Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’” “And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’” And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved, for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.” And as Isaiah predicted, "If the Lord of hosts had not left us offspring, we would have been like Sodom and become like Gomorrah.”" - Romans 9
I have come to see this a little differently. As a parent of children... let's say you have multiple children. You want all of them to be successful, providing for themselves, independent of you but as they are seperated from you, you have less and less control and say over what they do or don't do. Your influence over them, when they are grown, is completely dependent on their asking for your influence/opinion/help and them choosing whether or not to accept or listen to your advice and "will." I really, really desire all of my children to succeed and I am willing and able to help lead them to that success, even when it's hard, even when they make mistakes... as long as I'm breathing, and as long as my kids want me around, I will be available to them, not to enable destructive behavior or lifestyles, but to help them live the best life that I feel that they can live. But it is entirely up to them to listen/not listen.... do or do not do. I might have a child that is extremely receptive to what I say and do and flourishes and I might also have a child that never listens or never asks and does their own thing and reaps the consequences. Now I am not God... I am a fallible human and my advice isn't always perfect and maybe the one who doesn't listen ends up doing so much better than I thought they would and it was better that they didn't listen to me. But our Heavenly Father IS perfect and His heart to help us is even greater than ours for our children... but He had placed the choice in our hands. He knows what evil people will choose and plans accordingly, to further His glory. He hardens hearts and sends delusions, but it does not say He hardens a heart that would have otherwise been open to Him.. it's implied that the heart that is hardened was already hard. The ones who were sent delusions were also already deluded. We're either lost or found, saved or damned... we either love God and listen to Him or we hate Him and have no desire to hear of Him. If your child has no desire to hear from you and hates you... don't you still love them? Wouldn't you still do anything you possibly could to help, heal and restore them to you? That is the real cost of the cross. He wanted ALL to come to Him, but with our free will He knew that not all would. This is the cost of free will. This is the cost of the cross. He saw what it would take to have a true people for Himself.... how many people would have to live in pain.. how many people would suffer... how many people would reject Him.. He saw every evil thing that would ever happen... every evil that people would do, some even while proclaiming His name. He saw all of this on the earth.... and He made it anyway. WHY??? Because of us that would choose Him. He saw us from the beginning. And He said we were worth all of it. He is just. He is loving. He desires all, and paid for all... but He also decided not to override our free will, because He wants our relationship to be genuine and unspoiled. He is the Most High... that means, by nature and definition that ANYTHING OTHER THAN HIM is LESS THAN HIM. Just by being other --- we are less... that is how evil entered creation. God made another. Therefore every possibility of evil now exists. My children are different from me. We have things in common... but they are different. They are going to choose things I wouldn't choose and they wouldn't choose some of the things I choose. I still love them.. I love them in spite of their differences and I love them BECAUSE of their differences. If I could only love a child that was exactly like me then it wouldn't be them that I was loving... it would be myself. How can we all be so utterly different from God and also be able to be with Him for all of eternity??? THE REDEMPTION OF THE CROSS!!!! The cross, takes something that began broken and imperfect and makes it whole and perfect. We will be like Christ, but also keeping our individual identities for all of eternity. You will have your body, but GLORIFIED. You will still be you.. but even more you than you are now because you won't be weighed down by pain, sin and disease. You will be free to worship your King for eternity.. with your unique voice... with your unique song that only you can sing with your entire being.. because only you fully know all that He did in you to get you there by His side. We'll get to hear the songs of others and sing our own song too... Hallelujah!!!! Praise God and thank you anyone for reading.. I'd love to hear your thoughts as I respect John Piper so much and his followers are surely a bright, spirit-filled bunch!
Hi Jess, grace and peace to you 🙏🏻 I think the analogy you used is leaning towards a synergistic view of salvation where God works with us in effecting salvation i.e God provides the means to salvation (through Jesus) and then man has to decide whether or not to receive the offer. The problem with that view is that it makes man sovereign instead of God because in the final analysis, your work (of receiving Chris) was the decisive factor of your salvation. Yes, man has free will in a sense that we have the faculty of choosing e.g. you can choose what clothes to wear, what food to eat, etc. but when it comes to making moral choices e.g. choosing between good and evil, we are far from free because we are in bondage to sin. Romans 3:10 says “there is no one righteous, not even one. There is no one who understands. There is no one who seeks God.” Because of the fall, we no longer have the capacity to choose God on our own. The only way we will turn to Him is when He sends the Holy Spirit to change us, and give us a disposition to follow Him. Thus, making our salvation a monergistic work, meaning God is the author of salvation from beginning to end. We have no contribution. To be sovereign is to have full control. God is sovereign and has full control over His creation. He has chosen before the creation of the world those who will be saved. He chose them not because He saw what people would do, but He chose them according to His good pleasure (Ephesians 1:4-5)
Sorry . There is no redemption in the Cross because there never was a cross. It was a pole vertically put into the ground. And Yahshua never was king of the jews, because the word never existed untill 1611 in the NKJV. He was leader of the Nazerios, The Nazerene movement . The two who were folterred with him was two of the same movement. YAHUSHUA CAME only for the Lost Sheep The Father YaHWeH gave him in John 17. He did not come for the world. The Farisees and Scribes made conversions of nations who were eve suppose to be converted because even YaHSHUA said, woe to you farisees and scribes who go over land and see to make one convert, who makes those in turn twice a person in hell.
If he did that then your love for him would not be genuine. You would only be a well-programmed robot. God created you to know him. He didn’t create you for hell and he created a mechanism for you not to go there. God did not create robots. That wouldn’t benefit humanity. God created humans that can choose. He didn’t put them in an absolute sterile environment without other options or they might as well be robots. The fall of Adam was not a shock or surprise to an omniscient God. The death of Jesus, his son, was not plan B. The creation of mankind is his most generous act secondary only to man’s redemption. God had to create a person that was capable of choosing and had a will of his own, if he were to impart the ability to freely choose him or tell him to “piss off”. Salvation by faith in Christ’s death and resurrection is the mechanism by which a man can choose to subject his will to his creator’s will - and have nothing to boast of. Doing so, he receives forgiveness of sin, eternal life and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to provide fellowship with his creator. It is the perfect plan to create creatures that are not robots, who have choice, whose will is not violated and then share himself with them. The atheist cries, “God’s mean.” “God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked but that the wicked turn from his way and live.” Ezekiel 33:11 *He isn’t rejoicing that some go to hell.* “God is not willing that any should perish.” II Peter 3:9 “God would have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.” I Timothy 2:4 “God is the savior of all men, specifically those that believe.” I Timothy 4:10 “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that whoever would believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life.” John 3:16 Do you want to know how to be born again? Acknowledge to God that he is right and you aren’t Trust that he sent his son to die in your place, and was resurrected from the dead. Turn from your sins If you genuinely do those things you will be born again. Otherwise he has no other option but to send you to a place that he doesn’t want you to go and created a way for you to escape. *this was not written with in mind. It outlines for the unbeliever why God can’t do what you describe.
Memowilliam, your entire model puts man in control of the situation - not God. This is degenerate, even insulting to God. You say that if God saved us, then we wouldn't be able to love him. Maybe that's true for you, but not me.
@@mattr.1887 What’s insulting is your idea of love forced on another. Are you a sadist? A rapist? For love to be real it cannot be forced or imprinted on a person. We must choose to love him. “I love him because he first loved me.” How? While I was still a sinner Christ died for me.
Good question. really true Gos´s will is to save everyone, and bible is so clear in this sinse, but is importante to recognize that God in himself creat the way that the humankind should be save, and even willing to save everyone, it´s only possible by his word. grace alone!
Don't let these arguments of theology keep you away from hitting your knees, digging into his word, and sharing it with everyone. It almost seems like it's the pride of men that get into these debates that most of the time is between believers 😂. It's almost like it's satans stumbling block from us sharing the gospel with non believers, I catch myself all time time getting into these debates with brothers verse sharing the good news with non believers. Matthew 28:16-20 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
I appreciate referencing both possible approaches to this difficult topic. I must say Arminianism seems to be the approach that equates “God is love”. In order to have love you must have free choice. Thus God desires all to be saved just and yet all are not are in agreement. As a groom loves his wife but what kind of marriage is a forced marriage vs how beautiful is a marriage with both turning by their own free will towards each other. So Jesus will come for his bride. It is still by his grace that we are saved and even by his divine strength does he give enough clarity for us to choose whether to take the forbidden fruit or not in such moments otherwise we would be overrun by satan who if he has his way would give no such choice.
Do you mean that God gives his grace and clarity about Himself only to the people who decided to accept or give a thought on Him due to their free will (something like only if the seed is sowed out of free will, God will water it). And doesn't give grace or clarity about Himself to people who never thought about Him even with their free will (didn't or couldn't sow the seed, therefore God will abandon them). Or is it like a lucky draw; like, to random people God decides to give grace and clarity and therefore save them?? But God gives his grace and clarity to EVERYONE, right? As it is said in romans 1:20 God is constantly revealing himself to EVERY SINGLE ONE so that everyone is accountable on the day of judgement. Also he is the GOD of no partiality. So it doesn't fit the characteristics of God to say that he predestined on whom to give his grace and clarity, right?? Cause its kinda terrifying to think that God show himself to only certain people!!
All you are doing here is equating a libertarian view of free will with the biblical view. To be free is to be united to the good, freeddom is not merely the ability to choose from ones sovreign will, if tgis was the case the murderer (who acts of his own "free will") would be free amd the saint (who acts in accordance and obedience with ultimate goodness) is a slave. No person freely chooses hell, they are either tricked or living under a delusion. To say that God "respects free choice to send oneself to hell" is lieka dfatger walking into a kitchen, seeing their child about to throw themselvesin the oven and saying "well i respect that childs free choice. No the good father rushes in he does not respect the childs "free will". So God who is the ultimate father (and yes our fatherhood can be equated with Gods more perfect fatherhood), if he where to respect our choices would be respecting a delusion but not we as people.
@@gwen6622 No . He is not A Tyrant at all. He chose IsraEL and their remnants as His Nation not the rest of the world . Sorry known facts. The only other facts that needs to come to the table is How the Roman Catholic Church and the Jews( Edomites) no relation to YaHWeH's chosen Remnants made the whole world believe that they were the chosen but Esau( Edomite tribe) YaHWeH Hated and IsraEL ( Jacob ) YaHWeH loved.
I've been given over to a reprobate mind and seared conscience. I've been weeping constantly. I honestly didn't even know what a reprobate was untill exactly. I wrestled with habitual sin for 2 years and stumbled fighting alone. I didn't realize that conviction was one of the ways that the holy spirit speaks to people. I'm facing torment every single day
I went through the same thing last year. I thought I had been given over to a reprobate mind. But it was a lie from Satan. The fact that it bothers you and the fact that you are worried shows that you haven't went too far. If you have a desire to want to be right with God and repent of your sins, that shows that the Holy Spirit is in your heart. Seek God.
You gave yourself over. Don't blame God for giving you over to a reprobate mind. James 1: 13Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Lace up those boots, seek God, ask for repentance and find brothers that can help you and hold accountable, brother! God bless you
It's always interesting how many other christians always want to disagree with this, they are typically very adamant regarding "man choosing," lol while somehow also simultaneously saying that God is sovereign. The Biblical God is (and always has been) in control of everything. Man's nature would promptly send "him" to Hell if it wasn't for God's gift to His elect.
@@Boogachomper How do you mean? Are you asking if God is in control does that mean that He can "force" someone to sin? If so, then nope. Remember, God works purposely and in persuasive ways, not in coercive ways.
@@Mojo32 Well, for instance, James 1:14-15 says “But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.” (ESV) Is God controlling a persons desires, that give birth to sin?
Calvinist logic: It is clear that God predestines certain things to take place (see Acts 4:27). Therefore, God predestines everything that takes place by His all-encompassing sovereignty.
God gives everyone free will to accept him or not and believe it or not too many people are just walking away from him and when it is too late they will cry.
God did not force anyone to love him. He opened their eyes to the beauty of Jesus and they believed. Our love for Jesus is our love for Jesus. God does not have faith for us. He does, however, open our souls to see Jesus for who he is. And we believe. No force - just grace.
Tammy Newell my niece forgave me! I forgave Dale Newell my brother in law! Get out of my house stranger! and your Ai machine too! My name is Lewis Robert Burton Jr! And I go to the Thomasville Georgia pines medical and mental health services!
Everyone has the choice to chose whether you want to serve God or not just like he said in mathew alot of people will say l prophecied and remove evil spirit but are not ETC saved. Why because not all the christian will be seved and also not all the sinners will be saved remember God See's inside the heart and also action too there are people who have committed unforgivable sins
Let me get this straight. God wants everyone to be saved but He won't force anyone to love Him even if not doing so would lead to (according tradition) eternal torment? If your child chooses to run in the street, do you let him do so? After all, it is his choice, right?
The trouble is if we take God's will as absolute, as in, "My word will not return to me void" and "I will accomplish what I desire" or (accomplish my pleasure...absolutely and unfailingly) then it should follow that all (humanity) should be conformed to His will and ultimately be saved. Universal reconciliation is heresy in some circles, but it does seem to be more appropriate given what He says of himself and what he desires. Also when speaking of Pilate and Jews conspiring to "murder Jesus" seems more like forcing the situation meaning free will acts by so called conspirators wouldn't be freely willed at all but compulsory, making it not murder and so none would be guilty. If you say God foreordained the event, predestined or predetermined it, that means the outcome was decided before any conspiring Jew or Pontius Pilate was born and they also had no choice to do anything other than what God authored them to do. If not, you presuppose Jesus' crufixion could possibly have not have happened meaning all of humanity would never have the possibility of being saved. So to talk of Pilate and Jews having the blood guilt of the murder of the Son of God breaks down on many levels of logic.
You are missing it my friend. We can show that God determines and ordains some things like the crucifixion, while NOT determining/ordaining sin. It isn't all or nothing. The crucifixion wasn't sin or murder. Jesus said He was laying His life down freely.
It's important to note that even in the thousand years of Jesus reigning as a king on Earth(Post apocalypse), 1,000 years after. People would still choose to follow the old snake. This tells me that humans regardless of having a physical God in their presence would choose their own wisdom and will over what God wants for us. Holy hell it is. It says so much about us humans.
God desires all people to be saved..if people don't like to be saved ..it's their choice..God can't force Himself..men has a responsibility to respond whether to follow God or not
The reason is free will. He wants those who will freely accept, not robots. God is sovereign enough to allow His creation to have freedom of the will. Don't blame God for sin or sinful natures.
Well I guess you can have strong delusions towards God's words and be further decepted as long as you want that's your choice!!! Haha that's sarcasm by the way! Have you ever read any Bible Verses in the Bible before? Let alone know I'm referencing you that even God punishes according to God's will and others God chooses!
@@BrandonLemieux05 you will look back on your foolish comments when you read the Bible for yourself :) Please answer me this. When you look at porn, is it God's ordained decree that you cannot resist, or is it your fault?
@@BrandonLemieux05 you are probably busy, but I would like to hear your answer. If you believe God's ordained will is that you would look at porn last night and you could not do otherwise, you are an honest calvinist. If not, welcome to Biblical view of free will :) look forward to your response
God knows how awful His wrath is for this who don’t believe.. He has so much grace and mercy for those who don’t believe even up til the end. Pouring out His wrath is almost like a last resort
@@CowboyFantastic007 Thank you for asking that CowboyFantastic007. The specification will lie within the next question . To what extent would you like me to go ? To your understanding or to that which has beneft out to hide the truth ?
John 21:9-14 " 9 When they got out on land, they saw a charcoal fire in place, with fish laid out on it, and bread. 10 Jesus said to them, " Bring some of the fish that you have just caught." 11 So Simon Peter went abroad and hauled the net ashore, full of large fish, 153 of them( fish). And although there was so many, the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, " Come and have breadfast." Now none of the disciples dare ask him, " Who are you? " They knew it was the Lord. 13 Jesus (😊1st❤) came ❤ and took ❤ the bread ❤ and gave it to them❤, and with the fish❤ . 14 This was now the third time that Jesus( 😊1st❤) was revealed to the disciples after he was raised from the dead."( John 21:9-14ESV) Luke 24:36( ESV) "36 As they were talking about these things, " Jesus (😊1st ❤)himself stood among them, and said to them, " Peace❤ to you!❤"( Luke 24:36 ESV)
Thank you sir for this. I just find it hard to agree with the examples you chose to make your points because more context needs to be provided to understand who are "the wicked" and why some are not saved and unable to see the truth. I agree that there is duty vs. policy or two types of wants (Will of Decree/sovereign will vs. will of command/moral will). However, I believe it was our choice to be rebellious, which caused God to withdraw His presence from us (as a result of His holiness). This allows for darkness to reign down on us because we are no longer under His wing, find refuge in Him or wearing the armor of God for the disillusionment of this world to have any effect on us. This is why we fall even further away from God into darkness and condemnation and it is only by grace we are able to to find our way again to God. Please correct me where you think I'm still not getting it. The examples you give: 1. Ex. 20:16-- thou shall not lie vs. 2 Thes 2:10-- people REFUSE to love the truth so God sends them into a strong delusion that results in their condemnation --- WE FIRST rejected the truth and turned away from God. God didn't cause our disillusionment because that is what He willed. This is just a consequence of our choice to be rebellious. ---- Similar argument made in Romans 1:24-26 --- the only reason why we gave up what is natural for what is unnatural. We chose not to accept the truth and worship God. As a result, this gave way for our condemnation. 2. Ezekiel 43:11- no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but repentance vs. Isaiah 11:4 - God will kill the wicked. + Deut. 32:39 - kill & give life, wound & heal, no one can be delivered from His hand --- The verse from Isaiah is a prophesy still to happen. There are still righteous people being killed and persecuted while the wicked live and enjoy. I feel like a stronger verse talking about what is rather than what is still to come would have strengthened your argument. ---- The verse in Deuteronomy, in context, talks about the wicked being God's people, Israel. They were wicked and for this they are being punished and seeing so much calamity. Those who receives God's favor are His servants who tried to warn Israel of their rebellious ways and their need to return to God in order to prevent their total destruction. Yes, God kills and gives life, wounds and heals, but it all is a consequence of our actions, but still with the desire to correct and bring us back to Him. 3. Lamentations 3:32-33- doesn't want to cause grief but compassion ---- He causes grief because He punished us for our rebellious ways and rejection of His truth (vs. 1-3). His wrath, as a result of our rebellion, causes us to walk in darkness (a life without Him/no light = darkness). Yet, through all the brutal pain we go through as the chapter continues, we still rejoice in God's compassion and mercy. "No one is cast off by the Lord forever." He wants us to REPENT in order that we can return back to Him and no longer be in the darkness/without the truth. All to say, unless I'm wrong, our rebellion and rejection of the truth causes the withdrawal of God. We see how none of our idols can save us and that our life is condemned without Him. As a result of God's love, compassion, grace, and mercy, He is never far from us, but hopes that we can find our way back to Him again where we see the way, truth, and light.
Okay well done. Who is this US that you were referring to and who is YaHWeH referring to? That he separated Himself from ? I have the answers and discovered them through lots of research and through lots of research others did.
@@jacobotes7119 Jesus is often referred to as Lord more often then he is called God. Lord is one that rules over others.God is also referred to as supreme. I am not going to waste precious time debating you. Be blessed in Christ.
@@bnato8209 Jesus has never been lord in the old text ever before 1611 sir. Please do your research and Jesus was fabricated in the meeting of Nicea in 325 AD . The Messiah's Name is YaHUSHA Messiah, which means YAH is with us. Jesus is the name of the pagan god Iesus (Zeus) and Christ has been derived from Krishna another pagan god. Lord means Baäl, please read Jeremiah 23. And instead of saying Lord we must call him Messiah. Please also note that all kings from the line of Judah like King David was called Messiah
@@bnato8209 God had never been known as Supreme. Infront of the NKJV in the foreword they say God's real Name is YHWH, which is the Name He gave to Moses and by which, was His descendants from IsraEL should call Him. He also says His Name will never change as well as His Laws we has His descendants should follow. Hence why YaHSHUA came only for the lost sheep of YaHWeH, Matthew 17, Matthew 5:17-19
Because God Almighty doesn’t force anyone to do anything! He gave us all a choice…, free will! The only person that determines where that person spends eternity is THAT person and that person alone.
I agree but disagree Mr Charlie. The choice was given but the law was very on the other side. The true remnants has choice too. Who do you think they are ? And where do you think they went after the Tribe of Benjamin and Judah was taken to Babylon and where did the other 10 tribes go after being taken to Assyria?
@@rocketsurgeon1746 Hi Rocket Surgeon. I areal appreciate you reaching out to me. God has a Name HEgave to Moses(Moshe- Hebrew) . That NAME IS YHWH pronounced YaHWeH. I have all the information I can forward to you. Secondly HE has a remnant on earth. Thirdly The Roman Catholic Church through the help of the Descemdants of the Edomite Tribe, who infiltrated the Synagogues back in 167 BC when the Maccabees defeated them. Instead of banning them, the Maccabees (Priests of Judah) allowed them to stay among them. Who are the Edomites you would ask? They are the descendants of Esau. Esau married the daughter of Ishmael, which was against the law of YaHWeH. That is why in the Bible , who is really only the message for the remnant of the Real IsraEL to YaHWeH from Jacob(IsraEL) , it says Jacob YaHWeH loved and Esau He hated. And the word LORD which means Baäl was put into the Bible to confuse the remnant of YaHWeH. In Jeremiah 23 it states that the leaders of IsraEL back then also confused the people of YAHWEH back them to make them forget YaHWeH's Name by changing it to Baäl(LORD). This was the worl of the Roman Catholic Church to take the Old Hebrew scriptures and to put their own lying words in and instead of the message just being for the remnant of IsraEL to confuse everyone and say it is the message for all, which is has never been. Hence Yahushua the real son of YaHWeH expelling in the new covenant( Testament- ) that there will be people coming in his Name and call themselves (Christ) . The name Jesus is derives from Iesus (Pagan god) and Krishna(Christos) another pagan god who was amalgamated by Emepror Constantine in 325 AD at the meeting of Nicea where there was being voted for 150 gods to be the face of the new religion Christendom(which means creaton) Even Hadrian Called them Creatons and these were the priest of the Roman Catholic Church , worshippers of the Sun.
@@rocketsurgeon1746 The choice was given to the Remnant of IsraEL, and this also means not those who call themselves the jews today. The Word kew never existed before the Bible was re-written and translated form Latin my Martin Luther who was burned at the stake for bring the real meaning back in 1532 . It took the Roman Catholic Church from 1536 untill 1611 to try and keep the confusion over and above. The choice was never the rest of the world's, but only the remnant from IsraEL. The second question is , where did the remnant go after being taken in to captivity to Babylon (Judah and Benjamin) and Assyria (the other 10 tribes )?. The ten tribes that was taken to Assyria emigrated past what you can see as the Caucasian mountains into what is known as Europe today. By the other nations they were known as a different name which comes down to the Sons of Isaac. Before being called Spain and Portugal , the same area was a Called the Iberian Paninsula, which is named after the Sons of Isaac. The Blessing went with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (IsraEL) never Esau(the jews) today.
Here's the beautiful truth that both Calvinists and Arminians are missing: "We [elect] are preparing now to rule and reign with Him in the coming ages (Eph. 2:7, 2 Tim. 2:12, Rev. 20:6), to govern five or ten cities (Luke 19:17,19), to sit on thrones governing the tribes of Israel (Matt. 19:28; Luke 22:30), even to rule over all He has (Luke 12:43-44). Our Lord is preparing leaders for that time ... we [elect] are the firstfruits [2 Thess. 2:13, Jam. 1:18, Rev. 14:4-5] -- the priests and kings who will judge the world and intercede for the ungodly (lost) in this age and the ages to come. ... God does not merely settle for the firstfruits. They are but a pledge for the whole." -- Gerry Beauchemin, _Hope Beyond Hell,_ chapter 5, *"Purpose of Election"* section
pastor john mentions distinguishing between 'commanding will' and 'decreeing will' or 'moral will' and 'sovereign will' but no explanation of the definitions of either of these are given. it would have been really helpful to have defined the difference between the two in both sets because otherwise it's of no use to me or anyone else, i have the phrases in my mind now but there's no way i can use them in discussion on this question if i don't know what each means (i realise i can google and will but still would have been helpful for it to be included in the answer here. otherwise was a v helpful answer thanks
There really are no excuses as Gods will is usually also described as thelema: a divine will, A rational desire separate from carnal desire. It is a desire that, separate from carnal or primitive desires is described by james strong as "what one desires or/and has determined to do". The will of God for all men to be saved is intrinsic to his own good and holy nature. It cannot be denied, and WILL come to pass. God said: "... I will do ALL my good pleasure ... " Listen to God. Not man.
Isn’t it a contradiction to say that God’s will is limited by His commitment to glorifying His sovereign grace? Because if God was really committed to glorifying His sovereign grace, well, what would be more sovereign than simply doing what He desires (that is, saving all people)? I’m not sure if I’m understanding correctly, but what I’m hearing is, “God’s sovereignty is limited by His commitment to His sovereignty,” which seems contradictory. To say He wants to do something and then He doesn’t do it is not a glorification of His sovereign grace, but a mockery of it.
Because they do not believe in Our Lord God Jesus Christ and deny who he is and what he has done for them. HE DOESN'T FORCE ANYONE TO BELIEVE BUT HAS GIVEN ALL INDIVIDUALS ON EARTH TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.
God gives people free will. You can choose Him or reject Him. I’m so glad He gave me the heart to choose Him. It’s the *best* thing I’ve ever done and I’d do it again!🇨🇦
Absolutely, praise God if He did will that for you, such an amazing blessing it is! But, you have as much "free will" in this life as (negative connotation aside) a prisoner does within the walls of a prison. You should listen to the whole discussion here, with the Biblical references, which are some of many (which Piper also said).
How can we choose Christ when Christ Himself tells us He is the one who chooses us, not the other way around? *John 15:16* You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.
““Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.” Matthew 23:37 It should read, “my Father was unwilling”
God is God, we are not. God knows the infinite, we are of a very finite knowledge. But we can trust God and He proves that without a doubt. God's desire is that ALL BE SAVED, but He KNOWS the hearts of all men, He knows who DESIRES HIM and He knows who rejects Him. We do have free will and God does not usurp that... but HE KNOWS!
The bible says "no man seeks after God" so you are already proving yourself ignorant of scripture. Again Jesus said he chose the apostles, not they him, and Paul says the same about us. God also says "I will do all my good pleasure" and we know his pleasure is to save all men. Freewill and eternal torment are lies. Its that simple. No need for mental gymnastics.
God is fully capable of completing anything he wants to accomplish. I can't see the creator of the universe as sitting in Heaven with his fingers crossed, hoping every person choses him. Especially when his people's names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the world.
Because you make your own choices, he did all he could. Now it is up to you. He wants you to see and hear him and choose to go to him. Because you can only do that through Jesus. Your choice. ❤
For the longest time I blamed God (when I was still an unbeliever) for every bad thing that happened to the world and to me, not at all seeing all the good that has been done in His name. I'm so glad and grateful that He kept trying to get my attention and though it took a long time for me to finally willingly surrender to Him. (I was so hard headed and wanted to do everything my way and boy, did I have bad choices)
The unbelievable pride of lucifer. And the fact that God allows the devil to think he could best Him. The Omnipotent God. Lucifer is much closer to mankind than he is to God. God could snap His finger and make the entire universe angels and humans disappear and reform it from scratch in an instant if He wanted to. There is no cap on His power or wisdom. Some humans have the same hubris. Think they know better than God. I try to take the Word at face value and understand some things are beyond me.
The only thing I can think of here is that God wants something more than saving all sinners. Maybe it is showing us his Glory in Mercy and Judgement. God is love and God is absolutely just, and I trust him. Hell is very frightening place and I pray with all my heart for salvation. For God to show his mercy there must be a backdrop of Sin. To be honest I do find this very hard to understand but in the end I trust my soul to Jesus Christ.
The "all" has to be taken in the greater context which is "those who are chosen". All pertains to the elect through the start to finish history of mankind. I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy. Only God knows who His elect are.
With all due respect, it's not about enjoyment. It's about truth and the Nature of God as explained by Christ. Universalism is as great a heresy as Calvinism. God will judge us according how we love God and everyone, and how we follow Jesus' sayings and commandments. In my opinion
@@Mary_QQQ you're wrong! Your freewill theology/ arminianism is just an opposite half truth of calvinism... I already was ilana infernalist for ten years, thank you. John 12:32 Revelation 21:4-5
God is most committed to saving all. However, it has to be done legally within the laws of God. Saving by force is called "filthy lecure" in Scripture. It means gaining something unjustly. Using any type of force, control, or domination is witchcraft and completely against God's nature. His will is to save all justly and honestly. That includes giving the high price of the Life of God Himself for your ransom. All that freely come will be saved.
Calvinists would argue, in the context of the passage which is non-Jews coming to Christ, "all people" = both Jews and non-Jews. This is as opposed to the universalist idea that "all people" will be irresistibly drawn to God (which would be equally counter to free will.)
John 3:19-21 19 This is the condemnation, that that light came into the world, and men loved darkness rather than that light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every man that evil doeth, hateth the light, neither cometh to light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth, cometh to the light, that his deeds might be made manifest, that they are done according to God.
short answer: He doesn't really want to. Granting "free will" gets precedence over his plan to only birth people into his belief. Furthermore God forces disbelievers and misbelievers out. Or as the bible puts it "God hardens their hearts". Our God is to be feared for his instruments are punishment and condemnation.
"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them THAT ARE ENTERING to go in." Matt 23:13 Calvinists - Are the people referred to as THAT ARE ENTERING elect or reprobate?
Arminians don’t believe in ultimate self determination. We believe in prevenient grace, which is stating that no man can come to God unless God moves first. It is inaccurate to say that man can come to God without grace. Like Calvinist, the Arminian affirms total depravity. We primarily differentiate on limited atonement.
This is only my opinion but god is bound by law. Once Jesus paid the sins of the world, the law was satisfied, basically God the father would be able, willing and hope everyone at that point would come home. Jesus holds the receipt. This is were different beliefs come in, it’s a long story. But I believe it’s all figured out so almost all of us do indeed return home
The Bible does not teach that we have the free will to choose salvation. It teaches that God is the one in control of our Salvation. No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:44 And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me, unless it has been granted him from the Father.” John 6:65 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48 And a certain woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening; and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul. Acts 16:14
Romans 9-11 has a very happy ending: "God has committed all to disobedience that he might have mercy on all ... From him and through him and to him are all things." (Romans 11:32,36a)
Would you say that a person that committed suicide was only capable of dying because it was God's will for them to die? So why Jesus said "You shall not test the Lord your God"? Do we have free will then?
Jesus. “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. “For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it.” Mathew 7:13-14
There are three choices believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and what he did as enough that you can be saved or believe it was not enough and there's more required to be saved like God having to give you faith to believe or believe that Jesus didn't do what he said he did. God will not force anyone to him. What Jesus did was enough for anyone to be saved. God does not have to give out faith for someone to believe, because that would mean what Jesus did wasn't enough.
@@fakesummer3942Well, since Christ wasn't limited to the laws of physics then it only follows that He's not limited by the laws of logic....you can't explain the miracles...And if you don't believe in the miracles then this doesn't make sense to you.
@@ericpantalone5229 "Not being able to understand something" doesn't automatically prove that it "defies logic" in any way. The "truth" will always be the "truth" and we don't all get to create our own "truth," God is a God of logic and absolutes.
@@fakesummer3942 Well, you skipped the part about the laws of physics. Walking on water defies the laws of physics. I don't need to understand it. I believe it happened. But clearly God is beyond that law. And if beyond that law, then beyond all laws as we understand them. He is outside of time and space.
