“If you believe that there's a Hell-I don't know if you're into that-but we're already pretty much going there. But I'm not gonna lie down until I get there.”-Quote by Walter White-Season 5, Episode 7-“Say My Name” (August 26, 2012)
All Jesse does is add emotional bitchy conflict. He fucks everything up with his feelings. He’s the reason everything goes wrong with gus, and is the reason hank is able to catch Walt. I’m very curious where the show would’ve went without him, would be cool to see different types of conflict
But what if they planned to replace Jesse with an even better character named Schmnessy that we'll never, ever get to meet? Doesn't Schmnessy deserve a chance too?
William McCormick I also remember when I only watched masturbation porn but here I am today watching tentacle porn. Humans become less sensitive to things the more you do them.
Okay, Walt killing people in prison, poisoning a kid, making a drug empire, I can understand his reasons for doing these things. But insulting video games, he crossed the fucking line.
Anthony L Your ignorance and rudeness are off the charts. Do us all a favor and get off your high horse, or take your pretentious comments and go far, far away. Don’t talk about a topic you know nothing about, and don’t generalize about a huge community filled with good people who are very much functioning day-to-day gamers. It’s people like you who make us millennials look bad, buddy 👍
Anthony L I get what you’re saying man, there’s just a much better way you could go about saying it. You’re right, there is a portion of people that play games way too much, but that’s literally with any hobby, honestly. And yes, getting outside and being active are both extremely important things. I just find it unnecessary that you have to call people names and throw insults.. that’s where I don’t agree with you. Besides the names & insults you have some potentially valid points
"All the people we've killed... Gale, and the rest." Walt is so transparent. He has killed so many people, but he only mentions Gale to manipulate Jesse. I'm glad he finally saw Walt for what he was.
Seemed like he was saying "we" killed Gale, not that "you" killed Gale. So he's not explicitly putting it on Jesse. He's saying that all the murders they committed, they both share responsibility for.
@@dark7element You're right, he's not explicitly stating anything. He's just speaking in a manipulative way. There's a lot of people he could have mentioned, but he mentioned Gale and only Gale
So manipulative he said “all the people we killed ..Gale, and the rest” He purposely tries to guilt Jesse by saying gales name and calls his own kills “the rest”
If anything it's the opposite. Hes genuine here. He didn't have to emphasise "we" when talking about Gale. Jesse killed him in a literal sense. This is walt acknowledging that they are both very guilty
Remember. He was a teacher with morals and was citizen of the law. Now he's a drug lord and trying to manipulate a student he was supposed to inspire instead of forcing him to continue this path.
For me, this has always been one of the most pivotal scenes in the entire series. We get to see the divide between these two characters. Walt is no longer an innocent, cowardly man. And Jesse has finally developed into someone who can stand on his own, and willingly walk away from destructive behavior.
Synecdoche Films walt wasn’t a coward. The premise of the show is him standing his ground and earning money for his family. It eventually turned into something else but that’s what it was at the start
"But we're already pretty much going there." - An epic quote. Walt accepts the nature of what he's done and just doesn't care anymore. Walt's realized that him and Jessie are way past the point of no return.
The soft "Mr White" by Jesse at 0:51 shows just how hurt and surprised he is by Walt's sudden use of insults and anger towards him just because he wants to better himself. I think that was the last nice and respectful "Mr White" we get, and it dies with a whimper.
@@sw1rly801 At that point, he literally had no soul He was just there, not giving a shit even when death was staring right at his face. Definitely my favorite version of Walt.
I HATE that he mentions the go karts. That scene where he asked Walter to go go karting with him was a serious cry for help, and here, Walt uses that to try and break him down even further. Ugh.
He says it first specifically to get to Jesse. There were a whole bunch of other names he could have listed off but he chose the one person he made Jesse kill.
Tower Its still just a theory, according to the directors and creators is the actual story. And its pretty obvious that he died. If he didn't, though, I dont think the ending presented would make sense. I will check it out though where is it?
no what suomynona is trying to say is that whatever the creator says is true or canon, then it's officially canon. The fact is that Vince said Walt is dead.
dvdmm1996 I think he would have - he struck me as a very sincere guy, meth cook or no - but of course he would have gone along working with Gus anyway. He probably would've accepted any excuse Gus gave for why Walt died (and he didn't personally know Jesse very well, so.....)
This line really cracks me up: "All the people that we've killed. GALE! ... and all the rest." Deliberately pointing out the 1 direct kill from Jesse and glossing over the others.
You know, I remember hearing commentary that Vince originally planned on Walt deliberately injecting Jane with a lethal dose of heroin. His writers stopped him though. I really wish they allowed him to keep that original plan.
@Kira Yeah, after Jesse got her involved in drugs again after she had been clean for many months. That’s why Jesse was responsible enough to break things off with Andrea lest he drag her down with him, given his ties to drugs, just like how he contributed with Jane.
@@mechadoggy Nah, thats too dark for season 2 Walt. Vince originally had plenty of these crazy ideas like Walt keeping Tuco imprisoned to torture him. Its good that he had a team to calm him down lol.
@@nav5738 “crazy ideas like Walt keeping Tuco imprisoned to torture him” Yeah, but if I recall correctly, Walt was going to torture him in response to Tuco killing Jesse, so it makes sense to not have Walt keep Tuco as a torture victim. Although I generally prefer that original plans are followed, making the decision to keep characters alive is generally always better because once you kill off a character, there’s no coming back. (Besides, this is Jesse we’re talking about.) If a character like Jane has to die, then I prefer that death to be milked for all its worth. Otherwise, Jane (and her death) feels like she was a lemon that was partially squeezed before being tossed into the rubbish heap. (As Mike would say, “No more half-measures.”) That’s one of the reasons why I really wish Vince had Walt deliberately inject Jane with more heroin. (Another reason is because, as Vince even commented, there are way too many fans who still unironically support Walt as the hero.)
@@mechadoggy Just “milking a death” is terrible writing. As he said, that wouldn’t fit season 2 Walt at all. The guy wasn’t a cold-blooded killer yet. He was conniving, but he wasn’t going around murdering people with his own hands. It would have objectively been a massive breach of his character.
Nope. At no point was myself or anyone I know rooting for Jesse. He's a rat bitch. Walt put himself on the line countless times to save Jesse only for Jesse to spill it all to his brother. Jesse is the reason Andrea died. It all spiraled out from him going after Walt and ratting.
@@wabc2336 not to get all into religion in a RU-vid comment lmao but if we’re going with the Catholic version of hell if he confessed and was forgiven he would still go to purgatory until he was “cleansed” which is basically hell for bad people who turned their life around
That's actually a weird phenomenon I've run into myself. When I was living in the Twin Cities, weed and dope were the same thing. Now that I'm living in a small city-(ish) in a rural area, everyone refers to meth as dope and give you weird looks if you use the term to refer to weed. It may just be a regional difference
Which one? Dope being weed or meth? If your'e referring to dope being meth, that would make sense, as I no longer live in Minnesota. I moved back to my homestate. If it's the former than I honestly don't know why that is the way it is.
The show broke the sacred rule for protagonist You always root for them whether they are good or bad But this show completely changed that dynamic. Walt was truly despicable
@@DaygoKid94 I disagree with Walt being “pure evil”. He was deeply flawed, selfish and egotistical but he was also somewhat likeable in certain respects. Bickle was also deplorable, a man willing to kill innocent people just to make himself feel like his life meant something. Walter White and Travis Bickle have similarities in that respect. Both wanted to take control of their lives and prove to themselves/show everyone else that they were special. Walter wanted to do it by running a meth empire and Travis wanted to do it by killing.
@@criert135 I can't say bickle was that deplorable tho. I think he was just unstable. He mainly wanted to kill criminals. Walter White was just ruthless. I can understand being a drug dealer to provide for your family if you have no options. It's the other stuff like poisoning the kid, killing Mike, letting Jane die, mindfucking Jesse just because, willingness to throw hank under the bus, etc etc. He was just too much.
@@criert135 You disagree that Walt was pure evil because he was likeable? Pure evil people can be likeable. Have you seen Gotham? Jerome is a total psycopath, yet everyone likes him. Walt was IMO pure evil. Whistling after dissolving a child's body, watching someone chocking to death and saving her, kidnapping/taking your baby daughter by force, while your son is watching. What do you classify as pure evil? The only thing left for walt to do was to stab holly. That is the only way, walter white fans would realise that walt was evil
2:00 If you believe that there’s a hell, I don’t know if you’re into that, but we’re already pretty much going there, right? But I’m not gonna lie down until I get there.
This show proves that there’s criminals and then there’s ice cold killers. Jesse is a criminal but he has a heart to not become ice cold in his work. One human life dying while he does illegal activity is too much. Walt on the other hand became too egotistical to see what was wrong with his actions.
What are you guys talking about? He literally said in this scene that he accepted he was killing people and was already on his way to hell, but he isn’t going to be going down there so submissively. Only thing he kept in his heart was that he did all of this for himself
probably the best, but I guess that's cos he's a main character. Side characters like Jesse did develop alot, but compared to side characters of eg Jaime Lannister (Game of Thrones), it isn't as spectacular
This is the same guy who wasnt even phased by being told he has cancer by this point he had nothing to lose his wife hates him hes already gotten used to the killing and he has a brother in law that he knows one day will eventually catch onto his meth empire
I think what is truly special about breaking bad is the unique take on the perversion of the student teacher relationship arc. Walt is a truly inspired teacher brimming with motivational skill and focused insight. I think the reason Walt remains a compelling character throughout the show is because even when he's pulling off serious criminal moves he still kind of reminds you of your oddball 4th grade math teacher. Poor jesse, trapped in Heisenberg's demented class forever.
This is still one of my top 5 BB ever. It is a key scene that perfectly sums up Walt and Jesse's relationship and how intricate it is. Every look, every movement from both actors from the moment Jesse enters the room to when he leaves it is absolutely spot on.
Jesse is proof of the value of accountability. Walt and Jesse do pretty much the same things, but Jesse is considered the good one because he holds himself accountable and accepts responsibility for his wrongdoing.
He would have turned himself in after killing Gale if he was serious about accepting responsibility. Honestly, Jesse does the typical thing of showing remorse for his actions but then continuing to do the same thing he was doing.
@Уолтер Уайт no he didn't......... anything that gets in his way needs to be wiped out..... the fact he didn't cease being a meth manufacturer after Drew's murder is evidence of how little he cares! plus his willingness to work with Todd.......
Ngl, I actually got chills watching this. It’s hard to accept that this man was once a normal guy with a clean slate, but now is facing the chance that he could be spending an eternity of suffering, if Heaven and Hell do exist.
@@gerac.8889 The responsibility to prove something is on the person trying to prove the thing, you can't un-prove something that hasn't even been proven, lol.
Love the dialogue and acting! One of the best TV shows ever!! The final remark is something of an allusion to the famous passage from Paradise Lost- “better to rule in hell than to serve in heaven.”
After remembering this Walt’s arrogant speech, I’m not surprised about Jesse’s hatred for Walt when he found out the truth about what happened to Brock.
I’m years removed from the show but sometimes think about walter’s quotes and honestly they have a strange way of motivating me to keep pushing to pursue my goals. They add a level of angst to my motivation. This is yet another great scene from both actors.
1:56 notice how Walt specifically mentions gale and refers to all the other people as “the rest” just to mess with Jesse emotionally. Such an evil character in season 5 lmao
"I know how upset you are about what happened with this little boy; I am just as upset as you are..." "Do I have to curl up in a ball and tears in front of you? Do I have to lock myself away in a room and get high to prove it to you? What happened to that boy is a tragedy, and it TEARS me up inside, but because it happened what am I supposed to just lie down and die with him? It's DONE! It makes me sick that it happened just like everyone else who has died in our wake..."
I love how Walt puts Jessie down, he does it impeccably in this scene. He is also as good at lying through his ass as he is at cooking Meth, so convincing but you just knew he did not give a single shit about the kid being shot
Meta Man agreed 100%. I won't ever call this show underappreciated, but if there's one area that doesn't get brought up enough it's the writers' patience in transforming Walt. Most shows would be too impatient, and would blow the whole arc in one season or less. With Walt it was so gradual you hardly notice it till suddenly he's calling simultaneous hits on guys in prison and you're just sitting there like "yeah, seems about right".
@@BlackPeggy oh yes, I've heard that observation: that he absorbs certain characteristics of the people he kills. That makes sense and actually makes him an interesting character.
Walt's manipulation skills are just off the charts... But seriously, I like this scene because they set up the scene so both Jesse and the viewer finally start to see through Walt's bullshit, and it almost comes off as embarrassing for Walt by the time Jesse is just ignoring him and walking away and he is literally yelling! And if I remember correctly, this is the first time anyone ever just completely saw through Walt's methods until Mike started really clashing with him.
tankmaster1018 I actually think Walt is speaking his mind here. The death of a child is just too negligible for the criminal mastermind heisenberg. He believes his road to his empire is inevitably gonna cause collateral dmg. That's how egotistical and selfish he is. And if he was healthy enough to see his act is intolerable to ppl with half conscience, he would've at least tried to act like he regretted instead of saying bunch of bs that jesse doesn't care.
But listen to how he's talking to Jesse... He's like "You know what? I trust you enough to set you up with your own lab, your OWN cook!" to try to appeal to his sense of wanting to do something with his life. Then when Jesse starts to refuse, Walt goes straight for the jugular with the "what have you got? Nothing... At least until you relapse again!" I see your point, but this is defiantly not Walt just speaking his mind, because if that was the case, the gist of the speech would be more along the lines of "so what a kid died? More probably will before were done, but I don't care. Not stop complaining and do the only thing your good at!" Instead, every single word Walt said was finely calculated, and you see him switch strategies at least 3 different times when his other ones fail.
tankmaster1018 I think he's just saying what he wants here and didn't really grasp or care enough to see what jesse wants. They had been through so much and there isn't really much reasons for heisenberg to care. He's so numbed by the dmg he caused. (plane crash was a big one) And stopping because of one childs death maybe seem irrational from his point of view at that point. But jesse just doesn't want anything of it. He only wanted money from the start, maybe some companionship with Walt, but that walt he liked was gone anyway. That's why I don't think it's very much of a manipulation from him here.
Hey I mean thats fair enough. I didn't write the scene so I can't be 100% certain either. I mean, we just interpreted it different ways and theres absolutely nothing wrong with that. Have a good night man! Nice talking to you
Jim Knopf what ab Jesse being tortured and forced to work as a slave? That's pretty fucked up at least the kid had a quick death but Jesse was tortured and held captive for almost a year
drakemanism But jesse was part of the criminal wolrd. I'm not saying he had it coming, but when you become a criminal you know your life becomes riskier. That little boy was first a child and secondly completely innocent. And death is always worse than any type of torture. Jesse is out now and has all the freedom of the world. That boy will never have this chance and his parents don't even know what happened to him.
I love the transformation it felt like it really could of happened. The fall of the protagonist is heartbreaking but makes the scene that much more dramatic and tense
@@guyincognito5706 Gus said to them NO MORE CHILDREN. How outrageous it is of you to believe that Gus had any moral compass regards to kids.You sound like Jesse in season 4. Gus knows even what kind of color were everybody's pants he was working with. Gus was awesome as a character but he was also a crime kingpin. When Gus said "you should let me deal with it" it was just to keep appearances for Mike (who also wanted to believe Gus never could cross the killing-children line although he crossed it himself when he shut up after the biker kid was murdered by Todd) ...The "you should let me deal with it by coming to me" line from Gus was spoken not only for Mike but to a smaller extent towards Walt to blurr the waters , who could easily see through Fring's duality and facàde.After all Walt would " never ask Gus if he would order the death of a child" HE KNEW IT he would order it, like ordering pizza. Gus threatened to kill Walt's lil'holly afterwards. Gus is the man who would leave a coatee alive (feral cat) with a broken leg just because it messed up with his lucuma tree, back when he was 7 year's old (Better Call Saul). Gus is Gus , remorseless , he feels emotion yes but he controls it and his manipulation is world class.Gus is many things and one of these would not make him shy away from disposing a kid which no longer was an asset to his business model. Walt adopted the similar outlook of Gus after the latter's kaboom murder in that elderly home.. Now...Say my name!
@@guyincognito5706 i thumped up you response, however I have to go to sleep. I will reply adequately during the week. By the way, Vito killed his bro, don't think kids would be a big no-no to him. Edit You wrote Vito I read Mike. I am that sleepy.
I just realised that as well, this scene, the "empire business" scene, when Hank confronts Walt, Walt in the bar scene, Walt visiting Skylar for the last time, his death, it all has a gloomy, dark feel to it.
Maybe Walt is going to Hell but Jess at least wants to try to get away from it. People like Walt dont care (not want to believe) in Hell because they at least want to leave this world leaving a mark on it.
“but Jess at least wants to try to get away from it” Yeah, I assume Jesse does find God after going to Alaska and maybe meeting a pastor who would happen to look a lot like Aaron Paul’s dad (a pastor in real life) so that Jesse can finally achieve Peace that “surpasses all understanding” (Philippians 4:7)
You can admire qualities in evil people without admiring the whole of the person. You can admire Walter's strength in accepting who he is, evil, and following his dark star to its utmost, embracing his own tragic fate and 'going all the way.' You can admire that strength and reject the rest of Walter. Certain evil people have admirable qualities, that's just the way it is. And it goes the other way. Certain good people have loathsome qualities.
@@tylerchambers6246 That's simply an admitting to admiring the willingness to fall into actual evil, and the ambition to carry out evil. To claim that such things can be separated from themselves is insanity.
@@zusty9589 You should read Jung. The Shadow contains our enantiomorph, a dark reservoir of our unconscious instincts. These evil people represent that- primordial energies that, because they have not been consciously integrated into our personality structure, manifest themselves in tragic, destructive, and distorted forms: Walter White, Macbeth, the list is endless. Instead of burying this 'evil' in a separated shadow-self repressed and condemned to wander the border of the conscious mind forever; instead of doing that, we should aim to identify these 'evil' forces within ourselves. Doing so gives us the chance to consciously manifest them: consciously, which means, under our control. Because the problem with a Walter White is his driving impulses are not in his control. This, what I have said here, what Jung, Nietzsche, Zapffe, etc. have said-- all this seems more useful to me than just branding these figures evil and condemning them unreservedly. The saint is not a man blithely innocent, a grazing cow, incapable of evil due to weakness; he is just as fierce, just as terrible, but those same forces driving someone like WW have been brought under his control, and he can wield what otherwise burns others and destroys them. Being incapable of these dark acts does not make you good; (most people are neither good or evil; they are incapable of monstrous acts due to weakness, not enlightment; they are simply grazing cattle, unintegrated with the Shadow) what makes you good is being capable of them, but having control of the psychodynamic forces involved, and directing them toward less destructive ends.
I doubt there’s a majority of people who watch this show who actually admire Walter I think you’re confusing admiration for sympathy. We sympathize to a certain extent with Walter because of how his struggles through life make the average viewer relate to Walter and any man who’s very prideful. Walter is meant more to be a warning about letting one’s ego and pride rule, mike basically lays it all out for Walt and the viewer when he rails on him about it all falling apart. Walter is basically the epitome of pride cometh before a fall. Anybody can see this unless they’re at that impressionable age.
It always bothered me when walt said, "What have you got in your life? Ha nothing nobody" and a few episodes before that he manipulated him into breaking up with his girlfriend
Definitely one of those moments that shows Walt's manipulation of Jesse. He picked Gale out of everyone they've killed just to make him fell all guilty. Of course he's not sorry for what happened to that boy Todd killed. He probably thought it was for the best, inside.
To be fair though Gale's was definitely the most fucked up murder they had to commit. Everyone else was a pretty big scumbag and/or out to kill them anyway
Luciano Martinez They had to kill Gale because he could cook meth without Walt. There was definitely fucking reasoning. You live by the sword you die by the sword, kiddo.
Exactly, he didn't pick Gale by chance, or because it was the worst thing they did. He picked Gale because Jesse was the one that shot him, and Walt knew how much it tore Jesse apart. It was all done so Walt can manipulate Jesse further into feeling guilty and continuing to cook with him.
"what? Just because i dont wanna do this anymore means i'm laying down? How many more people gonna die because of us?" "None,now that we are in control, anyone" "You keep saying that and is BULLSHIT everytime,look,just give me my money,and you and i,we're done,alright?"
Dandaman955 To be fair, he had money to pay for cancer treatment; he wanted to provide for his wife, son, and daughter after he was gone, because he was the sole breadwinner. Cancer is expensive no matter what country you live in. America's the third most populated country in the world, only behind India and China ; their healthcare system is as good as it gets with that amount of people
I think he means "wake" like in reference to the little trail a boat leaves behind as it cuts through the water or something, that's the other literal definition of the word "wake" but tbh I like your reasoning better lol it can work as a double entendree
I mean that Walt is a bad influence, he's a toxic manipulator who destroys so much of what he touches. Since he's the main character and fun we might fall into the trap of thinking that he's the good guy, the right guy but that's not true. His advice to Jesse here is "Hey we've done a lot of bad stuff, why not just keep going? We're beyond redemption, who cares? Stay in the drug trade, you're a worthless and pathetic person if you leave." I say Walt is full of it, Jesse can become a better person free of this toxic environment, and that redemption is possible despite his past, he can be who he chooses to be now. Walt has terminal cancer and is losing his family, his drug empire is basically all he has left and he's egotistical as hell on a power trip.
Walts manipulating jesse obviously but his perspective is that your already danmed to might as well go down on a throne. Somthing i imagine some sociopathic people share jesse knows theres no going back But he has a perspective that even though that he cant go back he is done hurting others because its the right thing to do. The truth is you can do bad things in the past that you cant fix but if you try to be better in the future then maybe you can atleast live with yourself. But walt by this point walt doesn't care he just is taking his excuses before he dies
“What happened to that boy is a tragedy, and it tears me up in side, but because it happened what am I supposed to just lie down and die with him? It’s DONE”.
@@Fbitypeshit Doesn't matter homie. If I said "Trump is my favorite president" and you said "I agree with that guy" then I said "Not really, that was a lie", does that make what you said/agreeded with any less true?
@@Fbitypeshit You're arguing about humanity, im arguing about the statement itself. Of course Jesse couldn't just live with it, thats not what im saying. Im merely saying Walt has a valid point there and you're original comment didn't falsify it
I hated Jesse in SE 4 , and then in SE5 I kinda hated Walt , but in the end I loved him ( sorry for the Eng ) he should have stopped cooking when Skyler told him to , he really did it for himself
