Ignatius of Antioch - The Complete Story | Documentary 

Except that John chapter six occurs before the last supper. Nowhere in chapter six is the Eucharist mentioned. You would have to start with an assumption about the Eucharist and read that assumption back into those verses. In fact if you read through the Gospel of John from beginning to end in one sitting one of the themes that is apparent is the frequency with which Jesus audience takes his illustrations TOO literally. Misunderstanding the spiritual content behind his physical allegories: - “living water” with woman at the well - being born again with Nicodemus Believing that there is some physical ritual you must perform, some magic spell, essentially, that you must participate in that has spiritual impact is no different than the pagan beliefs humanity has had for its entire existence. The message of the Gospel is the once for all sufficient sacrifice of the Son of God on our behalf. Solus Christus Soli Deo Gloria

Beautifully said. The church was born on pentecost and then the bible years later

​@justinrehm268 alternatively you could not just read the whole of John but the whole of the OT and John and realise Jesus is the new Mana from heaven. Then read all the early church fathers who learned from the Apostles and see how they ALL believed in the Real Presence as well as Baptismal Regeneration and to be within Christs Church you need to be under the Bishop who succeeded the apostles. I feel terrible for Protestants, living such a swallow faith whilst Orthodox and Catholics enjoy the fullness of the faith even in schism.

@@justinrehm268 St. Ignatius Of Antioch A.D. 110 They [the Gnostics] abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. (Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Chapter 7)

@@t.d6379ironic how a follower of the antiChrist pagan ‘religion’ ‘feels terrible’ for Protestant Bible reading Followers of Christ…..you know, the very same people your antiChrist pagan religion tortured and murdered by the millions over the centuries. Shocker….

You stole my thunder. lol

Same here... ohh well, I will post it anyway but Ill put it in greek: Ὅπου ἂν φανῇ ὁ ἐπίσκοπος, ἐκεῖ τὸ πλῆθος ἤτω, ὥσπερ ὅπου ἂν ῇ Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, ἐκεῖ ἡ Καθολικὴ Ἐκκλησία.

(Yikes! Makes you wonder what else might be off?)

Another inaccuracy is that he used the flag of the HRE to represent the Romans. When I saw it, I started laughing (the HRE was a Germanic empire pretending to be Roman)

I was just searching the comments to see who picked up that he meant 4th C BC instead of AD. While these videos are very well presented, the author/director needs to proof read the script a little bit better than that. Otherwise, excellent videos

@@travist7777 It's an AI video. It's likely generally correct but the details will always be off.

@@anthonyh4125 It's just an AI video. It'll have a lot of good information but also a myriad of details that aren't correct. A real person isn't reading the script, a real person probably didn't write the script, and a real person probably didn't put together the pictures for the video. You could say that it's almost entirely an AI generated video.

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Not really, it's filled with inaccuracies. Shows wrong flags, has city locations on maps in wrong areas, etc.. pretty embarrassing

Amen.

Catholic also means Universal. The Catholic Church is the One True Universal Church. The one beautiful thing about the Catholic Church is the Real Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ in the Eucharist at Mass and I can go to Mass almost anywhere and pretty much know what is going on and what the readings are in almost any language.

He may have said Catholic in the universal sense, but it was the first Church called " Christian "not Catholic as the "Catholic church" implies.

Read about Martin Luther and the apostasy of the Catholic Church of that time. When man acquires too much power, it becomes corrupted. Martin Luther was disturbed by the overt corruption he saw and wrestled with it constantly. He bravely “protested” to the risk of his very life. Hence, the second break from the original church. The Romans broke away from the rest of the original church for political purposes/favors in 1054 and this is why the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics have such differences now. My husband and I joined Orthodoxy but I am ever watchful for any corruption from the church hierarchy, of which I am sure there is some. I am a “Protestant” at heart because I do not like the idea of a deep hierarchy that can become easily corrupted with just one wrong person but I do love the liturgy and the deep meaning of everything.

The " original" church was not THE Catholic church, but Orthodox.

Aside from the typos

I think you must be right.

I wonder which macedonian did that?

No. Elders are priests.

@@evangelion1962 What is the Greek word for "priest"? How many of those are in a congregation of believers? Answer that question and learn.

The Antioch church was never an independent church. They were part of the whole church led at Rome.

Antioch was the center of Christian development & learning in the earliest decades (perhaps a couple centuries) of the Church - before the emergence of Constantinople or Rome as more important centers. Perhaps unsurprisingly, there are multiple religious sects that claim the title of Patriarch (or Bishop or Pope) of Antioch. Some of those sects align themselves with the Catholic Church (while still retaining their sect’s authority to appoint their own bishops & elect their own Patriarch). Others are aligned to the Orthodox churches that broke of from Rome in 1054. (Great Schism). There are also ones aligned with what was commonly called the Oriental Orthodox churches (Egyptian Coptic, Armenian Apostolics are also in this group). Their doctrinal separation from Rome preceded the later Great Schism by roughly 500 years. These remarkably managed to survive the Islamization that swept through the region, and they did so while much of the world could provide no support or assistance to help them survive.

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what school?

Sometimes the AI creators get it wrong. Too bad most of the goats never notice.

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Smegma. It's the Bishop of Smegma

CHRISTIAN The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",

Wake up, bro. Time to nerd out about catholic history.

@@Doppelier thank you bro! I get to nerd out about ignatius again lol

@@_rob_. just in time🫡I’ve been considering reading his works and you love given me the sign to start🫡

Hello hello hello

Hey

Yes, that must be some mistake. Christ's peace!

Thanks for catching it.

Thanks for correcting it Fr. John

Thank You brother.. for Great information 🙏🙏🙏🙌

It is a crystal clear teaching throughout scripture. Go away, Marxist.😊

Biblical Proof the seventh day (Saturday) IS the Sabbath Matt 27:62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day......(.Saturday) Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, (Sunday) Mark 15:42 - It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). Mark 16:1-2 - When the Sabbath was over,(After sunset Saturday) Mark 16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week (Sunday) Luke 23:54 It was Preparation Day, (friday) and the Sabbath was about to begin Luke 23:56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.( Just before sunset Friday) Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, (Sunday) John 19:31 Now since it was preparation day (Friday), in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one, John 19:42 because of the Jewish day of Preparation (Friday), since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. 42 And so, because it was the day of preparation for the Jewish Passover >>> .The Bible is complete, authoritative, and true. “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). >>>> I posted this several months ago. NOT one catholic has replied! Why???? Catholics claim Sunday is a holy day made by God. I will ask these questions again which NO ONE can answer. And I know you will NOT!!! ---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He rested on the first day of the week to make that day special?? ----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He BLESSED the first day of the week to make that day special?? ----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He SANCTIFIED the first day of the week to make that day special?? ---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He Gave a name to the first day of the week to make that day special?? ---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He DECLARES the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special?? FACTS" --The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13 --The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 24:36-41

Early Christian celebrated it on Sunday because that’s the day christ rose from the dead. The same mass is held on saturday evenings though if you’d want to go.

@@boystantoytle5520 quote---Early Christian celebrated it on Sunday because that’s the day christ rose from the dead.--unquote That is an OPINION and a lie!!! Why? FACTS" --The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11 --The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13 --The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 24:36-41 >>>>>DO NOT quote Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Romans 14:3 or Colossians 2:16-23. ----quote---The same mass is held on saturday evenings though if you’d want to go.--unquote Which is Sunday. Whene did Jesus have a Mass?

HE was called the bishop of Rome at that time

It was unified from the beginning. You can tell by Acts 15 Council uniting all churches. The Leader was Peter

@@koppite9600 No, the so called council in Acts deals with the problem that had arisen in Antioch on the following the law including circumcision and has seemed to be settled. But Paul founded a lot of “churches” not directly connected to the community of Jerusalem and throughout all his letters Paul blamed groups and missionaries trying to “convert” his followers to obeying the law disqualifying the as “Circumcised”. If You consider that the Acts had been written in the 90th thus about 60 years later they do not contain any formal structure of a local church (aka community), no sacerdotal hierarchy, no sacraments, no unified canon, no theology let alone the idea of a unified church then Your statement is quite strange.

@@WMedl deals with Antioch from Jerusalem.. shows that the administration was one hence one church. Paul traveled a lot and founded many churches, he always came back to the Apostles to be verified and accepted. Galatians 2. The church is always 1.

You are definitely a spinner of false history! We're your original source documents to back up your outlandish claims😂

@@marknovetske4738 Most of the documents of different non proto-orthodox groups had been destroyed by the latter but con be partially retrieved by the church fathers scripts: Tertullian: De Praescriptionibus adversus Haereticos Origen. Contra Celsum If you had any idea on the biblical history you would not have uttered such!

Catholicism came to Rome with the evangelization efforts of the Apostles Peter and Paul in the mid-first century (approx. 40AD-60AD). Peter went there on his own; while Paul was brought there as a prisoner of the Roman Government.

First CC built in Jerusalam in 326AD!!! -----According to church tradition, Peter and Paul taught together in Rome and founded Christianity in that city. Eusebius cites Dionysius, Bishop of Corinth as saying, "They taught together in like manner in Italy, and suffered martyrdom at the same time." This may indicate their reconciliation. In 2 Peter 3:16, Paul's letters are referred to as "scripture", which indicates the respect the writer had for Paul's apostolic authority. However, most modern scholars regard the Second Epistle of Peter as written in Peter's name by another author. CHURCH TRADITION!!!!! ----Who was Peter sent to preach to? the Gentiles Introduction. God revealed to Peter in a vision that the gospel should be preached to the Gentiles. Peter taught the gospel to Cornelius and his household and later settled contention among Jewish Saints about the gospel being preached to the Gentiles. Acts 10:1-17--Peter is told by God to preach to the Gentiles. He declines saying the Gentiles are unclean. Read Acts 11:5-18 Peter has a vision by God explaining the command to preach to the Gentiles. God says to Peter, who are you to tell me who is clean/unclean? What I have declared to be clean--is now clean. Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. 18 When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, "Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life." --Paul to the Jews------Peter to the Gentiles. Where did Paul preach to the Gentiles? That is after his conversion around the areas of Antioch and Tarsus, his hometown. Now when Paul describes his return to Antioch it's clear that's he working in this mixed Jewish and non-Jewish or gentile population of a major cosmopolitan center. Act 15:7, 14 At the meeting, after a long discussion, Peter stood and addressed them as follows: "Brothers, you all know that God chose me from among you some time ago to preach to the Gentiles so that they could hear the Good News and believe. ... (14) Peter has told you about the time God first visited the Gentiles to take from them a people for himself. ---Matthew 16:19 NIV 19 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven." Peter alone was given the keys of the kingdom. He used these "keys" entrusted to him to open up ,for Jews Acts 2:22-41, for Samaritans Acts 8: 14-17, for the Gentiles -Cornelius. Acts 10: 1-10 , 10:34-38 , the opportunity to receive God’s spirit with a view to their entering the heavenly Kingdom.

@@39knights -According to CHURCH TRADITION, Peter and Paul taught together in Rome and founded Christianity in that city. Eusebius cites Dionysius, Bishop of Corinth as saying, "They taught together in like manner in Italy, and suffered martyrdom at the same time." This may indicate their reconciliation. In 2 Peter 3:16, Paul's letters are referred to as "scripture", which indicates the respect the writer had for Paul's apostolic authority. However, most modern scholars regard the Second Epistle of Peter as written in Peter's name by another author. FACTS: Who was Peter sent to preach to? the Gentiles Introduction. God revealed to Peter in a vision that the gospel should be preached to the Gentiles. Peter taught the gospel to Cornelius and his household and later settled contention among Jewish Saints about the gospel being preached to the Gentiles. Acts 10:1-17--Peter is told by God to preach to the Gentiles. He declines saying the Gentiles are unclean. Read Acts 11:5-18 Peter has a vision by God explaining the command to preach to the Gentiles. God says to Peter, who are you to tell me who is clean/unclean? What I have declared to be clean--is now clean. Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. 18 When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, "Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life." --Paul to the Jews------Peter to the Gentiles. Where did Paul preach to the Gentiles? That is after his conversion around the areas of Antioch and Tarsus, his hometown. Now when Paul describes his return to Antioch it's clear that's he working in this mixed Jewish and non-Jewish or gentile population of a major cosmopolitan center. Act 15:7, 14 At the meeting, after a long discussion, Peter stood and addressed them as follows: "Brothers, you all know that God chose me from among you some time ago to preach to the Gentiles so that they could hear the Good News and believe. ... (14) Peter has told you about the time God first visited the Gentiles to take from them a people for himself. Matthew 16:19 NIV 19 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven." Peter alone was given the keys of the kingdom. He used these "keys" entrusted to him to open up ,for Jews Acts 2:22-41, for Samaritans Acts 8: 14-17, for the Gentiles -Cornelius. Acts 10: 1-10 , 10:34-38 , the opportunity to receive God’s spirit with a view to their entering the heavenly Kingdom.

Didnt you understand what your'e watching? that man Ignatius and all other martyrs at that time are the foundations of catholicism they simply put clear emphasis to the church us One, United, or Universal Church as too many heretics about the faith of Jesus at that time where emerging. Now you may ask why the name Catholic Church instead of just Universal Church? well guess what nobody spoke english at that time specially at that place the language spoken in that era were greeks and latin. So the word catholic is actually an english word that's derived from the latin word "catholicus" but that word itself is just an adaptation from the original greek word "katholikos" which means Universal, United, Oneness or Whole.

“Office of a Bishop.” (1 Timothy 3:1) (189 A.D.) St. Irenaeus: “Apostles [Peter and Paul] founded the church [of Rome]… succession… Linus the office of the episcopate (office of a Bishop)... Clement the bishopric.” (Against Heresies Book III Chapter 3:2-4) (CCC 857-863) (354-430 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Catholic church episcopal succession [the BISHOPS of ROME] from PETER.” (Epistle of Manichaeus Chapters 4 & 5) First Apostolic Succession (Acts 1:23-26)? YES! Apostles pass authority to Episkopoi (Koine Greek) Bishop (English) (Philippians 1:1) a.k.a. Páppas (Koine Greek) Pope (English)! (Apostolic succession - Wikipedia) (Pope - Wikipedia) (CCC 552) (Acts 6:6, 9:17-19) (Matthew 16:18) (107 A.D.) St. Ignatius: “Let no man do anything connected with the church without the Bishop.” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8:1)

@@MUSIC-MARY I was looking for Biblical references specifically. Simply curious if anyone outside the ACTS church referred to a position as "Bishop". I get the impression this was a term to denote church hierarchy and was something created later and not a term specifically given by the apostles.

And who don't like flowers aye.

quote----God did say to Moses that he would be like God when he was sent to deal with Pharaoh--unquote That is an opinion with NO facts. no scripture.

​@mitchellosmer1293 these are ALL OPINIONS.SICKENING

By then Rome Constantinople Alexandria

Rome, Antioch, and Alexandria were the 3 most influential Holy Sees in Early Christianity. Later Jerusalem and Constantinople became major Holy Sees thus all them became known today as the 5 Great Holy Sees of Christianity.

It started as a fulfilment of Judaism, then separated into the ‘way’, then called catholic (universal) as it spread.

Judaism is NOT the faith of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob Israel. Judaism began when the southern kingdom of Judah returned to Canaan, complete with pagan converts such as Edomites, and the forerunner of the Talmud, the Tradition of the Elders. Christianity is a perfect fulfilment of Hebrewism. It is not an offshoot of Judaism.

@@geordiewishart1683 most of so called christianity is a cult that follows a false jesus, not the real Messiah who said "follow Me", yet the "church" went off and did just whatever looked good in the eyes of man. Most people who read Scripture do so from western perceptions and customs, this is wrong

​@@geordiewishart1683Wasn't Judaism all that was left of Hebrewism? Weren't all the Northern tribes dispersed & lost from Hebrew history?

@@_rob_. Thank you for the suggestion, I just did and here's what I found: “Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]). I still don't see how on can not be Catholic after reading that. Could you shed some light for me?

@@_rob_. Did you read Fiducia Supplicans? What's wrong with blessing sinners?

@@ContriteCatholic AMEN!!! (412 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Whoever is separated from this Catholic Church the wrath of God rests upon him.” (Letters 141:5)

Amen.

Amen.. not only protestants but all the other denomination of Christians.. Ignatius was one of the very solid foundations of catholic churches as the one and only original Church of Jesus Christ.. No one can ever destroy this foundations..

Protestants, you believe in Sola Scriptura, which is ALL inspired by the Holy Spirit who can’t error, yes? Why does the New Testament have about hundreds of contradictions? “The Book of Non-Contradiction” (2017) Why did Jesus NOT tell his Apostles to write a New Treatment? Where in the Bible does it say use Bible Authority only? After the resurrection, Jesus gave his Apostles a New Testament? Yes or No! NO!!!!!! Protestants don’t agree with each other’s doctrines, you have 30K denominations! Why should I as a Roman Catholic agree with you when you can’t agree with each other? (412 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Whoever is separated from this Catholic Church the wrath of God rests upon him.” (Letters 141:5)

St. Ignatius never claimed to have been the child that sat on the lap of Jesus. This was a rumor that came about from some of the people later in his life and could not be confirmed. What is historically documented is his ordination as Bishop by the Apostle Peter, therefore his education of Christianity comes with the authority given to the Apostles from Christ. John 20:21-23 "Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.' And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone's sins they are forgiven; If you retain their sins, they are retained.' In fact, since the time of Christ, every single Bishop that has ever lived has been ordained by a legitimate Bishop before him, so that every single Bishop can trace his linage back to Christ. And you are correct, he desired to be martyred only to give Glory of God, and be with Christ in heaven. As did the 12 Apostles (all were martyred except John). I suggest actually reading the the writings of Ignatius, Irenaeus, Clement, Justin Martyr, heck read of any of the saints...one of the desires they all shared was this burning desire to leave this world and be with our Lord. Yes they were all "fanatics" because they were completely obsessed by their love of Jesus! Romans 8:18 "I consider that the sufferings of this present time are as nothing compared with the glory to be revealed to us." *Also, the "love feasts" are referring to the Eucharist, the Body of Christ which is holy communion. Luke 22:19 "Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, " This is my body, which will be given up for you; do this in memory of me."

Couldn't be any more protestant

Truth hurts. The 1st century church was catholic. Pity you can't understand martyrdom. Maybe that's why protestants freak out about being left behind.

Who cares he was a real man of God not like today

No. The old covenant with Israel was completed. Then Christ, the new covenant, established a church. The fruitless branches were cut off the vine and the gentiles grafted on. The church was born on calvary.

Where does the bible say "faith alone" those exact words in that exact order. They appear only once, do you know where?

The first person to espouse the idea of “once saved, always saved” was John Calvin in the mid-sixteenth century. Even Martin Luther didn't subscribe to the theory. Prior to Calvin, the unanimous consent of the early Christians was that a person is capable of losing his salvation by committing mortal sin, as John spoke about in 1 John 5:16-17. In the first century, the Didache, commonly known as the Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, said “Watch for your life’s sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins unloosed; but be ready, for you know not the hour in which our Lord comes. But you shall assemble together often, seeking the things which are befitting to your souls: for the whole time of your faith will not profit you, if you be not made complete in the last time” (Didache 16 [A.D. 70]). In the second century, Irenaeus wrote, “To Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess’ [Phil. 2:10-11] to him, and that he should execute just judgment towards all. . . . The ungodly and unrighteous and wicked and profane among men [shall go] into everlasting fire; but [he] may, in the exercise of his grace, confer immortality on the righteous, and holy, and those who have kept his commandments, and have persevered in his love, some from the beginning [of their Christian course], and others from [the date of] their penance, and may surround them with everlasting glory” (Against Heresies 1:10:1 [A.D. 189]). Such consistent testimony could be given from the dawn of Christianity until today, and no suggestion of “once saved, always saved” can be found on the lips of any Christian before Calvin

When he called the church Catholic it meant something different than it means today, or that it meant in the fourth century. He did not teach that Mary was a co-redeemer, another intercessor, purgatory, indulgences, transubstantiation, calling priests father, or praying repetitive prayers on rosary beads. When Ignatius used the word Catholic, it did not mean those things as it does today.

@@christopherlees1134 You can LIE TO YOURSELF ALL YOU WANT. DELUDE YOURSELF IF YOU NEED TO, but don't TRY TO LIE TO ME OR ANYONE THAT READS THIS. “Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]). Saint Ignatius of Antioch

@@pete4258 Your reply does not answer my points. It does not show that Ignatius thought "Catholic" meant: 1. Mary was co-redeemer 2. Mary was another intercessor 3. Mary should be a focus of the church 4. Purgatory was a part of the doctrine 5. Indulgences were doctrine 6. That the Eucharist is transubstantiation (he just repeated what Jesus said, but there is no doctrine that it is his literal flesh, or that he is being sacrificed again and again) 7. Calling priests "Father" 8. Praying repetitive prayers on Rosary beads. Until and unless you refute all those points by quoting Ignatius to prove them wrong - then we should all agree that when Ignatius said "Catholic", he meant merely universal, and that it is dishonest to try to imply that Ignatius was a "Catholic" as we know them today (Mary worship, Rosary prayers, co-redeemers etc...) Please feel free to respond to all my points - but if your response does not address them, I will not respond in return because it means my points stand uncontested.

@@christopherlees1134 Just for your information, I dislike disingenuous people. I don't hate them, but they are a bane when it comes to people who want an honest debate. It's obvious you don't WANT ONE. You think I have to debate by the RULES you set. I won't, because we BOTH know that Saint Ignatius wouldn't have necessarily said many things on your list, BECAUSE the Church wasn't faced with a heresy where something had to be defined. Perfect example is the Trinity. Arianism popped up it's ugly head and began to take root in the 3rd Century. It wasn't until the Catholic Church held an ecumenical council in Nicea to define Jesus as being GOD to stamp that falsehood out. Your line of questions would be similar to a person trying to dispute physics, by asking a student so your so smart, why don't you tell me what Isaac Newton thought of String Theory, the Double Slit Experiment, Black Holes, E=mc2 and other things. Because if you don't give me his specific answers, today's Physics is not the same type of Physics he was talking about. What you were hoping is that you would find a Catholic weak in his faith or history. You picked the wrong person. As far as Saint Ignatius thoughts of transubstantiation it is OBVIOUS he believed in it since he BELIEVED in the Eucharist. In fact in Today's Gospel that ALL Catholic Churches read from today this 2nd Sunday of Lent, it demonstrates the TWO NATURES OF CHRIST. It happens to be the 4th Luminous Mystery in the Rosary that I pray every Thursday. I pray that you change your underhanded tactics and turn away from your disobedience and come in the Church Jesus established on this Earth. The Catholic Church. Ave Maria ♥️🙏 Gospel Mt 17:1-9 Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. And he was transfigured before them; his face shone like the sun and his clothes became white as light. And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, conversing with him. Then Peter said to Jesus in reply, "Lord, it is good that we are here. If you wish, I will make three tents here, one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah." While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud cast a shadow over them, then from the cloud came a voice that said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him." When the disciples heard this, they fell prostrate and were very much afraid. But Jesus came and touched them, saying, "Rise, and do not be afraid." And when the disciples raised their eyes, they saw no one else but Jesus alone. As they were coming down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, "Do not tell the vision to anyone until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead."

@@pete4258 Hey Pete! Do you k ow for certain that you’re not going to Hell when you die? If so, could you please tell me how?

Who taught Ignatius these errors? His teacher John the Apostle?

How would I know? I wasn't there. Why would someone have had to have taught him? Maybe it was pagan influence?

I just think the claim you're making here is a bit of a stretch and not really supported by the passage in Titus you mentioned. What passages from the NT or Ignatius' writings led you to this conclusion? For me, the elders/overseers are spoken about very similarly in both but I am not an expert.

Which of my claims are you querying? that Ignatius was the bishop of Antioch in the early second century? That he was arrested in about A.D. 110 and sent to Rome for trial and martyrdom? That he taught that churches should have elders and a ruling bishop; in other words, he was exalting one bishop over another? Or that in scripture the terms “bishop” and “elder” refer to the same humble office in the assembly (Titus 1:5-7)? Or that he taught that all churches are a part of one universal church? Or that he claimed that a church does not have authority to baptize or conduct the Lord’s Supper unless it has a bishop?

Errors by the man who was taught by Polycarp, student of the Apostle John. Thank you @geordiewishart1683 for correcting the errors of those who lived alongside the very first witnesses.

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You really think the further Christianity moves from its origin, the more pure it becomes? 😂😂😂😂

@@lizmonard well, my disagreement with Ignatius is on honouring the bishop as we do honour the Lord. Knowing very well that humans are not perfect and the devil can take control of institutional leadership.

@@lizmonard what do you mean?

@@petertawiah I agree with that, I shouldn’t have jumped to the conclusion that you were Protestant! 😢

False, non Catholics such as myself are NOT foreign to redemptive suffering. What you said is simply an unbelievably ignorant statement.

@@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630 I agree. It's a bit ignorant.

Also, the word is rise, not raise.

@@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630 that’s a work.

@@adamclark1972uk Thanks

Who cares

Protestants didnt even exist till 1517 A.D.! HERETICS!!!

The modern Catholic Church is nothing like the first century church as described in the book of acts and other New Testament books. They do not worship Mary, they do not see Mary as a co-redeemer, they do not see Mary as another intercessor. Ignatius would rebuke the Catholic Church house it is known today, all the way back to the fourth century, for false doctrine.

@@christopherlees1134 Well, Christopher you're just another envious and jealous creature whose heart is full of hatred against the Catholic Church. What ever truth is there your heart finds fault to discredit the originality of the church's state. You must read more with humility and with the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit and not those comment that can be discerned as coming from a jealous heart.

@@mimieakutagawa5145 Your personal attack against me leaves my points uncontested, but it does show your frustration.

@@Jerry-er6lq What did I say that isn't true? Let's talk about that.

​​​​​​@@mimieakutagawa5145 wow dude, Christopher Lee wrote a very respectable and non insulting comment. Then you turn around and call him a creature (as if he's no better than an animal) and tell him he's full of hatred and jealousy of the Catholic church. So Christopher makes a comment that has no insults whatsoever in it. He just stated what he believed. Then you turn around and accuse him of being full of hatred after you make hateful comments to him calling him a hateful and jealous animal. Do you have any idea how ignorant it is to claim that a Protestant like me is jealous of the Catholic Church? If we were envious and jealous we would simply join the church. But we know that the Catholic church is telling lies and nonsense But your attitude towards Christopher after he wrote a perfectly respectable and not insulting statement certainly demonstrates the love of Christ right? Wow, really makes me want to come to a Catholic church and feel some of that love. ... Not.

I laughed when I read about him being a poor Theologian. They can deny that the early Church was Catholic so they have to call Christ a liar and say the Church apostasied within 100 years of Christ's death.

Welcome home prodical son, we LOVE you!!! St. Ignatius an apostle of St. John: (107 A.D.) “Where there is Jesus Christ there is the CATHOLIC church.” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8:2) (110 A.D.) “Repent and return into the unity of the church, follows a SCHISM he shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.” (Avoid Schismatics 3:2, 3:3, 4:1, 4) (412 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Whoever is separated from this Catholic Church the wrath of God rests upon him.” (Letters 141:5)

@Nobody RC quote---I will ask you a question on which day Jesus rises from the dead?--unquote The first day of the week to fulfill prophesy. What day did GOD SAY to keep holy?????? NOT SUNDAY!!!!!

@Nobody RC quote---The Sunday is first day of the week for every Christian--unquote That is as very broad statement. And it is wrong!!!! I HAVE had mant so-called "Christians" claim Sunday IS the 7th day of the week. Which implies God is a liar.

@Nobody RC quote---Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath--unquote Really???Duh!!! Which means HE makes the rules regarding that day...NOT MAN!!!

​@@mitchellosmer1293 : Where, in the Holy Bible, does it say that everything that God said and did must be recorded in a book?

@@alhilford2345 quote---Where, in the Holy Bible, does it say that everything that God said and did must be recorded in a book?--unquote So, you want to add/subtract from His word!!! How will you know what the truth is then??? “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.” (Deut. 4:2.) Later in this same book of the law, Moses repeated the admonition in similar words. -----“What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.” (Deut. 12:32.) -------Revelation 22:18-19 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. -------Proverbs 30:6 Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar --------Proverbs 30:5-6 Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar -----Deuteronomy 12:32 “Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it -----Matthew 22:29 But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. -----Mark 7:13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.” (What Catholics have done!!) ------Matthew 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. (The Catholic Church) *****

Lol is this how protestants are getting around the fact that the early Church was Catholic now? Calling Jesus a liar? Protestantism is a a demonic doctrine, may God guide you to the true faith, the faith that was preached by the Apostles and St.Ignatius.

Hmmm so you know more than the man taught by John. Hmmm Christ said the gates of hell would not withstand his church. Makes so much sense to follow the tradition of luther who commanded his followers to sin and sin boldly.

@@evangelion1962 of course he thinks he does, protestantism is a vain prideful religion. The more I learn about the early Church the less I consider protestants Christian. There were always heretical sects that claimed to be Christian, Satan perverts the truth just enough to fool the ignorant.

Jesus never prophecied that his Church would fall away, the gates of hell won't prevail against his Church. Protestantism is a perversion of the faith.

@@evangelion1962 So you disapprove of Luther for protesting against papal Rome's practice of selling forgiveness of sin for money (indulgences), and for protesting against Rome's departure from Christ's teaching in the Holy Bible. You too accuse Christians of heresy for following Christ. Have you ever taken a humble moment to consider that you just might be deceived by Satan and unwittingly opposing Jesus? In His earthly ministry, Jesus was an evangelical protestant: He evangelized wherever He went, and He protested against the traditions of men (Mk.7:7). I know you loathe the Bible, but such disdain for Scripture is also disdain for the Author.

Mzz_church_fathersMany people have walked into the Roman Catholic Church through the broad door of the “church fathers,” and this is a loud warning today when there is a widespread attraction to the “church fathers” within evangelicalism. The Catholic apologetic ministries use the “church fathers” to prove that Rome’s doctrines go back to the earliest centuries. In the book Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic, David Currie continually uses the church fathers to support his position. He says, “The other group of authors whom Evangelicals should read ... is the early Fathers of the Church” (p. 4). The contemplative prayer movement is built on this same weak foundation. The late Robert Webber, a Wheaton College professor who was one of the chief proponents of this back to the “church fathers” movement, said: “The early Fathers can bring us back to what is common and help us get behind our various traditions ... Here is where our unity lies. ... evangelicals need to go beyond talk about the unity of the church to experience it through an attitude of acceptance of the whole church and an entrance into dialogue with the Orthodox, Catholic, and other Protestant bodies” (Ancient-Future Faith, 1999, p. 89). The fact is that the “early Fathers” were mostly heretics! This term refers to various church leaders of the first few centuries after the apostles whose writings have been preserved. The only genuine “church fathers” are the apostles and prophets their writings that were given by divine inspiration and recorded in the Holy Scripture. They gave us the “faith ONCE delivered to the saints” (Jude 3). The faith they delivered is able to make us “perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works” (2 Timothy 3:16-17). We don’t need anything beyond the Bible. The teaching of the “church fathers” does not contain one jot or tittle of divine revelation. The term “church fathers” is a misnomer that was derived from the Catholic Church’s false doctrine of hierarchical church polity. These men were not “fathers” of the church in any scriptural sense and did not have any divine authority. They were merely church leaders from various places who have left a record of their faith in writing. But the Roman Catholic Church exalted men to authority beyond the bounds designated by Scripture, making them “fathers” over the churches located within entire regions and over the churches of the whole world. The “church fathers” are grouped into four divisions: Apostolic Fathers (second century), Ante-Nicene Fathers (second and third centuries), Nicene Fathers (fourth century), and Post-Nicene Fathers (fifth century). Nicene refers to the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325 that dealt with the issue of Arianism and affirmed the doctrine of Christ’s deity. Thus, the Ante-Nicene Fathers are so named because they lived in the century before this council, and the Post-Nicene, because they lived in the century following the council. All of the “church fathers” were infected with some false doctrine, and most of them were seriously infected. Even the so-called Apostolic Fathers of the second century were teaching the false gospel that baptism, celibacy, and martyrdom provided forgiveness of sin (Howard Vos, Exploring Church History, p. 12). And of the later “fathers”--Clement, Origen, Cyril, Jerome, Ambrose, Augustine, Theodore, and John Chrysostom--the same historian admits: “In their lives and teachings we find the seed plot of almost all that arose later. In germ form appear the dogmas of purgatory, transubstantiation, priestly mediation, baptismal regeneration, and the whole sacramental system” (Vos, p. 25). In fact, one of the Post-Nicene “fathers” is Leo, the first Roman Catholic “pope”! Therefore, the “church fathers” are actually the fathers of the Roman Catholic Church. They are the men who laid the foundation of apostasy that produced Romanism and Greek Orthodoxy. The New Testament Scriptures warns frequently that there would be an apostasy, a turning from the faith among professing Christians. The apostles and prophets warned said this apostasy had already begun in their day and warned that it would increase as the time of Christ’s return draws nearer. Paul testified of this in many places, giving us a glimpse into the vicious assault that was already plaguing the work of God. Consider his last message to the pastors at Ephesus (Acts 20:29-30). Paul warned them that false teachers would come from without and would also arise from within their own ranks. Consider his second epistle to Corinth (2 Cor. 11:1-4, 12-15). The false teachers who were active at Corinth were corrupting three of the cardinal doctrines of the New Testament faith, the doctrine of Christ, Salvation, and the Holy Spirit; and the churches were in danger of being overthrown by these errors. Consider Paul’s warnings to Timothy in 1 Timothy 4:1-6 and 2 Timothy 3:1-13 and 4:3-4. Peter devoted the entire second chapter of his second epistle to this theme. He warned in verse one that there would be false teachers who hold “damnable heresies,” referring to heresies that damn the soul to eternal hell. If someone denies, for example, the Virgin Birth, Deity, Humanity, Sinlessness, Eternality, Atonement, or Resurrection of Jesus Christ he cannot be saved. Heresies pertaining to such matters are damnable heresies. The corruption of the “doctrine of Christ” results in a “false christ.” John gave similar warnings in his epistles (1 John 2:18, 19, 22; 4:1-3; 2 John 7-11). In addressing the seven churches in Revelation 2-3, the Lord Jesus Christ warned that many of the apostolic churches were already weak and were under severe stress from heretical attacks (Rev. 2:6, 14-15, 20-24; 3:2, 15-17). Thus the New Testament faith was being attacked on every hand in the days of the apostles by Gnosticism, Judaism, Nicolaitanism, and other heresies. And the apostles and prophets warned that this apostasy would increase. Paul said, “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived” (2 Timothy 3:13). This describes the course of the church age in terms of the spread of heresy! Therefore it is not surprising to find doctrinal error rampant among the churches even in the early centuries. Further, we only have a very partial record of the early centuries and the surviving writings have been heavily filtered by Rome. The Roman Catholic Church was in power for a full millennium and its Inquisition reached to the farthest corners of Europe and beyond. Rome did everything in its power to destroy the writings of those who differed with her. Consider the Waldenses. These were Bible-believing Christians who lived in northern Italy and southern France and elsewhere during the Dark Ages and were viciously persecuted by Rome for centuries. Though we know that the Waldenses have a history that begins in the 11th century if not before, their historical record was almost completely destroyed by Rome. Only a handful of Waldensian writings were preserved from all of those centuries. It is not surprising, therefore, that the extant writings from the early centuries are ones that are sympathetic to Rome’s doctrines. This does not prove that most of the churches then held to Roman Catholic doctrine. It proves only that those writings sympathetic to Rome were allowed to survive. We know that there were many churches in existence in those early centuries that did not agree with Roman doctrine, because they were persecuted by the Romanists and are mentioned in the writings of the “church fathers.”

The Bishop of Smegma

The idea of forgeries is not held beyond Jehovah's Witnesses. Most historians have moved on from that hypothesis.

@@7p396 The ones that move on are doing so because they want to hide the truth. They present a one-sided view of the fathers.